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2023 Texas Transfer List (Updated 4/17 3:05pm) On3 Transfer Portal Wire: https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/football/2023/  Visit our friends at On3 for more in depth and complete portal coverage. This is the quick hits for Texas-related transfers only. Out: Offense QB Hudson Card, OL Andrej Karic, WR Trey Omeire, OL Logan Parr, OL Junior Angilau, WR Agiye Hall, WR Brenen Thompson Defense CB Jamier Johnson, DE Prince Dorbah, DE DJ Harris, S JD Coffey, LB Devin Richardso
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1 hour ago, Professor Chesney said:

“Offered…over a million dollars to pull him over to another team” is not “indirect” inducement, it is plain inducement.  Which, whatever you think the consequences will actually be, is against the NIL rules as written.  I don’t think anyone here finds the idea of directly tampering with opposing players who have not entered the portal appealing or noble.  But it may very well encourage a race to the bottom if there are no consequences and the behavior continues.

Hiroshima-style carpet bombing the other Texas schools with leaflets advertising how much the average O-Lineman gets paid at UT would be more of an indirect inducement.

 

37 minutes ago, blutow said:

I'm guessing that is someone's interpretation of what happened, I doubt the $ folks were dumb enough to be that direct.  Regardless of how it went down in the Utah case, I think it's fair to say that many of these NIL deals (recruiting, retention, or portal) are obviously indirect inducement that fall within the current rules.  I don't like it, but the box is open and I don't see a clear way to regulate it.  It's too grey/subjective.  If a company CEO pushes for a lucrative NIL deal for a recruit or transfer, is it inducement if that CEO is a Texas Ex?  If the company only does business in central TX and will only give NIL deals for kids playing at Texas, is that just smart business or is that inducement?  Unless they find a way to put up some guard rails, I'm of the opinion that you play the game (within the rules) as aggressively as possible.  Get the best lawyers and put strong oversight in place.  I don't think this current NIL model is sustainable long term, but watching the world pass you by while "trying to be noble" will be a losing approach.  

Exactly what NCAA rule do y'all think is broken when someone who is neither a representative of a school nor a booster informs a player that he would receive a $500k NIL deal if he came to play in a certain city? 

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Whittington is coming back. You guys can thank the NIL machine and some of the really big backers behind it. Remember this kind of stuff the next time dipshits like Herbstreit or Liucci want to bag on

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56 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

 

Exactly what NCAA rule do y'all think is broken when someone who is neither a representative of a school nor a booster informs a player that he would receive a $500k NIL deal if he came to play in a certain city? 

You are correct and I am mistaken: it doesn’t look like there is NCAA rules on point.  I confused it with the Texas NIL statute language, but there is arguably ambiguity with respect to whether it covers enrolled collegiate athletes and is only limited to Texas.  

 

Sec 91.5246(j): No individual, corporate entity, or other organization
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(1)enter into any arrangement with a prospective student athlete relating to the prospective student athlete’s name, image, or likeness prior to their enrollment in an institution of higher education;or
(2)use inducements of future name, image, and likeness compensation arrangement to recruit a prospective student athlete to any institution of higher education.

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16 hours ago, Professor Chesney said:

“Offered…over a million dollars to pull him over to another team” is not “indirect” inducement, it is plain inducement.  Which, whatever you think the consequences will actually be, is against the NIL rules as written.  I don’t think anyone here finds the idea of directly tampering with opposing players who have not entered the portal appealing or noble.  But it may very well encourage a race to the bottom if there are no consequences and the behavior continues.

Hiroshima-style carpet bombing the other Texas schools with leaflets advertising how much the average O-Lineman gets paid at UT would be more of an indirect inducement.

 

13 hours ago, Professor Chesney said:

You are correct and I am mistaken: it doesn’t look like there is NCAA rules on point.  I confused it with the Texas NIL statute language, but there is arguably ambiguity with respect to whether it covers enrolled collegiate athletes and is only limited to Texas.  

 

Sec 91.5246(j): No individual, corporate entity, or other organization
may:
(1)enter into any arrangement with a prospective student athlete relating to the prospective student athlete’s name, image, or likeness prior to their enrollment in an institution of higher education;or
(2)use inducements of future name, image, and likeness compensation arrangement to recruit a prospective student athlete to any institution of higher education.

This still missed the point, though. If the offer came from a collective, not a coach or anyone involved with the Alabama program, then there’s no one for the NCAA to punish, regardless of whether it runs afoul of an NCAA rule or a law. 

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24 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

This still missed the point, though. If the offer came from a collective, not a coach or anyone involved with the Alabama program, then there’s no one for the NCAA to punish, regardless of whether it runs afoul of an NCAA rule or a law. 

How can a collective not be involved with a specific sports program? I get the argument but at some point we have come to grips a localized collective is only there to facilitate a relationship between the public and the student athletes, with the both the students and therefore the school gaining a benefit.

That level of legislation is going to very hard to hammer out for the NCAA, but there is no way around the fact that the collectives will be labeled as some special form of booster or some sort of other catechism sooner rather than later.

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6 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

How can a collective not be involved with a specific sports program? I get the argument but at some point we have come to grips a localized collective is only there to facilitate a relationship between the public and the student athletes, with the both the students and therefore the school gaining a benefit.

That level of legislation is going to very hard to hammer out for the NCAA, but there is no way around the fact that the collectives will be labeled as some special form of booster or some sort of other catechism sooner rather than later.

Not to go Cloak Room - but its like a PAC.  The collective doesn't have any connection to the university other than they're fans (obviously, just like a PAC there is backroom conversations and coordination - but nothing that could be proven in court).  When they sign a player to an NIL deal its not with the player and university - they're just signing the player.  No different than a car dealership signing a kid to drive around in their car.

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35 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Not to go Cloak Room - but its like a PAC.  The collective doesn't have any connection to the university other than they're fans (obviously, just like a PAC there is backroom conversations and coordination - but nothing that could be proven in court).  When they sign a player to an NIL deal its not with the player and university - they're just signing the player.  No different than a car dealership signing a kid to drive around in their car.

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15 hours ago, Professor Chesney said:

You are correct and I am mistaken: it doesn’t look like there is NCAA rules on point.  I confused it with the Texas NIL statute language, but there is arguably ambiguity with respect to whether it covers enrolled collegiate athletes and is only limited to Texas.  

 

Sec 91.5246(j): No individual, corporate entity, or other organization
may:
(1)enter into any arrangement with a prospective student athlete relating to the prospective student athlete’s name, image, or likeness prior to their enrollment in an institution of higher education;or
(2)use inducements of future name, image, and likeness compensation arrangement to recruit a prospective student athlete to any institution of higher education.

That all seems pretty squishy to me.  

"Enrollment in an institution of higher education" has some teeth, but could probably be addressed by an athlete signing up for an online class at the local community college. 

#2 just serves as a guideline for how to execute this stuff.  Everyone understands that many NIL deals are about inducement.  #2 just says you can't be explicit about it.    

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20 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

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Yeah, we will have Worthy and then I have no clue who will be the other guys. The TE room will be the best we have had. The OL will be solid. QB and running back will be very good. With good WRs, it should be one of Texas' best ever offenses. And the following year, it may be even better.

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9 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah, we will have Worthy and then I have no clue who will be the other guys. The TE room will be the best we have had. The OL will be solid. QB and running back will be very good. With good WRs, it should be one of Texas' best ever offenses. And the following year, it may be even better.

Worthy, Neyor and Cook. Would be hilarious if we pulled Stewart out of the portal

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1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

We need 3 portal WRs, if Worthy wants to leave, let him leave. He is a great #2, but he's not an elite guy. Inconsistent hands, lazy routes, and little ability to track the ball and adjust to it.

Don’t do this. 

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Don’t do this. 

You are right, I am pissed. He's an amazing talent, but he needs to put in a lot of work to get better at the position. Right now, he's likely a 4th round draft pick in the NFL.

This team badly needs Evan Stewart if he enters the portal.

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30 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

We need 3 portal WRs, if Worthy wants to leave, let him leave. He is a great #2, but he's not an elite guy. Inconsistent hands, lazy routes, and little ability to track the ball and adjust to it.

 

27 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Don’t do this. 

Personally, I'm more worried about the bad look of X transferring, vs. losing him as a player.  

I don't want to lose him as a player because he's still productive, although he's got plenty of room for improvement, but, at this stage, a "star" player with a national profile transferring out of Austin just looks bad.   Pay him whatever it takes to keep him around. 

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So we are going to see an aggy greatest class of all time discount sale, and legal NIL gets to become a major factor. 

Get the popcorn ready because the first group (4 or 5 right now) is most likely the appetizer.

The real question is the O/U on total transfers?

Im going 15 not including medical retirements or declaring for the draft 

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18 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So we are going to see an aggy greatest class of all time discount sale, and legal NIL gets to become a major factor. 

Get the popcorn ready because the first group (4 or 5 right now) is most likely the appetizer.

The real question is the O/U on total transfers?

Im going 15 not including medical retirements or declaring for the draft 

The Sleeping Giant has holes in his pockets.

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On 10/11/2022 at 9:44 AM, closetojumping said:

 

In 2024, Texas gets Michigan at home in week 2, will play OU in the Cotton Bowl, will be playing ATM, Arkansas, and some of Georgia, LSU, Bama, Tenn, Florida. They will be on the national stage constantly. Every JR worth a fuck will have multiple chances to elevate their NFL prospects in ways almost no other school can offer. 

The expanded playoff happening more sooner than later will be a boon for teams working within the portal who are also playoff contenders. I think it also helps limit their exposure to poachers.

Am I living under a rock and am the only person who doesn’t know for sure that we will be playing in the SEC in 2024, or did CTJ just spill a duck load of beans? 

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26 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

Yes he was: https://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/Atascocita-tight-end-Landen-King-commits-to-Texas-15227731.php

Gee that's a shame that Bama aggy didn't work out for him.

And Jay Boulware as his recruiter, TE coach. That’s a name I’d forgotten. Good grief, will we finally get out from under this heap of piling shit the last 13 years??

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10 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

Yes he was: https://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/Atascocita-tight-end-Landen-King-commits-to-Texas-15227731.php

Gee that's a shame that Bama aggy didn't work out for him.

Was he also the same year that Chris Thompson got bagged by Auburn? I thought that kid was going to be a baller

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Was he also the same year that Chris Thompson got bagged by Auburn? I thought that kid was going to be a baller

agreed. he is now a linebacker at USC after portaling from Auburn. has played in 2 games this year and has 1 total tackle.

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29 minutes ago, NoName said:

agreed. he is now a linebacker at USC after portaling from Auburn. has played in 2 games this year and has 1 total tackle.

His dad was the one that pushed him away from UT right?  He already had shot the commitment video with the phone.. was supposed to pick up right where the JQJ commitment video ended.

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Florida Twitter says he punched a teammate. He’s a transfer from Georgia but I’m sure getting a waiver from the NCAA to get immediate eligibility wouldn’t be difficult. Not sure how many players with baggage or character concerns this staff is willing to bring in but he would obviously be a huge upgrade at EDGE/ Edge/ edge/ ED/ DE.

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