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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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10 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I can't shake the feeling that the 4 left standing eventually balloon to 20 teams, then realize that's not a real conference, then subdivide into divisions of 10 along generally geographic lines. Suddenly 25 years from now we have basically the same conferences. And we're right back to the best kind of conference (10 teams, round robin schedules) with pairs of divisions that are "conferences" for media contract purposes only.

Well in 1914, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Baylor and Oklahoma St. met in a meeting to create the SWC and LSU thought about coming (Rice joined before the first season).  Sub Texas Tech for Arkansas and you have the 1996 Big 12 South.  Now in 2024 Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Arkansas will be back together in the SEC along with LSU.

its all happened before.  it will all happen again..

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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9 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

It just sucks all around that’s we might get to 20 team conferences for the fans.  We made fun of aggy for never playing Georgia but now teams might not play other teams in their own conference but once every ten years as a regular occurrence.   No one has a clue how to schedule this shit or how to do divisions yet.   SEC can’t figure out how to schedule or don’t want to for a 16 teams conference because pods and a real rotating schedule takes away their control to pick and choose and make the top half look better then they really are like they have been for years.  Most SEC teams don’t want to give up their non conference cupcake wins either.  If you got to 2-3 non conference games and everyone schedules non conference cupcakes how to judge between the conferences?

We'll play with reasonable frequency since they are dropping divisions, but you may have "champions" who play 8 of the other 19 teams.  League titles will become crap shoots depending on who you play and you will periodically have to use convoluted tiebreaks that make 2008 Big 12 South look reasonable.  But its already done.

Lets hope they all stop at 18.  UW/Oregon to B$G 10++++++++ and FSU/Clemson to $EC.  ACC and Big 12 figure out how the M2 looks.

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4 minutes ago, bullet said:

Well in 1914, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Baylor and Oklahoma St. met in a meeting to create the SWC and LSU thought about coming (Rice joined before the first season).  Sub Texas Tech for Arkansas and you have the 1996 Big 12 South.  Now in 2024 Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Arkansas will be back together in the SEC along with LSU.

its all happened before.  it will all happen again..

"Oklahoma A&M" didn't change its name to Oklahoma State until 1957, so they were known as "Oklahoma A&M" in 1914.

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What's funny about all this is Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska also voted for that

Uneven revenue sharing was favored by A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas.  Seeing a pattern there?

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Well in 1914, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Baylor and Oklahoma St. met in a meeting to create the SWC and LSU thought about coming (Rice joined before the first season).  Sub Texas Tech for Arkansas and you have the 1996 Big 12 South.  Now in 2024 Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Arkansas will be back together in the SEC along with LSU.

its all happened before.  it will all happen again..

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1 minute ago, Lonestar88 said:

This all could just be Oregon and UW trying to get leverage in negotiations with the Big 10.

I assumed that as well. No reason Oregon and Washington should get less than $50 million while Purdue and Rutgers are close to $100 million or whatever the escalators end up at. 

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31 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:


The Big 12 always ended up with more money than they previously had. Even if the Pac survives, they’re all doing it for less money and awful exposure. It’s survival, but removing themselves from the game in a lot of ways. Which I’ve long assumed they would do until last week.

Agree, the PAC was already an afterthought in terms of national perception amongst college football fans. If they stick together they’re completely irrelevant and will be a laughingstock. Not ideal for recruiting.

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58 minutes ago, LTbear said:

I can't believe UO and UW would actually turn down a B1G invite if they can see beyond 5 years into the future. Perhaps this is UO and UW looking to gain some tiny bit of leverage with the B1G (give us more travel money), perhaps its Apple throwing out one more sweeter (but still bad) deal, perhaps its ASU/ OSU/ WSU leaking positive remarks in a last-ditch effort before the final PAC meeting this morning. 

I'm betting on 1) Big 10 cooling on UO and UW and 2) your last sentence-ASU/OSU/WSU leaking more nonsense.

McMurphy, Wilner and a lot of others are pretty sure UO and UW end up in the Big 10 eventually.  Stupid to be Rose and stay on the Titanic instead of taking one of the limited lifeboats. 

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This all could just be Oregon and UW trying to get leverage in negotiations with the Big 10.

So would it be something like:

UO/UW: Hey BIG, we’re still negotiating a deal with the PAC that may give us more money.  So, if you want to make a move to add us, you need to move now.

BIG:  You should really take that PAC deal.

 

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ACC + B12 - while it adds time zones, it adds few if any notable big games that would draw 4 million plus. Nobody's paying big bucks for that.

In contrast B10 + UCLA & USC added multiple games with huge draws that will easily nab 4 to 8 million viewers with large viewership on both coasts.

Any school with a choice would be crazy to stay in the P10 not only because of the small payout but also the fact that nobody's going to go look for their new streaming package - the same way the world has ignored their current streaming network. In fact the new network would be even more difficult to find and more out of the way.

Shed no tears for the Pac and the Rose Bowl. They dug their own graves.

 

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I assume the only remaining issue is if the PAC dissolves completely and the teams join the MW or does the MW join the PAC for the name / Rose Bowl affiliation?

 

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