[News/Updates] Mass Shooting at Robb Elementary Uvalde - 5/24/2022

[Deej 77940]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

It would shock me. 

Me, too. We all know they'll do whatever it takes to not get shot. 

[coachherman'sgrill 2652]

18 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They want to play army, they want people to believe they need military capabilities and the people should pay for them. Then when it comes time to do army things, everyone volunteers for crowd control. 
 

imagine military officers planning something and every time something might be dangerous to the soldiers, they scrap it. 

As a retired Army dude, I have a hard time wrapping my head around knowing its dangerous and saying "nah, let's wait a bit". As I like to say, everyone wants to be gangster until its time to do gangster shit. 

This part is insane to me: 

"Thinking he was the first officer to arrive and wanting to waste no time, Arredondo believed that carrying the radios would slow him down. One had a whiplike antenna that would hit him as he ran. The other had a clip that Arredondo knew would cause it to fall off his tactical belt during a long run."

In Uncle Sugar's Army, when you had something that hindered your movement, you fixed it, especially equipment that you need. And a radio is something I am pretty sure you would need. But what do I know?

[InkaUtexas 27068]

That approach is standard for anyone in a shitty location or in response. Even doing development our gear is checked, rechecked and secured. And there have been places where we carry a lot of damn gear. 

Just finished an equipment review for a group going into Somalia. They are carrying two radios each with extra batteries, medical kits, pistol, AK with a combat load, etc. Basically a grunt's load without the super secret shit we don't need. On top of what each person is carrying every member of the expat team carries another "team item" like a  satellite radio. Another has solar panels and back up batteries. 

Rule of thumb. CHECK AND SECURE YOUR FUCKING GEAR. 

[staboner 5098]

i still just can't get over the police response and the various threats made by the local gov and the police against some of the mothers and journalists. wtf. the latter is actual censorship that many bitch and complain about every fucking time some doesn't agree with them.

the former is the culture of the police we have been complaining about since forever on every goddamn iteration of the board. 

and here we are. dicks in hand. nothing. just nothing. at least school is out. 

[Captainant 28623]

17 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Never?

Yeah dude. The cops aren't here to help citizens. They're here to generate revenue for municipalities and give shitheel coward highschool bullies a career path

 

[Captainant 28623]

Just now, Poe It Up said:

You said all cops, not Uvalde. It was a dumb comment to make man, it happens. 

bruh, the TX state police and department of public safety is doing the dirty work of hiding their shame. Not Uvalde PD. There are certainly good individual police officers, but when you put enough of them together into a police department, they turn against the public to protect the thin blue line over the public they claim to protect.

Bad cops get protection from "good" cops. You can't be a "good" cop if you turn a blind eye to wrongdoing, especially when the wrongdoing harms the public. Those "good" cops may occasionally do good things, but they're ultimately failing the public and betraying their trust in enabling more malfeasance and protecting against public accountability.

Why aren't other PD's calling out Uvalde? Or arguing against TXDPS's actions to bury the evidence of wrongdoing?

Because those police departments want that protection for whenever they fuck up too.

[blacklab 12098]

If you'd like to share your hot takes about cops please find the appropriate thread for that.

This thread is news about Uvalde.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Deej 77940]

Yet he can't afford a decent haircut. 

[Captainant 28623]

52 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

So you think a million bucks in fortifications buys those kids what, five or ten more minutes, of safety before getting blasted? Gonna need beaucoup bux to cover UPD's response time, hombre.

 

Also, we shouldn't fortify schools. We should make society less dangerous. Fucking ridiculous. 

Edited June 16, 2022 by Captainant

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

32 minutes ago, Captainant said:

So you think a million bucks in fortifications buys those kids what, five or ten more minutes, of safety before getting blasted? Gonna need beaucoup bux to cover UPD's response time, hombre.

 

Also, we shouldn't fortify schools. We should make society less dangerous. Fucking ridiculous. 

Hey dumbfuck, read BlackLab’s post just above mine.
 

This is news about Uvalde, thus it goes in this thread. 

[atomheartbevo 90707]

Fucking A.

 

[Goredho 17663]

Well, make them testify unvoluntarily.

[Post Oak 20595]

20 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Well, make them testify unvoluntarily.

 

[Goredho 17663]

I'm cool with that if the Uvalde/Uvalde ISD PD does not want to engage in a critical analysis of what happened and what should have happened from a law enforcement perspective.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13758]

City of Uvalde hiring lawyers to fight freedom of information requests.  The city claims that releasing body cam footage or other info would be highly embarrassing. I would be cautious about donating money to the Uvalde tragedy without being 100% certain how the funds are going to be spent. A donation might go to protect the city and pd.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88q95p/uvalde-contracts-private-law-firm-to-argue-it-doesnt-have-to-release-school-shooting-public-records

Edited June 17, 2022 by Nice Guy Eddie

[atomheartbevo 90707]

I’ve seen this going around on the social medias, is this from an article or a transcript?

it references this article but is not from it: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/09/uvalde-chief-pete-arredondo-interview/

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[Captainant 28623]

Fucking cowards cops. Trading children's lives for their own safety. Fucking disgrace. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13758]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I’ve seen this going around on the social medias, is this from an article or a transcript?

it references this article but is not from it: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/09/uvalde-chief-pete-arredondo-interview/

 

I can understand trying to identify the master key by first testing it out on another door but that whole situation points out how poorly they prepared. Shouldn’t a master key be painted a different color.  Shouldn’t the school cops already have a master key and not individual keys. They shouldn’t have to identify the master in the first place.

their security plan seems to failed as soon as the killer walked into a classroom and locked the door behind him.

Contract a security auditor to check out the security status of the school. Of course why should an arrogant school police lead bring someone in from the outside to tell him how to do a better job.

[Scheiss Meister 8480]

No wonder the motherfuckers won't cooperate with the investigation.

[Fondren & Main 6916]

On 6/16/2022 at 5:48 PM, Deej said:

Yet he can't afford a decent haircut. 

Sure, but what is the point of having fuck you money if you don’t tell people fuck you.  That haircut is a strange way to say it though 🤣.

[Chopper 17460]

How many different times has Uvalde PD changed their story? I've lost track.

Originally they claimed the shooter was fired upon or "engaged" before entering the school. Then we found out that was a lie and that there was an officer present but he decided to just let the dude waltz into the school.

Originally they claimed he was able to enter the school because an exterior door was propped open and therefore it was all a dead teacher's fault. Then we found out that was a complete lie and that the teacher slammed the door shut before the shooter entered the building.

Originally they claimed -- well I don't remember exactly what they said at the press conference with Governor Wheels -- but they claimed the police were heroes and they stopped the gunman as fast as humanly possible and claimed to follow all established protocol. Lies, lies, damnable lies.

Next it came out that they waited over an hour to confront the shooter. So they made up some lame story about an armored door that they were unable to enter because "keys."

Now that's been shown to not only be unbelievable but a complete lie. And that not only were the doors to the classroom unlocked but they were incapable of locking from the inside.

What a disgrace upon Uvalde PD, their ISD police and the cunty sheriffs departments. They're each packed with liars and cowards. It's a maddening, fucking disgrace they all haven't resigned out of shame let alone been fired and blacklisted. Each member of every one of those departments should have their weapons and ammo confiscated except for a pistol and a single bullet. And then told exactly where to place their loaded pistol on their own chin and which direction to aim.  That's the only acceptable way for any of them to use a weapon in the future: a bullet to their own brains. The fact that the state DPS continues to back them and support them tells you everything you need to know about the state of the practice of law enforcement.

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Chopper

[Post Oak 20595]

6 hours ago, Captainant said:

Fucking cowards cops. Trading children's lives for their own safety. Fucking disgrace. 

Cowards with guns

[MadBurgerMaker 404]

Wat

No one thought to bring the master keys for the school they were going to?  I know they've got them.  The two clown cops at my high school in the 90s had keys.  UTPD can get in to any door we ask them to in the time it takes for a dude to get to the location.

[Scheiss Meister 8480]

Keys are just an excuse and smoke screen for their cowardice and incompetence.  If there had been a big drug bust on the other side of that door it wouldn't have been any barrier at all.

[StruggleBus 3922]

On 6/16/2022 at 4:48 PM, Deej said:

Yet he can't afford a decent haircut. 

I saw him in Vegas once. He’s ten times uglier in person than on tv

[wildcat09 29613]

On 6/19/2022 at 8:14 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I can understand trying to identify the master key by first testing it out on another door but that whole situation points out how poorly they prepared. Shouldn’t a master key be painted a different color.  Shouldn’t the school cops already have a master key and not individual keys. They shouldn’t have to identify the master in the first place.

their security plan seems to failed as soon as the killer walked into a classroom and locked the door behind him.

Contract a security auditor to check out the security status of the school. Of course why should an arrogant school police lead bring someone in from the outside to tell him how to do a better job.

The killer never locked the door.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13758]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

The killer never locked the door.

I've read that some mass shooters actually perform their shooting because they want to be shot/killed by the cops. Obviously there are other ways to off yourself but this is what they do. It's possible the Uvalde shooter was himself confused why the police weren't coming in for him.

[Hawndoh 2409]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

The killer never locked the door.

The door could still have been locked. Just because the door can't be locked from the inside doesn't mean much. In our school the doors are always locked and then just held cracked open with a stopper so you can come and go. But if it latches it is already locked and would need a key to enter. Most schools are supposed to work that way these days. That way anyone can immediately secure a door regardless of whether they have a key.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13758]

48 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

The door could still have been locked. Just because the door can't be locked from the inside doesn't mean much. In our school the doors are always locked and then just held cracked open with a stopper so you can come and go. But if it latches it is already locked and would need a key to enter. Most schools are supposed to work that way these days. That way anyone can immediately secure a door regardless of whether they have a key.

Based on the cooperation of the Uvalde local cops (school and town), I doubt we will ever get a clear accounting on what happened that day.

[Captainant 28623]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Based on the cooperation of the Uvalde local cops (school and town), I doubt we will ever get a clear accounting on what happened that day.

It's starting to drip drip drip out of the police's tight grip on the information.

 

Turns out they're a bunch of fucking cowards who had ballistic shields and rifles in the school, and then retreated for some unknowable reason to allow more children to be slaughtered.

[Captainant 28623]

Here's the KVUE article

Exclusive: Officers arrived at Uvalde school with rifles, ballistic shield 9 minutes after gunman

Quote

Multiple police officers stood in a hallway at Robb Elementary School armed with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within nine minutes of a gunman arriving at the campus, according to documents reviewed by the American-Statesman, a devastating new revelation deepening questions about why police didn’t act faster to stop the shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers.

Even as officers with high-powered weapons and ballistic shields massed inside the blue and green hallway, the gunman could be heard firing rounds — including at 12:21 p.m. — 29 minutes before officers entered the classroom and killed him.

Investigators say the latest information indicates officers had more than enough firepower and protection to take down the gunman long before they finally did.

Authorities have produced the most extensive timeline yet since the 18-year-old armed with an AR-15 walked into the Uvalde school on May 24, shattering a South Texas town and reigniting the gun debate nationwide.

Much of the new information is expected to be presented at a Texas Senate hearing Tuesday, the first of two consecutive days of hearings at the Capitol that will give members of the public their first opportunity to address lawmakers on gun violence and related issues. 

 

[Snake Diggity 4764]

They had to have shot a kid.  It’s the only explanation.

[Scheiss Meister 8480]

3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

They had to have shot a kid.  It’s the only explanation.

I'm starting to think that, too.  And probably early on in the attack.

[Pato del Muerto 53631]

They had everything they needed except courage. 

[GringoSalado 1654]

11 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

They had to have shot a kid.  It’s the only explanation.

I dunno at least that would be evidence of some attempt at stopping the shooter, however badly they fucked it up.

 

No. They didn't do anything. At all.

[atomheartbevo 90707]

Cops are brave enough to kick reporters and parents of the victims out of meetings

Beginning of that exchange

 

[Deej 77940]

Reporters should have carried AR-15's into the meeting. Those pussy cops would have run out of the room. 

[Scheiss Meister 8480]

Cowards and incompetents hiding behind secrecy.  Disgusting maggots.

[The Dog 44888]

 

[Jshep34 2433]

Surprised that there hasn't been q ton of lawsuits filed.

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[freyguy 4368]

https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/uvalde_police_department.php

The City of Uvalde Police Department serves the community by protecting citizens and property, preventing crime, enforcing laws, and maintaining order. The Uvalde Police Department is committed to provide superior police service to the public in order to protect life, property and the freedoms provided by the Constitution.

[Deej 77940]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

But all the cops made it home safely.

"Fuck those kids!", said the Uvalde PD. 

[Deej 77940]

17 minutes ago, freyguy said:

https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/uvalde_police_department.php

The City of Uvalde Police Department serves the community by protecting citizens by harassing citizens driving 3 miles over the speed limit. 

Fixed.

[Scheiss Meister 8480]

56 minutes ago, Jshep34 said:

Surprised that there hasn't been q ton of lawsuits filed.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
 

It won't matter, because the Legislature won't ever vote to lift the immunity of the city or the cops. 

[BabaYaga 15632]

11 hours ago, Deej said:

But all the cops made it home safely.

"Fuck those kids!", said the Uvalde PD. 

JFC, there were what, seven officers with long guns and shields against a single kid.  god damn man, you go in.  You go.  That's it.  Full stop.  That's the job.  

The thing about the radio drives me fucking crazy.  That guy was there to lead.  How the fuck can he do that when he can't even communicate/coordinate to his team?  

You want to get wild, drive a squad car up to the outside door as a feint to batter the door and come in from the inside.  Create a diversion.  Throw a flash bang.

At the end of the day they had all the tools and NONE of the training.  They had body armor and shields, but didn't know fuck all how to coordinate with them inside a building, which is what they were created for.  They fucked this up seven ways to Sunday

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13758]

11 hours ago, freyguy said:

https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/uvalde_police_department.php

The City of Uvalde Police Department serves the community by protecting citizens and property, preventing crime, enforcing laws, and maintaining order. The Uvalde Police Department is committed to provide superior police service to the public in order to protect life, property and the freedoms provided by the Constitution.

Protecting my constitutional freedoms is exactly what I want from my small town police dept. </sarcasm>

I would bet my life that any Uvalde cop couldn't come close to naming the Bill of Rights.

[WBT 21040]

Why does every isd in the state have its own pd now?  What purpose does that serve?