Realignment talk not going away

[JFKFC 4878]

43 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Nebraska was able to recruit nationally before, not sure what happened.

Nebraska's titles were based on partial-qualifiers & kids that had been kicked out of reputable universities for violent felonies. 

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11 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

Nebraska's titles were based on partial-qualifiers & kids that had been kicked out of reputable universities for violent felonies. 

They learned from zero u after being pushed around for decades.  

[Aqua Buddha 14488]

12 hours ago, BevoSwag said:

Has there been a bigger disaster for any teams looking for greener pastures?  Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Arkansas and aggy?  No way Colorado even followed the money.  They lost money.  Nebraska, Missouri and Arkansas added funds but at what price?  

Their battered spouse fan base will say "SECSECSEC money" but ask them when they got their personal SEC check.  Those programs are completely irrelevant.

[ButtFumble 5158]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

childish response by a commissioner in way over his head

yea remember when the Big 10 was the conference that kept their shit in house more than anyone

remember when adding Nebraska came out of the blue and then same with Rutgers and Maryland (never mind how any of those decisions were long term) but that shit came out of left field and pretty much no one expected it

remember the perlman story where they kept shit under tight wraps while Nebraska was running around with perlman shoving the Missouri chancellor aside to blow all the Big 10 presidents and ADs under the table and cock block MU (I still go with the idea that the Big 10 thinks it was MU that got their expansion leaked to Nebraska to start it all off and that is why MU was shoved aside and forgotten by the Big 10 because the Big 10 did not want to deal with a program that leaks shit)

on a NU forum (or it might have even been the tOSU forum) someone was commenting on that reaction by the Big 10 commissioner and how fucked up it is and saying that if it was Deleany he would have just called the leadership of NU and cussed them out for about 10 minutes straight and hung up and that would have been that story over

now the Big 10 commissioner is leading the charge of the Big 10 shitting on NU along with ESPN and all their mouth breathers

Edited August 13, 2020 by ButtFumble

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1 hour ago, JFKFC said:

Nebraska's titles were based on partial-qualifiers & kids that had been kicked out of reputable universities for violent felonies. 

 Plus iffy scheduling, no playoffs, and the moronic & systemically corrupt poll system.

[camel at sea 589]

15 hours ago, ButtFumble said:

besides the finances and a somewhat bigger fan base brought about by being the only P5 team in the state the rest is just bullshit and just a surly attempt to shit in a Big 12 member because "shit on the Big 12" is a thing to do around here

since Arkansas joined the SEC SEC SEC and played their first season in 1992 they have been ranked 5 times: in 1998 (16/17), 1999 (17/19), 2006 (15/16), 2010 (12/12), 2011 (5/5)

so they have not been ranked in 8 years after Stoerner put the ball against the ground and took a sac for it against Tennessee and blew a chance to play for it all then their fuck face fans got in on Nutter and they have been in the shitter since

if you only go back to 1996 with OkState in the Big 12 they have been ranked 9 times: 1997 (24/24), 2008 (18/16), 2009 (25/-), 2010 (10/13), 2011 (3/3), 2013 (17/17), 2015 (19/20), 2016 (11/11), 2017 (14/14)

if you want to cut it to 8 times because of 2009 that is still a lot better than Arkansas and especially a lot better as of late....OkStare manages to keep a coach even with a lot of heat on him while Arkansas churns through one fuck face after another and could not even get a name coach to consider them last time around and had to hire a position coach because "the players like him"

OkState has had 6 losing seasons while in the Big 12 the last one being in 2005 (4-7) and before that 2001 (4-7).....OkState is 10-8 in bowl games in the Big 12

Arkansas has had 3 losing seasons in a row their last 3 seasons 4-8, 2-10, 2-10 and 12 losing seasons total in the SEC SEC SEC......Arkansas is 6-9 in 15 bowl games in the SEC SEC SEC

OkStste has won the Big 12 Arkansas has never won the SEC SEC SEC

at some point being CLEARLY a much shitter team over 28 seasons you kind of have to give up on the idea of "tradition" and you have to realize that SEC SEC SEC money is not buying you wins even with a schedule that gives you 4 OOC games a year

OkState has done much better and taken much more advantage of their place in the Big 12 than Arkansas that has gone from being a leader of the SWC to the very end to a team that could at least win their division and come close to winning the conference to a team that chalks up Ls and finishes in the lower half of their division while churning through coaches and all of that fan cash while talking about "tradition" in a conference they left almost 30 years ago

 

OkState might be fucking up their basketball right now, but Arkansas has fucked theirs up even worse in the SEC SEC SEC and OkState has a lot better recent record in the NCAAs in the Big 12 than Arkansas in the SEC SEC SEC and that leaves Baseball where Arkansas is clearly doing better (while pulling a "Gundy" in the CWS) two years ago

Somewhere in here I think you missed the point.

I wasn't dumping on the Pokes.  They're out-performing Arkansas in football for the last 15 years despite fewer resources, very similar geography, and less history.  The big difference is that one of them is in a conference that is a good fit (the Big 12) and the other is in a bad fit (the SEC.)  The conference fit outweighs all of Arkansas's other advantages. 

Thirty years for Arkansas in the SEC is a large enough sample size to look at their situation fairly.  Before they moved to the SEC, they were a better version of what Oklahoma State is now.  In 1989, you could make a good argument that the Hogs were on par, from a prestige standpoint, with programs like Georgia.  

[Jack Wilson 313]

44 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

 Plus iffy scheduling, no playoffs, and the moronic & systemically corrupt poll system.

Plus, Tom Osborne was a warlock. How the hell they missed him at Salem, I'll never know.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

 

[Jhawk 1075]

Honestly... I'd take NU back if we could get CU back as well.  Texas and OU have gotten what they wanted out of the other pawns in the conference.  NU can't bitch about it now.  Let them back in and let's get to 12.  But Fuck Aggie and MU.

['stache 21743]

50 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

 

[JFKFC 4878]

https://vault.si.com/vault/1995/09/25/coach-and-jury-nebraska-players-charged-with-crimes-have-a-steadfast-ally-in-the-man-who-runs-the-program-tom-osborne

 

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"I don't tell Tom Osborne how to run the football department,"
Lancaster County Attorney Gary Lacey says, "and he should stay
out of the criminal justice system. He hasn't done that at all."
According to Lacey, Osborne has taken it upon himself to
interview witnesses in criminal cases, offered very public
opinions on the probable innocence of players who have yet to
stand trial and attacked the credibility of witnesses testifying
against his players. In January 1994 he and an assistant even
locked away a gun that had allegedly been used by one of his
players in the commission of a felony.

 

[ButtFumble 5158]

4 hours ago, camel at sea said:

Somewhere in here I think you missed the point.

I wasn't dumping on the Pokes.  They're out-performing Arkansas in football for the last 15 years despite fewer resources, very similar geography, and less history.  The big difference is that one of them is in a conference that is a good fit (the Big 12) and the other is in a bad fit (the SEC.)  The conference fit outweighs all of Arkansas's other advantages. 

Thirty years for Arkansas in the SEC is a large enough sample size to look at their situation fairly.  Before they moved to the SEC, they were a better version of what Oklahoma State is now.  In 1989, you could make a good argument that the Hogs were on par, from a prestige standpoint, with programs like Georgia.  

 

I see what you are saying now and I gagree

[BevoSwag 272]

My final comment on Nebraska.  They are sinking.  Let them drown.  No Big12 life preserver.  

[kopp0e 1135]

4 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Honestly... I'd take NU back if we could get CU back as well.  Texas and OU have gotten what they wanted out of the other pawns in the conference.  NU can't bitch about it now.  Let them back in and let's get to 12.  But Fuck Aggie and MU.

Man, you got it...

What if XII can toss West Virginia to ACC/ (dump Baylor, under the guise of "reforming a league) & you have a solid core of 8 brands...

XII then adds Nebraska from B1G, Colorado/ Utah/ Arizona/ Arizona State/ Utah/ USC & UCLA from PAC, & "XVI" is on par with SEC...

[Valmy77 13092]

2 hours ago, BevoSwag said:

My final comment on Nebraska.  They are sinking.  Let them drown.  No Big12 life preserver.  

If they come hat in hand that is one thing.

But that is not going to happen.

[Jhawk 1075]

14 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

If they come hat in hand that is one thing.

But that is not going to happen.

Correct.  My business partner said NU would be playing regardless of any other team playing.  He said this back in June.  NU fans don't live in reality.  But damn... they have to think that a $300M loss for the city/school is so large that maybe they'll figure out a way to be humble.  That being said, even if they get the boot from the big10 conference change doesn't happen over night and getting them into the big12 this year isn't going to happen.  By next year this will all be over.  Seems like a lot of people are panicking and making a bigger deal of this than what it is.  No one is going anywhere.

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On 8/12/2020 at 1:41 PM, Valmy77 said:

Arky will never leave the SEC.

fayettenam to/from their designated rival in redstick is 9 hours, with 2 options:

 

nam to/from pinebluff (through littlerock): 3 hours

pinebluff to/from lsu on 2-lane federal: 6 hours

OR

via ft. smith, mena and texarkana with a 140-mile 2-lane segment on hard-drivin' slow-goin' mountain federal with stoplights: 2 hours 45 minutes

the other 6:15 on 4-lane

 

either way a 9-hour drive to their biggest rival.  by playing aggy at the deathstar they save 5 hours roundtrip every other year in exchange for a weekend in north texas every year.

 

third-closest opponent is Oxford which is 6 hours each way

 

++++++

nam to:

tcu same as deathstar 5.5 hours

baylor 7 hours

norman 4 hours

stillwater 3 hours

manhattan 5 hours

lawrence 4 hours

 

+++++++

the sec penalty for pig on the road is 2-3 games every year that are 2x distance/time roundtrip

 

i still hate them, but they didn't do what aggy did and what corn did on the way out.

missouri want b1g and has for 100 years, and they were bitchass too, but i would take them over corn which would give pig another 5-hour game and reunite mizzou with kansas

 

 

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

On 8/12/2020 at 7:41 PM, utee94 said:

I'll say it a lot faster-- Arkansas sucks.

But, I still remember them as a rival and would be cool with having them back.  Not gonna happen, but I'd be cool with it.

they may suck, but they didn't shit on us on the way out the door like corn and aggy.  they are welcome back.

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

On 8/12/2020 at 8:51 PM, TexasBeta said:

I want a crack at Colorado again after the Simms debacle.

70-3 didn't do it for you?

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

On 8/12/2020 at 9:15 PM, Win5002 said:

 Does anyone hang banners for being in the league with the highest tv revenue?  

Yes.

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

On 8/13/2020 at 11:11 AM, JFKFC said:

Nebraska's titles were based on partial-qualifiers & kids that had been kicked out of reputable universities for violent felonies. 

prototype for rapelor, pedder, vaginal adjustment state, etc.

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On 8/13/2020 at 11:46 AM, ButtFumble said:

yea remember when the Big 10 was the conference that kept their shit in house more than anyone

remember when adding Nebraska came out of the blue and then same with Rutgers and Maryland (never mind how any of those decisions were long term) but that shit came out of left field and pretty much no one expected it

remember the perlman story where they kept shit under tight wraps while Nebraska was running around with perlman shoving the Missouri chancellor aside to blow all the Big 10 presidents and ADs under the table and cock block MU (I still go with the idea that the Big 10 thinks it was MU that got their expansion leaked to Nebraska to start it all off and that is why MU was shoved aside and forgotten by the Big 10 because the Big 10 did not want to deal with a program that leaks shit)

on a NU forum (or it might have even been the tOSU forum) someone was commenting on that reaction by the Big 10 commissioner and how fucked up it is and saying that if it was Deleany he would have just called the leadership of NU and cussed them out for about 10 minutes straight and hung up and that would have been that story over

now the Big 10 commissioner is leading the charge of the Big 10 shitting on NU along with ESPN and all their mouth breathers

all all of that is tremendous.  fantastic.  they're showing their personality.

[Longboard Horn 40069]

Hell no to this 

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/what-might-an-ideal-realignment-look-like

[kopp0e 1135]

21 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

they may suck, but they didn't shit on us on the way out the door like corn and aggy.  they are welcome back.

The Razorbacks don't sound too happy with the "random selection" of SEC scheduling:

 

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

10 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

Hell no to this 

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/what-might-an-ideal-realignment-look-like

aggy still has 90 years to run on their sentencing.  forcing domer in to the b1g, something neither party wants, is the lynchpin of that plan.

put aggy in the sam houston's southwest conference spot and i'm in.

other schools getting fucked: utah, vandy, tcu

[Texas73 420]

3 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

they may suck, but they didn't shit on us on the way out the door like corn and aggy.  they are welcome back.

Arky thought us and aggy were joining them in a couple of years. 

[utee94 15742]

5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

they may suck, but they didn't shit on us on the way out the door like corn and aggy.  they are welcome back.

Nah, of course they didn't shit on us.  We were supposed to go with them.  Royal and Broyles had been laying the groundwork for years.  The big surprise to Arkansas, is that we DIDN'T go with them.  The Texas legislature had a hand in that.

 

 

[BevoSwag 272]

@utee94  A little history refresher.  Back in the day Arkansas's biggest rival was Ole Miss.  Frank Broyles arrived in Fayetteville in 1958.  He surmised that Texas would never be the Hog fans biggest rival as long as Ole Miss was on the schedule.  He took a lot of heat when he dropped Ole Miss from their future schedules.  I never really knew if Royal was interested in the SEC but for certain Arkansas left feeling certain aggy and the Horns would follow.  

Broyles was unhappy with the private schools at that time (SMU on Death Penalty, Baylor, Rice and TCU) because of their lack of a fan base and low attendance.  He wanted to play in a conference dominated by state universities.

I miss Arkansas simply because it was always fun to have a huge visiting fan base to taunt and exchange shit with every year.  Basketball too.  In Royal's best years the back to back game schedule with zero U and Arkansas the following week were killers but he usually won both.  

   

[S11 16]

On 8/13/2020 at 9:28 AM, conVINCEd said:

Academic standards.

1- That didn’t help so while there is some truth to it it wasn’t so much their recruiting that won big it was...

 

2- Player development was a huge edge and others eventually caught up to their strength and conditioning advantage.   Now everyone was able to take high upside low stars and develop them and the days of Tennessee’s safety saying “we were the same height and weight but Nebraska was BIGGER than we were” were over.

 

3- That hurt and many DC’s like Snyder’s tree (Stoops/Venables/Leavitt) found a way to slow that unique offense and like everyone the defense had to adjust to the spread era.   The ways they recruited specialists who fit the system worked well until the system got stuffed more effectively.

 

4- Finally seeing more teams effectively matching TV exposure than previously had and more regional competition for prized recruits in NJ/FL and to a much lesser extent missouri took a toll.

[S11 16]

On 8/13/2020 at 2:14 PM, Jhawk said:

Honestly... I'd take NU back if we could get CU back as well.  Texas and OU have gotten what they wanted out of the other pawns in the conference.  NU can't bitch about it now.  Let them back in and let's get to 12.  But Fuck Aggie and MU.

I’d take them back even without CU.  It’d be nice to have that mutual rivalry back but NU is big enough they don’t need CU to rejoin.

NU left with seven of the 12 schools looking around to the only logical landing spot for them.  Understandable move despite the hostile pr and fan reactions towards the Big 12 and UT.

 

[Thiefery 4960]

6 hours ago, S11 said:

I’d take them back even without CU.  It’d be nice to have that mutual rivalry back but NU is big enough they don’t need CU to rejoin.

NU left with seven of the 12 schools looking around to the only logical landing spot for them.  Understandable move despite the hostile pr and fan reactions towards the Big 12 and UT.

 

Nebraska is cool again?

 

[camel at sea 589]

A lot of the fissures in the Big 12 were personality driven.  Osborne and Dodds didn't seem to get along all that well.  But most of the divisiveness was overblown PR to justify the change.   Get the Huskers an annual game with OU again, the Friday after Thanksgiving, and their cranky old BMDs would be pretty happy.  

It doesn't really matter whether or not they are ever 1990s Nebraska again.  If they are our post-2000 Wisconsin that would work out just fine, too.   

 

[Caddox 952]

I spent several rounds on the Texas Exes board as a young guy. We always tried (mostly unsuccessfully) to engage Texas alums serving in our state government. However, I am family friends with two lower state politicians, and ive had good drunken conversations with them about realignment. They both agree that realignment will never happen on the state legislative level, as we are certainly married to both Tech and Baylor. But they felt our relationship with ESPN could be enough to make an economic case that doesn’t brush against state politics. Basically, we will be able to argue that our regents fiduciary obligations to the UT system give us legal and political cover to enter into a new contract that represents a reasonable increase in revenue. 

[BevoSwag 272]

@Caddox  I'd be surprised if the Networks have any spare change lying around this year.  

[closetohumping 17380]

54 minutes ago, Caddox said:

I spent several rounds on the Texas Exes board as a young guy. We always tried (mostly unsuccessfully) to engage Texas alums serving in our state government. However, I am family friends with two lower state politicians, and ive had good drunken conversations with them about realignment. They both agree that realignment will never happen on the state legislative level, as we are certainly married to both Tech and Baylor. But they felt our relationship with ESPN could be enough to make an economic case that doesn’t brush against state politics. Basically, we will be able to argue that our regents fiduciary obligations to the UT system give us legal and political cover to enter into a new contract that represents a reasonable increase in revenue. 

So we’re married to a rapist and a drunk with the herp?   Great

[Caddox 952]

I think the grant of rights is lock tight. But Covid is the ultimate example of how quickly things can change. If schools want out of this system, new arrangements will be formed. I don’t know what that looks like and I’m fearful of any change, but I feel confident that the NCAA is going the way of the dodo bird. 

[tonedeaf 56]

9 hours ago, Caddox said:

I spent several rounds on the Texas Exes board as a young guy. We always tried (mostly unsuccessfully) to engage Texas alums serving in our state government. However, I am family friends with two lower state politicians, and ive had good drunken conversations with them about realignment. They both agree that realignment will never happen on the state legislative level, as we are certainly married to both Tech and Baylor. But they felt our relationship with ESPN could be enough to make an economic case that doesn’t brush against state politics. Basically, we will be able to argue that our regents fiduciary obligations to the UT system give us legal and political cover to enter into a new contract that represents a reasonable increase in revenue. 

They let aggy go.  Your post makes me sad.  baylor is a POS we should not be associated with. 

[notre dame joe 172]

16 hours ago, tonedeaf said:

They let aggy go.  Your post makes me sad.  baylor is a POS we should not be associated with. 

username checks out

[tonedeaf 56]

On 8/16/2020 at 11:13 PM, notre dame joe said:

username checks out

????  Explain please!

['stache 21743]

On 8/14/2020 at 4:24 PM, Texas73 said:

Arky thought us and aggy were joining them in a couple of years. 

Man if only the merger could have happened then. We could’ve had arky instead of Baylor. Would have been a perfect fit.

[TrashMaster G 17379]

On 8/15/2020 at 10:33 PM, closetohumping said:

So we’re married to a rapist and a drunk with the herp?   Great

Lord, can we please but a bullet into the brain of the rapist?

Edited August 20, 2020 by TrashMaster G

[Al_4_ISU 12408]

On 8/14/2020 at 1:12 PM, Longboard Horn said:

Hell no to this 

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/what-might-an-ideal-realignment-look-like

Oh fuck that into oblivion.

The author of the piece says "Iowa State has no business being in the Big 12 for geographic reasons".  Holy shit.  Can he read a map?  Does he think Iowa and Ohio are the same thing?  Good fucking God.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Al_4_ISU

[kopp0e 1135]

Drop Baylor, under the premise of "its a private school"/ West Virginia is placed in ACC...

And XII regains Nebraska, & Colorado, that's 10 members, XII also adds 6 PAC brands...

Edited August 20, 2020 by kopp0e

[kopp0e 1135]

I think if the chips fall right, XII can add both Colorado & Nebraska back from the "jv" season fiasco...

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by kopp0e

[horngasm2020 116]

I will never forget the smug nebraska fans at sholz pre-game in 99. every last one of them were so arrogant thinking they would destroy us. I never want those pieces of shit on our campus again.

[kopp0e 1135]

In a reconfigured XVI league, there is a lot of history between the teams in former conferences:

In this setup: 7 former Big8 brands/ 4 former SWC brands/ 3 former WAC brands/ 4 former Pac8 brands/ 7 current XII brands/ 8 current PAC & 1 current B1G brand...
And that is not to say that former XII brands Colorado doesn't have a longer history in XII than PAC as well as a school can be "replaced" to keep TCU in the XVI fold...

[kopp0e 1135]

 Right now, the focus should be for XII to (re)gain a pissed-off Nebraska program, that has been shown its value by not "tv execs", but B1G fans & alumni, as nada...
But, to get Nebraska, XII needs to bring something that makes it look like: "p.r. win" for the Huskers, as NU won't come back to XII as is, hat in hand, needs selling...

For Nebraska to tell fans, "Hey we're going back to a new & untouchable XII that's adding Colorado in division, with Oklahoma & Texas" would be enough for most...
But to also say "Nebraska will have cross-divisional tilt vs: Washington/ Oregon/ California/ UCLA/ USC/ Arizona/ Arizona State & Utah" would be a "NU home run"...
 

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Big 12 expansion: Oral history of Big 8-SWC merger - Sports ...

www.si.com › College › College Football
Aug 16, 2016 - 31, Joe Castiglione, Missouri athletic director from 1993–98, Oklahoma athletic director from 1998-present: I don't ever remember having any feeling cross my mind of instability or being left behind. [The conference was] in the midst of celebrating a great run of success, and seeing the world outside us evolve, we were concerned that if we weren't proactive in addressing these opportunities, that we could find ourselves in a position where we weren't able to support the programs that we sponsored like we had been.

Dodds: It was a lot about television marketplace and our lack of it in the Southwest Conference. We had a lot of conversation internally about that on our staff, and then we reached out to Donnie Duncan, the AD at Oklahoma, because we saw the Big Eight in the same situation, not enough TV sets. Donnie was very open to talking about it. I think [the Big Eight was] pretty happy with [its] situation, and Donnie helped paint the picture of the future, and once everybody figured that out, it was evident that something had to be done.

Kansas State coach Bill Snyder, to reporters in August 1990: Everybody's looking for TV sets, and the last I heard, there are a bunch of them running around in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and a whole bunch of them in Houston. They've got a few in Kansas City.

Castiglione: We even had a very good television deal for our conference and were comfortable with it as it stood for that period of time. Status quo wasn't going to be possible, and that's where we had concerns. It took a while to get everybody on board to understand that because we were in the midst of a great deal of success, and some people thought, why are we trying to do anything different?

Big Eight CEOs, in a statement on Sept. 27, 1990: We believe meaningful cooperation with the Southwest Conference has the potential for the mutual benefit of both conferences. With this in mind, we recommend that the presidents from the two conferences confer with the two conference commissioners on subjects of mutual interest: television, scheduling of contests, and other items of mutual interest.

Chuck Neinas, Big Eight commissioner from 1971–80, executive director of the CFA from 1980–97: ESPN did not want all the members. They wanted eight from the Big Eight and they'd take four from the Southwest Conference. Obviously, the two they wanted most were Texas and Texas A&M. I received a call from Loren Matthews, who was a key executive with ESPN with whom I had developed a good relationship. And Loren told me, he said, "Here's my problem. We want the Big Eight, but we don't want all of the Southwest Conference." I said, "Well, just let me make some phone calls, and I'm sure they'll get back to you." So I called DeLoss Dodds at Texas, Donnie Duncan at Oklahoma and Bill Byrne at Nebraska, and the rest is history.

Castiglione: It was our impression that the four institutions from the Southwest Conference would be Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Houston.

Cunningham: A&M and Texas were easy, and Texas Tech had the third-best attendance. Then we came down to the fourth school, and that was Baylor versus TCU. When you really looked at the hard data, Baylor was the better choice. They had better attendance and better records. When I called the Baylor president, he was not in, and I spoke with his wife. His wife told me that he was at a prayer meeting, and I said, "I now believe in prayer more than ever."



On Feb. 25, 1994, the new conference was announced, with play to begin in the fall of 1996. The news was met with a certain amount of shock; the conference landscape would never be the same, and television rights were officially crowned king. "Look for Kazakhstan to join the ACC," NBC Sports vice president Ed Markey told USA Today on the day of the announcement. "And Belarus may be on the fence between the Southwest Conference and a football-only Big East deal."...

 

If looking at this from the lens of when ESPN poached BigEast for it's prized jewels (in 2 raids) an objective was what needs to make Miami happy enough to move...
Just as USC would want something to sell fans that says "hey, we are keeping majority of old rivals in this move" so as to not look meek - "PAC is dead, no choice"...

When ESPN pulled Miami to ACC, the 1st adds were: Virginia Tech/ Boston College, and, I'd argue the pair is similar to USC wanting to keep Oregon/ Washington...
When #ACCStrikesBack in the 2nd raid, it was for Syracuse (who ACC wanted at 1st) & Pittsburgh, who we could argue as at least on par with California & UCLA...

And this can compare the last move (not discounting the wonderful move of adding 62.5% of Notre Dame football #OnlyShowInTheMidwest this year) to Louisville...
When ACC added Cardinals, a land bridge from Notre Dame to rest of ACC (notably Virginia & North Carolina) formed, Arizona/ Arizona State/ Utah do similar too...

In this situation, ESPN would place Kansas State & Oklahoma State in SEC, then "XVI v SEC" end of year games could be similar to "ACC v SEC" end of year tilts..
 

 

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Nebraska v Kansas State/ Oklahoma v Oklahoma State/ Texas v Texas A&M/ TCU v Arkansas. games that follow of traditional ACC v SEC tilts, on ESPN networks...
Kentucky v Louisville/ Clemson v South Carolina/ Georgia v Georgia Tech/ Florida v Florida State games that would air before the western foes on ESPN channels...



On a side note I see another similarity, a ACC has created a consortium for research just as in B1G, I've said same is possible in XII raiding PAC (all AAU -1 team)...

Edited August 24, 2020 by kopp0e

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Pac-12 headquarters cuts staff in half in the aftermath of shutting down football for the 2020 season

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Faced with a massive decline in revenue in the aftermath of shuttering the 2020 football season, the Pac-12 on Wednesday reduced its workforce by approximately 50 percent across the conference and networks divisions — at least for the time being.

The networks, which have no live events to broadcast until next year, were hit with 66 furloughs and 10 layoffs, in addition to dozens of open positions that have been forfeited.

The conference side lost 13 employees to furloughs and five to layoffs.

All told, Pac-12 headquarters went from 190 full-time employees to a remaining staff of 96.

The furloughs begin in early September and are for three months, allowing time for the vacant positions to be filled if competition resume in early 2021.

Two weeks ago, the presidents and chancellors postponed all fall and winter sports until at least Jan. 1.

“We greatly value the contributions of all of our team members and understand the important role that each of you plays in our organization,” commissioner Larry Scott wrote in a staff memo obtained by the Hotline, which has been published in full below.

“At the same time with sport competitions postponed for the months to come, and without a certain return date, we
made this difficult decision to address our financial reality and to align with the approach being taken by most of our campuses.

“Given the current outlook, we can only keep on the number of staff necessary to carry out critical duties required at this moment for our members, student-athletes and organization.”

As with the budget cuts reported on the Hotline two months ago, this round of downsizing is designed to track with expense reduction measures unfolding on the campuses.

Athletic departments across the conference are expected to implement significant layoffs, furloughs, salary reductions or all three.

Some, like Oregon State and Washington, have already done so, while others have not finalized or announced plans.

All hope to avoid eliminating the Olympic sports teams whose budgets depend on football revenue.

The moves made Wednesday at conference headquarters are the latest attempt to stabilize the Pac-12 Networks’ budget.

In the spring, the Pac-12 announced an eight percent reduction in the networks’ workforce and salary reductions for executives that have been extended through the 2020-21 school year.

The pay cuts are for conference and networks staffers earning more than $100,000 annually and range from a low of five percent to a high of 12 percent for Scott, who is the top-paid commissioner in college sports at $5.4 million annually.

In the latest reporting period (fiscal year 2019), the Pac-12 Networks generated $123.4 million in revenue against $90.3 million in expenses, resulting in distributions of about $2.75 million per campus.

Without football, the budget outlook is bleak — not only for the networks but the conference as a whole.

Of the $530 million in revenue generated by the Pac-12 in FY19, more than $400 million flowed from regular-season football broadcasts and the major postseason games (the Rose Bowl and College Football Playoff).

The outlook for the budget in the 2020-21 cycle depends largely on the conference producing a football season in the winter or spring — an unprecedented feat that depends, to a large extent, on the Covid-19 situation.

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Jfc, what?  The B1G has to be happy the PAC is making them look good there.