[News/Updates] Mass Shooting at Robb Elementary Uvalde - 5/24/2022

[Brisketexan 105464]

On 10/27/2022 at 7:15 PM, Steel Shank said:

McCraw is a gutless, lying, sack of shit.

Those exact same words open the job description for "the state's highest ranking law enforcement officer," so you've got it pegged pretty well.

[wildcat09 29439]

On 5/27/2022 at 12:32 PM, tx 3 putt said:

I’m shocked a uvalde cop hasn’t ate a bullet yet 

This still hasn't happened, has it?

[YGIFS 19453]

49 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This still hasn't happened, has it?

No, and it's beyond surprising.  I thought for a New York Minute that maybe one did but they hid the story/cause of death.  But I don't think a family member or friend could keep from saying something public/social media about it.  It boggles my mind one of 'em hasn't taken their own life.  It defies absolutely everything we've ever learned about PTSD, public shaming, regret, mental instability, access to firearms, etc.  Or that one of them hasn't taken their embarrassment out on some minor felon on a routine warrant visit or some shit.  The most high profile evidence of cowardice maybe in Texas history and there's just 700+ of 'em just doing traffic stops and filing paperwork and drinking coffee?  Something is amiss.  

Almost a Battalion sized response effort across multiple agencies and not one guy has "snapped" yet.  that's impossible.  

As horrifying as that largely preventable massacre was, the ensuing lack of action by government and law enforcement beings to approach it in terms of harrowing possibilities.  That we've moved on this fast, with almost no repercussions, gross inaction, and borderline flippant dismissal...is just as shocking to me as the initial slaughter itself.  I get that people are wired different, most of these guys weren't really in a position to hear/see/react to the shootings.  But hundreds were in the thick of it and nobody is screaming for change, or eating led, or shaming their supervisors.  The blue line is strong but it can't overcome 700 instances of 100,000 years of human evolution.  Something else is awry.

[tbone_ 14200]

This whole thing is beyond fucked up but I really hope people aren’t rooting for suicide.

[wildcat09 29439]

15 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

No, and it's beyond surprising.  I thought for a New York Minute that maybe one did but they hid the story/cause of death.  But I don't think a family member or friend could keep from saying something public/social media about it.  It boggles my mind one of 'em hasn't taken their own life.  It defies absolutely everything we've ever learned about PTSD, public shaming, regret, mental instability, access to firearms, etc.  Or that one of them hasn't taken their embarrassment out on some minor felon on a routine warrant visit or some shit.  The most high profile evidence of cowardice maybe in Texas history and there's just 700+ of 'em just doing traffic stops and filing paperwork and drinking coffee?  Something is amiss.  

Almost a Battalion sized response effort across multiple agencies and not one guy has "snapped" yet.  that's impossible.  

As horrifying as that largely preventable massacre was, the ensuing lack of action by government and law enforcement beings to approach it in terms of harrowing possibilities.  That we've moved on this fast, with almost no repercussions, gross inaction, and borderline flippant dismissal...is just as shocking to me as the initial slaughter itself.  I get that people are wired different, most of these guys weren't really in a position to hear/see/react to the shootings.  But hundreds were in the thick of it and nobody is screaming for change, or eating led, or shaming their supervisors.  The blue line is strong but it can't overcome 700 instances of 100,000 years of human evolution.  Something else is awry.

I don't think so. I think the explanation is simple: they don't care. 

[Brisketexan 105464]

18 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

But hundreds were in the thick of it and nobody is screaming for change, or eating led, or shaming their supervisors.  The blue line is strong but it can't overcome 700 instances of 100,000 years of human evolution.  Something else is awry.

 

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think so. I think the explanation is simple: they don't care. 

Yes.  This is the thing that is awry.  When you realize that law enforcement sees themselves as some sort of twisted Nietzsche "superman," a species above and beyond the scum that is the rest of the world, it checks out.  Read the shit they circulate among themselves, about "sheepdogs" and "sheep."  The only true humans worthy of respect and protection at any cost are their fellow Superman LEOs.  The rest of us are expendable, worthless except if one of the sheepdogs feels like granting us some worth in a given moment.  American law enforcement culture has a serious sickness running through it, and we're seeing the results to that disease come to fruition.

[YGIFS 19453]

13 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

This whole thing is beyond fucked up but I really hope people aren’t rooting for suicide.

Who the fuck is rooting for suicide?  You can be shocked, surprised, even pleased that somebody isn't doing it.  Doesn't mean you're fucking rooting for it.  

This is beyond a psychological anomaly.  We're just discussing our disbelief at what has taken place from disregard, to dismissal, to lack of action, to nobody taking it out on themselves or family or criminals or innocents, et. al.  700+ officers, 6+ months, and other than a couple of taken school board fights...nothing has happened?  At all?  It's beyond bizarre.  This is an occasion where a conspiracy theory would make a fuckton more sense than what's unfolding publicly.  You cannot keep every single one of 700 people from slipping and saying something drunk, tweeting while under stress, freaking out in the garage with a loaded service weapon after what happened and the ensuing public backlash.  That's not how we're wired.  

[Captainant 27861]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

This is beyond a psychological anomaly.  We're just discussing our disbelief at what has taken place from disregard, to dismissal, to lack of action, to nobody taking it out on themselves or family or criminals or innocents, et. al.  700+ officers, 6+ months, and other than a couple of taken school board fights...nothing has happened?  At all?  It's beyond bizarre.  This is an occasion where a conspiracy theory would make a fuckton more sense than what's unfolding publicly.  You cannot keep every single one of 700 people from slipping and saying something drunk, tweeting while under stress, freaking out in the garage with a loaded service weapon after what happened and the ensuing public backlash.  That's not how we're wired.  

It's almost like the police have been conditioned to not think of citizens as people and just as cattle to herd around and force into compliance. Nevermind the story of one of the surviving children and her parents from Uvalde getting profiled by cops just a few days ago for going 5 over the speed limit. 

 

The cops, just like every other shameful fascist in our society, would much rather we all just move on and not make things so political by demanding accountability.

[C-Man 27286]

Jesus, this is simply gutting: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/01/us/uvalde-911-classroom-call-delay/index.html

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“I’m in classroom 112,” the little girl tells the police dispatcher. “Please hurry. There is a lot of dead bodies.”

The clear plea comes in a 12:10 p.m. call from Khloie Torres, then 10 years old and trapped at Robb Elementary School with a gunman who has slaughtered her friends and a teacher. Khloie, now 11, survived.

Khloie Torres, photographed by her mom, did all she could to keep her friends calm and get help.

Courtesy Jamie Torres

“Please get help. I don’t wanna die. My teacher is dead. Oh, my God.”

The dispatcher sends out the message to the dozens, soon to be hundreds of law enforcement officers swarming to the school in Uvalde, Texas.

It’s more than 30 minutes since the teenager entered the school and shot his way into classrooms 111 and 112.

And it takes 40 more minutes from Khloie giving details to authorities until a strike team burst into the room, challenging the gunman at 12:50 p.m.

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CNN has heard this 911 call, and others made by the same girl and classmates, whispering information and pleading for help. It’s the call that should have ended any doubt or hesitation that the teenage gunman was active, roaming between the two connected classrooms, that children were trapped, injured and needed to be saved.

Interactive: How law enforcement’s narrative of the Uvalde massacre has changed

The entire law enforcement response has been condemned, almost from start to finish. And agencies have blamed each other in changing narratives since the massacre on May 24, for not following up on the initial attempt to go into the classroom when the gunman fired back, to treating the suspect as barricaded but not an active threat, and long waits for equipment and specialist personnel.

Nineteen children and two teachers were killed that day, though at least one adult and one child did not die immediately. Texas’ top cop, director of the Department of Public Safety Col. Steven McCraw, has acknowledged failures, most recently to bereaved families last week, but insisted his department as a whole did not fail the community.

CNN obtained the calls from a source and is using excerpts with the approval of Khloie’s parents. CNN also informed families who lost people in the massacre that this story was coming.

Khloie’s father, Ruben Torres, a former Marine, said he knew how hard it was to give good information when under fire. “That day, the things that she did were absolutely incredible,” he said of his daughter. Of the adults who responded, he said: “None of them had courage that day.”

An agonizing wait

“I need help … please. Have y’all captured the person?” the fourth grader asks at 12:12 p.m. And a few minutes later, “You want me to open the door now?”

Time and again Khloie is told by the dispatcher to stay quiet, to keep her terrified and injured friends quiet, and to wait.

“I’m telling everyone to be quiet but nobody is listening to me,” she tells the operator. “I understand what to do in these situations. My dad taught me when I was a little girl. Send help.”

She tells the 911 operator that her teacher – Eva Mireles – is alive but has been shot and asks for an ambulance at 12:15 p.m.

Outside, a final total of 376 armed law enforcement personnel are gathering.

First on CNN: Uvalde video shows children scrambling for safety and a chief fumbling with door keys

At 12:12 p.m. the radio call goes out: “Uvalde to any units: Be advised we do have a child on the line … room 12 [sic]. Is anybody inside of the building at this time?”

“Go ahead with that child’s information,” an answer comes back.

“The child is advising he [sic] is in in the room full of victims, full of victims at this moment.”

“10-4,” comes the confirmation.

The announcement can clearly be heard on audio captured by body cameras worn by officers inside the school.

There was plenty of confusion at the start of the massive response to the school shooting, which came after the gunman shot his grandmother in the head and crashed a truck near the school, both of which triggered emergency calls.

Once in the school, it wasn’t immediately known whether the shooter went to an office or a classroom, or whether he had victims with him.

But the call from Khloie and some of her classmates who came on the line or made their own attempts to call for help were clear. And known.

The news spreads beyond those who heard the initial transmission.

“Supposedly one kid called as it was underway. He’s been in that room for an hour now,” an officer tells a newly arrived responder, apparently referring to the shooter.

“We don’t know if he has anybody in the room with him, do we?” asks an officer in the hallway outside the classrooms. “He does,” comes the reply. “Eight or nine children.”

EMT: ‘We’re taking too long’

While some are talking about gas masks and shields and a command post, an emergency medic from Border Patrol arrives. He, too, knows about the children.

“EMT! EMT!” he shouts as he asks how to get to the victims in “Room 12.” One officer shrugs. Another who’s been on the scene for more than 20 minutes says, “No, we hadn’t heard that,” apparently referring to injured children.

The medic tells them: “They just had a kid in room 12, multiple victims, room 12.” He goes inside the hallway to where more officers are huddling. “They said kids, room 12.”

There’s talk of finding a master key.

Then more gunshots.

Officers with long guns, helmets and body armor move a little closer, and stop.

“F**k. We’re taking too long,” the medic says.

Inside the classroom, Khloie starts her third call to 911.

The children who survived Uvalde massacre are heartbroken they couldn't save their friends. Their moms now worry about their future

“Can you tell the police to come to my room?” she asks. And again, minutes later, “Can you send a policeman in now, please?”

She is told to stay quiet, to keep her classmates – some apparently moaning in pain – quiet, and wait.

She said to the dispatcher she thought she heard police in the hallway and was again advised to stay quiet.

Later, Khloie tells police how she was using her teacher’s phone, how she knew how to make the emergency call without having to unlock the phone as it was like her dad’s.

She also told of how she had time to try to help her friends while the gunman was in the adjoining classroom, where he killed all the students and wounded the teacher.

“I stood up to look for Band-Aids ‘cause my friend had a big cut.”

Then, fearing the shooter might come back to her room, she hid again, under a table.

The girl is on the call as officers finally force their way in to the room next door. Loud, prolonged bursts of gunfire can be heard as the dispatcher tells her: “Stay down. Do not get up. Stay down. Do not, do not move.”

The girl survives. She is taken to the hospital on a school bus with other injured classmates where she’s able to speak face to face with one of the responders, saying she was on the phone.

“I was trying not to cry,” she said.

 

[High Plains Drifter 11054]

 

Jesus wept.

 

That little girl has more bravery in her little finger than the entire 200+ army of cops that were on site.

 

[Steel Shank 9433]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Just remember, our DPS director -- DPS, which had NINETY officers on the scene, refuses to resign because he thinks the DPS performed just fine that day:

We get these results because we absolutely, 100%, not only fail to hold our leadership accountable for massive failures that kill Texans by the stack, but we REWARD them by voting for the leaders who deliver these horrific results.  No CR -- just watch tonight's election returns, and you'll see all the "consequences" the leaders who delivered these results will suffer: NONE.  Except the reward of a public vote of confidence to keep them in the same position.

We get stacks of dead kids because it's become pretty clear that is the result we want.

A-fucking-men.

[Snake Diggity 4628]

On 11/2/2022 at 12:24 AM, C-Man said:

Jesus, this is simply gutting: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/01/us/uvalde-911-classroom-call-delay/index.html

 

Mother of fucking god.  How has there not been more vigilante justice against those cops.  

[C-Man 27286]

12 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Mother of fucking god.  How has there not been more vigilante justice against those cops.  

And 68% of that fucking county still voted for Hot Wheels and the status quo. This state is beyond fucked up.

[WBT 20676]

On 10/31/2022 at 10:59 AM, YGIFS said:

the ensuing public backlash

What public backlash?  The discourse has been 95% gun control/5% LEO response.  They have largely gotten a free pass for some reason.

Edited November 17, 2022 by WBT

[YGIFS 19453]

Yes, that's true.  I was disgusted/surprised how little Uvalde played in the Gubernatorial election since that post you quoted.  I knew Abbott would win, not quite that big a gap but he'd win comfortably.  But Exit polls had the issue at #7 I think.  I knew border, crime, energy, election integrity, abortion, etc. would place higher.  But I think it even placed after transportation/roads.  Pretty fucking sad.  

I'm just surprised at each passing week that one of these guys hasn't killed themselves.  And no TBONE, nobody is rooting for suicide, jackass.  The whole aftermath of this thing is just beyond the pale is all.  I still get popup ads with those parents of Sandy Hook victims on youtube.  And I know plenty of people in Texas politics and I don't hear a goddamn thing about Uvalde anymore.  Not a word.   

[Captainant 27861]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Mother of fucking god.  How has there not been more vigilante justice against those cops.  

do you want those ANTIFUH BLM THUGS to take over??? We gotsta #BACKTHEBLUE otherwise they'll do a socialism on us!

 

Small town Texas. Cops. You do the math. They're the kings there, and they are empirically above reproach

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

Sucks that the city or state govt doesn't appear to want to investigate further on what broke down on that day.

The only consequences so far have many been for low level DPS or local officials but only when the press has asked embarrassing questions.

[Brisketexan 105464]

Accountability?  For law enforcement leadership?

You don't "American cop," do you?  You need to just thank them for their service, and pay for their coffee at the Starbucks, and say "you're my heroes, BACK THE BLUE!"

[YGIFS 19453]

Are we not offering up enough thoughts and prayers?  Is that this shit is going sideways still?  Sorry y'all, I've been slipping on my T&P regiment.  

This has to be just beyond maddening for the families there right now.  To see people that didn't give fuck one about them in the first place, exploit them for gain, and then move on as if nothing had happened.  

[Humble Beast 258]

On 11/18/2022 at 1:24 PM, YGIFS said:

Are we not offering up enough thoughts and prayers?  Is that this shit is going sideways still?  Sorry y'all, I've been slipping on my T&P regiment.  

This has to be just beyond maddening for the families there right now.  To see people that didn't give fuck one about them in the first place, exploit them for gain, and then move on as if nothing had happened.  

It’s a strange vibe there. “Like living in a cemetery”. 
 

Also a sad irony is there’s a couple empty cop cars left out in front of the school to deter people with morbid curiosity from hanging around. 

[royiv 9396]

It's more of the broken record of infuriating incompetence, cowardice and lack of accountability.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/07/us/uvalde-sheriff-ruben-nolasco-robb-elementary-massacre/index.html

[C-Man 27286]

12 hours ago, royiv said:

It's more of the broken record of infuriating incompetence, cowardice and lack of accountability.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/07/us/uvalde-sheriff-ruben-nolasco-robb-elementary-massacre/index.html

Fuck this fucking coward:

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Nolasco was also emotional and belligerent in his interview nine days after the horrific attack. He called some of the routine questions “insulting” but added, “I know I didn’t do anything wrong. I have nothing to hide.”

After an hour of questions, near the end of the interview, he talked about the suffering of his deputies and said, “It’s been very traumatic for me as well.”

Raising his voice, he cursed and said he needed to vent.

“I’ve had to deal with a lot. It’s bullsh*t that we’re called cowards.”

Couple of pussy cowards here:

[royiv 9396]

7 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Fuck this fucking coward:

Couple of pussy cowards here:

They're perfect for each other.

[kevwun 15936]

If there's a better word for refusing to engage when you have the perpetrator outnumbered 400:1, I'm all ears Sheriff.

[Captainant 27861]

21 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Fuck this fucking coward:

Couple of pussy cowards here:

"here's how you can blame your family for your bad decisions, it totally won't have any negative affects on your kids!"

[Serak The Preparer 3434]

On 12/8/2022 at 9:03 AM, Captainant said:

"here's how you can blame your family for your bad decisions, it totally won't have any negative affects on your kids!"

whelp the fine citizens of Uvalde just voted for more of the same so fuck them kids [/michael jordan].

[Eskimohorn 5644]

I actually understand smalltown cops, LEO pensioneers, and glorified security guards Barney Fifing the rescue of children in the face of a suicidal shooter with a hand cannon. It’s sad, but understandable that we’d have a culture of Corporal Uphams, especially after the initial hesitation, confusion, groupthink, and fear.

The coverup and lack of accountability and transparency is 10x worse due to its combination of cynicism and calculation. We have a governor incapable of doing his job, which includes coordination and governance of local, state, and federal agencies.

CNN and Texas Tribune are the adults in the room and fighting with our local and state government to demand accountability.

[YGIFS 19453]

^

 

well said.  As per usual in human history...the coverup can often be worse than the event/tragedy itself.  Many of these people weren't built for anything more than glorified, qualified indemnity bully-inspired cowardice.

Thoughts and prayers to the family of the officer who is going to take his own life during this emotional holiday seasons.  Happens to the best and worst of us.  Just that time of year.  

[aggie08 21561]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

I actually understand smalltown cops, LEO pensioneers, and glorified security guards Barney Fifing the rescue of children in the face of a suicidal shooter with a hand cannon. It’s sad, but understandable that we’d have a culture of Corporal Uphams, especially after the initial hesitation, confusion, groupthink, and fear.

While I get that, and I can even sympathize to an extent. This is the EXACT scenario that a decent percentage of them fantasize about when they're daydreaming on the side of the road with a radar gun. Barge in, double tap some punk, save the kids, be a national hero, leave your wife for Lauren Boerbert. It was all right there for them, but, when push came to shove, they are just another coward with a gun.

Edited December 9, 2022 by aggie08

[Chopper 17307]

 

[YGIFS 19453]

Didn't we learn that while the majority of them had their service pistol and/or shotgun from the patrol cars...there were dozens who had their own AR-styled rifles on their person, fully loaded?  

I'm still confused then, doesn't this still speak to the "Several Good Guys with Several Good Guns" theory?  If a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, but a bad guy with a good gun can stop good guys with bad guns...can't a whole shitload of good guys with good guns stop the one bad guy with the one good gun?  

I'm just using Texas maths here, folks.  I didn't invent the policy mantra.  

 

Also, everytime more details come out...I cannot fucking believe that one of these guys hasn't eaten a bullet yet.  That is just the most unbelievable part of the story to me.  I don't know if they're taking it out on their families or on drug abuse, but somebody somehwere down there is feeling the wrath of some of these guys for failing so miserably that day.  Out of depression, shame, guilt, or a twisted sense of honor...I can't believe not one of out several hundred hasn't taken the easy way out.  Unless one did, and they dressed it up as "killed in line of duty/training/some other pre-existing condition."  

Edited March 20, 2023 by YGIFS

[Scheiss Meister 8414]

15 minutes ago, Chopper said:

 

Fucking cowards.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

like eskimohorn above, i get that they are just a world of corporal uphams.  i'd have space in my heart for them if they'd just say it.  we're all cowards.  every one of us is just barney fife in a tacticool halloween costume.  i never asked for the public admiration and i'm going to push back on it from here on out.

[Scheiss Meister 8414]

3 hours ago, Chopper said:

 

These dickcheeses couldn't even cut it in the movie Aladdin.  "The monkey has a sword!"  "Fools, we all have swords."  It apparently never occurred to them that two of them armed with any firearm outgunned the murderous punk.

[Jersey Man10 3553]

This still pisses me off. I will never get over this. Ever.

[YGIFS 19453]

7 minutes ago, Jersey Man10 said:

This still pisses me off. I will never get over this. Ever.

Why not, it could have been worse.  

I picture every single LEO, local and state leader involved with this as the ineffectual, incompetent, and walking fraud that was Joaquin Phoenix's character in "Gladiator" when he shows up hours later, dismounts, and asks, "Have I missed it?  Have I missed the battle?"  

This should make some of  y'all feel better.  Imagine how bad some of the wives and children of some of these "good guys with guns" have been beaten as these "men" take out their shame and anger out on somebody because of their self-hatred?  One of these guys is gonna eat a round in the near future, or have one put in him by a spouse who has finally had enough.  

Oh wait, that's harsh.  The bad guy had a rifle with lots of bullets apparently.  

[Pods 7587]

The single most important thing right now is to emphasize that the cop is wrong when he calls it a "battle rifle".

It's a common mistake. He's probably not around guns much.

AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle. It stands for ArmaLite Rifle.

I bet he probably calls a magazine a clip too. 

 

[GringoSalado 1652]

All those ARs the cops have are only good for shooting pets I guess.

[4th and 5 4921]

On 12/9/2022 at 2:36 PM, Eskimohorn said:

I actually understand smalltown cops, LEO pensioneers, and glorified security guards Barney Fifing the rescue of children in the face of a suicidal shooter with a hand cannon. It’s sad, but understandable that we’d have a culture of Corporal Uphams, especially after the initial hesitation, confusion, groupthink, and fear.

The coverup and lack of accountability and transparency is 10x worse due to its combination of cynicism and calculation. We have a governor incapable of doing his job, which includes coordination and governance of local, state, and federal agencies.

CNN and Texas Tribune are the adults in the room and fighting with our local and state government to demand accountability.

 

On 12/9/2022 at 4:34 PM, aggie08 said:

While I get that, and I can even sympathize to an extent. This is the EXACT scenario that a decent percentage of them fantasize about when they're daydreaming on the side of the road with a radar gun. Barge in, double tap some punk, save the kids, be a national hero, leave your wife for Lauren Boerbert. It was all right there for them, but, when push came to shove, they are just another coward with a gun.

 

Upham. 

It’s the perfect summary.

Your mind can’t imagine the scene inside a corner of that classroom.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4979]

1 hour ago, Pods said:

The single most important thing right now is to emphasize that the cop is wrong when he calls it a "battle rifle".

It's a common mistake. He's probably not around guns much.

AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle. It stands for ArmaLite Rifle.

I bet he probably calls a magazine a clip too. 

 

We should definitely downplay the fact that restrictions on firearms have almost overwhelmingly been used to suppressors minorities in order to prevent them from scaring God-fearing white folk. Especially at a time when those who look down upon said minorities have become emboldened in their disdain for them and wishes to further supress them.

[YGIFS 19453]

Purely a selfish anecdote, which is why I believe message boards were invented.  Daughter has her first recital at school today.  Or right after school, I should say.  She's obviously nervous.  She has great music intuitions, but has difficulty with hand-eye coordination just like Pops.  She was a ball of stress this morning, but finally calmed down on the ride to school and I know she'll be fine.  And of course, local ISD sends out alerts that there's to be an active shooter drill on campus right, literally right fucking before, her recital.  I get it, they need to do it.  But the last thing my wife said to her besides "have a great day, I love you" was "those are your nice leggings, so don't get 'em dirty before recital."  And of course, the fucking active shooter drill has them crawl on their hands and knees to safety.  So her first recital memories will forever be intertwined with the holes in her nice leggings.  

But I'm glad we all get to shoot up deer between strip malls like true sportsmen.  You guys are so goddamn patriotic, it makes me swell up with tears.  You can't see through the binary lens you've been spoon-fed.  We make you buy guns because it's the only amendment you can monetize.  But you can't see it because you're stupid.  And our children pay the price.  If gun-free zones are the problem, be a true alpha male and shoot up a gun range.  

[DigglerontheHoof 21261]

It's a disappointing shame that more of those cowardly cops haven't 86'd themselves. 

[Captainant 27861]

1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's a disappointing shame that more of those cowardly cops haven't 86'd themselves. 

Yeah but then who would ticket all the people driving through their town? That's really why they joined the force, not to protect children

[YGIFS 19453]

Yeah, sorry to say.  It's time for one of these guys to off themselves as an homage to the altar of freedom.  If only there was a way...

[Nivek 16997]

What is this Uvalde thing?  That is ancient history. 

Only cosplayers without guns need oppression.  

[YGIFS 19453]

I'll give some of you dipshits credit, at least y'all quit talking about doors in schools.  At least you had that much self-reflection to realize how fucking stupid that sounded.  

I mean, we're not putting forth any solutions but at least we realized sending everybody single file through a single door wasn't a good idea.  I give you fucking morons another 1000 years and you may arrive at a decent solution.  

Also, just since the story broke on Monday about the cops being scared to death, literally, about the shooter's weapon...we've had 3 more school shootings with multiple casualties in this country.  But not one mention of doors.  So I am so terribly fucking proud to be an America...where at least I know I'm free!  

Edited March 22, 2023 by YGIFS

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4979]

4 hours ago, YGIFS said:

  If gun-free zones are the problem, be a true alpha male and shoot up a gun range.  

Someone tried that outside New Orleans a couple years ago. It probably didn't go the way they imagined it in their head.

[YGIFS 19453]

well then the only logical solution is to make schools "lots of guns zones."  I don't know why we're not arming teachers and students alike.  What could possibly go wrong?  

If they work in an Arkansas mine shaft, why can't they pack an AR-15?  

The maths speak for themselves.  More people with more guns is the solution.  We have the most guns per capita than any other nation and the most gun deaths per capita, so obviously the maths check out. 

I say this is a proud 2A proponent who is an NRA pro marksman, and really super duper good at maths.

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11 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I say this is a proud 2A proponent who is an NRA pro marksman

I was "Most Outstanding" in riflery at Camp Olympia 3 years running

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one guy "We used to spend our summers at..."

everybody, 'EAGLE RIVER!'