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Jedd Fisch is good.

Hugh Freeze.... interesting.

I'd party with Hugh.  We know Hugh can cheat and can recruit and can fuck.  I don't care much for the fucking (though I do love the whoors) but I'm good with cheating and recruiting.  Anything for 7-5 with an 8-9 win season once every 5 years.

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Would B12 have to approve a Hugh Freeze hire??

That's above my pay grade.  I tapped out once I organized the campaigns for getting the old AD fired.  Still have $1400 in unused funds from that.  Long fired our coach the week before we started a new campaign.  Going to have a hell of a tailgate for the boys over at Phog.net for the home opener next year.

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3 minutes ago, Thermos H. Christ said:

Cool, but that is actually kind of a terrible hire, I think. His whole thing was owning the state of Louisiana (the best per capita recruiting ground in the country) and running a caveman offense with huge athletic freaks that would just push people around and run them over. When he couldn't win with brute force, he couldn't win. He is like the last coach I would hire at a school that will always be at a talent disadvantage.

If I was Kansas I'd be looking at triple option guys or something. They need a gimmick, something that can mess with a more talented team that isn't used to seeing it.

Going triple option is the last thing you should do at the P5 level unless you want your ceiling to be .500. Always go Air Raid or V/S, those at least give you a punchers chance to accomplish something significant such as possibly competing for a conference title. His success will be all his assistants, you'll know as soon as he announces the hires whether the plane will get off the ground. If I was him I would call Graham Harrell and another OC (I'd have to search more) and make them Co-OCs and let them bounce ideas off each other letting Graham learn. I actually think Doug Meacham would be great in that role but it would be a little awkward for him to return to where he was just fired.

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They went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with the Air Raid. Yes, they avoided Texas and OU that year, but that's still outstanding for that program.

Don't make shitty hires and you won't have shitty results. Iowa State out front shoulda told you.

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1 minute ago, Machinator said:

They went 12-1 and won a BCS bowl with the Air Raid.

 Don't make shitty hires and you won't have shitty results. Iowa State out front shoulda told you.

That was in 2007 though, when the air raid was a gimmick people weren't really used to. Now practically the whole conference is air raid/veer and shoot type offenses. The whole conference has designed their defenses to deal with that. The whole conference prepares for and plays against that every week, against better players than Kansas will have. I don't know that triple option specifically is the answer, but I stand by their best hope being to come up with something that will let them gimmick their way to a few conference wins each year.

Kansas is in way worse shape than Iowa State was before Campbell.

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That was in 2007 though, when the air raid was a gimmick people weren't really used to. Now practically the whole conference is air raid/veer and shoot type offenses. The whole conference has designed their defenses to deal with that. The whole conference prepares for and plays against that every week, against better players than Kansas will have. I don't know that triple option specifically is the answer, but I stand by their best hope being to come up with something that will let them gimmick their way to a few conference wins each year.

Kansas is in way worse shape than Iowa State was before Campbell.

They need a fresh approach,  I agree, I just think the default answer of "use the triple option" is lazy.

Realistically, what I see happening is that Les Miles will inject the program with talent and stabilize the program while donors and fans re-engage with the program, then KU will find some young up-and-coming coordinator or G5 HC to take over when he inevitably plateaus.

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4 minutes ago, Machinator said:

They need a fresh approach,  I agree, I just think the default answer of "use the triple option" is lazy.

Realistically, what I see happening is that Les Miles will inject the program with talent and stabilize the program while donors and fans re-engage with the program, then KU will find some young up-and-coming coordinator or G5 HC to take over when he inevitably plateaus.

Get the biggest 350+ uncoordinated linemen and TEs no one picked up to fall forward with one of their b-ball centers under center to lean for 3 yards and a cloud of dust every down.  

 

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37 minutes ago, Thermos H. Christ said:

Cool, but that is actually kind of a terrible hire, I think. His whole thing was owning the state of Louisiana (the best per capita recruiting ground in the country) and running a caveman offense with huge athletic freaks that would just push people around and run them over. When he couldn't win with brute force, he couldn't win. He is like the last coach I would hire at a school that will always be at a talent disadvantage.

If I was Kansas I'd be looking at triple option guys or something. They need a gimmick, something that can mess with a more talented team that isn't used to seeing it.

 

Yup. They need a young, energetic, creative, Mike Leach type. 

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9 minutes ago, Machinator said:

They need a fresh approach,  I agree, I just think the default answer of "use the triple option" is lazy.

Realistically, what I see happening is that Les Miles will inject the program with talent and stabilize the program while donors and fans re-engage with the program, then KU will find some young up-and-coming coordinator or G5 HC to take over when he inevitably plateaus.

I think that's safe to say.  We are in a dire situation that most don't realize.  We can only hand out 15 schollys next year and we will start the offseason with 38 or so players on scholly.  We have one 3 star recruit committed.  We are in a lot of trouble and it is believed that we had less than 10k fans at homecoming.

The reason to bring in a solid figure like Les is to attract the right assistants because of the perceived stability.  Let's get the roster right, get the fans enthused, build a solid 5 year foundation.  If Les is going to bowl games then let him stay as long as he wants.  If he isn't then phase him out and have something solid for the next guy to build on.

There is nothing wrong with admitting the circumstances and the 5-7 year plan is to get back to a bowl.  I'm more than happy with Miles.  Hiring someone like Applewhite and him failing here might just kill the program completely.

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4 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

I think that's safe to say.  We are in a dire situation that most don't realize.  We can only hand out 15 schollys next year and we will start the offseason with 38 or so players on scholly.  We have one 3 star recruit committed.  We are in a lot of trouble and it is believed that we had less than 10k fans at homecoming.

The reason to bring in a solid figure like Les is to attract the right assistants because of the perceived stability.  Let's get the roster right, get the fans enthused, build a solid 5 year foundation.  If Les is going to bowl games then let him stay as long as he wants.  If he isn't then phase him out and have something solid for the next guy to build on.

There is nothing wrong with admitting the circumstances and the 5-7 year plan is to get back to a bowl.  I'm more than happy with Miles.  Hiring someone like Applewhite and him failing here might just kill the program completely.

Yeah I understand it. There are no sure things in football other than Saban and Belichick. But he has to get his staff right, and he has to get it right from the start.

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1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Yeah I understand it. There are no sure things in football other than Saban and Belichick. But he has to get his staff right, and he has to get it right from the start.

If we get Les then fans and admin needs to shut up and never tell him to move on a coordinator.  We desperately need to show the country that we can achieve some continuity.  WE gave Beaty 4 years but he changed assistants for 2 years with everyone but his best friend, our all time worst DC.

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6 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

I think that's safe to say.  We are in a dire situation that most don't realize.  We can only hand out 15 schollys next year and we will start the offseason with 38 or so players on scholly.  We have one 3 star recruit committed.  We are in a lot of trouble and it is believed that we had less than 10k fans at homecoming.

The reason to bring in a solid figure like Les is to attract the right assistants because of the perceived stability.  Let's get the roster right, get the fans enthused, build a solid 5 year foundation.  If Les is going to bowl games then let him stay as long as he wants.  If he isn't then phase him out and have something solid for the next guy to build on.

There is nothing wrong with admitting the circumstances and the 5-7 year plan is to get back to a bowl.  I'm more than happy with Miles.  Hiring someone like Applewhite and him failing here might just kill the program completely.

Not sure why y'all only have 15 schollys next year with only 38 scholly players returning in offseason??  

Gonna need a heck of a JUCO, Grad Transfer recruiter for sure..... 

Critical for KU to announce this hire quickly so 2019 KU recruiting class can be somewhat salvaged.....

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14 minutes ago, Machinator said:

There are no sure things in football other than Saban and Belichick.

Oh please. There are plenty of coaches that would do well anywhere - especially in the NFL. Herm Edwards has ASU rolling right now and he hadn't coached in years. Carroll may have lost his touch but Tomlin, McVay, BoB, Reid are all guys that could take a program and turn it around at the college level easily imo. 

Then you have the Swinneys, Meyers, Harbaughs of the world that while maybe not a sure thing at other schools would be a pretty damn safe bet. 

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9 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Not sure why y'all only have 15 schollys next year with only 38 scholly players returning in offseason??  

Gonna need a heck of a JUCO, Grad Transfer recruiter for sure..... 

Critical for KU to announce this hire quickly so 2019 KU recruiting class can be somewhat salvaged.....

I'm not sure either but that is how badly mismanaged the roster has been.  Beaty was very deceptive about the roster for 3 years and then finally came clean this August when he had a new boss.  We lose 25 this year and started with 63 on scholly.  That's without attrition.  Beaty also used up grey/blue shirts.  We aren't a football school so I'm not sure how that works but apparently that is why we can only bring in 15 in this class.

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Oh please. There are plenty of coaches that would do well anywhere - especially in the NFL. Herm Edwards has ASU rolling right now and he hadn't coached in years. Carroll may have lost his touch but Tomlin, McVay, BoB, Reid are all guys that could take a program and turn it around at the college level easily imo. 

Then you have the Swinneys, Meyers, Harbaughs of the world that while maybe not a sure thing at other schools would be a pretty damn safe bet. 

OK, but how many "sure things" are going to coach at Kansas?

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I'm not sure either but that is how badly mismanaged the roster has been.  Beaty was very deceptive about the roster for 3 years and then finally came clean this August when he had a new boss.  We lose 25 this year and started with 63 on scholly.  That's without attrition.  Beaty also used up grey/blue shirts.  We aren't a football school so I'm not sure how that works but apparently that is why we can only bring in 15 in this class.

Here's your answer, courtesy of The Athletic.  In short, Beaty and Company used blue shirts and other means like a credit card, and he maxed it out:

 

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The rule is simple: You can’t sign more than 25 scholarship players a year. And to get from 38 to 85, you need a lot more than 25 a year to begin closing the gap. So Beaty and his Kansas staff have had to get creative.

The tactic that’s yielded the most success thus far: blueshirts. This is a strange practice, one introduced years ago by New Mexico State’s football and compliance staffs. Blueshirt players pay for their tuition and housing in the summer and are put on scholarship on the first day of school. By not signing a national letter of intent before beginning classes, they’re counted toward the following year’s recruiting class. But unlike a grayshirt player, they get to enroll and play right away.

To qualify for a blueshirt, though, they technically cannot be recruited by Kansas. How exactly do you add a player without triggering his recruitment? The prospect can’t make an official visit. The coaches can’t have any in-person, off-campus visits with that prospect. They can’t send him a written scholarship offer or a National Letter of Intent, either. Instead, it takes unofficial campus visits, calls and texts to secure these prospects.

All in all, it’s a bizarre workaround. But at least five of Kansas’ starters last season — Hakeem Adeniji, Andru Tovi, Larry Hughes, Mike Lee and Cole Moos — joined the program as blueshirt players. Graduate transfers Corey King, Marcquis Roberts and Denzell Evans came in that way, too. The staff has taken around eight blueshirt players each year. They need all the extra help they can get.

Another method to help catch up: persuading players to walk on for two years and putting them on full scholarship for the final three. This helps because after two years, that scholarship does not count toward the 25-player annual limit. For walk-ons paying in-state tuition (roughly $10,000 a year), three years of cost-of-attendance stipend money can help offset those costs. Kansas has found a handful of players who were looking at FCS and Division II offers and willing to accept that deal.

“We looked at those guys and said: Is this guy better than the dude we have here?” Beaty said. “If he is, it’s probably less expensive for him to come here than it is for him to go to a Division II school if we think he might be able to develop.”

They’ve also tried to find graduate transfers who are willing to pay their way for the first semester and then be put on post-graduate aid to get their master’s degree. The Jayhawks lucked out last year in finding one in Nebraska transfer Zach Hannon, who logged six starts on the offensive line.

No other Big 12 team needs these kinds of ploys to reload its roster.

 

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2 hours ago, Texas25 said:

Going triple option is the last thing you should do at the P5 level unless you want your ceiling to be .500. Always go Air Raid or V/S, those at least give you a punchers chance to accomplish something significant such as possibly competing for a conference title. His success will be all his assistants, you'll know as soon as he announces the hires whether the plane will get off the ground. If I was him I would call Graham Harrell and another OC (I'd have to search more) and make them Co-OCs and let them bounce ideas off each other letting Graham learn. I actually think Doug Meacham would be great in that role but it would be a little awkward for him to return to where he was just fired.

I still think a triple option that incorporates a pass option would be awesome. The logistics and reads would be a bitch early on, but could be unstoppable.

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8 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Here's your answer, courtesy of The Athletic.  In short, Beaty and Company used blue shirts and other means like a credit card, and he maxed it out:

 

 

Apparently at Kansas there is another option. Has something to do with shoe companies, something, something. 

Though it really doesn’t matter to me if they do bend the rules some. For a fan base to suffer as they have, fuck it let them alone. Besides if truth be known it is a safe bet that far worse is being done at other programs. 

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7 minutes ago, Hamttx said:

Apparently at Kansas there is another option. Has something to do with shoe companies, something, something. 

Though it really doesn’t matter to me if they do bend the rules some. For a fan base to suffer as they have, fuck it let them alone. Besides if truth be known it is a safe bet that far worse is being done at other programs. 

Once upon a time, Baylor.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

I still think a triple option that incorporates a pass option would be awesome. The logistics and reads would be a bitch early on, but could be unstoppable.

I've often wondered what the wishbone could do in today's game at a blue blood program since it hasn't been seen in forever. Problem is you would have a hard time recruiting. Plus the triple option is just flat out boring to watch. One thing that would help Kansas sell tickets, even if they don't win games, would be to field a good offense. Losing 52-49 is a lot more exciting than losing 21-17. Kansas the last several years not only has sucked but have just been flat out boring to watch.

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Crazy thoughts for KU OC... Kendal Briles ($400k currently), Rhett Lashlee, Graham Harrell, or getting creative Skip Holtz ( $700,000 current salary).

Could create a Coach in waiting  3-4yrs out for OC......

 

JayHawk fan tells me one of their posts mentions Todd Monken as possible OC since he coached with The Mad Hatter at Okie Lite and LSU.  Monken is at Tampa Bay right now..... Speculation is he won't get to return next Season.

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3 hours ago, Thermos H. Christ said:

That was in 2007 though, when the air raid was a gimmick people weren't really used to. Now practically the whole conference is air raid/veer and shoot type offenses. The whole conference has designed their defenses to deal with that. The whole conference prepares for and plays against that every week, against better players than Kansas will have. I don't know that triple option specifically is the answer, but I stand by their best hope being to come up with something that will let them gimmick their way to a few conference wins each year.

Kansas is in way worse shape than Iowa State was before Campbell.

They were also the #4 defense in 2007 and put a decent number of players to the NFL during that stretch. Yeah bro they were TERRIBLE.

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Funny note...... New OC under Herm Edwards at Arizona State is Rob Likens who was previously at Kansas.

Rob Likens, a 25-year veteran of the college football coaching ranks and a former assistant coach in the Pac-12 Conference, enters his first season as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach after serving as the Sun Devil's wide receivers coach for one season. 

"There was no doubt in my mind that Rob Likens was the man we needed to step up and fill this role as offensive coordinator," Edwards said. "Coach Likens provides much needed consistency and stability as we continue to build our staff.  He has been heavily involved in the offensive game planning and play-calling and the improvement on offense this season with Coach Likens as Co-Offensive Coordinator speaks for itself.   I have quickly learned that Rob cares deeply for these young men.  I am excited to work with Rob as we continue to build upon this program."
 
This will be the sixth offensive coordinator position of Likens' career.

A veteran orchestrator on the offensive side of the ball, Rob Likens joined Kansas football head coach David Beaty's staff in the role of offensive coordinator in January 2015.  Likens, who has 25 years of experience of collegiate coaching to his credit, has served as the offensive coordinator at five different schools prior to arriving in Tempe.

Likens went to KU in 2015 after completing his second season as the assistant head coach and outside receivers coach at the University of California with Sonny Dykes in 2014, and his first with the additional responsibilities of passing game coordinator.

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2 hours ago, Jhawk said:

I'm not sure either but that is how badly mismanaged the roster has been.  Beaty was very deceptive about the roster for 3 years and then finally came clean this August when he had a new boss.  We lose 25 this year and started with 63 on scholly.  That's without attrition.  Beaty also used up grey/blue shirts.  We aren't a football school so I'm not sure how that works but apparently that is why we can only bring in 15 in this class.

How does that work? Are the schools not required to offer 85 scholarships at the D1 level? And it is pretty egregious that a P5 school would not offer 85. I would think the conference would mandate it.

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How does that work? Are the schools not required to offer 85 scholarships at the D1 level? And it is pretty egregious that a P5 school would not offer 85. I would think the conference would mandate it.

 

posted earlier under a tab.....

Here's your answer, courtesy of The Athletic.  In short, Beaty and Company used blue shirts and other means like a credit card, and he maxed it out:

 

The rule is simple: You can’t sign more than 25 scholarship players a year. And to get from 38 to 85, you need a lot more than 25 a year to begin closing the gap. So Beaty and his Kansas staff have had to get creative.

The tactic that’s yielded the most success thus far: blueshirts. This is a strange practice, one introduced years ago by New Mexico State’s football and compliance staffs. Blueshirt players pay for their tuition and housing in the summer and are put on scholarship on the first day of school. By not signing a national letter of intent before beginning classes, they’re counted toward the following year’s recruiting class. But unlike a grayshirt player, they get to enroll and play right away.

To qualify for a blueshirt, though, they technically cannot be recruited by Kansas. How exactly do you add a player without triggering his recruitment? The prospect can’t make an official visit. The coaches can’t have any in-person, off-campus visits with that prospect. They can’t send him a written scholarship offer or a National Letter of Intent, either. Instead, it takes unofficial campus visits, calls and texts to secure these prospects.

All in all, it’s a bizarre workaround. But at least five of Kansas’ starters last season — Hakeem Adeniji, Andru Tovi, Larry Hughes, Mike Lee and Cole Moos — joined the program as blueshirt players. Graduate transfers Corey King, Marcquis Roberts and Denzell Evans came in that way, too. The staff has taken around eight blueshirt players each year. They need all the extra help they can get.

Another method to help catch up: persuading players to walk on for two years and putting them on full scholarship for the final three. This helps because after two years, that scholarship does not count toward the 25-player annual limit. For walk-ons paying in-state tuition (roughly $10,000 a year), three years of cost-of-attendance stipend money can help offset those costs. Kansas has found a handful of players who were looking at FCS and Division II offers and willing to accept that deal.

“We looked at those guys and said: Is this guy better than the dude we have here?” Beaty said. “If he is, it’s probably less expensive for him to come here than it is for him to go to a Division II school if we think he might be able to develop.”

They’ve also tried to find graduate transfers who are willing to pay their way for the first semester and then be put on post-graduate aid to get their master’s degree. The Jayhawks lucked out last year in finding one in Nebraska transfer Zach Hannon, who logged six starts on the offensive line.

No other Big 12 team needs these kinds of ploys to reload its roster.

 

 
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Les to KU recruiting wise makes a lot of sense.  He knows the state of Lousyanna, and there are tons of mid level 2* and 3* players there that would easily be 4* standouts in KS.  He should be able to pull 10 3* from KS every year.  5 per class, in state OL that can be built into monsters through SC to start stepping in late soph/early junior redshirt seasons, buid a local pipeline and then 5 more skill players from around the state.  Kids here would go to KU to play for a known coach like Miles.  Kansas City area is booming with athletes, Wichita is having issues keeping up with the competition level because more KC schools are playing at higher levels, but there is still a handful of athletes that come out of the WCL every year that go D-1.

12-15 kids / year from Wichita, Salina, KC area, 5-8 from Mizery, Iowa, Nebraska leftovers, 5 skill from LA.  Boom, easy peasy.

Les could pull in 4-8 xfers / yr. with the new xfer rules as well.  He can definitely promise early playing time.

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Les Miles as Lee Corso replacement possibility??

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/16/18098117/les-miles-lsu-buyout-kansas-coaching-rumors

There’s another theory here as well:

The other thought is that Les Miles is really taking his future in films and TV seriously as his next career move. Part of the buyout stipulated that Miles had to be “actively searching” for a new coaching job to continue to receive his buyout.

Miles’ agent has certainly earned his keep, with Miles’ name showing up on just about every job search list the last 2 years, however briefly, giving him the appearance of at least looking for new jobs. But Les has also been working in films, his podcast empire with his daughter, and multiple one-off appearances on college football media shows on ESPN and FOX networks.

If Les is heading for a permanent role on TV, such as the long rumored/fan dream of him replacing a retiring Lee Corso on College Gameday, it’s tough for him to then turn around and convince LSU that he’s still “actively looking” for a new coaching job.

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