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  On 6/1/2022 at 5:04 PM, tbone_ said:

 


How about we lock them in a room with a psycho 18 yo with a couple of fully loaded ar15s for 90 minutes.

 

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Silly rabbit, we only do that to children.  Cops don't face any consequences, for anything.  You know the rules around here.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/01/us/uvalde-shooting.html
 

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  On 6/7/2022 at 5:45 PM, achooloco said:
I’d say this was the most important part: 
 
"They're cowards," Reyes said. "They sit there and did nothing for our community. They took a long time to go in… I will never forgive them."

I believe I said this several hundred posts earlier in this thread and GW Hayduke took great offense to it. Fuck him. And fuck the people that said “to serve and protect, but me first.”
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  On 6/7/2022 at 7:13 PM, NAVY said:

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This is the 100% unvarnished, unexaggerated truth.

I've heard firsthand facts of the crime scene and what this piece of shit did to these children to render them essentially unrecognizable.

Writing "LOL" on the walls in their blood.

America need to SEE the carnage. 

And even then, you are kidding yourself if you think any action will be taken. This whole discussion is just pissing into the wind.

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  On 6/7/2022 at 8:17 PM, 4th and 5 said:

And even then, you are kidding yourself if you think any action will be taken. This whole discussion is just pissing into the wind.

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Ultimately, this.

What I'm curious about is how MM is going to react when he gets stonewalled on all four of his proposed mechanisms.  When he sees how any and all measures are completely stymied, I wonder if he'll stick with his "I'm just a centrist" bit.

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  On 5/29/2022 at 5:07 AM, MrBig said:
Still don’t understand why Daniel Rodriguez, Uvalde PD Chief of Police, allowed Uvalde School Police Chief, Pete Arredondo, to control incident command for this. There was a major fuck up in waiting time but there’s no reason the school police dept Chief should be in control of a situation like this while Uvalde PD is also involved. 


CNN just said the "Police Chief" was on vacation. Idk if that was Rodriguez or Arredondo but might explain why Arredondo stayed in command...
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  On 6/8/2022 at 12:34 AM, woohorn said:

CNN just said the "Police Chief" was on vacation. Idk if that was Rodriguez or Arredondo but might explain why Arredondo stayed in command...

 

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The police chief on vacation was Uvalde PD Chief Daniel Rodriguez. Pete Arredondo is the Uvalde school district police chief who assumed command of the situation without a working radio. 

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  On 6/8/2022 at 12:50 AM, MrBig said:

The police chief on vacation was Uvalde PD Chief Daniel Rodriguez. Pete Arredondo is the Uvalde school district police chief who assumed command of the situation without a working radio. 

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To be fair, he wasn't going to use that radio to tell law enforcement to charge in and take the shooter out. 

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Lawmakers debating gun control in DC will today see video of a a fourth-grader who survived the Uvalde shooting by smearing the blood of one of her classmates on her body to appear like she was already shot and dead.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/amid-gun-control-pressure-lawmakers-hear-student-survived/story?id=85236966

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Amid new pressure for gun control on Capitol Hill, lawmakers on Wednesday will hear what's expected to be dramatic testimony from a fourth grader trapped in a Texas classroom for more than an hour as a gunman killed 19 of her classmates and two of her teachers.

Miah Cerrillo, who emotionally described to CNN smearing herself with her classmate's blood and playing dead as the Uvalde rampage unfolded, is expected to describe the horror she experienced to the House Oversight Committee in a recorded video.

But Cerrillo will no longer be in the room when the video is played. Her father will appear in her place and will introduce her video statement.

"The Committee has been in close contact with Miah, her family, and her pediatrician and has been prioritizing her safety and comfort first and foremost. Her decision to record her story and share it with the American people is courageous – and I hope all Members open their hearts and minds to what she has to say," chair Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said in a statement. "Miah, her family, and her pediatrician have made the decision to have her not appear in person, and she will be represented by her father who will introduce her recorded testimony."

The committee also will hear from other families traumatized by the massacres in Uvalde and in Buffalo, New York, that killed a total of 31 people just 10 days apart.

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Also testifying are Felix Rubio and Kimberly Rubio, the parents of Lexi Rubio, a 10-year-old girl killed in Uvalde; Zeneta Everhart, the mother of Buffalo shooting survivor Zaire Goodman, who was shot in the neck while working at the store; and Roy Guerrero, a Uvalde pediatrician who treated the victims.

Felix and Kimberly Rubio, who lost their daughter Alexandria "Lexi" Rubio in the Texas School shooting, did an interview with Maria Elena Salinas.

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Guerrero told ABC News' Mireya Villarreal and James Scholz on the eve of his testimony that the community is "strong" but they need more than "thoughts and prayers."

"We need people to step up," he said. "We need this to stop, basically. And I figured that if I didn't take that step forward and take that initiative, I'd just kind of be sitting back doing nothing and not reaching my full potential with my obligation to these children. "

A second panel appearing before the House committee Wednesday includes various officials and advocacy group leaders: Buffalo police commissioner Joseph Gramaglia; Greg Jackson, Jr., the executive director of the Community Justice Action Fund; Becky Pringle, president of the National Education Association; and Nick Suplina, senior vice president for law and policy at Everytown for Gun Safety.

Students escape through a window during the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School, May 24, 2022, in Uvalde, Texas.

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ABC News Congressional Correspondent Rachel Scott spoke exclusively with Maloney on the eve of the committee's hearing on the gun violence epidemic.

"It will break your heart to hear their stories and to know that it's senseless and that it could be prevented," Maloney, D-N.Y., told Scott Tuesday evening in a preview of what to expect today when survivors and families testify.

Maloney said the survivors and families reached out to her committee and insisted on traveling to the nation's capital to share their experiences just mere weeks after witnessing horror -- hoping to change the hearts and minds of lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

"They wanted to tell their stories. They're hoping that their stories will change the minds of some of the members of Congress so that we can find solutions," Maloney said.

"We were saying maybe it would be too difficult," she said, referring to Miah Cerrillo, of someone so young wanting to testify before Congress. "But she felt strongly and her parents supported her wish that she be able to testify and tell her story."

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"She felt very, very strongly that her story -- she didn't want the loss of her teachers, the loss of her friends, but also the quick thinking that she had to play dead to smear blood all over herself to save her life. It's an incredible story," Maloney added.

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The hearing comes as negotiations continue on gun control. A bipartisan group of lawmakers, led by Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, are trying to reach a compromise this week on incremental measures like expanded background checks, incentives for states to implement red flag laws and funding for mental health programs.

Senate Democrats are looking for at least 10 Republican votes to get to the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster. If they don't reach that mark, they risk continuing a 30-year trend of inaction on gun reform even in the wake of such tragedies as Sandy Hook, Las Vegas and Parkland.

Murphy provided an update on the talks during an appearance on "The View" on Tuesday, stating he's never seen this much public pressure for elected officials to act and he's hopeful Republicans are "picking up this sense of urgency."

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"While we are very different in our views, we do both agree that we are not willing to do anything that compromises people's Second Amendment rights," Murphy said. "We are focusing on keeping weapons out of the hands of dangerous people."

President Joe Biden made an impassioned plea last week for more, including a ban on assault weapons like the AR-15 used in the Uvalde shooting, but most Republicans in Congress remain opposed to any gun restrictions.

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"We spent hours with hundreds of family members who were broken, whose lives will never be the same," Biden said in an address from the White House. "They had one message for all of us. Do something."

Maloney said she feels there is a new air of urgency to get gun control legislation on Biden's desk in light of the Uvalde mass shooting, and she's hopeful Republicans will change their minds when they hear the witnesses speak firsthand.

"Absolutely, there's a sense of urgency, and tomorrow we will be debating gun safety laws on the floor and voting. So, hopefully, their testimony will have an impact on the votes of these members of Congress," Maloney said Tuesday.

In a letter to Democrats, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the House will vote Wednesday afternoon on the Protect Our Kids Act, the gun control package assembled after the mass shootings in New York and Texas.

In all, 19 young children and two teachers were killed by a gunman wielding an AR-15-style assault weapon at Robb Elementary School on May 24. Funerals for the victims are continuing until June 25.

In Buffalo, 10 Black people were fatally shot in a Tops grocery store on May 14. The Department of Justice is investigating the shooting as a "hate crime and an act of racially-motivated violent extremism."

Buffalo Police secure the scene of a mass shooting at a Tops Friendly Market in Buffalo, N.Y., May 14, 2022.

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On Tuesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee heard from the son of one of the Buffalo victims as part of a hearing on domestic terrorism.

Garnell Whitfield Jr., the oldest son of Ruth Whitfield, and 86-year-old woman killed in the shooting, held back tears as he urged lawmakers to take action or "yield their positions" in Congress.

"You expect us to continue to just forgive and forget over and over again. And what are you doing?" he said. "You're elected to protect us, to protect our way of life."

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Posted
  On 6/8/2022 at 2:19 PM, C-Man said:

Lawmakers debating gun control in DC will today see video of a a fourth-grader who survived the Uvalde shooting by smearing the blood of one of her classmates on her body to appear like she was already shot and dead.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/amid-gun-control-pressure-lawmakers-hear-student-survived/story?id=85236966

 

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Good. That footage, and all the footage of those childrens mangled and gory corpses, should be front an center in this discussion. That's the fucking table stakes.

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Posted
  On 6/8/2022 at 12:51 AM, Deej said:

Pete Arredondo is the Uvalde school district police chief who assumed command of the situation without a working radio. 

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Has he surfaced? He was caught by reporters going to work the next day like nothing happened and hasn't been seen since. He skipped the special City Council meeting which would have been his first after being secretly sworn in. 

 

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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Texas-school-shooting-Salvador-Ramos-forum-17226232.php

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“Individuals in online forums that routinely promulgate domestic violent extremist and conspiracy theory-related content have praised the May 2022 mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas and encouraged copycat attacks,” DHS officials wrote in a bulletin released Tuesday morning. 

DHS officials explained that others have capitalized on the shooting—during which a lone gunman shot and killed 19 children and two teachers—to push conspiracy theories, including the false claim that the federal government faked the shooting to boost support for gun control measures. 

 

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Fucking pathetic.

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Posted
  On 6/8/2022 at 10:13 PM, atomheartbevo said:
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-Texas-school-shooting-Salvador-Ramos-forum-17226232.php
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“Individuals in online forums that routinely promulgate domestic violent extremist and conspiracy theory-related content have praised the May 2022 mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas and encouraged copycat attacks,” DHS officials wrote in a bulletin released Tuesday morning. 
DHS officials explained that others have capitalized on the shooting—during which a lone gunman shot and killed 19 children and two teachers—to push conspiracy theories, including the false claim that the federal government faked the shooting to boost support for gun control measures. 
 
Fucking pathetic.
What is pathetic is that I read that, and was wholly unsurprised or angered. My reaction was, "of course."
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Posted
  On 6/9/2022 at 1:44 PM, DigglerontheHoof said:

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy

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Lol that's literally how I describe surly to my wife - and while I thankfully haven't seen anyone on Surly posting about how it's a good thing that those kids died, I have definitely seen conspiracy rhetoric about how this group or that group is pushing porn/videogames/gabbagool/etc to incite these sorts of attacks to build a case to take away guns. The fear rhetoric used in response to the school shooting has certainly been more centered around "MUH GUNZZZ" than "holy shit 19 children were just pulped with an AR"

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They want to play army, they want people to believe they need military capabilities and the people should pay for them. Then when it comes time to do army things, everyone volunteers for crowd control. 
 

imagine military officers planning something and every time something might be dangerous to the soldiers, they scrap it. 

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All we need is good guys with guns who are too afraid to go confront the lone bad guy with a gun. Wouldn't shock me if some of those cowardly officers start eating their guns. 

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  On 6/9/2022 at 9:32 PM, mdmost said:

All we need is good guys with guns who are too afraid to go confront the lone bad guy with a gun. Wouldn't shock me if some of those cowardly officers start eating their guns. 

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If they had any honor at all, they would.

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