[News/Updates] Mass Shooting at Robb Elementary Uvalde - 5/24/2022

[dcar00 14085]

Just now, Cajun said:

I wouldn’t hang my hat on that last sentence.

yeah, it is definitely unclear at this point and it doesn't seem random.

[mdmost 42958]

2 minutes ago, twosheds said:

My fifth grader would not even look at me this morning as I dropped him off at school.  He told his mom that I had already ruined his summer because I made him sort socks and fold his tshirts last night.  I can not imagine what these moms and dads in uvalde are experiencing.  

Just think of those poor parents who said goodbye to their kids while they were getting out of the car for the final time. 

[Cajun 11702]

7 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

A part of me is happy the shooter is alive. There are worse punishments than death. 

He’s not alive brah.

[BabaYaga 15238]

2 minutes ago, Cajun said:

@BabaYagaReddit posts (fwiw) show some interaction with a girl on Instagram last night where he indicated a “plan” for all of this.

We’ll see.

God, I hope not.  His executing his g-mother lends this credence.  Then a chance ensued and he just happened to try and flee near a school?  Maybe he was intercepted on the way to the school?  Sick fuck either way.

[twosheds 372]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Just think of those poor parents who said goodbye to their kids while they were getting out of the car for the final time. 

That was the point I couldn't make myself type.  I cant imagine the last time seeing my son not looking at me because I made him fold socks.  Totally  nauseating

[JesusSweatDuck 17780]

5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Just think of those poor parents who said goodbye to their kids while they were getting out of the car for the final time. 

That's what breaks me up. As a parent I can't imagine the grief these families are going through right now

[South Austin 52223]

Called my girlfriend to tell her about it and my voice started breaking when talking about my own fifth-grade son. 

It’s going to be hard resisting getting shitfaced tonight.

[Michael Knight 12955]

28 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

man if they had only gotten to him sooner.  unbelievable.

if only, just so unbelievable.

[clapclapclap 9000]

 

[Bernard 879]

Good job keeping everyone safe, guys.

Bernard

[po elvis 2070]

My GF's niece and her class were in the cafeteria at the time and heard gunshots. They ran out of the school and a lady in a house across the street wrangled them in and locked the doors. There was an hour between when we heard the school was on lockdown with an active shooter and the call from my GF's brother that she was ok. Fortunately our tears came from the fact that she made it.

[irishtexan 11459]

35 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

I want his parents to suffer if indeed there were bright red flags they did nothing about. 

Well, considering one of their mothers was just executed by their own son, I'd say you got your wish. 

[Captainant 27523]

I'm really curious to know more about how the shooter ended up at the elementary school. Did he choose to go there or was he chased there by the cops? Seems like there's more to the story in how the shooter ended up at an elementary school he had no affiliation with

[Bernard 879]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I'm really curious to know more about how the shooter ended up at the elementary school. Did he choose to go there or was he chased there by the cops? Seems like there's more to the story in how the shooter ended up at an elementary school he had no affiliation with

Photos show his truck crashed (at the blue dot) in this culvert, not far off the road. Some reports that police were already in pursuit  

Bernard

[Message Board User 12391]

Just an overwhelming feeling of sadness.  But beyond that, a few questions that will need to be answered in the coming days:

• What kind of firearms did the shooter use?
• Were there red flags and were they ignored?
• How did the shooter get into the school?
• What kind of security does the school have?
• And perhaps most perplexing to me - if the shooter was a murder suspect being chased by the cops and then crashed his truck into a ditch, how in the world was he able to make it to a school without the cops intervening?

[52-80 19132]

35 minutes ago, gurt said:

that had to be premeditated-that he kills his grandma and goes over to the school.  No way that would just pop into his head in the moment, right?

No sense in applying normal-person logic to a deranged person. Its not peers/bullies that hes shooting. Its not some perceived enemies or antagonists. 

theres zero motivation fathomable to society why a 18 year old would shoot up 2nd/3rd/4th graders.  

[Brisketexan 104800]

1 minute ago, Enchubben said:

Probably need to have a talk with my kid about what to do in this scenario; do they teach that at all in school like fire drills and whatnot?

They teach it.  It's literally become second nature for American school kids by the time they reach middle school.

[Updawg 2263]

They teach it.  It's literally become second nature for American school kids by the time they reach middle school.

Yep. They teach it early now

[Tylerocks 2552]

1 minute ago, Enchubben said:

Lots of breaks need to be given out in this thread. Not surprising due to the emotional nature of this though.

Surprised he was able to get in so quickly and easily, but most schools seem to have some portable buildings at this point which wouldn’t have the same security as main buildings.

Probably need to have a talk with my kid about what to do in this scenario; do they teach that at all in school like fire drills and whatnot?

I'm not sure how it's possible not to know about active shooter drill, but sadly, yes.  It's routine.

We had "active shooter" training at my last job.

 

 

[InkaUtexas 25636]

So damn sad. I love the fact that my kids are out of school. It scares me my grandkids will go through it. 

School, especially in the last week, should be about friends and fun and making summer plans to be kids. 

RIP littles ones. 

 

[Enchubben 5509]

Just now, Tylerocks said:

I'm not sure how it's possible not to know about active shooter drill, but sadly, yes.  It's routine.

We had "active shooter" training at my last job.

Never had one and kid never mentioned it. Glad to hear they teach it though. 

[Brisketexan 104800]

Just now, Enchubben said:

Never had one and kid never mentioned it. Glad to hear they teach it though. 

It's absurd that we have to.  Kids in other countries do not receive such instruction.  My kids have attended school out of this country, and commented how all the Americans do as they are trained: evaluate each classroom for defilade and escape routes.  Their non-American classmates look at them like they are fucked in the head.

[hobbes2702 12996]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They teach it.  It's literally become second nature for American school kids by the time they reach middle school.

What a country we got here

[CooterBrown 17953]

Never had one and kid never mentioned it. Glad to hear they teach it though. 

They don’t call it an active shooter drill in elementary school. I can’t remember what it’s called but my daughter mentioned it once and that was exactly what it was.

[Homercles 10205]

34 minutes ago, twosheds said:

My fifth grader would not even look at me this morning as I dropped him off at school.  He told his mom that I had already ruined his summer because I made him sort socks and fold his tshirts last night.  I can not imagine what these moms and dads in uvalde are experiencing.  

There’s probably at least one parent who dropped their kiddo off after having a rough morning…maybe the kid was dragging their feet, maybe spilled something on their clothes necessitating a change, running late, stressed out, or otherwise left the child at school under less than ideal circumstances.  Now their child will never come home.  
 

That thought scares the ever living shit out of me.  I just want to hug all the kids…adults are supposed to nurture and protect, not endanger them either directly or indirectly by refusing to take serious steps to prevent this. It kills me.  

[Surlymermaid 444]

Never had one and kid never mentioned it. Glad to hear they teach it though. 

I’m a school counselor-sadly we teach this and so much more on ‘threat awareness’. I’m sad to even be saying this, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea to practice general ‘awareness’ with your child regularly for a variety of threats.
I’m truly heartbroken about this- our students are 3 days away from summer break and the joy that permeates this time of year is palpable.
I hate that this is ‘normal’.


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[Hank_Hill 18670]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's absurd that we have to.  Kids in other countries do not receive such instruction.  My kids have attended school out of this country, and commented how all the Americans do as they are trained: evaluate each classroom for defilade and escape routes.  Their non-American classmates look at them like they are fucked in the head.

Well…we are

[Jersey Man10 3527]

This is fucked.

[atomheartbevo 89513]

26 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

Probably need to have a talk with my kid about what to do in this scenario; do they teach that at all in school like fire drills and whatnot?

Your kids have probably had active-shooter drills, but they weren't told they were active-shooter drills.  They may have been called tornado drills, emergency drills, etc., but if you ask the teachers, and they don't think you're weird, they'll tell you the truth, but it's basically the drills that don't end up with everybody outside like a fire drill.

And many new schools are being designed with features to help negate school shooters.  My jaw dropped when my stepsister was telling me about the safety features of the new school she is going to be teaching at this fall.  Curved halls, automatic fire doors that can be closed remotely to trap a shooter, walls that stick out a few feet in hallways to provide cover, impact-resistant glass, better-secured doors on the classrooms (can be locked remotely), secure hiding places within classrooms themselves, and the list went on.

Edit: You should still have a talk with your kid about what to do in a scenario like this, but depending on their age, maybe don't call it an "active shooter".

Edited May 24, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[DaggerHorns 3066]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Why was he being chased by the cops? 

Apparently he killed his grandma and was running.

[Kel Varnsen 8457]

15 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

They don’t call it an active shooter drill in elementary school. I can’t remember what it’s called but my daughter mentioned it once and that was exactly what it was.

Our school calls them "lock down drill"

[clapclapclap 9000]

Allegedly.  Seems preplanned if real:

 

[mdmost 42958]

1 minute ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Our school calls them "lock down drill"

Yes and it's told to the kids as it there for if an unsafe person is near campus like the homeless. But yeah, it's to prepare your kid for what to do if a person with a gun comes into the school. 

[InkaUtexas 25636]

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's absurd that we have to.  Kids in other countries do not receive such instruction.  My kids have attended school out of this country, and commented how all the Americans do as they are trained: evaluate each classroom for defilade and escape routes.  Their non-American classmates look at them like they are fucked in the head.

Not true. We had them in both El Salvador and Peru. During civil wars. Cuz there was a civil fucking war. 

Yeah, lets think about that. Is that who we want to emulate? 

 

[Carl Spackler 3474]

31 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They teach it.  It's literally become second nature for American school kids by the time they reach middle school.

And how sad is that?

[Carl Spackler 3474]

7 minutes ago, Bernard said:

Also, 15 people are dead in what appears to me to be an easily preventable crime. Seems like the police failing to do their job is a valid point of discussion  

Bernard

I would say let's find out the precise facts concerning law enforcement conduct and activity in connection with this incident before either condemning or exonerating them.  We don't know at this point whether the police "fail[ed] to do their job" in this particular instance.

[South Austin 52223]

My son's on a year-end trip at Camp Allen with his entire fifth-grade class right now.  Thankfully they weren't allowed to bring any mobile devices or other electronics.  But I'm guessing the teachers who are with them will be getting the news (if they haven't learned already) and will be in shock this evening. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

24 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Why was he being chased by the cops? 

Shot his grandma. Word is his mom worked at the school. I’m guessing his mom was the one adult dead there. 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Immaculate Vibes

[deadshank 24651]

All of my Uvalde folks, save one who is a sheriff’s deputy, have reported in with safe youngsters.  I’m sure the deputy is busy right now and will / may get back to me.  His kids go to the elementary school where it happened.   
 

One of my Uvalde friends has a friend of his, whom i don’t know, whose wife was shot.   I don’t know if it is the grandmother that was killed or the teacher that was transported to the SA area hospital.   
 

Plenty of awful to go around for everyone in a small town.  

[closetohumping 17416]

My kids elementary school had an emergency drill this afternoon.   Had to sign out to get her.  Hits home.  Rip little ones.  

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Spent some time at an elementary Friday.  It’s so disturbing picturing kids that age and all of this. 

[Cajun 11702]

37 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

If the police allowed the murder suspect to enter a school, then I have to give them less than an “A” on the pursuit. 

And yeah, no facts to support wtf happened yet.  Just sayin…

Look closely at the tree in the right foreground in this screengrab of the video on Twitter showing the gunman across the street entering the school.  I'm pretty sure that's an LEO with a rifle posting up under it looking right at the dude stumbling into the school...

Edited May 24, 2022 by Cajun
Might even be two of 'em standing there.

[OB3 3608]

Updated to 18 kids dead and 3 adults

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 minute ago, OB3 said:

Updated to 18 kids dead and 3 adults

Jfc

[Guest]

1 hour ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

It's sad but my kids school is set up to protect against this. You can't get in except through the front office and the office has bulletproof glass. How fucked up is it that we need that.

 

All the classes have a shared restroom that are active shooter shelters as well. Makes me so sad this is actually needed in schools

I’m in HP and it’s similar at the two schools my kids go to. Entry to the schools has been more lax post pandemic quarantine. 

I can’t fathom how this happened or how we should be okay with it. Texas is in a unique position to actually lead the way here, for a few reasons. It’s a very sad reality but we at least can do something positive about it. 

[winning_is_hard 38]

Award ceremony was happening at school. Shooter targeted ex-girlfriend and his mother who was a teacher at the school and then started shooting kids.  All this according to my cousin whose kids go to the elementary school.  Fortunately they were fine. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by winning_is_hard

[conVINCEd 21468]

1 hour ago, Updawg said:

Yep. They teach it early now

Kindergarten.  Wife teaches at a recently built school with with significant resources to throw at security.  I’d have better luck robbing a bank than getting into that school with an assault rifle.  It is all very well done, blends in, etc in the interior of the school.  The front door reminded me of the time a visited a cousin in prison minus the razor wire.    Her previous school was so old they had a hard time retrofitting security measures.  You might be able to get in the back/side doors if you were willing to use explosives.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Just now, winning_is_hard said:

Award ceremony was happening at school. Shooter targeted ex-girlfriend and his mother who was a teacher at the school and then started shooting kids.  All this according to my cousin whose kids go to the elementary school.  Fortunately they were fine. 

Why would an 18 year Old’s girlfriend be in an elementary school. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

1 minute ago, winning_is_hard said:

Award ceremony was happening at school. Shooter targeted ex-girlfriend and his mother who was a teacher at the school and then started shooting kids.  All this according to my cousin whose kids go to the elementary school.  Fortunately they were fine. 

The school is for 2nd-4th grade. Why would an 18yo ex girlfriend be there? 

[Kel Varnsen 8457]

Student Aide? Many High Schools let students go down and help with Elementary students.