Realignment talk not going away

[Dirk X West 772]

3 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

That's where we differ.

I don't want to see B12 teams ever again, and I won't watch their games on TV. They aren't going to get NEAR the TV ratings people seem to think they'll get, but you'll soon find that out for yourself.

A lot of us Texas olds hope those cockroaches that decided their season's success each year on whether they beat Texas or not, will just dry up and disappear.

Not going to watch them on TV. Don't care. They can fuck off.

Narcissism is a helluva drug. 

[Dnaguy 11763]

7 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Big 10 took advantage of a bargain...

Oregon, Washington agree to massive financial discounts in accepting invitations to Big Ten

SCOTT ROUSSEL         14 MINUTES AGO

 

 

Still a smart move for those schools. B1G also smart for getting them at a price more in line with their value.

Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland now just stealing money at this  point. 

['stache 21744]

12 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

That's where we differ.

I don't want to see B12 teams ever again, and I won't watch their games on TV. They aren't going to get NEAR the TV ratings people seem to think they'll get, but you'll soon find that out for yourself.

A lot of us Texas olds hope those cockroaches that decided their season's success each year on whether they beat Texas or not, will just dry up and disappear.

Not going to watch them on TV. Don't care. They can fuck off.

Cool story bro. Fortunately, the people at ESPN work off more than feelings.

[USC Traveler 488]

3 hours ago, Deej said:

At home in a dark room, crying.

I'm here-  eating some brisket (not from Riley's house🤣), drinking a beer and trying to catch up on threads on my SC board and Surly, while reading posts on other 247 boards.  

For realignment sickos like myself, we're never going to see another day like today.

I'm strangely feeling okay with the Zeros joining the BIG.  Now I've got a team to hate in the conference, and it makes the conference stronger overall.

The overwhelming emotion for me today is happiness at the PAC dying the death it has deserved for over 10 years- ever since Champagne Larry and idiotic Presidents passed on UT, OU and the B12 gang, the PAC has deserved this.  You don't get to pass on UT and OU twice and live to tell the tale.

This conference fucked SC over for most of the last 20 years, so USC starting the chain reaction that led to its demise is very satisfying.

Knowing Scott, Klownkoff, Wilner, Clownzano, etc will all go down in history as complete frauds, each in their own way is the cherry on top.

[BachelorTrek 2933]

Just now, 'stache said:

Cool story bro. Fortunately, the people at ESPN work off more than feelings.

And even ESPN can't put lipstick on a pig and get people to watch.

[TKthunder2 4980]

35 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

The problem is they've got to convince several schools to pay a $34M buyout to leave the MWC and they can't guarantee a big media deal to any school who makes that choice.  Maybe Apple will still pay well above the MWC payout if the rebuilt PAC goes all-in, but that remains to be seen.

 

Yeah that’s about $140million the MWC schools would have to payout plus $40million the AAC schools would have to payout to join WSU/OSU/Cal/Stanford.

Those fees are more than Apple will pay for this new conference makeup.

A PAC/MWC merger seems like the obvious choice at this point:

Hawaii, SDSU, Fresno, SJSU, Cal, Stanford, OrSU, WSU, Boise, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyo, CO St, Air Force, New Mexico

 

They keep A5 status and can negotiate a new TV deal and likely get someone in the playoff in 24/25.

[Aqua Buddha 14501]

What is now the best academic school in the new Big 12?  Kansas?

Lulz.

['stache 21744]

2 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

And even ESPN can't put lipstick on a pig and get people to watch.

Then why are they paying $30M per school? It’s fine to say you won’t watch, but to say nobody will watch is stupid af. There are tens of millions of NFL fans who laugh at the thought of college football, and the average NFL game will double the ratings of the higher rated college games. Doesn’t mean “nobody” watches.l college football.

[Sbbruin 21704]

 

[BachelorTrek 2933]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Then why are they paying $30M per school? It’s fine to say you won’t watch, but to say nobody will watch is stupid af. There are tens of millions of NFL fans who laugh at the thought of college football, and the average NFL game will double the ratings of the higher rated college games. Doesn’t mean “nobody” watches.l college football.

And as soon as the ratings aren't what they hoped for (yes, they'll be your narcissists that watch so the ratings will be non-zero), the pie for the have-nots shrinks, and I wouldn't be surprised if that could happen during the contract since ESPN won't take a bath on this.

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

4 hours ago, bullet said:

All the people outside the Big 12 who were convinced no Pac school would deign to join the Big 12.  But CU did and Arizona really pushed UW and Oregon into acting.

And everybody but Brett McMurphy and me (since I believed him) thought as the USC guy did.

You're forgetting someone here. Any time I've mentioned the word "Oregon" over the past year I've had 5 posters ready to go to war over it. I finally just stopped posting as I had a vacation coming up anyway. The new word is "Florida State."

All these moves have been known for a very long time. The chaos was deliberate. As I said last month, the fans went off the rails when Bob Thompson and all the West Coast media started lying their asses off.

Oregon and Washington were always going to the B1G from the moment USC/UCLA left. Big 12 moves aren't hard to figure out from there.  These moves weren't nearly as chaotic as they may seem. Sure, there are some idoit presidents that have to be given time and then shoved in the ass. But that doesn't change much at the end of the day.

I said it throughout this process: McMurphy is the best sportswriter in the business. He's not flashy. He doesn't do politics. His sources are vetted. He's always been this way. He's an old-fashioned journalist. No wonder Disney fired him. He's not willing to stir up drama when there's not any and he's not willing to play politics.

ACC is next.

[USC Traveler 488]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Help me out here.  Why is Arizona a bigger get than Arizona State?  Zona State is in a bigger market (Phoenix) and a larger school (65K students to 36K).  They're both the same in football with Arizona being better in basketball if that matters.

Thanks.  I'll hang up and listen.  

After CU, they were the next PAC school most receptive to going B12 (b-ball, unhappiness with PAC second only to USC), so they were an important domino to get the whole thing to collapse and allow the B12 to get all of the 4C schools.

 

[Francisco 2.0 32313]

https://theathletic.com/4748641/2023/08/04/pac-12-oregon-washington-big-ten/

 

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On the morning of Nov. 12, 2011, Palo Alto, Calif., was the improbable epicenter of college football. ESPN’s “College GameDay” was live from Stanford, where that night the undefeated, third-ranked Cardinal hosted sixth-ranked Oregon. The Pac-12 finished that regular season with three of the top six teams in the country. It was the same year that the league signed what was then the richest television contract in college sports history (12 years, $3 billion).

That this same storied conference would be on the verge of extinction just a dozen years later seems utterly inconceivable. And almost entirely self-inflicted.

 

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There will presumably be many eulogies written about the demise of the West Coast’s beloved, century-old Conference of Champions, a league that produced the likes of Bill Walton, Marcus Allen, Aaron Rodgers and Alex Morgan.

This is not that story.

This is the story of how 12 years of hubris, apathy and astounding mismanagement turned a once-shining mansion into a smoldering vat of ashes, with Oregon and Washington now following UCLA and USC to the Big Ten and Utah, Arizona and Arizona State set to join Colorado in the Big 12.

 

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Just months after that 2011 Stanford-Oregon game, the conference broke ground on a San Francisco studio facility for the soon-to-launch Pac-12 Networks. Former stars like Ronnie Lott and Marshawn Lynch joined commissioner Larry Scott in lofting ceremonial power drills. This was to be a seminal moment in Scott’s rebranding of the old, sleepy, Pac-10 Conference into a cutting-edge national trendsetter.

“It will feel ‘West Coast.’ Modern,” Scott said of the network that day.

But the conference’s next 12 years felt a lot like that studio building — a vacant space full of unrealized potential.

 

Spoiler

Upon the retirement of longtime Pac-10 commissioner Tom Hansen in 2009, Pac-10 presidents looked outside their industry and hired Scott, then CEO of the Women’s Tennis Association. Their mandate: Raise the profile of a proud conference long hindered by its time zone and an outdated TV contract (remember Fox Sports Net?).

Almost immediately, he wowed them. First, with an audacious and nearly successful attempt to lure Big 12 powers Texas and Oklahoma out West and form a 16-team conference, ultimately adding Colorado and Utah to become the Pac-12. Then, he stunned the industry by luring ESPN and Fox into a bidding war with Comcast that quadruped the league’s previous annual TV revenue.

 

From that point forward, the presidents, led by Scott’s principal champion, Arizona State’s Michael Crow, gave him anything he wanted — and what he wanted most was to launch a media company that he would run for a princely salary (eventually $5.3 million).

Scott’s ill-advised strategy to launch the Pac-12 Networks without a proven media partner like ESPN has been well-documented. The bizarre seven-channel model struggled to gain distribution and never came close to delivering its projected revenue figures. It became an albatross from which league members could never escape.

But it wasn’t just Scott who screwed this up. As The Athletic recounted last year, the league in 2015 had a deal in hand to finally get the network on DirecTV — and the presidents, led by Crow, rejected it. Were this the SEC, they would not have been allowed back at work the next day. But that’s not how they do things out west.

 

It’s a lazy stereotype to say that West Coast fans “don’t care” about football. They absolutely do. They’re just not as devoutly religious about it as, say, Auburn fans, who will show up and tune in whether the Tigers are 10-2 or 2-10. And many of the Pac-12’s football programs gave their fans reason to tune out for much of the 2010s.

Most notably, longtime powerhouse USC became a poster of dysfunction from the day Pete Carroll left in 2009 to when Lincoln Riley arrived in 2022. Oregonand Stanford eventually leveled off, the latter more dramatically than the former. Washington had a brief moment under Chris Petersen, as did Wazzu under Mike Leach. But UCLA was irrelevant, the Arizona schools invisible, and Colorado was just plain terrible.

Utah, the league’s saving grace, has been good enough to win the conference the past two years but not great enough to reach the College Football Playoff — a recurring theme. The conference failing to produce a CFP entrant for six consecutive seasons (and counting) did immense damage to its national brand. So did a 1-8 bowl season in 2017 and one nonconference face plant after another.

Elite West Coast recruits began leaving for Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State. Apathy began sinking in. But not just apathy. Angst.

Other conferences have endured their moments as the punchline. The Big Ten was the “slow” conference from roughly 2007-13. The Big 12 had its “One True Champion” era. But Scott himself became the human face of the Pac-12’s woes, mocked and criticized for a long list of fiascos — standing by his general counsel, Woodie Dixon — after he inexplicably overruled an in-game officiating review; staying in a $7,500 Vegas hotel suite during the conference basketball tournament; taking a $2.2 million bonus shortly before laying off or furloughing half the conference staff in 2020.

The presidents could have pulled the plug on Scott at any point along the way but instead largely ignored the issues and went on with their lives. Again: apathy.

Scott finally was forced out in 2021, replaced by yet another search-firm special, George Kliavkoff, then president of entertainment and sports at MGM Resorts International in Vegas.

The terminally upbeat executive had no idea the extent of the mess he was walking into. Distrust. Unpaid bills. (We later found out the network owed Comcast tens of millions in overpayments.) And, just a few weeks into the job in July 2021, massive upheaval across college sports.

That being said, nearly every move he made to try to clean it up was more baffling than the previous.

When Oklahoma and Texas left the Big 12 for the SEC, the Pac-12 could have been an aggressor and fortified itself for the future by adding strong athletics schools like TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State. Instead, it stood pat. That fall, Kliavkoff entered into the now-infamous handshake “Alliance” with the ACC and Big Ten.

That winter, Kliavkoff, who had said in his introductory news conference he would push for an expanded Playoff, became one of three commissioners to vote against it. The delay pushed its now-impending arrival back to 2024 instead of 2023 when its champion this fall would have automatically qualified.

Then came the big one: USC and UCLA to the Big Ten. It’s debatable whether he could have done anything to stop it; those wheels were set in motion during the Scott heyday. But from that point forward, Kliavkoff had just one job — negotiate a lucrative enough television deal to keep the conference together.

 

He failed spectacularly.

The first sign of trouble passed largely unnoticed: Whereas then-brand new Big 12 counterpart Brett Yormark brought in the big guns — WME Sports and IMG Media — to work on the league’s media strategy, Kliavkoff hired a boutique firm, Sports Media Advisors, run by a guy named Doug Perlman. It just so happens Kliavkoff and Perlman were classmates at University of Virginia law school. Within months, the Big 12 and its schools, whose current contract runs a year longer than the Pac-12’s, managed to jump the line and secure extensions with ESPN and Fox that gobbled up potential time slots and put a target — $31.7 million per school — on the Pac-12’s back.

Signs of trouble began leaking out last fall. Kliavkoff and his advisers reportedly opened talks with ESPN and Fox asking for an entirely unrealistic number — closer to the SEC’s than the Big 12’s. He naively held out hope the UC Board of Regents would block UCLA’s exit. And to the befuddlement of media consultants everywhere, he insisted on completing a deal before inviting potential new members, leaving San Diego State and others hanging in the wind.

Way back in December, he suggested the deal had been delayed because he knew Colorado was about to hire Deion Sanders and up the league’s value. Seven months later, we finally know the real reason — there never was a deal. Or at least not one his members would approve.

By all accounts, Kliavkoff genuinely was blindsided that Colorado chose to leave when it did, days before he was set to present networks’ final offers. He also genuinely believed he would go into the room Tuesday, present a unique offer from Apple — by which the members would make far more than their Big 12 counterparts if they met certain subscription thresholds — and everyone would rush to sign a new grant of rights.

 

This was his sales pitch to a room full of schools that a dozen years earlier let Kliavkoff’s predecessor sell them on overly optimistic Pac-12 Network subscriber targets. It’s no wonder that within days, five of the remaining nine had accepted invites to conferences that could tell them exactly how much they’ll make.

The whole thing is sad, surreal and just downright bizarre. Arizona State and Utah clearly don’t want to go to the Big 12. Oregon, according to multiple people with knowledge of its deliberations, loved the idea of trying to become the top dog in a smaller conference. Now it’s going to be one of 18 and have to compete for Playoff berths with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC and others.

But in the end, all of them felt they had no choice. And now Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State are left behind.

The Pac-12, like the Southwest Conference, the WAC and the Big East before it, is passing on from the major college football earth. Cause of death: gross failure of leadership.

 

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, BachelorTrek said:

Wow, ASU has slowly reduced their stadium to 53,599 now from 74,865 in 1989.

I remember when Sun Devil Stadium, as it was called then, was in the 3-year-ish-field rotation for Super Bowls.

Kentucky in the SEC reduced their stadium from 68k to 61k, which was below their usual attendance (mid 60s).

Stanford about 20 years ago dropped from 90,000 to 50,000.

[USC Traveler 488]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

basically Ohio and Pennsylvania being the exceptions

You sure PA is an exception ?

PSU is a good school, but it's not in Penn's league (figuratively or literally.)

PSU is a much bigger school, so I guess it has more physical assets, but the value of a Wharton MBA vs a PSU MBA ?  Not close.

Without looking, I would assume Penn has a much bigger endowment also.

Edited August 4, 2023 by USC Traveler

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

3 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

And as soon as the ratings aren't what they hoped for (yes, they'll be your narcissists that watch so the ratings will be non-zero), the pie for the have-nots shrinks, and I wouldn't be surprised if that could happen during the contract since ESPN won't take a bath on this.

Ratings are going to go up the more these moves are made. People want to see competitive football between like-minded programs and then have the best of those teams play for a title. 

Blowouts do not get good ratings.

Rigged championships turn people away, even if they still get fairly good ratings.

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, gatormarc said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Florida loses at least 5k in this upcoming $400M revision.

It's always been tight in the bleachers but butts are wider and Florida is getting hotter.

I used to hate sitting in the "cheap seats" in Sunshine Terrace (upper north endzone) but we sat there several games last season and having chairbacks plus room for air to flow sold me on those even though the perspective isn't as good as being on the sides.

Tennessee could sure stand to lose a few thousand seats.  Its really tight in Knoxville and none of us are that big.

[BachelorTrek 2933]

1 minute ago, bullet said:

Kentucky in the SEC reduced their stadium from 68k to 61k, which was below their usual attendance (mid 60s).

Stanford about 20 years ago dropped from 90,000 to 50,000.

I remember seeing pictures of the fault-line cracks in the Stanford stadium before the renovations, which now they have a tougher road to pay off since they've been..... Left Behind.

[Okie State 3788]

And as soon as the ratings aren't what they hoped for (yes, they'll be your narcissists that watch so the ratings will be non-zero), the pie for the have-nots shrinks, and I wouldn't be surprised if that could happen during the contract since ESPN won't take a bath on this.

If you're one of the haves, why would you even care about this? I don't get the obsession. We're irrelevant to you yet you can't help but hope we become...more irrelevant. Or something. Strange way to live.

[BachelorTrek 2933]

Just now, Okie State said:

8 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

And as soon as the ratings aren't what they hoped for (yes, they'll be your narcissists that watch so the ratings will be non-zero), the pie for the have-nots shrinks, and I wouldn't be surprised if that could happen during the contract since ESPN won't take a bath on this.

If you're one of the haves, why would you even care about this? I don't get the obsession. We're irrelevant to you yet you can't help but hope we become...more irrelevant. Or something. Strange way to live.

And you're on a TEXAS board complaining about it.  Lulz.

[CastHorn 793]

On the bright side, if the SEC goes to 18-20, we might get our own Southwest division. It would be nice to maintain some regional pride separate from those ugly folks down south. 

[Okie State 3788]

And you're on a TEXAS board complaining about it.  Lulz.

Oh, right. Only Texas fans post here. Forgot that rule.

[Welshy 907]

10 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

What is now the best academic school in the new Big 12?  Kansas?

Lulz.

Er...new BIG? Big 12 has as many AAU schools as the SEC and, hilariously, 3 more than the PAC. Big 12 = BIG-light!!!!!!!! Say hello to the second smartest conference in major college sports!

Academic superiority hasn't done much for Stanford in terms of the new athletic landscape.  

 

 

[Welshy 907]

18 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Yeah that’s about $140million the MWC schools would have to payout plus $40million the AAC schools would have to payout to join WSU/OSU/Cal/Stanford.

Those fees are more than Apple will pay for this new conference makeup.

A PAC/MWC merger seems like the obvious choice at this point:

Hawaii, SDSU, Fresno, SJSU, Cal, Stanford, OrSU, WSU, Boise, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyo, CO St, Air Force, New Mexico

 

They keep A5 status and can negotiate a new TV deal and likely get someone in the playoff in 24/25.

A solution regarding MWC merger is the MWC inviting the remaining and rebranding as PAC and voiding all the Legals for the new league.

[Hank_Hill 18484]

39 minutes ago, Deej said:

Sounds like shit I read about the WNBA every year. 

Yea the Big 12 is now a “good fundamentals” league. 

[BurntOrange&White 39567]

 

 

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, Richard Kimball said:

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/ranking-pac-12-teams-by-average-attendance-in-2022#gid=ci02b8bac4200125d6&pid=12-washington-state

Attendance stats for the PAC from 2022 show that B1G is getting the top three, (USC, Washington, Quack) B12 should be taking the next four, (Colorado, Arizona, the Arizona State fighting crows, and the Utah Youts) then B1G gets UCLA. Of the last four who don't have landing spots, Cal is the only one that drew over 30,000 per game. 

Of the top 25 teams in home attendance, Florida State, Clemson, Notre Dame and Virginia Tech are the only ones that aren't in either the SEC or B1G, or are committed to them for the future, and Clemson is the highest non SEC/B!G at #14. 

https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/lists/top-25-college-football-teams-in-home-attendance-for-2022-season/

Shows a clear demarcation. ACC is top heavy, but they're going to die on the vine if they don't figure out a way to get out of the contract. UCF being better funded than FSU drove them crazy. 

Big 12+1 4 year averages (based on official changes)

Iowa State	Big12	58,463
BYU	Big12	58,336
Texas Tech	Big12	54,681
Oklahoma State	Big12	54,027
West Virginia	Big12	53,327
Kansas State	Big12	49,022
Colorado	Big12	46,178
Baylor	Big12	44,261
TCU	Big12	42,960
UCF	Big12	42,444
Cincinnati	Big12	35,490
Kansas	Big12	29,600
Houston	Big12	26,456

 

ACC

Clemson	ACC	80,363
Florida State	ACC	62,060
Virginia Tech	ACC	60,238
N Carolina State	ACC	55,942
Miami, FL	ACC	53,240
North Carolina	ACC	47,501
Louisville	ACC	46,456
Pittsburgh	ACC	46,286
Virginia	ACC	42,672
Georgia Tech	ACC	39,957
Syracuse	ACC	38,124
Boston College	ACC	35,574
Wake Forest	ACC	28,154
Duke	ACC	23,097

 

Pac 9

Washington	Pac12	65,571
Oregon	Pac12	52,756
Utah	Pac12	49,167
Arizona State	Pac12	46,792
Arizona	Pac12	41,019
California	Pac12	40,320
Stanford	Pac12	35,127
Oregon State	Pac12	32,414
Washington State	Pac12	27,009

[bullet 1596]

SEC 4 year averages

Alabama	SEC	100,095
LSU	SEC	99,266
Texas A&M	SEC	99,100
Texas	SEC	96,550
Georgia	SEC	92,764
Tennessee	SEC	91,942
Auburn	SEC	85,394
Florida	SEC	84,842
Oklahoma	SEC	82,905
South Carolina	SEC	74,277
Arkansas	SEC	62,665
Kentucky	SEC	56,209
Mississippi	SEC	55,741
Mississippi State	SEC	54,389
Missouri	SEC	51,667
Vanderbilt	SEC	26,746

 

Big 10

Michigan	Big10	110,301
Penn State	Big10	106,335
Ohio State	Big10	101,687
Nebraska	Big10	87,798
Wisconsin	Big10	75,313
Michigan State	Big10	69,896
Iowa	Big10	67,407
Southern Cal	Big10	58,877
Purdue	Big10	54,651
UCLA	Big10	45,606
Indiana	Big10	44,010
Minnesota	Big10	43,816
Rutgers	Big10	40,817
Illinois	Big10	37,783
Maryland	Big10	35,352
Northwestern	Big10	35,246

[Welshy 907]

20 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Then why are they paying $30M per school? It’s fine to say you won’t watch, but to say nobody will watch is stupid af. There are tens of millions of NFL fans who laugh at the thought of college football, and the average NFL game will double the ratings of the higher rated college games. Doesn’t mean “nobody” watches.l college football.

Schools and games in the 600k-2m range are valuable to networks. Top shows like succession get 2m viewers. To say there is no value there is pretty silly. Fucking cornhole is on espn pretty regularly, and network ratings are dog shit on saturday. Tournaments and college football are the ONLY Saturday draw. ESPN and Fox aren't a charity. If you want to know how fine tuned they are, look at the big12 deal and the lack of a pac deal. They aren't overspending. Content is scarce. 

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

The University of State is always a more valuable property than State State University. Website out front shoulda told ya.

(Yes this is only true 95% of the time, but good rule of thumb)

I think its true everywhere but the Dakotas and a few states where they called their flagship State U (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Louisiana).

[BurntOrange&White 39567]

 

Big hit the black friday sale hard

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

28 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

 

For realignment sickos like myself, we're never going to see another day like today.

 

Just wait until the ACC explodes like a supervolcano. There are potentially 11 schools with Big 3 criteria. This will be the current NCAA's last stand. Whether the NCAA survives in name or not is anyone's guess. What's not up for debate is there's going to be a major overhaul in the rules and the way they are formed.

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

BYU has the most Mormons.

Baylor has the most rapes.

ISU has the most corn.

Well if you are going into existing schools, I might rate TCU above ASU.  Certainly on a per capita basis.

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2630]

10 minutes ago, bullet said:

Big 12+1 4 year averages (based on official changes)

Iowa State	Big12	58,463
BYU	Big12	58,336
Texas Tech	Big12	54,681
Oklahoma State	Big12	54,027
West Virginia	Big12	53,327
Kansas State	Big12	49,022
Colorado	Big12	46,178
Baylor	Big12	44,261
TCU	Big12	42,960
UCF	Big12	42,444
Cincinnati	Big12	35,490
Kansas	Big12	29,600
Houston	Big12	26,456

 

ACC

Clemson	ACC	80,363
Florida State	ACC	62,060
Virginia Tech	ACC	60,238
N Carolina State	ACC	55,942
Miami, FL	ACC	53,240
North Carolina	ACC	47,501
Louisville	ACC	46,456
Pittsburgh	ACC	46,286
Virginia	ACC	42,672
Georgia Tech	ACC	39,957
Syracuse	ACC	38,124
Boston College	ACC	35,574
Wake Forest	ACC	28,154
Duke	ACC	23,097

 

Pac 9

Washington	Pac12	65,571
Oregon	Pac12	52,756
Utah	Pac12	49,167
Arizona State	Pac12	46,792
Arizona	Pac12	41,019
California	Pac12	40,320
Stanford	Pac12	35,127
Oregon State	Pac12	32,414
Washington State	Pac12	27,009

Holy shit  no idea houston was that shitty 

[BachelorTrek 2933]

1 minute ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

Holy shit  no idea houston was that shitty 

We've been trying to tell you.

[BurntOrange&White 39567]

3 minutes ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

Holy shit  no idea houston was that shitty 

I am a huge fan of Scheer

 

 

 

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Stanford football was a doormat before Harbaugh, the portal or NIL. Their historic resting spot in football is mediocre irrelevance. Independence for them will render them totally and completely worthless as an FBS program. If they can’t hold their nose and join the MWC and rebrand it the Pac Whatever, then they will and should go the Ivy League route. 

That’s not what Texas does. That won’t be what Texas does. 

Stanford, probably because of academic standards, is always up and down.

Records:

1990s 60-54-2

2000s 47-69

2010s 98-35

[Hank_Hill 18484]

14 minutes ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

Holy shit  no idea houston was that shitty 

Well the stadium literally has/had cracks in it. I wouldn’t go to that shit hole either

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Big 10 took advantage of a bargain...

Oregon, Washington agree to massive financial discounts in accepting invitations to Big Ten

SCOTT ROUSSEL         14 MINUTES AGO

 

Basically, they got the Rutgers deal, except Big 10 makes a lot more than when they signed up Rutgers.  Rutgers had a $205 million buy-in.  Rutgers also had nowhere else to go.

[BachelorTrek 2933]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

Well the stadium literally has/had cracks in it. I wouldn’t go to that shit hole either

Yep, it really doesn't matter if that shithole area has gentrified or not, the same criminal elements tool around there on Scott & Elgin Streets, Wheeler Avenue, Cullen & MLK Boulevards and look at all the new buildings for a second before they look for their next mark.

[Deej 76524]

13 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Well the stadium literally has/had cracks in it. I wouldn’t go to that shit hole either

The stadium, or Houston?

[Welshy 907]

1 minute ago, Deej said:

The stadium, or Houston?

Yes.

*obligatory

[Richard Kimball 1492]

4 minutes ago, bullet said:

Basically, they got the Rutgers deal, except Big 10 makes a lot more than when they signed up Rutgers.  Rutgers had a $205 million buy-in.  Rutgers also had nowhere else to go.

That's one of the reasons these negotiations go until the last minute. Oregon and Washington will be getting about what they would have gotten joining the B12 during the first contract. Pretty sure they were holding out for a higher share, and kept waiting for B1G to blink. B1G didn't blink, so when they had the meeting to sign the PAC grant of rights, Oregon and Washington folded. 

BTW, @bullet thanks for posting those attendance numbers. 

[The Ace of Aces 5106]

Fuck the Big 12 and all

buuuuuuut they easily could be dissolved and instead put together a fun as hell conference with midmajor type programs.

When the ACC implodes like that submarine in a few years, that’ll be the final domino in what we know as the modern college football setup imo. 

[Gidnik 3251]

31 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

 

That’s pretty sad

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

1 hour ago, BachelorTrek said:

Wilner thought that none of this was going to happen, and as the story evolved, his commentary sounded more and more like Denial.

He also sounded annoyed that this upset his PAC-world or interrupted his vacation, or all of the above.

Listening to that Entitled Fuckstick eat crow on the post-mortem will be gold!  Can't wait!   Lulz.

Wilner knew all along what was going to happen IMO. That is what's wrong with our media.

Wilner delivered a story that kept his agenda driven sources happy. He knew the full story and never told it.

It's the plain-pleasure principle. Wilner delivered a story within the worldview of a large list of subscribers out West. In other words, his subscriber base has gone way up since this all started.

He has no integrity. It's all about making money at the cost of telling the truth. There are very few real journalists and media members left in our society today.

[Gidnik 3251]

 

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, USC Traveler said:

You sure PA is an exception ?

PSU is a good school, but it's not in Penn's league (figuratively or literally.)

PSU is a much bigger school, so I guess it has more physical assets, but the value of a Wharton MBA vs a PSU MBA ?  Not close.

Without looking, I would assume Penn has a much bigger endowment also.

Well Penn is private so I wasn't counting them.

[AeroHorn 735]

6 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Apple wouldn't sell many Stanford streaming packages in Silicon Valley: nerdy white guys and Indian developers don't watch much football. 

I guess every rule has an exception.

[Satchel 6908]

You never get the cigars to admit it, but they’d much rather have Texas hobsnobbing  with their academic and cultural peers in the B1G while pulling in a cool 67 million to do it.