Realignment talk not going away

[DFW Horn 6118]

27 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

The Big 12 can write out a new bylaw effective July 1, 2024 (after UT/OU leave) that lowers their exit fees and reduces the transition timeline for any members that leave for the SEC/B1G. This would remove a lot of hesitation for Colorado or any P12 school that believes they’ll get an invite from the Big Ten. Now they won’t be able to break the GOR but if they can make an effort to lower their concerns and make the conference more attractive to P12/ACC school who think they are better than they are.

The opportunity to earn an additional $8.7 MM annually and $52.2 MM + over 6 years should be incentive enough for athletic departments struggling to make ends meet.

CU ain't getting a B1G invite. Adding a few PAC teams to form PST pod/division should be incentive enough for them, short-term. It's win/win with the B12 getting late night inventory while planting a flag in all 4 time zones. B18!

[DFW Horn 6118]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

...whatever the hell it is the BIG is doing, with some teams having no permanent games, some having 1, some having two, and I think a few having three. No symmetry whatsoever. 

How does Iowa rate 3 protected rivalries, but Penn State has 0? Leaders & Legends...

Here are the official protected rivals for every team in the Big Ten

• Illinois: Purdue, Northwestern
• Indiana: Purdue
• Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska
• Maryland: Rutgers
• Michigan: Ohio State, Michigan State
• Michigan State: Michigan
• Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
• Nebraska: Iowa
• Northwestern: Illinois
• Ohio State: Michigan
• Penn State: NONE
• Purdue: Indiana, Illinois
• Rutgers: Maryland
• UCLA: USC
• USC: UCLA
• Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa

[TKthunder2 4980]

10 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

How does Iowa rate 3 protected rivalries, but Penn State has 0? Leaders & Legends...

Here are the official protected rivals for every team in the Big Ten

• Illinois: Purdue, Northwestern
• Indiana: Purdue
• Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska
• Maryland: Rutgers
• Michigan: Ohio State, Michigan State
• Michigan State: Michigan
• Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
• Nebraska: Iowa
• Northwestern: Illinois
• Ohio State: Michigan
• Penn State: NONE
• Purdue: Indiana, Illinois
• Rutgers: Maryland
• UCLA: USC
• USC: UCLA
• Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa

Iowa has played Wisconsin and Minnesota over 100 times each. Penn State hasn’t played anyone in the Big Ten even 50 times. They also are really trying to force the Nebraska/Iowa game to be a thing.

[DFW Horn 6118]

1 minute ago, TKthunder2 said:

Iowa has played Wisconsin and Minnesota over 100 times each. Penn State hasn’t played anyone in the Big Ten even 50 times. They also are really trying to force the Nebraska/Iowa game to be a thing.

Illinois vs Purdue?

Not exactly T1 broadcast inventory.

[TKthunder2 4980]

18 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

The opportunity to earn an additional $8.7 MM annually and $52.2 MM + over 6 years should be incentive enough for athletic departments struggling to make ends meet.

CU ain't getting a B1G invite. Adding a few PAC teams to form PST pod/division should be incentive enough for them, short-term. It's win/win with the B12 getting late night inventory while planting a flag in all 4 time zones. B18!

People keep saying “should” but like the PAC12 TV deal, it hasn’t happened yet. If negotiating this token carrot into the conference helps put the death blow on the PAC12 the Big12 would be foolish to let this opportunity slip away.

[TKthunder2 4980]

4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Illinois vs Purdue?

Not exactly T1 broadcast inventory.

Again, 100 times also they are super close to each other (90ish miles like Texas and Baylor) and have played each other in every sport for a long long time.

If the Big 12 did something similar and protected the Iowa State/K State game most of the country would have a similar wtf reaction.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

12 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Iowa has played Wisconsin and Minnesota over 100 times each. Penn State hasn’t played anyone in the Big Ten even 50 times. They also are really trying to force the Nebraska/Iowa game to be a thing.

And Nebraska has no one else 

[YGIFS 19449]

17 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Iowa has played Wisconsin and Minnesota over 100 times each. Penn State hasn’t played anyone in the Big Ten even 50 times. They also are really trying to force the Nebraska/Iowa game to be a thing.

Corn on Corn Porn? 

Two Corns.  One Bowl?  

Dammit, I had something for this.  

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

Corn on Corn Porn? 

Two Corns.  One Bowl?  

Dammit, I had something for this.  

They tried to steal Farmageddon one year and it didn’t go well.

They call it the Heroes Game now.  Apparently being self absorbed and delusional about your mediocrity is heroic.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Al_4_ISU

[YGIFS 19449]

Wasn't "Farmageddon" how the McConaughey movie "Instellar" movie starts out>  ?

[Welshy 907]

Jesus fucking christ I can't take it any more.

Nobody gives a fuck about projected rivals.

Nobody gives a fuck about mandated rivals.

Would Texas EVER consider TCU a rival, projected, mandated or otherwise?

Fuck all, Arkansas is a rival to the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. It makes no sense. Win. Lose. Compete. The hatred grows. That's how Rivalries happen.

This mandated rivals shit is dumber than mud. You can't legislate rivals.

 

Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck the SEC for ever creating this NSACAR junior high crap.

Fight me. 

[DFW Horn 6118]

1 minute ago, Welshy said:

Jesus fucking christ I can't take it any more.

Nobody gives a fuck about projected rivals.

Nobody gives a fuck about mandated rivals.

Would Texas EVER consider TCU a rival, projected, mandated or otherwise?

Fuck all, Arkansas is a rival to the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. It makes no sense. Win. Lose. Compete. The hatred grows. That's how Rivalries happen.

This mandated rivals shit is dumber than mud. You can't legislate rivals.

 

Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck the SEC for ever creating this NSACAR junior high crap.

Fight me. 

[Not a Sock 2308]

2 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Jesus fucking christ I can't take it any more.

Nobody gives a fuck about projected rivals.

Nobody gives a fuck about mandated rivals.

Would Texas EVER consider TCU a rival, projected, mandated or otherwise?

Fuck all, Arkansas is a rival to the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. It makes no sense. Win. Lose. Compete. The hatred grows. That's how Rivalries happen.

This mandated rivals shit is dumber than mud. You can't legislate rivals.

 

Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck the SEC for ever creating this NSACAR junior high crap.

Fight me. 

Fighting the mentally handicapped is frowned upon.

[Welshy 907]

5 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

 

[LTbear 4160]

53 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Jesus fucking christ I can't take it any more.

Nobody gives a fuck about projected rivals.

Nobody gives a fuck about mandated rivals.

Would Texas EVER consider TCU a rival, projected, mandated or otherwise?

Fuck all, Arkansas is a rival to the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. It makes no sense. Win. Lose. Compete. The hatred grows. That's how Rivalries happen.

This mandated rivals shit is dumber than mud. You can't legislate rivals.

 

Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck the SEC for ever creating this NSACAR junior high crap.

Fight me. 

Hot damn son, you brand new to college football? "No one cares about protecting rivalries" is one of the dumbest takes on this board in a long time. 

[Deej 76560]

4 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

How does Iowa rate 3 protected rivalries, but Penn State has 0? Leaders & Legends...

Here are the official protected rivals for every team in the Big Ten

• Illinois: Purdue, Northwestern
• Indiana: Purdue
• Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska
• Maryland: Rutgers
• Michigan: Ohio State, Michigan State
• Michigan State: Michigan
• Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
• Nebraska: Iowa
• Northwestern: Illinois
• Ohio State: Michigan
• Penn State: NONE
• Purdue: Indiana, Illinois
• Rutgers: Maryland
• UCLA: USC
• USC: UCLA
• Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa

Fuck Penn State. They shouldn't even have a football program after the Sandusky shit. 

I'm not surprised nobody wants them as a rival.

"How about we pair you up with the kid diddlers?"

"How about you go fuck yourselves?"

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Deej

[Welshy 907]

2 hours ago, LTbear said:

Hot damn son, you brand new to college football? "No one cares about protecting rivalries" is one of the dumbest takes on this board in a long time. 

...gives a fuck about projected rivalries.

Not protecting rivalries.

 

 

[Vertigo 20266]

5 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

They tried to steal Farmageddon one year and it didn’t go well.

They call it the Heroes Game now.  Apparently being self absorbed and delusional about your mediocrity is heroic.

That tracks, just ask aggy.

[Hagbard Celine 10756]

20 hours ago, USC Traveler said:

re: domer

in a 24-team b1g with 4 divisions of 6 and 11 conference games (just stay with me here) does domer keep tree or navy as their solitary OOC game?

yes i know 11 conference games is nuts but what if it came to that?  in my industry if you don't have double-digit growth YoY you are toast

since this entire thread is 10% news and 90% wild-ass speculation and conjecture, whose to say fox hasn't put 24/11 on the table?

if they have, tree would be wise to tell berkeley sorry, but we've got to go, now

[Laxtonto 11929]

So, we are officially a week out from the end of the month. As much  as we talk about the Pac12 deal and how much money it is worth, what happens if July 1 rolls around and there is no new deal, either signed or in principal?

 

The reason I ask this is that, yes the various teams keep hinting that they need to know or they will consider other options, but how much of a drop dead, shit is going down, hold onto your butts, type of deadline is it?

 

So far, the only team that gets complete fucked on this is SDSU if things slide into July. Would the 4 corner schools be fairly pissed if nothing was figured out by July 1? Sure, but outside of looking around in a much more public approach, there really isn’t a lock down date that makes it an absolute shit is happening date.

Can the P12 tell them again, we are close give me 2 more weeks and if so does that delay have any real impact on them being able to both leave the P12 and join the B12. 
 

Let’s make it more simple. What is the absolute last minute real deadline date for a team to join the B12 and be available once the P12 media deal runs out? 

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

44 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So, we are officially a week out from the end of the month. As much  as we talk about the Pac12 deal and how much money it is worth, what happens if July 1 rolls around and there is no new deal, either signed or in principal?

 

The reason I ask this is that, yes the various teams keep hinting that they need to know or they will consider other options, but how much of a drop dead, shit is going down, hold onto your butts, type of deadline is it?

 

So far, the only team that gets complete fucked on this is SDSU if things slide into July. Would the 4 corner schools be fairly pissed if nothing was figured out by July 1? Sure, but outside of looking around in a much more public approach, there really isn’t a lock down date that makes it an absolute shit is happening date.

Can the P12 tell them again, we are close give me 2 more weeks and if so does that delay have any real impact on them being able to both leave the P12 and join the B12. 
 

Let’s make it more simple. What is the absolute last minute real deadline date for a team to join the B12 and be available once the P12 media deal runs out? 

This sounds ridiculous, but I truly believe it:

There is no deadline.  I think there's a better than 50% chance that the Pac 12 ends up staying together with no TV deal and playing non-televised games in 2025 because they're so irrationally attached to their West Coast/academia image.  None of them are going to leave, and the rumors have been mostly saber rattling to try and scare up a good deal, but there just isn't any deal coming their way.

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

IMO getting this close without is dangerous, going past July 1st without a deal is emergency panic.

[thunderlounge 7757]

July 1 isn’t a hard deadline. However (IIRC) they can bail, pretty much for free, for the ‘24 season before 7/1/23. 
 

After 7/1, no idea if new fees become involved if there is still no deal in place. 

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

3 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

July 1 isn’t a hard deadline. However (IIRC) they can bail, pretty much for free, for the ‘24 season before 7/1/23. 
 

After 7/1, no idea if new fees become involved if there is still no deal in place. 

Well after 7/1 they are within the final year....there is no deal so far for post 7/1/24. That is very very dangerous territory to be in.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

16 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

How does Iowa rate 3 protected rivalries, but Penn State has 0? Leaders & Legends...

Here are the official protected rivals for every team in the Big Ten

• Illinois: Purdue, Northwestern
• Indiana: Purdue
• Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska
• Maryland: Rutgers
• Michigan: Ohio State, Michigan State
• Michigan State: Michigan
• Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
• Nebraska: Iowa
• Northwestern: Illinois
• Ohio State: Michigan
• Penn State: NONE
• Purdue: Indiana, Illinois
• Rutgers: Maryland
• UCLA: USC
• USC: UCLA
• Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa

I love how Nebraska's rival 20 years ago was Oklahoma.    Now it's Iowa, and it's the only one....and its protected.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

6 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

I love how Nebraska's rival 20 years ago was Oklahoma.    Now it's Iowa, and it's the only one....and its protected.

It's a pretty fitting metaphor for the state of the program.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

36 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Well after 7/1 they are within the final year....there is no deal so far for post 7/1/24. That is very very dangerous territory to be in.

I heard either on a podcast or perhaps the Big12 Radio on Sirius that the PACX would want to have this deal done before PAC12 media days for football, which I guess should be somewhere around mid-to-late July??

The reason, according to the pundits having the conversation, would be that as a conference you want to showcase your brands, your teams, your coaches, and most importantly, your players.  If there is no deal in place before then, it turns into a giant media circus where the only thing being asked about is the TV deal and whether or not the conference will stay intact in its current form (minus LA schools) or not.  They said that is the absolute last thing the schools would want for their PACX media days event.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

I think the schools in the Pac will wait  however long it takes to see a media deal presented to them. They will wait for this deal because their preference is to stay in the Pac. 

What intrigues me is the game of chicken that will take place between UOWU and the B1G after that deal is presented. Even if teams start leaving after this media deal is presented I don't think UOWU has a spot in the B1G. However, they might wait in the Pac 8, 6, 4 forever just hoping for an invite.

[CustersDoctor 584]

1. I love deadlines. I especially enjoy the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.

2. With all this goal post moving by the PACX, I keep thinking, "Two more weeks to flatten the deal."

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nate said:

I heard either on a podcast or perhaps the Big12 Radio on Sirius that the PACX would want to have this deal done before PAC12 media days for football, which I guess should be somewhere around mid-to-late July??

The reason, according to the pundits having the conversation, would be that as a conference you want to showcase your brands, your teams, your coaches, and most importantly, your players.  If there is no deal in place before then, it turns into a giant media circus where the only thing being asked about is the TV deal and whether or not the conference will stay intact in its current form (minus LA schools) or not.  They said that is the absolute last thing the schools would want for their PACX media days event.

Their media days will be a clusterfuck if a deal isn't in place. Reporters will be like vultures.

[TKthunder2 4980]

July 1st was the date they needed to invite new members or have exiting members submit notice. Most conferences require at least 1 years notice.

That being said it’s not hard deadline like others have said. Colorado could submit its exit request July 15th and they would just be stuck in the PAC12 for the 24-25 year since they missed the July 1st exit. That obviously could be negotiated but it might cost them some $.

Like others have said, not having a deal before July is not a good look. They could continue negotiating their TV deal for months but then Colorado would be required to accept whatever deal is presented for the 24-25 year since they have no other options.

All PAC12 schools could be stuck in the conference for a year making only $20 million (and giving $5mil of that back to Comcast) from their streaming only deal with Apple. They’d all be rightfully upset but that’s the possibility they are signing up for by giving the conference extension after extension and defacto locking themselves down for a year with unknown $ by going past July 1 without a TV deal.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

26 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

July 1st was the date they needed to invite new members or have exiting members submit notice. Most conferences require at least 1 years notice.

That being said it’s not hard deadline like others have said. Colorado could submit its exit request July 15th and they would just be stuck in the PAC12 for the 24-25 year since they missed the July 1st exit. That obviously could be negotiated but it might cost them some $.

Like others have said, not having a deal before July is not a good look. They could continue negotiating their TV deal for months but then Colorado would be required to accept whatever deal is presented for the 24-25 year since they have no other options.

All PAC12 schools could be stuck in the conference for a year making only $20 million (and giving $5mil of that back to Comcast) from their streaming only deal with Apple. They’d all be rightfully upset but that’s the possibility they are signing up for by giving the conference extension after extension and defacto locking themselves down for a year with unknown $ by going past July 1 without a TV deal.

They won't be stuck because the Pac GOR and media contract end July 2024. Therefore, they can go wherever the hell they want after that point, without penalty. They don't have to give a prior notice of some certain length of time because they can simply say, "we are not signing this new deal, goodbye and good luck."

[TKthunder2 4980]

1 minute ago, Jabberwocky said:

They won't be stuck because the Pac GOR and media contract end July 2024. Therefore, they can go wherever the hell they want after that point, without penalty. They don't have to give a prior notice of some certain length of time because they can simply say, "we are not signing this new deal, goodbye and good luck."

That’s the TV deal/GOR only. The conference exit requirements/fees are a different story.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

1 minute ago, TKthunder2 said:

That’s the TV deal/GOR only. The conference exit requirements/fees are a different story.

No, they are all the same. How can you magically be locked into a conference with no legal terms? The GOR and media contract are the legal terms.

Edited June 23, 2023 by Jabberwocky
Grammar

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

Just now, Jabberwocky said:

No, they are all the same. How can you magically be locked into a conference with no legal terms. The GOR and media contract are the legal terms.

Yeah this is the part that was confusing me. I feel like you're right and he's wrong only because it's worse for the PAC 12 for you to be right. lol

['stache 21770]

6 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

No, they are all the same. How can you magically be locked into a conference with no legal terms? The GOR and media contract are the legal terms.

Conference by-laws are a separate contract that might contain an exit fee. I think the Big XII's was written as two years media payments, so they significantly overlapped, but could be different with the PAC.

[TKthunder2 4980]

7 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

No, they are all the same. How can you magically be locked into a conference with no legal terms? The GOR and media contract are the legal terms.

The Big 12 bylaws were for 99 years. The Big 12 TV deal and GOR was only thru 2024-25. The exit fee would still apply even if the GOR had expired.

I’m now going to waste a day trying to read PAC conference rules…

[Jabberwocky 1666]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah this is the part that was confusing me. I feel like you're right and he's wrong only because it's worse for the PAC 12 for you to be right. lol

Well, for arguments sake, let's say that Thunder is correct, and the members are locked into the Pac 12. Does it carry any meaning for them to be locked into a conference with no contract for their media rights? Wouldn't the schools then be able to shop their media rights anywhere they wanted while still being somehow "locked" in the Pac 12?

[Hurtlocker 2208]

15 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

That’s the TV deal/GOR only. The conference exit requirements/fees are a different story.

This stuff TK is saying is the entire reason for the deadlines.   Like the SDSU fiasco, notifications have to occur within windows, or fuckdom occurs.   For the Pac, its before the next financial year

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

6 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

The Big 12 bylaws were for 99 years. The Big 12 TV deal and GOR was only thru 2024-25. The exit fee would still apply even if the GOR had expired.

I’m now going to waste a day trying to read PAC conference rules…

Well the big 12 is stupid. PAC 12 may be even more stupid

[Jabberwocky 1666]

8 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

This stuff TK is saying is the entire reason for the deadlines.   Like the SDSU fiasco, notifications have to occur within windows, or fuckdom occurs.   For the Pac, its before the next financial year

The SDSU situation is completely different. They have a valid media contract that extends to July 2026. The MWC media contract and GOR do not expire next year.

In the case of the Big 12, I believe the GOR was for a 99 year term, and the media rights contract expired in July 2025. In that case UTOU had to pay an exit penalty to retain their media rights.

Edited June 23, 2023 by Jabberwocky
Grammar

[TKthunder2 4980]

4 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

Well, for arguments sake, let's say that Thunder is correct, and the members are locked into the Pac 12. Does it carry any meaning for them to be locked into a conference with no contract for their media rights? Wouldn't the schools then be able to shop their media rights anywhere they wanted while still being somehow "locked" in the Pac 12?

Part of being in the conference is sharing your rights as part of the collective. The conference would vote on a deal for the 24-25 year and you’d be included in that decision for that year (just not long term) unless they allowed for individual disbursement like the Big 12 has done for tier 3 historically (LHN/PPV).

[TKthunder2 4980]

6 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

The SDSU situation is completely different. They have a valid media contract that extends to July 2026. The MWC media contract and GOR do not expire next year.

In the case of the Big 12, I believe the GOR was for a 99 year term, and the media rights contract expired in July 2025. In that case UTOU had to pay an exit penalty to retain their media rights.

The Big 12 GOR ran concurrently with the TV deal through the 24-25 athletic year and had no exit fees or other way out. Texas and Oklahoma granted the Big 12 it’s TV right for the specific timeline which they in turned sold to ESPN/FOX who knew they’d have all 10 schools for the duration of the agreement.

The Big 12 bylaws were for 99 years and had an exit fee. This did not prevent anyone from leaving but set rules on how long they had to provide notice and what monetary penalties they would owe in order to leave.

These are separate agreements but often get talked about as a single issue.

[Hurtlocker 2208]

13 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

The SDSU situation is completely different. They have a valid media contract that extends to July 2026. The MWC media contract and GOR do not expire next year.

In the case of the Big 12, I believe the GOR was for a 99 year term, and the media rights contract expired in July 2025. In that case UTOU had to pay an exit penalty to retain their media rights.

Right, two different things though.   SDSU's window is July, after their buyout doubles.

Texas and Oklahoma both paid $50m to BUYOUT, their GoR was settled with timing and a Michigan/Texas game for Fox.

The Pac GOR ends next year, so no one would sign another one and then leave.   So they get an easy out saying they're gone next year, but they still have a notification window and, generally, that is a year, or two in the B12's deal, after the current.   If they notify, they're leaving in the next month, they can be on another contract next year.   If they notify in August, they can be on another contract a year after, since the fiscal year would have changed.   And THAT is the huge deal.   Because now they have to sign any deal the Pac has or they're in no-mans land

Edited June 23, 2023 by Hurtlocker

[Jabberwocky 1666]

1 minute ago, TKthunder2 said:

Part of being in the conference is sharing your rights as part of the collective. The conference would vote on a deal for the 24-25 year and you’d be included in that decision for that year (just not long term) unless they allowed for individual disbursement like the Big 12 has done for tier 3 historically (LHN/PPV).

The members of a conference cannot vote another member into signing a GOR.

Let's put it this way, so we are clear. The GOR is a rights agreement between the school and the conference. The Media rights contract is an agreement between the conference and their media partners. Both of these end in July 2024 for the Pac-12.

No school in the Pac-12 would sign a new GOR without an acceptable media rights contract waiting. That would be crazy.

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

1 minute ago, Hurtlocker said:

Right, two different things though.   SDSU's window is July, after their buyout doubles.

Texas and Oklahoma both paid $50m to BUYOUT, their GoR was settled with timing and a Michigan/Texas game for Fox.

The Pac GOR ends next year, so no one would sign another one and then leave.   So they get an easy out saying they're gone next year, but they still have a notification window and, generally, that is a year, or two in the B12's deal, after the current.   If they notify, they're leaving in the next month, they can be on another contract next year.   If they notify in August, they can be on another contract a year after, since the fiscal year would have changed

We’re discussing a Colorado or Arizona exit. There are no such GOR or contract as of July 2024. That’s the debate, not what the big 12 contract was or mwc. We’re discussing teams leaving a conference with nothing but potential bylaws of the conference in the way. 

[Jabberwocky 1666]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We’re discussing a Colorado or Arizona exit. There are no such GOR or contract as of July 2024. That’s the debate, not what the big 12 contract was or mwc. We’re discussing teams leaving a conference with nothing but potential bylaws of the conference in the way. 

The bylaws are only enforcable through a valid GOR. That is what they are arguing against.

['stache 21770]

3 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

The members of a conference cannot vote another member into signing a GOR.

Let's put it this way, so we are clear. The GOR is a rights agreement between the school and the conference. The Media rights contract is an agreement between the conference and their media partners. Both of these end in July 2024 for the Pac-12.

No school in the Pac-12 would sign a new GOR without an acceptable media rights contract waiting. That would be crazy.

The media companies were a party to the Big XII GOR. I dug into it as part of the discussion when some posters were saying the "Irate 8" were preventing OU/TX from leaving early. I pointed out that even if the schools said "ok, so long, no need to comply with the contract" the media companies weren't ever going to just let it go. It was confirmed when the report came out that FOX was the holdup and the early exit deal came with some game consideration to FOX (I think the UT/Mich game). 

[TKthunder2 4980]

According to CBS USC/UCLA had to give 2 years notice to avoid penalties

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/usc-ucla-to-leave-pac-12-for-big-ten-in-2024-college-sports-begins-its-latest-seismic-shakeup/

 

Thursday was the last day for USC and UCLA to inform the Pac-12 of their plans to depart without likely incurring additional financial penalties, sources told Norlander.

[BurntOrange&White 39647]

1 minute ago, TKthunder2 said:

According to CBS USC/UCLA had to give 2 years notice to avoid penalties

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/usc-ucla-to-leave-pac-12-for-big-ten-in-2024-college-sports-begins-its-latest-seismic-shakeup/

 

Thursday was the last day for USC and UCLA to inform the Pac-12 of their plans to depart without likely incurring additional financial penalties, sources told Norlander.

Yes but when they announced they were leaving it was 2 years prior to the end of their media deal/gor. July 2024 there is currently no GOR or media deal for PAC