Upward Failures

[Tex Long 4308]

This thread insisted upon itself as a result of another thread regarding a certain coach who absolutely defines the appellation, one Chad Morris.

I'll start with Jeff Fisher, although there are plenty of others, in both college and pro ranks.

Whadda ya got?

 

 

[Eggo 3974]

Kliff Kingsbury

[SizzleChest 8275]

Jason Garrett.  Duh.

[tx ind 6955]

You rang?

[JFKFC 4875]

[po elvis 2070]

17 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Jason Garrett.  Duh.

I don't agree. Garrett went from Cowboy OC to Cowboy head coach. Got fired. Went back to being an OC with the Giants. Got fired.

Same with Chad Morris. He worked his way up to college OC. Got head coach job at SMU. Got head coach job at Arkansas. Fired. Took a HS job. 

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NM.

Edited May 14, 2022 by slorch

[Herpa Derpa 6102]

[Gigglebush 107]

45 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Kliff Kingsbury

Who after 3 full seasons with (at the time of his hiring) the worst team in the NFL is now 24-24-1 in the regular season. He's been surprisingly solid, especially compared to guys like Urban, Spurrier, Holtz and Petrino.

Cardinals actually just gave him a 5 year extension.

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I posted a rebuttal towards the KK post as well, then deleted it, thinking maube I misunderstood the thread.

I haven't read the Chad Morris thread.  

"Upward failure" could mean a couple different things.

Edited May 14, 2022 by slorch

[po elvis 2070]

12 minutes ago, slorch said:

I posted a rebuttal towards the KK post as well, then deleted it, thinking maube I misunderstood the thread.

I haven't read the Chad Morris thread.  

"Upward failure" could mean a couple different things.

I think Kingsbury is the ultimate upward failure. At least how I am understanding the term. He failed in college, fired by Tech, and then landed an NFL head coaching job. I don't think the term has anything to do with how he has done in the NFL, just that he failed in college and despite of it, moved up.

[956 Worldwide 34207]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

This thread insisted upon itself as a result of another thread regarding a certain coach who absolutely defines the appellation, one Chad Morris.

I'll start with Jeff Fisher, although there are plenty of others, in both college and pro ranks.

Whadda ya got?

 

 

Jeff Fisher isn’t an upward failure.  He’s someone who peaked early in his career.  He turned the Oilers/Titans from terrible to very good— close SB loss and then an AFCCG.  Then he lost what he had going. He kept getting chances because the NFL recycles anyone who’s had a glimmer of success but he did get close to the peak then rolled down. 

Edited May 14, 2022 by 956 Worldwide

[Aqua Buddha 14460]

1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

I seem to have a name I want to say, but I just can't place it.  Oh, wait...

Beat me to it by one minute, damn it all.  Oh, well:

[LTtxfan 48766]

Hopefully...

[LTtxfan 48766]

[LTtxfan 48766]

Mike White...

 

[LTtxfan 48766]

[Bullneck 18901]

2 hours ago, Eggo said:

Kliff Kingsbury

He took the Cards to the playoffs last year.  Maybe he's a good coach but Tech is a hard place to win?

[956 Worldwide 34207]

I don’t think anyone who’s won or played for an NCAA or NFL championship as an HC can be said to have failed upward. They can be said to fall off, but fail upward to me has to be reserved for someone who has no to modest accomplishments at every step but keeps getting moved up or remaining at the highest level. 

Adam Gase is one.  He was good in Denver (OC) , mediocre in Chicago (OC), not good in Miami (HC), terrible for NYJ (HC). 

[LTtxfan 48766]

[LTtxfan 48766]

[Born Burnt 6144]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Jeff Fisher isn’t an upward failure.  He’s someone who peaked early in his career.  He turned the Oilers/Titans from terrible to very good— close SB loss and then an AFCCG.  Then he lost what he had going. He kept getting chances because the NFL recycles anyone who’s had a glimmer of success but he did get close to the peak then rolled down. 

Fisher failed at not being a fuckface.

[Ignatius 3989]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

BOB did a pretty good job bringing Pedo State back. That being said, NFL-wise he was a mediocre HC at best and is an all-time top 5 worst GM, in spite of his relatively short track record on the latter…

[jetsfan76 681]

Amy Schumer. Wrong thread?

[Aqua Buddha 14460]

This begins and ends with Seven Win Now Seven Loss but Sober Steve Sarkisian.

[Viper 11987]

4 hours ago, Gigglebush said:

Who after 3 full seasons with (at the time of his hiring) the worst team in the NFL is now 24-24-1 in the regular season. He's been surprisingly solid, especially compared to guys like Urban, Spurrier, Holtz and Petrino.

Cardinals actually just gave him a 5 year extension.

still doesn't mean he didn't fail upward to an NFL job

[Aqua Buddha 14460]

No black coaches mentioned.  I wonder why.  Must be a coincidence.

[Eggo 3974]

A lot of Kingsbury fans in here. 

[DeadArmadillo 907]

Texas A&M to the SEC

[closetohumping 17336]

52 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

No black coaches mentioned.  I wonder why.  Must be a coincidence.

[PhillyD 1257]

Todd Graham has to be ranked fairly high in any such list.  If you follow his career, he  consistently had what I would call acceptably mediocre "success" and somehow moved up the coaching ranks.  I've never understood why anyone hired him.

[pyrohornIII 4782]

4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

I don't see aggy as an upward trajectory.  Money and contract wise, yeah, but not football prestige.  

[Ghost of Shag 2561]

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

No black coaches mentioned.  I wonder why.  Must be a coincidence.

I’ll raise you a Charlie Strong.

[Davis Lane 5529]

5 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Wrong.

[theBigHen 362]

Coach O

[Davis Lane 5529]

[SizzleChest 8275]

2 minutes ago, Davis Lane said:

He’s just an upward asshole.

[Chico_SA 515]

Not sure "upward failure" applies to Chad Morris.  He did his thing. 

[Lymanward 55]

burt

 

[hobbes2702 12730]

10 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

I seem to have a name I want to say, but I just can't place it.  Oh, wait...

Can’t believe it took that long 

[ousux 5581]

I terms of money only, but like Mack did to us, he did a wonderful job of burning the noles program to the ground on the way out of town.

[Loop 1604 227]

Charlie Strong
Shaka Smart

[TreatyOak 16127]

7 hours ago, Davis Lane said:

Wrong.

I keep forgetting that this actually happened. This has to be one of the most embarrassing things Aggy has ever done, and that’s saying a lot. I wonder if Jimbo was embarrassed about this. 
 

[Underdog 28364]

15 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Think one could make a strong argument that going from GB to Dallas is a step down. 

[WhatTheBuck 28691]

7 hours ago, Lymanward said:

burt

 

You think going from Wisconsin to Arkansas to Illinois is an upward path?

[Underdog 28364]

Burt failing upwards… 

 

[lemonandaturd 4284]

Gerry Faust

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9 hours ago, Underdog said:

Think one could make a strong argument that going from GB to Dallas is a step down. 

It would be a failed argument, an an argument just the same.

[formermav43 4599]

I’d like more clarification from the op on what this is all about. Chad Morris was a very successful high school coach who moved to an effective college OC to HC at SMU where he improved every year to 2 dismal seasons at Arkansas. He’s fired and is back in high school.

He was successful basically every step of the way till Arkansas and then he moved back down the ladder. I guess I don’t understand what we mean by an upward failure for him to “absolutely define the appellation.”

Edited May 15, 2022 by formermav43