[News/Updates] Mass Shooting at Robb Elementary Uvalde - 5/24/2022

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Yep. Here the google map view of this school. Each of these buildings must have at least 2 entry/exit points not counting windows that could be turned into an entry point. It must be a challenge to simultaneously protect students from a potential intruder but also protect them from the more realistic situation of needing to escape a fire (and escape from a shooter.) 

I doubt there is a perfect answer when you're constrained by budgets.

Oh, there's a perfect answer, and it has nothing to do with budgets unless you're talking about campaign budgets. But yeah, it isn't about re-designing schools. 

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Yep. Here the google map view of this school. Each of these buildings must have at least 2 entry/exit points not counting windows that could be turned into an entry point. It must be a challenge to simultaneously protect students from a potential intruder but also protect them from the more realistic situation of needing to escape a fire (and escape from a shooter.) 

I doubt there is a perfect answer when you're constrained by budgets.

Oh, there's a perfect answer, and it has nothing to do with budgets unless you're talking about campaign budgets. But yeah, it isn't about re-designing schools. 

[irishtexan 11,519]

30 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

My daughters elem was like that. But they had a big fence that only allowed access through the office.

Probably wouldn’t have been too hard to show up with a ladder for the fence.

I've been assured that a big fence would keep all immigrants out of America and that ladders don't work on fences.

Boom. Problem solved.

 

[Neonmoon 38,129]

Maybe if we relocated all schools to supermax prisons, we could keep guns out of them. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

A few gofundmes

one of the teachers

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ygcdaa-for-garcia-family

One of the students

https://www.gofundme.com/f/please-help-us-put-our-newly-angel-to-rest

For those that can use the Zelle app. 
 

 

[Wally Pryor 5,261]

Eva Mireles, 44

Uziyah Garcia, 8

 

Xavier Lopez, 10

 

Rojelio Torres, 10

 

Nevaeh Bravo

 

Irma Garcia, 46

 

Makenna Elrod, 10

 

Amerie Jo Garza, 10

 

Eliahana ‘Eliajha’ Cruz Torres, 10

 

Annabell Guadalupe Rodriguez, 10

 

Ellie Lugo, 10

 

Jayce Carmelo Luevanos, 10

 

Jailah Nicole Silguero, 11

 

Alithia Ramirez, 10

 

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

God damnit. God damnit. 

[Nicole44 22,060]

Well fuck…here comes the water works again…fuck….the tshirt on that last little Bitty, Alithia…

”Peace out single digits I’m 10!” Damnit damnit damnit…

[South Austin 52,509]

Jesus Christ. 

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

Fuck this world.

[Harrison Bergeron 1,798]

Honestly, I had to scroll past the pictures. Maybe in a couple of days.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

i wonder how many are first generation americans whose parents came to the US in the hopes of providing a better life for them. a lot of emotions right now...extreme sadness/depression, anger, shame, all of it.  

[Pato del Muerto 52,499]

I can see my kids in every one of those. 

[Vegas64 675]

I can't handle those pictures. Heartbreaking.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

Something I thought about today.  Did you know you cant carry a personal firearm on a military base?  I don't just mean Joe Q. Public, I mean errbody.  This isn't a general policy for the logistics clerks on Fort Hood, I mean this extends to our most highly trained Delta operators on bases like Bragg.  Even if you live on base in housing or the barracks. You cant even store weapons in your living quarters.  For those that aren't tracking, I'm not talking about an AR, I mean pistol, shotgun, etc.  You have to register all weapons with the MPs, and then have those weapons stored with your unit armorer if you live on base.  To use a shooting range on base, you have to again, register the weapon with the MPs, carry that weapon in locked storage in your trunk, and go to the range, finish your shooting, and then get the fuck back off base (or return it to the armorer for those that live on base). You don't get to drive to burger king and grab a bite with a weapon in your vehicle.  I wont even get into all the hoops you have to jump through to access actual military weapons.  

The most highly trained people we have in the use of weapons aren't trusted to store a pistol in their house, or carry one in their vehicle while on a military installation.  Doesn't matter if they are an 18 year old private or a 40 year old highly decorated green beret.  I would assume its very similar for police stations wrt to the carrying of firearms in the building.  Its beyond odd that our most trained weapon users have stronger gun control policies than the public.  

[sidis 9,828]

i genuinely wish i had some magical power to make it such that every single person in this country was required to do nothing but look at those pictures for the next week.  over and over and over.  maybe the scum that populate k street and the corridors of every state and federal legislative and judicial building would discover some humanity.  i wish those pictures were everywhere.

despair is too easy a word.  i can't contemplate a society that could possibly tolerate this.  and yet, here i am.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

Just now, sidis said:

i genuinely wish i had some magical power to make it such that every single person in this country was required to do nothing but look at those pictures for the next week.  over and over and over.  maybe the scum that populate k street and the corridors of every state and federal legislative and judicial building would discover some humanity.  i wish those pictures were everywhere.

despair is too easy a word.  i can't contemplate a society that could possibly tolerate this.  and yet, here i am.

Not those pictures, they should have to look at the crime scene pictures.  Make people understand the level of violence that was perpetrated on their tiny bodies.  Its easy for people to T&P away those smiling photos.  Make people face the violence they are brushing aside with platitudes.  

[sidis 9,828]

that picture of jailah silguero haunts me.  all of them do but i cannot help but lose complete control looking at that picture.

there can genuinely be no justice in the world in which these children had to endure that terror...that the last day of their lives are over and the beauty throughout them all and every one of those pictures has been extinguished.  that suffering and fear that they undoubtedly felt.

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

Beautiful kids, all those pictures capture the joy and happiness of that age. the smiles and pride of their uniforms !!!!  The happiness of making the honor roll !!!  The funny tshirts. 
 

hopefully they can Rest In Peace after being taken way too early. May their families and the town find peace this summer. A summer all those kids were looking towards, but will never experience 
 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Well fuck…here comes the water works again…fuck….the tshirt on that last little Bitty, Alithia…

”Peace out single digits I’m 10!” Damnit damnit damnit…

i thought I was done last night 

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

Eliahana ‘Eliajha’ Cruz Torres was going to be on the Uvalde HS softball team ! 
 

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

One of my nieces just made the honor roll and took the exact same pic as that girl. Same huge smile. I hope she was showered with love praise mine my niece was 

fucking brutal 

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

Beto O’Rourke just interrupted abbots press conference and made a scene. The news media hasn’t identified him yet. 

[CHEF DIESEL 126]

Bob The Mexican really stepped into it this time. What an idiot.

[SuperSport 1,333]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Beto O’Rourke just interrupted abbots press conference and made a scene. The news media hasn’t identified him yet. 

Watching the presser live, NBC News did.

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

1 minute ago, SuperSport said:

Watching the presser live, NBC News did.

CNN hasn’t. But they also haven’t cut from the press conference yet either. And apparently it was the mayor of uvalde that cussed him out and demanded he leave. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[Zepol87 9,186]

Man those pictures are brutal. Fuck

[immamac 42,851]

 

 

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

Damn, just hit me. all the photos of kids with their honor roll certificates, those pics were taken about an hour before they were murdered

[Wally Pryor 5,261]

 

Constable David Valdez embraces Uvalde Justice of the Peace Eulalio Diaz as Diaz breaks down recounting having to identify the bodies of 19 children after they were shot by a gunman on May 24, 2022, in Uvalde, Texas.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Wally Pryor

[Rip76 4,928]

Uh man.

[Hermanator 7,050]

7 hours ago, Balcones said:

Uvalde is a town of 16,000 people.

The school district has its own police department.

https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120

The primary goal for the Uvalde CISD Police Department is to maintain a safe and secure environment for our future leaders to learn and our current leaders to educate while forming partnerships with students, teachers, parents, and the community while enforcing laws and reducing fears. We are committed to supporting the district's mission, to the highest level of professionalism, integrity and improve the quality of work by providing employees with effective leadership, supervision, and training.

Color me shocked

[Enchubben 5,510]

This is the news thread right?  Right?

I still haven't seen anything released on motive, has that been hinted at anywhere yet other than the history of him shooting his grandmother for an unknown reason?  I did see on reddit (a neighbor maybe) considered the kid a loner.

[used2b 249]

24 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Damn, just hit me. all the photos of kids with their honor roll certificates, those pics were taken about an hour before they were murdered

 

[Braff Zacklin 13,575]

6 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Perhaps we should just have an all volunteer teaching model.  I mean then they'd REALLY want to teach.  

JFC, that's stupid. 

I agree--an "all volunteer" teaching model would be stupid.

[Braff Zacklin 13,575]

6 hours ago, irishtexan said:

Dear people who do an essential and thankless job that I'm too lazy and unqualified to do,

Enjoy this shit pay so we all have the peace of mind knowing you're doing this for the "right reasons." Hope you don't get killed by a lunatic acting as a human shield protecting my kid. Enjoy being poor.

Sincerely, 

Braff Zacklin

If you're going to willfully misinterpret what is stated, then at least have the courtesy to sign your own name.

I had wonderful teachers. Still remember most by name, even though I'm approaching 50. They were unquestionably underpaid, but I don't believe they were undervalued ... at least, not by my peers and their parents.

[irishtexan 11,519]

6 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

If you're going to willfully misinterpret what is stated, then at least have the courtesy to sign your own name.

I had wonderful teachers. Still remember most by name, even though I'm approaching 50. They were unquestionably underpaid, but I don't believe they were undervalued ... at least, not by my peers and their parents.

Oh, you see, that was parody. I was pretending to be you and making fun of the stupid thing you said - "No question that educators are underpaid.... in a way, it's a good thing because it ensures that those who teach do so for the right reasons." That's what you said. That incredibly fucking shitty thing about it being a good thing teachers are underpaid. Then you double down in the above post by talking about how valued teachers are. Try paying for groceries with "value". 



 

[Braff Zacklin 13,575]

28 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Oh, you see, that was parody. I was pretending to be you and making fun of the stupid thing you said - "No question that educators are underpaid.... in a way, it's a good thing because it ensures that those who teach do so for the right reasons." That's what you said. That incredibly fucking shitty thing about it being a good thing teachers are underpaid. Then you double down in the above post by talking about how valued teachers are. Try paying for groceries with "value". 

To me, it's stupid that you keep twisting it that way, but this is an emotionally charged topic and you're apparently looking for a pound of flesh, so I guess I understand.

Can we agree that most of those who become educators don't do so for financial enrichment? Something else draws them to the occupation.

Most teachers I know as an adult (and knew as a youth) are selfless, patient types who make tremendous personal sacrifices for the greater good. They're some of the most idealistic, altruistic people I know.

Would you agree with those sentiments? If so, do you still feel that sort of person would be the norm for the profession if the base pay were, say, $100K/year?

In other words, teachers' pay may be shitty, but their motivations are not. That's a good thing, in my view. It's unfortunate you feel otherwise.

[Hmbre97 6,308]

14 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

 

Would you agree with those sentiments? If so, do you still feel that sort of person would be the norm for the profession if the base pay were, say, $100K/year?

 

You serious Clark? If teacher base pay were $100k, it would IMPROVE the quality of teaching/teachers. I'm sure there are scores of people who would make excellent teachers that can't do it for financial reasons. You'd increase the pool of candidates and schools could be more selective of who they hire/fire based on that instead of now where they are forced to take anyone that received their teaching certificate and can fog a mirror. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Hmbre97

[Captainant 27,669]

Haven't seen this discussed much in the news thread...

What the fuck were the cops doing? They just followed the shooter inside? 

[irishtexan 11,519]

1 minute ago, Braff Zacklin said:

To me, it's stupid that you keep twisting it that way, but this is an emotionally charged topic and you're apparently looking for a pound of flesh, so I guess I understand.

Can we agree that most of those who become educators don't do so for financial enrichment? Something else draws them to the occupation.

Most teachers I know as an adult (and knew as a youth) are selfless, patient types who make tremendous personal sacrifices for the greater good. They're some of the most idealistic, altruistic people I know.

Would you agree with those sentiments? If so, do you still feel that sort of person would be the norm for the profession if the base pay were, say, $100K/year?

In other words, teachers' pay may be shitty, but their motivations are not. That's a good thing, in my view. It's unfortunate you feel otherwise.

My wife's a counselor and was a special ed teacher, so I'm acutely aware of their their dedication, motivation, the challenges they face, etc.

I understand you think you were praising teachers. And yes, it is a good thing that teachers are motivated despite their low pay. we collectively "value" their dedication to a job that pays little with almost zero opportunity for meaningful salary increase over the course of a career. You see that as some sort of altruistic sacrifice they are making for the greater good. 

But teachers don't want your gratitude. They want to be "valued" not with your words and target gift cards during teacher appreciation week, but with resources necessary to do their job. Relative to this thread that means more security guards/cops at school, and tighter security restrictions. It also means not having to teach in portable classrooms. It means fewer students per class. It means not having to pay for school supplies out of their own pockets. It means dedicated TAs to help with classroom instruction and grading papers, which they have to do after hours at home at night after already working a 10 hour day. It means not protesting and/or threatening them if they're teaching the sometimes uncomfortable history of our country, or if they acknowledge and accept the sexuality or gender preferences of their students. They want the tools they need to do their job. And we don't equip them with that. 

And for too long we've taken for granted that "idealistic, altruistic" people will take these essential jobs and teach our kids for us. But I'm not sure how much longer we can expect that. There are currently 573 open teacher positions in AISD alone. And a very large percentage of those aren't going to get filled for the next school year. And it's because we don't pay them enough for them to have to deal with the shit I outlined in the previous paragraph. You ask if I still think qualified and dedicated candidates would want to become teachers if the pay was $100k/year? FUCK YES I do! The more you increase compensation, the higher likelihood you will attract a larger number of more qualified candidates. It's fucking basic economics! If we paid teachers $100k per year, you could count the number of teacher openings on two hands. And maybe then teachers could afford to live in the same city as they kids they teach. 

I know you aren't bagging on teachers. But we have to stop appreciating teachers with our words and start doing it with $$$. It's just more "thoughts and prayers". 

Sorry for the rant and to derail a thread that's about dead kids. That's all I'll say on the subject. 

[Braff Zacklin 13,575]

2 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

I understand you think you were praising teachers. And yes, it is a good thing that teachers are motivated despite their low pay. we collectively "value" their dedication to a job that pays little with almost zero opportunity for meaningful salary increase over the course of a career. You see that as some sort of altruistic sacrifice they are making for the greater good.

I am praising teachers, even if you feel I'm not simply because I don't fly into a condescending rage when someone mentions how underpaid they are.

Nowhere have I said I don't feel they deserve more pay, or that I'd be opposed to across-the-board pay raises for educators. I'm behind all of that ... but I will disagree with you and @Hmbre97 that the quality of teachers would be improved if base pay were, say, doubled.

Anyway, one thing we can agree on is that we've derailed this enough, so my apologies for contributing. You or anyone else is welcome to message me privately or neg me publicly if you feel further scolding is warranted.

[closetohumping 17,442]

3 hours ago, Enchubben said:

This is the news thread right?  Right?

I still haven't seen anything released on motive, has that been hinted at anywhere yet other than the history of him shooting his grandmother for an unknown reason?  I did see on reddit (a neighbor maybe) considered the kid a loner.

Apparently economically challenged and possibly a cross dresser?  Not sure how that works in south Texas but seems like it wouldn't be fun.  Also, Chicago:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-shooting-texas-abbott-says-chicago-nyc-crime-gun-laws-not-solution?fbclid=IwAR0Mex9epdArkWYOoL_CuSBUPKRUuVI6pUMO6ucPu4M-oj2nB_sI4xJlmH8

 

[Deej 76,796]

Remove if this needs to go somewhere else, but a guy I work with is from Uvalde and went to Robb. He said if you want to give, this link has a legit place to do so and all of your donation money will go to the families.

https://www.kktv.com/2022/05/25/how-you-can-help-families-uvalde-following-robb-elementary-school-shooting/

[F250 28,777]

12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Apparently economically challenged and possibly a cross dresser?  Not sure how that works in south Texas but seems like it wouldn't be fun.  Also, Chicago:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-shooting-texas-abbott-says-chicago-nyc-crime-gun-laws-not-solution?fbclid=IwAR0Mex9epdArkWYOoL_CuSBUPKRUuVI6pUMO6ucPu4M-oj2nB_sI4xJlmH8

 

I believe the cross dresser rumor is false.

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

1 minute ago, F250 said:

I believe the cross dresser rumor is false.

 

It’s irrelevant. 

[F250 28,777]

4 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

It’s irrelevant. 

If it's false information it should be pointed out in the News/Information thread which is this thread.

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

If it's false information it should be pointed out in the News/Information thread which is this thread.

 

Oh I meant even if he did, it’s irrelevant 

[Neonmoon 38,129]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

If it's false information it should be pointed out in the News/Information thread which is this thread.

 

The person in those photos already came forward and said he is in fact, not the dead shooter. 
 

here is the link

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Neonmoon

[atomheartbevo 89,672]

6 hours ago, immamac said:

 

 

Abbott's comment about the Facebook posts was.......partially true.  They were private messages in FB messenger sent one-on-one to somebody else.  Nobody was going to see them outside of the two people involved.