Realignment talk not going away

[tonedeaf 56]

On 1/23/2021 at 8:43 PM, Somnio said:

A resurrected Big 12 but with Arkansas in place of aggy seems like it would not suck.  It'll probably never happen, but it seems like about the best situation I could envision.

 

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

 

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

 

 

Replace baylor with, well, anybody, and I'm okay with this.  Probably won't happen, but I would like it. 

[General Specific 3231]

If I remember correctly, the talk was always of Texas joining the PAC as those schools lined up best academically.  I believe that plays a larger part than what fans realize. OU isn’t leaving without Okie St, so there would need to be one additional school.  I’d say Baylor fits that best at the moment now that eATMe flew the coop.  

With the PAC not doing as well, perhaps this would be an opportunity to negotiate with better leverage. I don’t think the Longhorn Network would be the hanging point it was the last time realignment was being talked about. 
 
A PAC-16 (or rename it to something more fitting and get rid of the stupid number in the name) divined in east-west divisions.  East being comprised of Texas, OU, Okie St, Baylor, Ariz, Ariz St, Colorado, and Utah.
Who knows, still have around 3 years to figure it out. 

Baylor in the PAC! lololololololololololololololololololololololol

End of the entire universe will happen first!

[General Specific 3231]

Is this the new “Urban to Texas” thread?

Where’s the usual suspects and subjects?

Anybody ask Futureman his position, fist in or out?

[JWinTX 53]

I still like the idea of the Pac-12 getting the best of the Big XII and becoming the Pac-18. You get three time zones to have at your control. UT/Tech, OU/OSU, KU/ISU make up a division where everyone plays each other annually. Keep the current Pac-12 divisions as is. Each division plays 2 teams from the other two divisions, so you have 9 conference games. No kickoff after 7pm CST or before noon PST. Then, for football, the two best division winners play each other for the conference title.

In hoops, each divisional team plays each other twice, then play the other 12 teams once for a 22 game conference schedule. 

[closetojumping 62141]

9 hours ago, General Specific said:

Is this the new “Urban to Texas” thread?

Where’s the usual suspects and subjects?

Anybody ask Futureman his position, fist in or out?

You’ve misread the landscape on this one, my man. 

This thread is the Surly version of the Island of Misfit Toys. These people have been fantasizing about realignment since before Dodds shit himself and granted the tv rights of Texas to the Big 12 conference. I mean, the fantasies here asymptote simultaneously towards infinite and insane, so they’re crossing dimensions. 

I was entertained and participating on the Shaggy version of this thread until the bloody, wet fart of the outcome of the prior realignment period. Quit on it after than and began clicking on this one over the past few months, recognizing that something has to be happening in the next year or two if we’re lucky. It’s a very anemic, sad, borderline lunatic thread waiting for real news, any real news. I keep clicking every week or so hoping that something real has happened, only to discover new scenarios in the world of realignment porn. 

[ButtFumble 5158]

11 hours ago, JWinTX said:

I still like the idea of the Pac-12 getting the best of the Big XII and becoming the Pac-18. You get three time zones to have at your control. UT/Tech, OU/OSU, KU/ISU make up a division where everyone plays each other annually. Keep the current Pac-12 divisions as is. Each division plays 2 teams from the other two divisions, so you have 9 conference games. No kickoff after 7pm CST or before noon PST. Then, for football, the two best division winners play each other for the conference title.

In hoops, each divisional team plays each other twice, then play the other 12 teams once for a 22 game conference schedule. 

 

this is a stupid idea

the worst teams in the PAC 12 are flat ass broke compared to the Big 12 and it is only getting worse for them and their ability to compete is going down the drain

next last time I checked if you divide a (shitty) 18 team conference in half that means you have 9 teams in each division.....then you subtract one from that because a team does not play a game against themselves (besides aggy that starts every season 1-0) that leaves 8 games you would play in your division......then if you play two teams from the other division that means you have 10 conference games not 9

nine conference games is a shitty enough idea as it is from a long term conference competitive standpoint so 10 games would suck total cocks and the conference would go to shit immediately

the same is true for playing a totally and completely idiotic 22 game conference basketball schedule......that is a fantastic way to have a conference filled with teams that totally suck ass year in and year out and never become competitive and in fact become less competitive until the conference falls apart

never mind playing 8 conference games against teams that are mostly the same teams you play in the Big 12 (along with some of the least desirable and least financially viable PAC 12 teams like CU and Utah) would be a shit idea just to play the (few) desirable teams in the other division once every 20 years or so

the SEC SEC SEC is a joke as it is with teams not playing but every 12 years or so and it is all the more stupid for an 18 team conference to form and make that worse

the best thing for Texas long term and the Big 12 or any teams in the Big 12 is to let the PAC 12 rot and become less and less competitive and less and less watched instead of clinging to the idiotic idea that the PAC 12 is filled with desirable teams and teams that are not broke, using high academic subsidies (in an area of the country where that is about to come under major attack) and teams that do not have massive athletics debt and debt service and low incomes

here is an article from just 2 days ago with the Oregon student government wanting to end all academic subsidies

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/02/22/u-oregon-student-government-wants-stop-payments-athletics

the article states they are only $5 million per year so there is a good chance that fill knight can give them the $100 million endowment that would cover that each year, but who knows if he will

and there is little chance that Oregon State will get the same, or WSU, or CU, or Utah, or Cal or probably even UCLA.....and with Cal especially I would imagine any money they can scrape up would go towards paying down their $400+ million athletics debt that they have kicked down the road so far

ASU spends $19 million in academic subsidies while AU spends $21 million and Utah and CU spend $12 million each

WSU spends over $4 million, but that does not include annual deficits of over $5 million for the last few years that are suppose to eventually be paid back

Stanford of course has a large endowment for a lot of their Olympic Sports, but they are also about to enter their usual phase of winning 3 to 7 games a year in football for a decade or more it looks like so people need to stop pretending that the last decade of their program reflects how they usually perform on the field because they usually suck cocks

even UCLA showed $108 million in revenues last year with a $4 million subsidy from academics, but they showed $127 million in expenses.....California accounting at it's finest

looking at these numbers this is not a group of schools that Texas wants to join in with all together

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

their dead weight is 3X or 4X the dead weight the weakest Big 12 members are especially when you look at long term debt and debt service (they are far and away the "leader" in that category) and the above numbers....all the more so when you those will be the places that will cut funding sooner than later.....but they can't cut that debt they have built up that is for sure

[Thiefery 4964]

6 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You’ve misread the landscape on this one, my man. 

This thread is the Surly version of the Island of Misfit Toys. These people have been fantasizing about realignment since before Dodds shit himself and granted the tv rights of Texas to the Big 12 conference. I mean, the fantasies here asymptote simultaneously towards infinite and insane, so they’re crossing dimensions. 

I was entertained and participating on the Shaggy version of this thread until the bloody, wet fart of the outcome of the prior realignment period. Quit on it after than and began clicking on this one over the past few months, recognizing that something has to be happening in the next year or two if we’re lucky. It’s a very anemic, sad, borderline lunatic thread waiting for real news, any real news. I keep clicking every week or so hoping that something real has happened, only to discover new scenarios in the world of realignment porn. 

The first big indicator if something will happen is if FOX renews it's tier 3 RSN deal with ou.  PAC really can't add anyone, and they certainly don't look as good as they once did to Dodds.  So as always, it's up to the Big12 to either stick as is, expand, or implode.

[Mileslong 4711]

I cannot believe this effin thread is still going on, it just won’t die...

[Thiefery 4964]

30 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

I cannot believe this effin thread is still going on, it just won’t die...

It will continue since the GORs and current conf deals are expiring soon.. SEC just re-upped their deal.. BiG is next followed by the PAC and Big 12.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

The last round of realignment was stupid, and a further realignment will be even dumber.

Expand the playoffs to 8 and end the dipshittery.

[TrashMaster G 17385]

4 hours ago, Mileslong said:

I cannot believe this effin thread is still going on, it just won’t die...

I have made the comparison that it's like a bunch of 12 year-old boys discussing sex.  Lots of talk, no action and nobody really knows a gotdamm thing.

[General Specific 3231]

I have made the comparison that it's like a bunch of 12 year-old boys discussing sex.  Lots of talk, no action and nobody really knows a gotdamm thing.

Bbbbut, I have a girlfriend. She lives in Canada! /s

[Richard Kimball 1492]

8 minutes ago, General Specific said:

Bbbbut, I have a girlfriend. She lives in Canada! /s

So, you're Manti Te'o?

[TrashMaster G 17385]

6 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:

So, you're Manti Te'o?

No, he's Gary Wallace.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

14 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You’ve misread the landscape on this one, my man. 

This thread is the Surly version of the Island of Misfit Toys. These people have been fantasizing about realignment since before Dodds shit himself and granted the tv rights of Texas to the Big 12 conference. I mean, the fantasies here asymptote simultaneously towards infinite and insane, so they’re crossing dimensions. 

I was entertained and participating on the Shaggy version of this thread until the bloody, wet fart of the outcome of the prior realignment period. Quit on it after than and began clicking on this one over the past few months, recognizing that something has to be happening in the next year or two if we’re lucky. It’s a very anemic, sad, borderline lunatic thread waiting for real news, any real news. I keep clicking every week or so hoping that something real has happened, only to discover new scenarios in the world of realignment porn. 

it might be an elevator full of farts, but MY farts smell like fucking cinnamon rolls

[General Specific 3231]

it might be an elevator full of farts, but MY farts smell like fucking cinnamon rolls

Mine smell like bourbon, bbq and cigars. While I have my boots on, rolling in my F-treefiddy!

[General Specific 3231]

Also, has there been a night crew / day crew established yet, or flight tracking? If no, wake us when the news of conference realignment breaks!

[SimkinsMan 4348]

It's happening....
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/18/hotline-investigation-future-of-pac-12-networks-in-doubt-as-the-sports-media-world-threatens-to-leave-the-conference-behind/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 
https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-should-make-a-move-to-the-big-12-bring-byu-along/

No thanks to Utah and BYU.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5782]

10 minutes ago, SimkinsMan said:

No thanks to Utah and BYU.

Lol I bet the Pac is just beside itself with the thought of Utah leaving 

[SimkinsMan 4348]

15 minutes ago, sportsbay said:

Agreed but once the rats begin to jump, the whole thing will unravel quickly.  The perception of being left out is going to be explosive.  The teams in the mountain and pacific time zones need a way to bridge to the eastern time zone.  It's probably going to happen soon.

Yeah, totally. This was a good find. A destabilized Pac-12 could well fuel the next round of realignment. Where it stops? Who knows. 

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Those are some terrible numbers.  14m subscribers is equivalent to what ESPN claims LHN has.    

Also, if you swapped out the Buffs for BYU, I could get behind that reporters thought of adding LA, AZ, and Utah.  Just a southern band from Kansas to Texas, west to Cali.  

Its going to be all about whatever USC wants though.  If I were the Pac I'd be hiking up my skirt as much as possible to keep them from looking at independence.

[JFKFC 4878]

9 hours ago, sportsbay said:

It's happening....

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/18/hotline-investigation-future-of-pac-12-networks-in-doubt-as-the-sports-media-world-threatens-to-leave-the-conference-behind/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-should-make-a-move-to-the-big-12-bring-byu-along/

We can't beat Iowa State, and they don't even have magic underwear. The BYU QB once ran for 700 yards against us while Manny Diaz took a dump in the water cooler. I had a point when I started this post, but its gone. I've been smoking this weed called 'Brickhouse' and occasionally I lose time. 

[Aqua Buddha 14501]

Saw a story a few weeks back about the Stanford wrestling team.  I'm sure it's out there if I were motived enough to find it.  Basically, Stanford cut a bunch of sports to save money and some fat cat alums rounded up $12M to keep the wrestling team.  Stanford turn them down.  That told me that Stanford is pushing themselves away from the table, which is fine for them.  Between them and Cal, they have more than enough prestige and money that they don't need to a big time athletic department if it means the level of spending that a realignment is going to require.  Some of those other schools out there might also agree.  (Colorado.)

A spending requirement might be a way to dislodge any state ledge blowback in regards to splitting Wazzo and Oregon State away from UW and Oregon.  State level powers that be (if they care) may try to get the secondary schools shoved it but if they're told that those schools will have to bust their budgets, they may push back.  Basically, we'll take UW and Oregon and that's it.  If you insist on the other schools, we'll take neither and UW and Oregon will be left out.  

The only schools out there willing to commit at that level are the Zone schools, USC, UCLA, and UW and Oregon.  That's a 16 team conference and still very workable.

Still wouldn't mind seeing a three team trade of West Virginia to the SEC, Nebraska to the Big 12, and Missouri to the Big 10.  Kinda sucks to see West Virginia go because I like them.  

[n64ra 1076]

I suppose I could handle Utah to the Big 12 if and only if they brought CU back. I enjoyed manhandling the Buffs and would expect Sark to continue that tradition. I'll even take BYU if we can dump WVU to limit the size to 12 teams.

[BigHornedLurker 1894]

Saw a rare interesting post on 247 , does anyone think ESPN could give OU+Texas the ND treatment with the ACC for a semi-independent schedule ? 

This would doom our hangers on as well as let us play more games of our choosing. 

6 ACC Games 

OU 
Rotating In state Texas School 

4 interesting OOC games 

[closetohumping 17386]

Some speculation that CFB could've adopted the now failed Super League model that some teams were pushing for in Europe.

[Hornlover 8824]

On 1/23/2021 at 11:35 PM, Saint Tacky said:

Fuck Missouri. They made their beds. Never.

Missouri is making a return to the Big XII for Wrestling. 

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6987944-missouri-set-to-return-to-the-big-12

[Hurtlocker 2208]

On 4/21/2021 at 11:02 AM, BigHornedLurker said:

Saw a rare interesting post on 247 , does anyone think ESPN could give OU+Texas the ND treatment with the ACC for a semi-independent schedule ? 

This would doom our hangers on as well as let us play more games of our choosing. 

6 ACC Games 

OU 
Rotating In state Texas School 

4 interesting OOC games 

I looked for this article and either my google skills suck or it is buried.   But, I'm not sure what you gain with that.   6+ou+a texas school, is basically one game different than a 9 game conference schedule, where you play multiple Texas schools.   Probably way better off just scheduling FSU/Clemson/ND in OOC games, unless you're saying playing Wake Forest is better than Kansas State, then I'm not sure how to respond.

It works for ND as a place to put all their other sports, they give up five football games a year so basketball and lacrosse have a relatively close home.   With the closest ACC school being about 900 miles away and the furthest 1900, you're shipping a lot of sports a lot of miles unnecessarily.   It likely doesn't bring in more Benjamin's either, the ACC doesn't value well.

If its an extra OOC game that's interesting, expand to 12 and play 8 conference games.  Problem solved.

Edited April 23, 2021 by Hurtlocker

[Tom 2959]

On 4/21/2021 at 10:02 AM, BigHornedLurker said:

Saw a rare interesting post on 247 , does anyone think ESPN could give OU+Texas the ND treatment with the ACC for a semi-independent schedule ? 

This would doom our hangers on as well as let us play more games of our choosing. 

6 ACC Games 

OU 
Rotating In state Texas School 

4 interesting OOC games 

 

No disrespect meant towards you or anyone who lives east and is more exposed to these teams or would like to see Texas play out there more, but I can't think of a worse scenario that's less exciting than Texas ever ending up in the ACC.  

[Texas Wahoo 3383]

13 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

I looked for this article and either my google skills suck or it is buried.   But, I'm not sure what you gain with that.   6+ou+a texas school, is basically one game different than a 9 game conference schedule, where you play multiple Texas schools.   Probably way better off just scheduling FSU/Clemson/ND in OOC games, unless you're saying playing Wake Forest is better than Kansas State, then I'm not sure how to respond.

It works for ND as a place to put all their other sports, they give up five football games a year so basketball and lacrosse have a relatively close home.   With the closest ACC school being about 900 miles away and the furthest 1900, you're shipping a lot of sports a lot of miles unnecessarily.   It likely doesn't bring in more Benjamin's either, the ACC doesn't value well.

If its an extra OOC game that's interesting, expand to 12 and play 8 conference games.  Problem solved.

I will start out by saying this seems extremely unlikely.

 

That being said, if you assume that Tech is the Texas school (it could be A&M or just a rotation of a bunch of schools), then we would be trading:

Baylor, TCU, OSU, Iowa State, West Virginia, KSU, Kansas, and 3 non-conference games

for

Six of (Clemson, Miami, UNC, NC State, BC, Pitt, VaTech, UVA, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, Duke, Syracuse, and maybe Notre Dame) and 4 non-conference games.

 

I would take that trade, but I can understand if people would rather stick with the current group, if only because we have formed a sort of rivalry with all of the Big 12 north schools.

[camel at sea 589]

18 hours ago, Hornlover said:

Missouri is making a return to the Big XII for Wrestling. 

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6987944-missouri-set-to-return-to-the-big-12

The comments on Twitter beneath the announcement were pretty interesting.  There were a lot more "now let's do football and basketball" sentiment coming from Mizzou folks than I would have thought.  

 

 

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

I will start out by saying this seems extremely unlikely.
 
That being said, if you assume that Tech is the Texas school (it could be A&M or just a rotation of a bunch of schools), then we would be trading:
Baylor, TCU, OSU, Iowa State, West Virginia, KSU, Kansas, and 3 non-conference games
for
Six of (Clemson, Miami, UNC, NC State, BC, Pitt, VaTech, UVA, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Louisville, FSU, Duke, Syracuse, and maybe Notre Dame) and 4 non-conference games.
 
I would take that trade, but I can understand if people would rather stick with the current group, if only because we have formed a sort of rivalry with all of the Big 12 north schools.

I would call it a history more than a rivalry


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[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

The comments on Twitter beneath the announcement were pretty interesting.  There were a lot more "now let's do football and basketball" sentiment coming from Mizzou folks than I would have thought.  
 
 

Fuck that and fuck them


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[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

Fuck that and fuck them


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[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

Fuck that and fuck them


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[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

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[closetohumping 17386]

On 4/23/2021 at 6:06 AM, Tom said:

 

No disrespect meant towards you or anyone who lives east and is more exposed to these teams or would like to see Texas play out there more, but I can't think of a worse scenario that's less exciting than Texas ever ending up in the ACC.  

They have some teams with some decent cache.  I wouldn't mind going to play Miami, FSU, Clemson, etc.  Even UNC.

['stache 21744]

I would take Missouri back. We need real programs and to stop considering shit like BYU or Houston. And to be clear I'm not talking about win-loss records I'm talking about history as a P5 team and some success which Missouri has had.

Edited May 19, 2021 by 'stache

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

I'd take back any Big 8 member, but more for geography and history.

[DCLonghorn 244]

I'd prefer the status quo, but that ain't what this thread is about.

A conference with ND, Texas, FSU, and Clemson is more compelling to me than the most of the current Big 12 or any alignment with the PAC. (Assuming we still have the RRR, which is a big if).

UNC would be fun while Mac is there. And we owe some payback to Miami, Syracuse, NCState, Virginia and Virginia Tech for recent-ish history.

We lost to 7 current ACC teams 8 times in the 90s (still bitter). Maybe the ACC is not as bad as we think, at least compared to us. We have a losing record to more ACC teams than we do with any other conference (or tied if you don't count ND). Although we have current scoreboard, barely, on the new ACC with our last win v ND.

More importantly to me, the ACC timezone is 53% of the US population and one hour later than DKR. PAC is 24% and mostly two hours earlier. The eyeballs and the interest are east, not west.

I am a big Astros fan, but live in the Eastern time zone. Since their move to the AL West (still bitter), I rarely watch them anymore, or try and can't stay up. My favorite baseball team became an afterthought in the regular season because they moved three time zones away from me for most of their games.

Obviously I live in ACC country-ish (Big East hoops and Big 10 football have as much claim to DC as the ACC...but it's in the neighborhood), so I'm more familiar/comfortable than folks back home.

And it'd be much easier to integrated LHN with an ESPN conference. If it's still around for the next round of expansion.

I always thought, before ND went half in, that the ACC was holding the last two spots for ND and Texas. Still kinda do think that. While it'd feel culturally weird for a bit, that'd be a power conference in all the big three sports. And not much weirder than the move from SWC to Big 12.

[ButtFumble 5158]

I have said it before and will again there is no need for a ND type setup there is a need for the Big 12 to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that you do not gain strength for the conference by playing more conference games and beating yourselves up

every conference game gives your conference a guaranteed win, but it also GUARANTEES A LOSS as well

every OOC game gives the CHANCE for a win for the conference without the GUARANTEE of a loss as well

also the CCG with a guaranteed rematch is a total shit idea....the CCG is needed both for the cash and the exposure, but the total shit part is the guarantee of a rematch

the Big 12 needs to move to SEVEN conference games with divisions of 5

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, ISU, WVU

OU, OkState, TCU, KSU, KU

with the above division of teams each team plays everyone in their division and then they also play one locked in team from the other division every year (the teams above and below each other) then you play a pair of other teams from the other division

so Texas would play OU, Tech, Baylor, ISU, and WVU every year then they would play a pair of OkState/TCU or KSU/KU every two years home and home

this keeps the Texas OU game,it keeps Tech OkState, it keeps TCU Baylor, it keeps Farmagedon, and it keeps KSU/KU

it would leave out Texas OkState, OU Tech, ISU KU, and TCU with Texas, Tech and Baylor every year, but the pairings could be done where TCU gets some of them most years and "sorry" TCU, but you were the last one added so you get in the other half of the conference just how it is

I suppose one could swap TCU and WVU, but I think this alignment is better long term

this alignment has very evenly matched divisions, the major rivalries are protected along with many of the smaller ones, and the chances of a CCG repeat are lessened by a large %

it gives each member a chance to schedule for their NEEDS be it the need to try and make the playoffs or the need to just get some wins and get some traction and make bowl games consistently

I think part of the issue why this is never considered is because it requires WORK from the ADs to make schedules......for instance ISU is now in a position where they can realistically talk about a chance at the playoffs.....what that means is the AD would need to get off his ass and possibly dump some lesser programs in the OOC and pick up a better game or two (not knocking ISU here it is just an example of a team that a few years ago would have needed to schedule for "wins" and that can now think beyond that).....another example of failing at that was Baylor that did a fine job scheduling for "wins" back when they had seasons of 1 and 2 wins and then when they were winning 9 games a season and looking to get better.....well they still kept the shit OOC because they had the yesteryear thinking of "win the Big 12 and people give a shit" in the playoff era......well the bad news is tOSU won the Big 10 and won a CCG and TCU was still new in the Big 12 and Baylor had a shit OOC schedule

this format also allows the chance for a large number of Big 12 teams to make bowl games (8 or more every year) while still having a Big 12 team that has a clear chance at the playoffs

if you can get in a position where the Big 12 has all or most all of their teams coming into conference play with a 5-0 or 4-1 record with decent OOC wins and maybe a couple that are 5-0 or 4-1 with some shit OOC wins......well at the end of the year people forget about those shit OOC wins to a degree especially if you make a bowl game and win it

having 7 or 8 Big 12 teams with 5-0 or 4-1 in the OOC and then bowl wins to be 6-0 and 5-1 overall against teams outside the conference transfers to getting a lot of teams ranked to end the season....and that transfers to getting more teams ranked to start the next season....and then you build on that shit and you have ADs that constantly adjust their OOC schedules even at the last minute to get needed "wins" or to get "OOC strength of schedule"

this is the shit the SEC SEC SEC does.....the late season D1-AA games that guarantees no conference member loses that week while every other conference is playing a conference game and beating each other up......having 14 teams, but only playing 8 conference games so there is a greater chance of a great CCG match up......not giving a shit of Vanderbilt and Kentucky and MSU (and aggy of course) schedule total dog shit  in the OOC because none of them are realistically sniffing the playoffs and even if they are winning the SEC SEC SEC and the SEC SEC SEC CCG means a little bit because of how they have played the game for a damn decade.....make sure teams get wins in the OOC no matter who it is and get teams in bowl games and end the year with more ranked teams and have more ranked teams to start the next year

the fucking Big 12 tries to market some failed shit about "we had a total conference circle jerk!!!!!" and guess what NO ONE GIVES A FUCK THAT YOU ALL JACKED EACH OTHER OFF!!!!

they give a fuck that when you started jacking each other off in conference games that teams had no losses in the OOC or if they did have a loss it was to a very very good team from another conference....they give a fuck that there is a good chance that the teams in the CCG have not played yet that season

people need to get over the idea that because a couple of teams in the conference had a shit OOC to generate all their wins that is bad.....they need to get with the fact that a win over total shit is ALWAYS better than a loss not matter how good the team was that you lost to...and they need to get over the idea that somehow a loss was to another team in the conference that is not all that bad because another team in the conference got the win......that is shit thinking those losses add up and make the conference look like shit overall 

if you played 12 conference games you would have a conference that is .500 every fucking year.....and that would be a shit conference that would fucking fall apart in 5 years or less

there are more independent teams now than ever, G5 teams are desperate for games and money, lower level P5 teams are desperate for home and home games to avoid paying G5 teams $1 million or more for a buy in game

Texas and OU can get any teams they want on the OOC and several other Big 12 schools can with little effort there is ZERO reason that the Big 12 as a whole cannot put together 5 OOC games per team that could have teams 5-0 and 4-1 coming into conference play even after playing 2 P5 teams in the OOC and maybe even a good MWC or AAC team or a good independent

look at the reality of how the numbers play out and how strength of schedules works for the entire conference......even if you had members that were 3-2 in the OOC with pretty poor teams on that schedule....the fact of being better than .500 in the OOC helps the conference as a whole.......because right now with teams only having 3 OOC games and most teams trying to get at least one P5 on the OOC well you have teams coming into conference 2-1 or 1-2 and that does not help things when those teams start taking conference losses

yes there is a chance a team could come in 2-3 or worse, but that is where those teams adjust their schedule for "wins" because only someone with their head in their ass thinks that team is ready to schedule for the playoffs.....then when that team does what ISU has done well they call that D1-AA team and tell them the game is off and the check is in the mail and they call Liberty or BYU or Navy coming off good seasons and ask them what it takes to get a game with them starting with a home game to replace the D1-AA game they just bought out of

it is a long term plan to get more OOC wins, get more bowl teams, get more bowl wins, get more teams ranked or almost ranked to end the year and then get more teams ranked or almost ranked to start the next year....and you repeat that shit over and over always crafting the schedules to get the wins and to get to the playoffs for the ones that are "there"

over time you have a conference of mostly winners instead of a conference with a couple of teams that have expectations, a couple of teams that have hope, and some fodder that serves as wins for the others

[Tom 2959]

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I always thought, before ND went half in, that the ACC was holding the last two spots for ND and Texas. Still kinda do think that. While it'd feel culturally weird for a bit, that'd be a power conference in all the big three sports. And not much weirder than the move from SWC to Big 12.

 

 

I disagree.  The Big 12 made a lot more sense at the time than the ACC would now.  We had a century of history with one of the two biggest names in the Big 8.  All but one school was in the same time zone.  Hell, most of the schools are a stone's throw off I-35.  

We have little history with the ACC, and we'd be as much of a geographic outlier as WVU is in the Big 12. At least with the Pac there'd be room to take three neighbors with us.   Two of our three biggest historic rivals are already in the SEC West.  We'd essentially be #16 and all alone in the ACC.

We need to figure out how to make the Big 12 work.  This is a good, fun conference in basketball and baseball.  Football is fun but just needs a couple more 9 or 10 wins per year teams capable of getting into NY6 games and the playoffs occasionally to boost this conference's perception in the eyes of the public.

Edited May 20, 2021 by Tom

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I will present my idea above a different way (since i am clearly bored)

playing 9 conference games that is 30 OOC games the best the Big 12 could do is 30-0 and then 90 conference games where the Big 12 will be 45-45 no matter what

so the best the Big 12 could do is 75-45

contrast that with 7 conference games the the Big 12 has a CHANCE for 50-0 in the OOC and then 35-35 in conference

so the best the Big 12 could do is 85-35

 

the above shows the best POSSIBLE case for the conference with 7 conference games vs 9 as far as teams making the playoffs and the number of bowl teams

you could also swap some wins and cost a team a bowl game chance if you wanted to have a chance to get another team with 9 wins or 10 wins after a bowl game win

I also included the prior 3 seasons (excluding the screwed up 2020) to show examples

in 2019 with one more win each WVU and TCU could have played in a  bowl game......with one more win OkState may well have ended the season ranked.....Texas was ranked at 8-5, but what TCU beating Texas get TCU.....well jack shit TCU would have been better off with two wins over The Little Sisters Of The Poor and a chance at a bowl win and a winning season....instead they get the "aggy trophy" of "beat Texas" which I don't think means as much to TCU fans looking at a 5-7 season as it would for aggy....I am not sure TCU even made Tshirts for the win

2018 again one more win each and KSU and Tech would have gone to a bowl game....what did KSU get for beating Tech and OkState that year....well they cost Tech a chance to go to a bowl game (and KSU still did not go to one either) and possibly cost OkState a chance to end the year ranked at 8-5 with the win over #24 Missouri and that cost the Big 12 another ranked team that year

in 2017 the Big 12 did get 8 teams in bowl games, but it required Kansas and Baylor to be 1-11 and Baylor still got their win on conference over Kansas of course....the crazier thing there is how shitty most of the OOC records were, but no one below OkState got anything of meaning for beating up on each other and going 5-4 in conference it would have been better to have just beaten some dog shit in the OOC especially if the record was better than .500 for most of them

the Big 12 does all it can to put their teams behind the 8 ball from the start of the season to the end of the season to the start of the next one

they guarantee 10 less chances for a win for the conference without a guaranteed loss so the max number of possible wins is 75 instead of 85 which of course averages to 1 loss per team in a 10 team conference

they guarantee the CCG will never have 2 undefeated teams which means you are always sweating a team making the playoffs with possibly 1 loss and of course you pretty much guarantee there will never be 2 teams making the playoffs unless you think two teams that are 12-1 will both make it after the undefeated one losses to the other

you guarantee a rematch in the CCG

and you make sure that every team in the conference has a major effect on every other team in the conference with their strength of schedule by having that team on the schedule of every conference member no matter how shitty that team is

and you make it harder to have teams with enough wins to get ranked and to do so means fewer teams getting in bowl games....or the opposite more teams in bowl games, but possibly fewer ranked teams to show for that

to be abundantly clear I realize the numbers above with 100% OOC wins are highly unrealistic, but the fact is you are looking for opportunity for teams without the cost to other teams in the conference

I think the reality is the way it is now you are looking at about a max of 3 ranked teams per season, sweating a team making the playoffs every year with a number of misses over the long haul, and you are looking at a lot of teams with badly losing seasons or barely winning seasons in about half the conference each season

that vs the chance to get 4 or 5 ranked teams more frequently, the chance to get undefeated teams in both sides of the CCG, the slight chance to get two teams in the playoffs, and the chance that even the very lowest members of the conference could have a winning season or close to it to help get traction for the next year

one method is a fucking disaster the other is playing the system for the long haul and to make a better conference overall that helps the top teams as much or more than anyone

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

We never schedule for wins.   Our OOC always consists of Iowa, whom Campbell is inexplicably incapable of beating, and a very hungry local FCS school from somewhere in the northern plains area.  Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, North Dakota State.  All high end FCS programs that thrive off of knocking off local P5 programs because they weren't recruited by said programs.  For some reason our AD likes bringing in the local FCS programs because it brings their fans to town, but we would sell out the home opener for any opponent.  Not some heavily motivated underdog.  It used to be a running joke among our fanbase that as soon as our AD added a smaller program to a future schedule, they immediately improved.

Last year we scheduled one of the top 3 G5 teams and lost.

I get the point you're making, but we're a shitass example of it.

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16 minutes ago, sportsbay said:

This.  If we are going to get an expanded playoff and gridlock on uniform scheduling, we should go all in on OOC wins and push back against the $EC bs as hard as possible.

wow I did not think about it in terms of expanded playoffs

all the more important to try and get two teams in the CCG that are undefeated or one has only one loss and the other undefeated....in addition to avoiding a rematch if possible

a much better chance to get 2 teams in the playoffs

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Side note:  with the massive increase in exposure that the FCS got for its Spring run, due to not competing against any other football eyeballs, I'm going to be a little shocked if they don't move their seasons to the Spring indefinitely.    They saw increases is not only attendance, but in broadcast interest.   If they can make enough to avoid getting destroyed for money, its probably best for everyone.

Which also starts eliminating the FCS games off the rest of the schedules and provides incentive for lower tear FBS to move down.   That should increase FBS scheduling as well.

 

All in all, I hope that happens for both FBS and FCS

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

Just now, Hurtlocker said:

Side note:  with the massive increase in exposure that the FCS got for its Spring run, due to not competing against any other football eyeballs, I'm going to be a little shocked if they don't move their seasons to the Spring indefinitely.    They saw increases is not only attendance, but in broadcast interest.   If they can make enough to avoid getting destroyed for money, its probably best for everyone.

Which also starts eliminating the FCS games off the rest of the schedules and provides incentive for lower tear FBS to move down.   That should increase FBS scheduling as well.

 

All in all, I hope that happens for both FBS and FCS

I really hope this happens too, but I kind of doubt it will - mostly due to the fact that quite a few FCS guys get drafted.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I really hope this happens too, but I kind of doubt it will - mostly due to the fact that quite a few FCS guys get drafted.

Several didn't play who got drafted in both FCS and FBS this year, didn't really have a material impact on interest.   Interest drives exposure and exposure drives value.   

No FCS school is going to turn down more money because a handful of guys go pro or opt out.

Also, we had pandemic timing, which can be perfected, and the NFL could move to draft guys like the MLB.   All easily solvable things.

[SimonBolivar 10910]

FCS schedules are pretty well set and schools are signing contracts well into the future already. They aren't moving to the spring full time anytime soon, unless there is a drastic change. They've relied on playing @ P5 schools for a while now. I'd wager they'd need to keep 1 or 2 games a fall (some FCS teams did that this year) just to keep that going even if they got tv money for the spring.

Edited May 20, 2021 by SimonBolivar

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

23 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Several didn't play who got drafted in both FCS and FBS this year, didn't really have a material impact on interest.   Interest drives exposure and exposure drives value.   

No FCS school is going to turn down more money because a handful of guys go pro or opt out.

Also, we had pandemic timing, which can be perfected, and the NFL could move to draft guys like the MLB.   All easily solvable things.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE that ISU never play another game against an FCS school in my life, and I loved having spring football.  I agree that they got WAY more exposure, and that it would likely only grow.

I still don't see it happening.