Realignment talk not going away

[jdhorn92 1538]

49 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

source plz?

Thats what got all this going It Is well documented

[PilotsError 2282]

39 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

Thats what got all this going It Is well documented

 

lol no

[USC Traveler 488]

4 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

Also shocked it was "overblown" since he was the one crying the most.

I will love if they set up an unequal sharing system and then Pitt or UVA or Cuse or someone goes on a tear and wins the ACC several years in a row.   The risk of getting more in performance based, is you can also get less too

That would be hilarious.

[thunderlounge 7758]

52 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

 

lol no

Fuck no, man. 

“This thing has legs”… 

 

had nothing to do with any current, or former b12 members.

Now, back to war chant.

 

[USC Traveler 488]

2 hours ago, Trojan Man said:

I don't think it's just posturing.  If the goal is leaving the ACC before the GOR expires, whether it's through litigation or voting to dissolve the ACC or paying a buyout, they have to say exactly what they just said.  Much like the administration has to publicly support the head coach until the minute they fire him they also have to publicly support the conference until the minute they leave.  If FSU went around saying "Fuck the ACC we want to leave this shithole yesterday" they wouldn't be allowed to vote on dissolving the conference.  Also, these are professionals.  They know how to say a lot of words without saying what they really mean because professionals generally don't burn bridges.  Even after all their exits were made official there hasn't been a single negative word about the Big 12/Pac 12 out of the administrations at Texas, Oklahoma, USC or UCLA.

Color me skeptical that any of these schools will be willing to challenge the GOR anytime soon.  (8-10 years from now is a different conversation.)

Yes, it's possible that 12 schools could work together (with some of them securing landing spots in the B12) to dissolve the conference, but that seems very tough to pull off, especially since the ACC adopted all of the legal language from the B12 into their new GOR.

Think about this- UT has more money and resources than anyone, but they weren't willing to challenge the B12 GOR, even to leave one year early.

it wasn't until ESPN worked out a deal with the B12 to get UT and OU out that they were able to leave one year early.  

No school wants to risk giving up that much money.

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Jason Scheer

 

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Shoutout to Dave Heeke for being honest here

 

 

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I have never said the Pac-12 is going to break up. I do think IF it signs a deal, it will be a bad one. I could be wrong. My consistent criticism is that it has been handled poorly behind closed doors and in the public eye. Nothing I have seen or heard has changed that.

 

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Scheer telling it like it is.  (He's talking about WSU president claiming ESPN/Amazon didn't want to do a deal right after layoffs).

 

 

 

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He went from it slowing down because of layoffs to trying to create a narrative that it's slowing down because so many people are coming to the table. What are we doing here? Just shut up and get a deal done.

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My man made sure to change that narrative real quick when ESPN signed Pat for a billion dollars https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/exclusive-wsu-president-kirk-schulz-eyes-pac-12-media-rights-dea-210309015/

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Edited May 18, 2023 by Hurtlocker

[Victor Lazlo 1767]

22 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

did anything happen today?

Yeah.

A bunch of Surlyites posting walls of unrealistic speculation, each one trying to convince the others of the righteousness of their own particular brand of speculation. 

Same as it ever was. 

[Vertigo 20267]

1 hour ago, Victor Lazlo said:

Yeah.

A bunch of Surlyites posting walls of unrealistic speculation, each one trying to convince the others of the righteousness of their own particular brand of speculation. 

Same as it ever was. 

This is a very reductionist view of history. I made at least three genius posts today that will alter the course of Texas football forever.

[Texas Wahoo 3383]

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/18/acc-split-reminder-college-sports-business-clemson-revenue

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There are two prongs to the realignment puzzle: Can you leave both legally and from a business perspective? You have to have an affirmative answer to both questions. Most people focus solely on the broadcast rights component of the Grant-of-Rights agreement, where each school surrenders control over its media rights for the life of the deal to the league, and if they leave, would be on the hook for the cost. But what is even thornier from a legal perspective is the second clause in the ACC’s agreement, where schools surrender their copyrights to the conference as well. If Clemson were to leave tomorrow, and play in a (hypothetical) SEC game tomorrow, then there’s an argument that it would be committing copyright infringement. Copyright law is complex, but it also has deep precedent, which means finding a loophole there may be yet another thing that is legally tricky. And even if all of that is squared away, there’s the matter of whether the league Clemson would wish to go to is actually ready and willing to add.

Interesting mention of the copyright clause of the GOR.

 

['stache 21774]

I'm legitimately curious what conversations were had with lawyers and media consultants when all 15 permanent ACC schools agreed to a 25 year deal (or whatever it was) considering the drastic increases year over year of media rights. Were they really told that media value had hit a ceiling and wouldn't increase over a quarter of a century?

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7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm legitimately curious what conversations were had with lawyers and media consultants when all 15 permanent ACC schools agreed to a 25 year deal (or whatever it was) considering the drastic increases year over year of media rights. Were they really told that media value had hit a ceiling and wouldn't increase over a quarter of a century?

I think everyone knew that the media rights amounts would continue to go up, but likely did not know how much.  ESPN payed way more (including the creation of the ACC Network) for the 25 year deal than they would have paid for a shorter deal.  Their deal is not wholly out of line with what the Big 12 and Pac 12 are getting now.  The ACC got overpaid at the start of the contract and is getting underpaid at the end, which is generally how long term contracts work.  The problem is that SEC/Big Ten are getting way more now than anyone thought was likely a decade ago.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Yeah, this deal was structured a very specific way, "We want the ACC Network!"   So ESPN said "fine, we'll make one for you, here's the deal".   And everyone in the ACC went "yay us, we've SEC'd!"

It doesn't appear there was much more forward thinking after that.

They took their new network and the terms it took to get it, which included being extended to 2035.    Now they're seeing the money isn't with conference networks, but with T1 content.   Oops.

Edited May 18, 2023 by Hurtlocker

[BurntOrange&White 39661]

At the time of the deal it was probably one of the better deals out there and included a network. Probably should have had some revisions in it where they could negotiate every so many years for more money.

[USC Traveler 488]

Interesting segment on multiple with Greg McElroy: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWRhEsKXm0

 

He says some things that make a lot of sense that many of us have speculated, some things that are surprising, and some things that sound crazy.

Worth having on in the background while you're getting some other stuff done.

 

Surprises: An ESPN employee on an ESPN show predicting that the 7 ACC schools will break away by 2026.   (16:20)

Makes Sense: UVA, UNC to BIG, VT and NCSt better fits with SEC.  SEC adding FSU and Clemson not a slamdunk due to UGA, UF, SC.

Crazy talk: The ACC breakaway schools may go independent.  UT, OU, USC, UCLA added to SEC/BIG out of fear they were all going independent.

 

Side note #1:  Notice the helmets on either side of him- UT and USC.  Hmmmmmmm.

Side note #2:  He blames big bad UT and LHN for aggy and Mizzou leaving B12.  Same as it ever was for the media.

Maybe Sankey told aggy he'd let ESPN keep running with that story until UT joins in 2024 as a pacifier/butt plug to keep aggy from whining so much about big brother joining the conference and casting a Godzilla-sized shadow over College Station.

 

 

 

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

Somebody explain to me why UCONN would be on the Big 12's radar? 

[Francisco 2.0 32342]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Somebody explain to me why UCONN would be on the Big 12's radar? 

 

Well, you see, basketball.

It's the only thing that would make sense.  Otherwise, there is no reason.

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39661]

9 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Somebody explain to me why UCONN would be on the Big 12's radar? 

Have you seen both of their basketball programs?

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Have you seen both of their basketball programs?

Geno is 69 years old and will likely retire soon. Their women's program will likely go downhill after that. 

About the only long-term value is men's basketball. I just don't see much value at all from UCONN but I don't keep up with realignment much. 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39661]

Just now, Rickylovesweed said:

Geno is 69 years old and will likely retire soon. Their women's program will likely go downhill after that. 

About the only long-term value is men's basketball. I just don't see much value at all from UCONN but I don't keep up with realignment much. 

 

The new Big 12 commissioner wants to make the Big 12 the premier basketball conference. There is also talks of Gonzaga as well. They may only be basketball only members.

[Rickylovesweed 14155]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The new Big 12 commissioner wants to make the Big 12 the premier basketball conference. There is also talks of Gonzaga as well. They may only be basketball only members.

They don't need either of those schools for it to be the premier basketball conference. It already is. 

[BurntOrange&White 39661]

Just now, Rickylovesweed said:

They don't need either of those schools for it to be the premier basketball conference. It already is. 

Oh and there was also talks of basketball having it's own tv deal type of thing as well. So the more premium brands for basketball they bring in the better the outlook for that plan is. 

[jdhorn92 1538]

21 hours ago, PilotsError said:

 

lol no

Really?  Lets not go down this road again for the 100th time.  Do i need to dredge up the articles for you...please say no, as this is very common knowledge that Mizzou, upon hearing the B10 may expand circa late '09, completely lifted their skirt and threw themselves all over the Big.  When Nebraska found out , they pulled rank and trumped the Tigers...using us as cover , 1 second on the clock, rev sharing etc....Mizzou got the ball rolling on this whole deal, Neb rolled over so fast, all this in the interest of trying to stop a shitty 3rd tier rights TV channel.

Edited May 18, 2023 by jdhorn92

[camel at sea 589]

The ACC might be in the early stages of their own WAC/MWC style break-up.  The biggest issue for the ACC is that they've got a LOT of football dead weight.  If they dropped their four worst programs, the per-game value of what is left goes up quite a bit.  They wouldn't just lose bad games, a 10 team round robin of would create more good match-ups, more often.  

[Hurtlocker 2208]

59 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

Really?  Lets not go down this road again for the 100th time.  Do i need to dredge up the articles for you...please say no, as this is very common knowledge that Mizzou, upon hearing the B10 may expand circa late '09, completely lifted their skirt and threw themselves all over the Big.  When Nebraska found out , they pulled rank and trumped the Tigers...using us as cover , 1 second on the clock, rev sharing etc....Mizzou got the ball rolling on this whole deal, Neb rolled over so fast, all this in the interest of trying to stop a shitty 3rd tier rights TV channel.

Yeah, but they didn't talk the Big Ten out of taking Mizzou.   The Big Ten wasn't taking Mizzou, they got a "thanks, but no thanks".   They took Nebraska's call.   That's the difference.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

10 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

The ACC might be in the early stages of their own WAC/MWC style break-up.  The biggest issue for the ACC is that they've got a LOT of football dead weight.  If they dropped their four worst programs, the per-game value of what is left goes up quite a bit.  They wouldn't just lose bad games, a 10 team round robin of would create more good match-ups, more often.  

Agree.   Size needs to be predicated on the amount of games you have with your biggest brands.   Or, absent massive brands, hugely competitive games, which are like just behind brands.    No brands and no competition isn't a recipe for success.

['stache 21774]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Oh and there was also talks of basketball having it's own tv deal type of thing as well. So the more premium brands for basketball they bring in the better the outlook for that plan is. 

Yup, and UConn football from all indications would remain independent, or MAC, or whatever they are now. I think it makes a lot of sense from a basketball perspective, especially with Yormark aiming to have a media deal specifically tailored for Big 12 basketball. 

[LTbear 4161]

On 5/17/2023 at 12:01 AM, Sandbagging Steve said:

All over North America, mainly camping and doing work from my laptop. Climbing, hiking and rockhounding. I'm going to extend it to a year if I can pull it off. I will be heading to Yellowstone next week and then 10 days in Glacier to get things started.

Craziness of all craziness, something Stevo and I can agree on. I'm currently in the middle of a month-long trip to Yellowstone, have spent more than a hundred days in the park in the past year, and spend several dozen in Glacier every year as well. Montana is the shit. 

[Texas Wahoo 3383]

28 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yup, and UConn football from all indications would remain independent, or MAC, or whatever they are now. I think it makes a lot of sense from a basketball perspective, especially with Yormark aiming to have a media deal specifically tailored for Big 12 basketball. 

I do not see any way that UConn would be interested in joining the Big 12 without football.  I think football is the only way to get them to consider leaving the Big East.

['stache 21774]

19 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

I do not see any way that UConn would be interested in joining the Big 12 without football.  I think football is the only way to get them to consider leaving the Big East.

I think they gave up caring about football after they made that BCS bowl a million years ago. Didn't they only move the program up when the Big East was solid in football? I think the payout in basketball with Gonzaga as part of it would be better than the current Big East. But I could be wrong. If not UConn, maybe Creighton?

[Hagbard Celine 10763]

2 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

Really?  Lets not go down this road again for the 100th time.  Do i need to dredge up the articles for you...please say no, as this is very common knowledge that Mizzou, upon hearing the B10 may expand circa late '09, completely lifted their skirt and threw themselves all over the Big.  When Nebraska found out , they pulled rank and trumped the Tigers...using us as cover , 1 second on the clock, rev sharing etc....Mizzou got the ball rolling on this whole deal, Neb rolled over so fast, all this in the interest of trying to stop a shitty 3rd tier rights TV channel.

except the shity 3rd tier rights channel didn't exist for another 18 months

[Hagbard Celine 10763]

2 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

Do i need to dredge up the articles for you..

yes

i just searched and did not find 1 article that supports your version of events

[camel at sea 589]

1 hour ago, Texas Wahoo said:

I do not see any way that UConn would be interested in joining the Big 12 without football.  I think football is the only way to get them to consider leaving the Big East.

Yeah.  It's not like the Big East isn't a great basketball conference in its own right.  They've got way more history there, and the travel is significantly better, too. 

[jdhorn92 1538]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

yes

i just searched and did not find 1 article that supports your version of events

that was hard 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/news/story?id=5184715

[jdhorn92 1538]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

except the shity 3rd tier rights channel didn't exist for another 18 months

you’re way over your skis if you don’t think Nebraska left the b12 and blamed Texas on the way out of the door.  they left in ‘11 and LHN launched in ‘12. you think we just shit the network out of our ass overnight?  that deal was talked about well in advance of launch and Neb knew it was coming. hell we offered to partner with Tamu on a “lone star “ network. 

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49 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

you’re way over your skis if you don’t think Nebraska left the b12 and blamed Texas on the way out of the door.  they left in ‘11 and LHN launched in ‘12. you think we just shit the network out of our ass overnight?  that deal was talked about well in advance of launch and Neb knew it was coming. hell we offered to partner with Tamu on a “lone star “ network. 

Tom Osborne, bitter about 1-8 whined.

The Nebraska president said they were further along on their network than UT was.  Anybody saying the LHN had anything to do with NU leaving probably has a Greg Swaim T-shirt that they are wearing right now.  And they are probably secretly aggy fans.

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https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-05-18/national-labor-relations-board-complaint-usc-pac-12

Its on.  They knew this was coming, but NLRB files a formal complaint about athletes being employees.  They claim USC, the Pac 12 and NCAA are joint employers.

The part about being joint employers sounds pretty asinine.  Maybe an effort to get at deep pockets.

[Wade 463]

56 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

that was hard 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/news/story?id=5184715

A 2010 report from a KC radio station is your proof?

[TKthunder2 4981]

This is contains the new deals for the Big Ten and Big 12.

This does not yet include the PAC12’s new deal or the SEC’s renegotiation from adding UT/OU and a 9th conference game.

 

[jdhorn92 1538]

21 minutes ago, Wade said:

A 2010 report from a KC radio station is your proof?

That was a 2 second google search. anyone who know anything about that time knows Mizzou was the first school to make overtures to the B10 re expansion. this has been discussed. heck chip browns anniversary article was out recently, recounting the timeline.  

[jdhorn92 1538]

3 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

except the shity 3rd tier rights channel didn't exist for another 18 months

here you gobud since you are a little new to this topic  

https://kckingdom.com/2021/07/27/missouri-football-mizzou-tigers-stayed-big-12/

 

 

I think the reason people have said that (Missouri is to blame) is because of the Big Ten thing, not the timeline of when they left for the SEC. They said they wanted out and once Missouri’s like, ‘Hey we’ll go to the Big Ten,’ now all of a sudden all bets are off and now Nebraska just starts fighting to get in line and everybody else started following suit.” –

Thus, the first domino.

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by jdhorn92

[Hurtlocker 2208]

56 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

This is contains the new deals for the Big Ten and Big 12.

This does not yet include the PAC12’s new deal or the SEC’s renegotiation from adding UT/OU and a 9th conference game.

 

FSU's nightmare:

[Hurtlocker 2208]

Athletic article, more of the same:

ACC unity, Pac-12 timeline, UConn on Big 12 radar? What we’re hearing on realignment

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The ACC wrapped up a tense few days of spring meetings Wednesday, and commissioner Jim Phillips said all of his league’s members are committed to each other “emphatically.”

Phillips’ comments came in the wake of multiple reports, including from The Athletic, that seven ACC members had examined the league’s grant of rights to determine whether it could be challenged in court, which could then pave the way for one or more to leave the ACC before its media rights deal expires in 2036.

Virginia Tech athletic director Whit Babcock told the Richmond Times-Dispatch the seven schools were Virginia Tech, Virginia, Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and NC State, and they have met together and with lawyers to examine the document.

“I would classify it as a number of conversations, usually in small groups, on interpretations of grant of rights, of bylaws of the league, of options that may be out there,” Babcock told the Times-Dispatch. “But as you know, the grant of rights has been looked at a lot of times by a lot of people.”

Babcock said the conversations weren’t as organized as many interpreted from reports Monday and that several discussions included subsets of the seven, not all seven together.

“I think it was less than ideal that it came out, but it’s been a catalyst for some real conversation and maybe getting to things a little faster that we’ve been working on as the ACC,” Babcock said.

He and his peers came out of their meetings with grievances aired, positions clarified and efforts explored to move to a new revenue model that would reward teams for competitive success. Administrators at FSU and Clemson have been the most vocal in recent months about their support for unequal revenue distribution. With a 12-team College Football Playoff coming in 2024, it is possible teams that go the furthest in the postseason would be able to keep more of the league’s allotment of CFP revenue than their peers who don’t.

After an eventful week in Amelia Island, Fla., nothing has changed for the ACC at an existential level; the league’s revenue gap compared with the Big Ten and the SEC will only snowball as those two leagues pay out $30 million more per school year over year. But if no viable exit ramp for ACC members exists until 2036, there might just be underlying tension and grumbling for quite some time.

The buzz around the seven ACC schools in the spotlight this week has posed an interesting question for the other major conferences: Might those schools be looking for new landing spots? And if so, could they be available before 2036? Could that possibility have an impact on those conferences’ expansion decisions in the near term?

Everyone out west remains in a holding pattern as administrators await the presentation of the league’s new media rights deal(s). Multiple league sources have told The Athletic that such deals are expected to be announced this summer, and Washington State president Kirk Schulz said the same earlier this month in a conversation with a Wazzu regent.

Schulz attributed the delay in negotiations to “the uncertainty in the economy, the layoffs in the tech sector and other places. … Clearly, the optics are something those folks are really worried about. … If you said when would be the worst time in the last six years to try and negotiate a media deal, probably the last five months is pretty close to the worst.”

“I know our fans are frustrated,” Schulz told Cougfan.com Friday. “I ask everybody to be patient because we have more bidders coming to the table, more people interested as the time goes on, and the 10 schools are as unified as I’ve ever seen them.”

The negotiation process is different (and slower) with media companies that have little to no experience with college football rights. ESPN remains involved in the bidding process, too. If there is any package of games on ION or The CW, a source briefed on the negotiations said, it would be very small and for the lowest-tier offerings.

The league still plans to finish its media rights negotiations before adding any members. It is highly unlikely the Pac-12 would add more than two schools to backfill after USC and UCLA depart for the Big Ten in 2024, Pac-12 sources said. It is also possible the league opts to stay at 10 members (assuming it fends off overtures from the Big 12) or adds just one new member and operates as an 11-team league, much like the Big Ten did after it added Penn State.

One important date — not exactly a deadline per se, but a key marker — is June 30, 2023. If San Diego State were to try to leave the Mountain West after that date to join the Pac-12 for the summer of 2024, its exit fee (of about $17 million) would triple. So either the Pac-12 will make its long-awaited decision on the Aztecs by June 30, or the earliest San Diego State could compete in the Pac-12 would be fall 2025.

Although it’s hard to speak in absolutes with the Pac-12’s media deal still in flux, there is optimism among key administrators the deal will be sufficient for the league’s survival and relatively short-term, keeping all current members together with a contract and subsequent grant of rights that stretches anywhere from four to six years. Such an arrangement would stabilize the league for a few years, allowing members to brace for additional poaching efforts ahead of the Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC’s next contract negotiations.

It’s certainly no secret at this point that the Big 12 is interested in swiping Colorado and Arizona from the Pac-12. But with that league’s media rights negotiations dragging on into the summer and the leaders at those schools continuing to stand by for a final offer, the wait will test the patience of Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark.

Yormark continues to explore his options for expanding the Big 12 into a 14- or 16-member conference going forward. Nothing seems imminent in terms of extending invitations to new members, but the first-year commissioner is doing his homework and UConn is one of several schools on his radar, Big 12 sources told The Athletic.

Westward expansion has been an open ambition ever since Yormark was hired in July, giving the Big 12 more a national presence and TV inventory in all four time zones. But Yormark has also made it well-known that he’s willing to double down on the Big 12’s advantage as the strongest college basketball conference in the country if he sees targets that add value.

UConn men’s basketball’s title run this spring certainly sparked more interest for Yormark, and the school is viewed as a potential good fit for several strategic reasons. Championship-caliber men’s and women’s basketball tournaments are certainly high on that list of pros, but so is the opportunity to establish more of a presence in the New York City market.

How would UConn football fit? The Huskies are coming off one of their best seasons in quite some time. Jim Mora pulled off a dramatic turnaround in his debut season, winning six games and getting the program to a bowl game for the first time since 2015. The Huskies haven’t finished with a winning record since they were Big East co-champs in 2010 and played Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. They’ve hired six head coaches since then and have lost nine or more games in seven of their last nine seasons. But if they were given the resources and platform that the Big 12 offers, could they become a more legitimate program by the end of the decade?

Yormark views these expansion prospects more from a professional sports lens, seeing things in terms of future upside more than past achievements. He’s looking at programs he can invest in by helping build up their brands so they eventually make the Big 12 more valuable when it’s time for the next TV deal in 2031.

Sources within UConn’s current league (the Big East) and past home (the AAC) both expressed skepticism about the Huskies’ interest in leaving for the Big 12. One of UConn’s biggest frustrations as a member of the AAC was the disjointed and spread-out nature of the conference, as well as the loss of traditional basketball rivals in the Northeast. When the Huskies returned to the Big East in June 2019, they celebrated the announcement at Madison Square Garden with banners, signs and paraphernalia that made it clear they felt they were back where they belonged.

“They just worked so hard to get out of a league that required them to go play UCF just to go back to a league where they’ll have to go play UCF?” one Big East source said. “I don’t see it.”

UConn athletic director David Benedict told CT Insider on Wednesday that any future realignment decisions would be a “complicated question” for the school.

“The dialogue and the commentary out there, I totally appreciate and understand people’s opinions,” Benedict said. “Where they’re emotionally tied is probably evident when you see what people say and what their opinions are. But, obviously, we look at it with a different lens, internally, and there are a lot of factors you have to consider.

“At this point in time, I’m not aware of a decision in front of me that I have to make. So what’s going to happen two days from now, two weeks from now, a month from now, six months from now, is anyone’s guess. There’s a lot of posturing that’s going on around the country. There are a lot of conversations. But, ultimately, until you have to make a decision, you don’t know and that’s not where we currently are.”

One challenge for Yormark, if he determines UConn is part of his plan, would be building consensus among his board of Big 12 presidents and chancellors. There’s some skepticism among league sources about whether UConn would become accretive in value for the conference. Yormark has enjoyed strong support from his board to pursue what he thinks is best since he was hired last July. It’s easy for presidents and ADs to get on board with importing Pac-12 schools and the value they would drive as full-share members. But going in this direction would likely take much more discussion and convincing.

Another important conversation on that front: Can Yormark get his TV partners, ESPN and Fox, to back these moves and pay pro rata for additions that don’t come from Power 5 leagues? Or would schools like UConn be willing to take a reduced cut just to get invited? That’s where these potential moves get more complicated. The Big 12 doesn’t necessarily need to expand this summer. But even if his Pac-12 targets get a good enough deal to stay put, Yormark could go in quite a few directions to grow his league.

There’s a belief among administrators both in and out of the Big 12 that Yormark’s envelope-pushing plans go far broader than simply poaching a couple of Pac-12 schools or leaning into basketball pedigree. He’s trying to position the Big 12 to be the third-strongest power conference moving forward — or perhaps the third and final power conference standing, if instability within the Pac-12 and ACC leads to exits that break open those leagues. Yes, the most valuable schools would flock to the SEC and the Big Ten, were they to garner invites. But what about that second tier? Schools like Louisville, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech or Duke could be fits for the Big 12 if the dominoes fall this way. It might be worth waiting to see what happens elsewhere before making expansion decisions.

 

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1 hour ago, jdhorn92 said:

That was a 2 second google search. anyone who know anything about that time knows Mizzou was the first school to make overtures to the B10 re expansion. this has been discussed. heck chip browns anniversary article was out recently, recounting the timeline.  

No one has argued against that.  What's being challenged is the claim that B1G was going to invite Mizzou. 

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10 minutes ago, Wade said:

No one has argued against that.  What's being challenged is the claim that B1G was going to invite Mizzou. 

understood. my contribution on the matter was to point out the Big10 wanted to expand, mainly to get in to the conf championship business. they stated the desire to “explore “ expansion.  Missou was quickly the first to raise their hand and thus put all of this in motion, as Neb quickly threw their name in the hat. Was an offer to Mizzou imminent as one poster above asserts, that i have no opinion on, but we all know Mizzou saying the hell with our B8 brothers and to hell with the b12 put the wheels in motion for Neb , Tamu etc. That seemed to be challenged above by a few posters. 

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56 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

understood. my contribution on the matter was to point out the Big10 wanted to expand, mainly to get in to the conf championship business. they stated the desire to “explore “ expansion.  Missou was quickly the first to raise their hand and thus put all of this in motion, as Neb quickly threw their name in the hat. Was an offer to Mizzou imminent as one poster above asserts, that i have no opinion on, but we all know Mizzou saying the hell with our B8 brothers and to hell with the b12 put the wheels in motion for Neb , Tamu etc. That seemed to be challenged above by a few posters. 

Yeah with you on this one.   Mizzou didn't hide their neediness.   They just weren't ever getting an invite.

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16 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

that was hard

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/news/story?id=5184715

you've still got the narrative wrong

the b1g never took missouri's call

missouri never had a spot for corn to take

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16 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

you’re way over your skis if you don’t think Nebraska left the b12 and blamed Texas on the way out of the door.  they left in ‘11 and LHN launched in ‘12. you think we just shit the network out of our ass overnight?  that deal was talked about well in advance of launch and Neb knew it was coming. hell we offered to partner with Tamu on a “lone star “ network. 

you just transmogrified the point you were making - everyone knows tom was butthurt because of 1-9 but go ahead and create a strawman to attempt to discredit me because my position doesn't fit your narrative.

SHOW ME (pun intended) any mention by aggy, corn, colorado or missouri of the LHN prior to the announcement of the LHN.

if the pending LHN announcement were "known" or "rumored" aggy would have impaled themselves on it like stuck pigs and they did not

the LHN negotiations were executed in total secrecy

please, show any proof of the LHN factoring in any bleating by aggy, corn, colorado or missouri, prior to the LHN announcement on 19 Jan 2011

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15 hours ago, Wade said:

A 2010 report from a KC radio station is your proof?

100% of his cited evidence (that espn article) is Missouri talking about themselves wishcasting the b1g to take their call which never happened