Realignment talk not going away

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

20 minutes ago, Jasper_Jester said:

This Pac12 deal is likely not very lucrative, but I will not stand idly by while people pretend streaming isn't better than cable just because they want to get their dunks in!

It's better if everyone else starts streaming on just a couple of different platforms. It's worse if every conference gets its own streaming provider. I like watching PAC after dark, but I usually fall asleep during it and I'm not going to buy an extra package specifically to watch it.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

1 minute ago, bullet said:

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/article/george-klaivkoff-presents-pac-12-heavy-streaming-deal--213524809/

"The Pac-12 held a meeting on Tuesday morning in which George Kliavkoff was able to finally present numbers. There were three different deals presented, but the one that Kliavkoff felt the strongest about was led by Apple with a base in the low $20 million range.

As we previously reported, the deal includes heavy incentives that are based on subscriptions directly related to the Pac-12. The base number of the deal is considerably low compared to other Power 5 conferences, but the selling point would be that if the Pac-12 hits certain subscription number, it could possibly surpass the Big 12 base. 

Sources indicate that those subscription numbers would have to be substantial in order to get to that level...."

Sounds like the weirdos who tried to get me to sell Amway back in college.

[Reese Bennett 3663]

25 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Yes, I am sure enforcement is going to be rabid and tyrannical for a sports bar in Forest Grove, Oregon.

Nobody cares about the PAC in Forest Grove. They follow the hometown Pacific University Boxers, a charter member of the Northwest Conference.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

1 minute ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Sounds like the weirdos who tried to get me to sell Amway back in college.

"Ok, guys...it's Wednesday, which means we end practice an hour early so you all can hit the phone banks to solicit more subscriptions and get those much needed new chin straps!"

[Jasper_Jester 356]

21 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

They can have AppleTV, sure. But most of them don’t.  You probably don’t go to a lot of sports bars, I’m guessing.  

every bar I go to now, when I ask them to change the channel to the Longhorns game, it is very clear they are using a streaming service and not cable or satellite based on the interface I see. But, I live in California, so maybe we are just early adopters. If they are streaming, they have the Apple TV app.

[Josef Pwag 1913]

16 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Bar managers are almost always going to only show channels that they can flip through on their TV guide, because it’s quick and easy.  

I'm in sports bars all over. Most of the time, asking a sports bar employee to find a different game on a different channel is liking asking a 10 year old to get an A on a Differential Equations exam at MIT. I thinking asking a sports bar employee to find a game on Apple TV will lead to a rash of murder-suicides.

[Deej 77821]

18 minutes ago, bullet said:

The base number of the deal is considerably low compared to other Power 5 conferences, but the selling point would be that if the Pac-12 hits certain subscription number, it could possibly surpass the Big 12 base. 

Good luck with that. 

[tbone_ 14444]

I'm in sports bars all over. Most of the time, asking a sports bar employee to find a different game on a different channel is liking asking a 10 year old to get an A on a Differential Equations exam at MIT. I thinking asking a sports bar employee to find a game on Apple TV will lead to a rash of murder-suicides.

This has always frustrated the shit out of me. People come to watch your TVs. Not because your wings are just the best EVAR! Have someone that knows the game schedule for the day and how to work the got damn TVs.

[Jasper_Jester 356]

Things are going to get weird in bars unwilling to deal with streaming when NFL Sunday Ticket is on YoutubeTV this year. 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

31 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Bar managers are almost always going to only show channels that they can flip through on their TV guide, because it’s quick and easy. If there’s any additional step involved, they won’t do it unless there’s enough demand/requests. Opening a streaming service app is an additional step 95% of bar managers won’t hassle with. 

 

19 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

It's better if everyone else starts streaming on just a couple of different platforms. It's worse if every conference gets its own streaming provider. I like watching PAC after dark, but I usually fall asleep during it and I'm not going to buy an extra package specifically to watch it.

 

25 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

I'm gonna disagree with you.  Right now, I would say cable is still better than streaming.

Cable is easier to flip between games.

Cable doesn't have buffering issues.  Some neighborhoods don't have fiber optic yet.  Some are forced to only have two mediocre internet providers.  You get the idea.

Think this is where I make my shark tank/elevator pitch for a new streaming service that bundles all the existing ones together (ESPN+, Paramount, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN, etc) into 1 convenient location running on a piece of set top box hardware that has a remote that looks like this:

I'll call it: iCABLE+ and I'm asking $100 million for a 10% equity stake. No low ball offers, I know what I've got

 

 

[BachelorTrek 3320]

13 minutes ago, Jasper_Jester said:

every bar I go to now, when I ask them to change the channel to the Longhorns game, it is very clear they are using a streaming service and not cable or satellite based on the interface I see. But, I live in California, so maybe we are just early adopters. If they are streaming, they have the Apple TV app.

Oh, I forgot! Silly me!

Aren't the barstaff in sports bars all MENSA MIT graduate students working on 6 Ph.D.'s each? 

What? They aren't?  Well, Tarnation!  (/Sarcasm)

Lulz.

[BurntOrange&White 41859]

4 minutes ago, Jasper_Jester said:

Things are going to get weird in bars unwilling to deal with streaming when NFL Sunday Ticket is on YoutubeTV this year. 

Damn that's tuff....

 

https://www.directv.com/insider/directv-for-business-nfl-sunday-ticket/

[thunderlounge 8409]

8 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

 

 

Think this is where I make my shark tank/elevator pitch for a new streaming service that bundles all the existing ones together (ESPN+, Paramount, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN, etc) into 1 convenient location running on a piece of set top box hardware that has a remote that looks like this:

I'll call it: iCABLE+ and I'm asking $100 million for a 10% equity stake. No low ball offers, I know what I've got

 

 

Well, I know what you don’t got. Hand me 15% to fix it.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

11 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

 

 

Think this is where I make my shark tank/elevator pitch for a new streaming service that bundles all the existing ones together (ESPN+, Paramount, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN, etc) into 1 convenient location running on a piece of set top box hardware that has a remote that looks like this:

I'll call it: iCABLE+ and I'm asking $100 million for a 10% equity stake. No low ball offers, I know what I've got

 

 

You know, we laugh...but think about it.  This is the logical next progression.  Everything we watch will eventually be only streaming, and then someone will come along and say, "Hey, if you get this subscription, you can access all your channels directly through one app, box, etc."

Guess what...we then come full circle back to essentially what is cable.

[Jasper_Jester 356]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Damn that's tuff....

 

https://www.directv.com/insider/directv-for-business-nfl-sunday-ticket/

Didn't know about this. Good news for people who can't figure this out.

 

[BurntOrange&White 41859]

Just now, Jasper_Jester said:

Didn't know about this. Good news for people who can't figure this out.

 

Why are you being a retard? We're literally talking about bars and restaurants on this topic.

[TKthunder2 5059]

1 minute ago, Jasper_Jester said:

Didn't know about this. Good news for people who can't figure this out.

 

Okay but how do I watch the Big Ten on Peacock or Big 12 on ESPN+?

 

/s

[TKthunder2 5059]

Angry man yelling at TV: “Open PEACOCK you fucker!”

TV: ”Now playing Cock fucker 2 on Brazzers”

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

16 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

Well, I know what you don’t got. Hand me 15% to fix it.

will give you a tree fiddy commission on every fifth iCABLE+ sub 

 

 

[Kwix 2497]

12 minutes ago, Jasper_Jester said:

Didn't know about this. Good news for people who can't figure this out.

 

Man, Fuck those fucking buttons!

[Evil Bill Obrien 3510]

15 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

You know, we laugh...but think about it.  This is the logical next progression.  Everything we watch will eventually be only streaming, and then someone will come along and say, "Hey, if you get this subscription, you can access all your channels directly through one app, box, etc."

Guess what...we then come full circle back to essentially what is cable.

I joke about this all the time too but 100% agree someone is seriously gonna do this pitch and make a shit load of money by "reinventing" cable via repacking all the bullshit streaming services together eventually.

[Tex Long 4663]

For the ones here who apparently believe that watching streams found on aggregators like sportsurge is illegal... no, it's not illegal for you to watch them - it's illegal for the streamers to do what they do, and it's arguable whether sportsurge et al are breaking any laws linking to them. 

Truly, it's aggravating to have the streams stumbling, lagging, getting shut down in mid-play. But, hey, mejor que nada, no?

[hornbri 1508]

9 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

I joke about this all the time too but 100% agree someone is seriously gonna do this pitch and make a shit load of money by "reinventing" cable via repacking all the bullshit streaming services together eventually.

That’s what Apple tried to do with AppleTV. You go to the Home Screen and can see what episode is next in all your different app and play it from there. However the individual apps are not going to let that control go, so some apps like HBO and Netflix do not integrate others like Disney, Hulu, Paramount do. 

[camel at sea 589]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

It still blows my mind that Mandel is operating this way.  It makes sense for a west coast media guy (Wilner, Canzano, Altimore) to play to a local audience and tow the PAC party line - at least to some extent.  Why is the guy running The Athletic acting like he works for the PAC?  He's doing damage to the credibility of their entire outlet.  

[BachelorTrek 3320]

20 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

For the ones here who apparently believe that watching streams found on aggregators like sportsurge is illegal... no, it's not illegal for you to watch them - it's illegal for the streamers to do what they do, and it's arguable whether sportsurge et al are breaking any laws linking to them. 

Truly, it's aggravating to have the streams stumbling, lagging, getting shut down in mid-play. But, hey, mejor que nada, no?

How can such streams be illegal if the country that hosts the site doesn't have any Internet laws, or better yet, doesn't recognize/doesn't enforce USA copyright laws?

Edited August 2, 2023 by BachelorTrek

[FartingDreamer 138]

Streaming tech talk not going away...

[Jasper_Jester 356]

23 minutes ago, hornbri said:

That’s what Apple tried to do with AppleTV. You go to the Home Screen and can see what episode is next in all your different app and play it from there. However the individual apps are not going to let that control go, so some apps like HBO and Netflix do not integrate others like Disney, Hulu, Paramount do. 

Prime and Hulu are doing this too. I believe if you have the advanced boxes from Xfinity you can watch several of the streaming services through your cable box (though you are actually streaming the content).

[4th&Five 42005]

 

[Tex Long 4663]

8 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

How can such streams be illegal if the country that hosts the site doesn't have any Internet laws, or better yet, doesn't recognize/doesn't enforce USA copyright laws?

Oh, I agree. You should prolly ask the guys above who don't do it because it's "illegal". Even if it were illegal for the streamer, it's not illegal to watch.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

 

[TexEx15 17948]

8 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

If they go to the full 20 then they should do 9 game division schedules.

The Big12 should jump at Arizona, Arizona St. and Utah if that happens.

Edited August 2, 2023 by TexEx15

[gatormarc 937]

3 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

If they go to the full 20 then they should do 9 game division schedules.

The Big12 should jump at Arizona, Arizona St. and Utah id that happens.

I'm thinking there are 4 current B1G schools that would say screw that to being put in a division with 6 west coast schools.

[BachelorTrek 3320]

5 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

 

The non-answer tells all.

If they were staying put, you wouldn't get the non-answer.  This eruption of non-answers is gold.  Lulz.

[LTbear 4213]

26 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

It still blows my mind that Mandel is operating this way.  It makes sense for a west coast media guy (Wilner, Canzano, Altimore) to play to a local audience and tow the PAC party line - at least to some extent.  Why is the guy running The Athletic acting like he works for the PAC?  He's doing damage to the credibility of their entire outlet.  

Wasn't Mandel also the guy who used to repeatedly stick up for UCLA's god-awful attendance? Regardless, his continual shitting on the Big XII - talking about its corpse, and putting together an "analysis" of TV numbers so full of bias and errors I wasn't accept it from a freshman-level stats student, has been ridiculous. 

[camel at sea 589]

11 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

It's interesting that this comes up as the FSU situation starts making waves, too.  I wonder which entity is clamoring for more B1G inventory.  

[Macklemore 2945]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nate said:

I'm gonna disagree with you.  Right now, I would say cable is still better than streaming.

Cable is easier to flip between games.

Cable doesn't have buffering issues.  Some neighborhoods don't have fiber optic yet.  Some are forced to only have two mediocre internet providers.  You get the idea.

I have a 3 TV setup in my living room for football season. I hate that Sunday Ticket has moved to YouTube from DirecTV. Hate that I have to change inputs to my AppleTVs to flip Sunday Ticket games. Put me down for traditional satellite TV being far superior.

[GreenspointTexas 9969]

People still go to sports bars?

[TKthunder2 5059]

22 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

I hope they take Cal.

lol

seriously that would pretty much put the SEC in prime position for the ACC candidates other than ND.

[camel at sea 589]

3 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Wasn't Mandel also the guy who used to repeatedly stick up for UCLA's god-awful attendance? Regardless, his continual shitting on the Big XII - talking about its corpse, and putting together an "analysis" of TV numbers so full of bias and errors I wasn't accept it from a freshman-level stats student, has been ridiculous. 

Yeah, it's been strangely vindictive.  Either he's getting paid to shill for the PAC or he's developed a personal hatred toward the people of flyover country that's rendered him irrational.  

[gatormarc 937]

7 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

It's interesting that this comes up as the FSU situation starts making waves, too.  I wonder which entity is clamoring for more B1G inventory.  

Which one got stuck doing Maryland/Charlotte as their primetime game of the week?

[gmr548 16701]

If they go to the full 20 then they should do 9 game division schedules.
The Big12 should jump at Arizona, Arizona St. and Utah if that happens.

If they go to 20 with six PAC schools it’s probably just a rotation with those six schools all playing one another and filling the four annual gaps with random B1G teams, with each B1G team getting 1-2 west coast teams a year and otherwise sticking to Midwest schools.

[Saint Austin 776]

I wonder if the "FSU to the Big Ten" talk isn't a diversion of some sort. Doesn't that conference require new members to be in the AAU, which FSU is not? Seems like likely that the Big Ten would poach different ACC schools like UVA, UNC, GT, or Miami, or possibly other Pac-12 castaways instead.

[BurntOrange&White 41859]

 

[LTbear 4213]

3 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

I wonder if the "FSU to the Big Ten" talk isn't a diversion of some sort. Doesn't that conference require new members to be in the AAU, which FSU is not? Seems like likely that the Big Ten would poach different ACC schools like UVA, UNC, GT, or Miami, or possibly other Pac-12 castaways instead.

A diversion made by FSU? I'm not following what the goal would be. 

[USC Traveler 488]

15 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

No a bunch of rando dumbassess on the Internet think the have a case, FSU’s lawyers know very clearly they don’t have a case.

The Chair of the Board of Trustees at FSU said in an interview with Warchant that was linked somewhere itt "The GOR is the least of our worries."

He might be a dumbass, but he's far from a rando on the internet.

[Saint Austin 776]

1 minute ago, LTbear said:

A diversion made by FSU? I'm not following what the goal would be. 

To get the SEC to extend an invite first.

[BurntOrange&White 41859]

 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Yes, God forbid the conference responsible for the whole realignment shit show look predatory.

[gatormarc 937]

3 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

To get the SEC to extend an invite first.

They've probably talked to B1G and SEC and both said, "come talk to us once you've figured out the GoR and we'll see how things look."

Probably trying to make a lot of noice to create some FOMO to get more of a commitment from someone or at least a guarantee for membership "whenever" it can actually happen.

 

[TrashMaster G 18090]

On 7/31/2023 at 10:30 PM, Deej said:

Notre Dame is the chick who thinks she's hotter than she really is, won't give it up to anyone, then realizes she's on the other side of 40.

Utah is the chick who thinks she's hotter than she is because she bagged a rich Sugar Daddy.

Problem is, he beats her and is about to file for bankruptcy.