[Discussion] Mass Shooting at Uvalde Elementary School

[Godzillatron 292]

Yeah. We wanted swat to mobilize and move in faster than 40 minutes. Of course. But how much faster should we expect at a small town? What is reasonable? And then apply the manpower, training, militarization to get that timeframe down to say maybe 10 minutes for all the small towns in the US.  That is massive reform - IMO - to address our mass shooting pandemic. 
 
Or is the solution to mass shootings somewhere else?

This wasn’t Whitman on the tower with a commanding view of campus, and even then Ramirez and McCoy put their personal safety behind the greater good to stop the shooting.

[Handcruser 2805]

Has handcruser stopped selling guns to people under 21 yet?

The right wingers and gun nuts sure are quiet these last couple of days. Haven’t heard many suggestions and when you do, and ask if they vote for politicians that would pass such laws, they disappear.

What did I do wrong?

[pops 6973]

Probably way off topic and I know this isn't the ticket thread,  but gordo read an email he got from a teacher the other day after the shooting and one sentence she wrote really hit home. I'm not going to go back and listed to get it exactly right but she said something about this big group project we are all in. Meaning life. 

We've all had group projects. Kindergarten. High school. College. Grad school. And we've all had idiots we had to deal with (looking right and left)  but we figured it out. When can we just stop and figure it out?  I'm pro gun. Pro 2A. But an 18 year old should never be allowed to buy an AR on his birthday. Let alone ammo. I'm drunk. And rambling. But when can the 80% of us in this country that are pretty much on the same page take back control. This is so dumb. 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

19 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

What did I do wrong?

Nothing.

You said you were in favor of several ideas to restrict gun sales, one of those was not selling to anyone under 21.  Another person then asked, since you are the business owner, why don't you be proactive and make that your store's policy?  What is stopping you from doing that if you believe in that restriction?  Hell, probably get some really good press out of it.

My question was, all those ideas you support, do you vote for politicians that will pass such laws?  I don't think any of the current republicans from Texas would do such things, did you vote for them?  Will you now vote for someone else that will be willing to put these controls in place?

[Handcruser 2805]

Nothing.
You said you were in favor of several ideas to restrict gun sales, one of those was not selling to anyone under 21.  Another person then asked, since you are the business owner, why don't you be proactive and make that your store's policy?  What is stopping you from doing that if you believe in that restriction?  Hell, probably get some really good press out of it.
My question was, all those ideas you support, do you vote for politicians that will pass such laws?  I don't think any of the current republicans from Texas would do such things, did you vote for them?  Will you now vote for someone else that will be willing to put these controls in place?

I don’t own the gun store. Not sure how you got that idea. I do t make the rules but I didn’t sell anything to anyone under 21 today.

In regards to voting - there are lots of issues that impact that. I’ve voted both sides of the aisle many times. If there’s a candidate that has good ideas I do t care which side he’s on.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

9 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

I don’t own the gun store. Not sure how you got that idea. I do t make the rules but I didn’t sell anything to anyone under 21 today.

In regards to voting - there are lots of issues that impact that. I’ve voted both sides of the aisle many times. If there’s a candidate that has good ideas I do t care which side he’s on.

Fair enough.  Thank you for replying.

[High Plains Drifter 10970]

 

these fucking dickless cocksuckers

 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

11 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I mean it hasn't come out that any of the cops actually shot the kids but that's about the only way they could've performed worse.  

He’s just saying the average cop is Barney Fife.  They cosplay tough guys in tacticool gear, and we play along with our punisher stickers and thin blue line flags.  But these are just guys that were issued a uniform.  They don’t have any real training.  They don’t have their lieutenant ordering them to take the next hill.  
 

We need to eliminate the mindset that these people are capable of great things because they are not.  They are just guys that needed a job.  They cosplay is all a charade. Don’t forget that. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21052]

9 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

He’s just saying the average cop is Barney Fife.  They cosplay tough guys in tacticool gear, and we play along with our punisher stickers and thin blue line flags.  But these are just guys that were issued a uniform.  They don’t have any real training.  They don’t have their lieutenant ordering them to take the next hill.  
 

We need to eliminate the mindset that these people are capable of great things because they are not.  They are just guys that needed a job.  They cosplay is all a charade. Don’t forget that. 

Shit, yeah, went back and read his post.  Get it now.  He's saying we shouldn't be surprised...what those cowards did is par for the bullying coward cop culture. 

[gmr548 16491]

On 5/26/2022 at 1:13 PM, Michael Knight said:

Buy every minority in America an AR-15 and every woman 2 guns then you'll see talk for curbing gun sales.

"You know what we have to do. This is a fucking election year, we have to be serious. Every able-bodied African American must register for a legal firearm. That's the only way they'll change the law." - Dave Chappelle. 

15 hours ago, Celery Man said:

If we can’t or won’t expect run of the mill cops to go in and engage, perhaps e we should recognize that they are for traffic enforcement and filing paperwork and arm them appropriately. These guys don’t need to accidentally find themselves holding a gun when they’re dealing with a black teen, they don’t need tools to engage when they begin fearing for their lives.

 

Absolutely. There is no compelling reason for patrol cops to have guns. They have proven they can't be trusted with them countless times over, and they aren't using them to make anyone safer.

14 hours ago, Captainant said:

 

"Cops when a black suspect..."*

13 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

It's clear that the American people want real, effective gun control.  Background checks have >80% approval in virtually every poll.  And assault-weapons ban gets about 3-1 approval.  But Congress won't act to accomplish that, because our democracy is broken.  Perhaps irretrievably so.  

So when your government doesn't work, there's only one option for the people to take: direct action.

On this issue, that means burning down gun stores.  Go in the middle of the night with a few molotov cocktails, and burn them the fuck down.  Fuck--with all the ammunition and shit inside, they'll go up with quite a lot of drama long before the fire fighters can do anything about it.  

And what?  Are you going to be morally troubled because Handcruiser just lost his business?  Fuck no.  Fuck him.  He profited off human misery for long enough.

And anyways, his losses are insured.  But that's really the point, isn't it?  You don't have to burn down every gun store.  You just have to burn down enough to make them uninsurable.

If we want change in this country, our course is clear.

Just want to say that ledge GOLL is an interesting counter to Brisket.

 

@Handcruser - you never answered the question. Are you a member of the NRA?

[Handcruser 2805]

Just want to say that ledge GOLL is an interesting counter to Brisket.
 
[mention=214]Handcruser[/mention] - you never answered the question. Are you a member of the NRA?

I am. For instructor certifications.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

6 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

I am. For instructor certifications.

So when you said you were in favor of broader background checks and raising the age to purchase AR-15s what you meant was "every year I financially support an organization who lobbies aggressively and successfully to ensure none of the things I'm in favor of actually happen."

[DigglerontheHoof 21052]

18 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

So when you said you were in favor of broader background checks and raising the age to purchase AR-15s what you meant was "every year I financially support an organization who lobbies aggressively and successfully to ensure none of the things I'm in favor of actually happen."

He. Doesn’t. Care.

Whatever answer he gives you will be self-serving, disingenuous and tone deaf.

[Handcruser 2805]

He. Doesn’t. Care.
Whatever answer he gives you will be self-serving, disingenuous and tone deaf.

In that case I would have said no.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

37 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

So when you said you were in favor of broader background checks and raising the age to purchase AR-15s what you meant was "every year I financially support an organization who lobbies aggressively and successfully to ensure none of the things I'm in favor of actually happen."

No, what he means is there is no alternative to get instructor certifications. If you want people to be trained to use guns, the sad truth is that that means that people who don't care for the NRA have to be members just to get certifications to be an instructor. Otherwise there would be no training.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.  I look at it more in terms of neutralizing one of their key red herring arguments: "What we really need is good guys with guns!"  Fuck you, we had good guys with guns, lots of them, it was an utter failure.  Cross that solution off your bullshit list.

 

Seems to me there were a bunch of bad guys with guns who were intent on preventing a few good guys with guns (and some without, but you know there were parents there who had them either on them or in their vehicles in Uvalde mfing Texas) from engaging the other bad guy with guns.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Alright, for you folks who live in districts with Democrat representatives, I have a proposal for you. If you really want to do something that might have material impact on this, there has to be a different tactic than the hardline stance that the Democratic Party has on gun control. Every gun control law passed has had compromises with the gun rights side in order to pass. The people pushing NFA of 1933 originally wanted to put hand guns on the NFA registry, but they made a concession and left them off (also partly because they did not believe it would survive scrutiny in the courts). The gun control act of 1968, which established the FFL system through which we buy firearms and required manufacturers to include serial numbers on firearms has a special category of antique firearms that don't have any special requirements for purchasing. That basically includes all firearms manufactured before 1898 that don't fall under the NFA, and replicas of firearms manufactured before 1898 that don't use cartridge ammunition. The latter is basically muzzleloaders where you have to pour loose powder down the barrel and then push a load of shot or a round ball down with a ramrod and either prime the pan in the case of a flintlock, or put a percussion cap on the nipple at the breech end in the case of a percussion gun. This was later amended to include muzzleloaders of modern designs. These guns can be purchased without going through any kind of dealer or background check. They are basically the only kinds of guns that felons or other prohibited persons (such as DACA folks, my compadre who was DACA, but has since obtained a green card was able to hunt with a muzzleloader for the last two seasons, so don't automatically assume that any prohibited person doesn't deserve to be able to have one) can own or possess. The gun control act of 1968 also established the "gun show loophole," which is basically that private sells between individuals not in the business of selling firearms don't have to go through a dealer (unless state law dictates otherwise). On the flip side of things, the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 liberalized protections for gun owners after the ATF got a little to happy holding their own dick and ensured a few rights for gun owners such as prohibiting any new gun registries and protecting gun owners who were traveling across state lines (such as those going on hunting trips in states on the other side of the country) from being screwed around with by the local or state police. But that came at the cost of limiting all new fully automatic registrations in the NFA to only those manufactured before 1986. It was a small concession (at the time), but the ATF FAFO on that matter through their own misconduct. Anyhow, that's a lot of words to say that pretty much every meaningful gun reform has required some give and take from both sides. 

 

If you truly want to make a difference in our country instead of just bloviating on the internet about how something must be done and supporting the same old proposals that go nowhere, consider urging your reps to offer something up like this.

1. Universal Background Checks. There is no reason why we shouldn't have them, and most law abiding gun owners won't sell a firearm in a face to face transaction to someone who they believe to be a prohibited person. At the same time, the ATF has been digitizing records of FFL transactions at a pace that is alarming to gun rights proponents. There is a middle ground in which a person who wishes to purchase a gun from another private individual can submit all their information to the ATF and have themselves cleared through the NICS background check System and recieve an alphanumeric code valid for a set number of days that the seller can then submit to the system, and, combined with a state or federally issued ID, verify that that person is qualified to own a firearm and compete the sale. This allays the fears of gun rights proponents that the federal government is creating an illegal registry and allows gun owners to sell their firearms at fair market value to other potential gun owners without having to worry about whether or not they are a prohibited person. It doesn't create a paper trail, but it is better than the system we have and is the best shot we have at actually getting universal background checks.

2. High Capacity Magazines. As much as many people think that the AR-15 or AR-10 is some kind of evil gun, the only thing that distinguishes it from a functional perception from other semiautomatic magazine rifles that have been around for over 100 years when it comes to instances like this is that 30 round magazines for it are pretty much standard. Due to it's ability to be made to accept over a hundred different calibres, it is an exceptionally handy gun for pretty much any shooting activity and any game animal in North America. It is the most popular new rifle platform sold in America largely for those reasons. But few of those activities require high capacity magazines (in fact they often get in the way while hunting, which is why many hunters choose to use 10 round magazines), the key feature that make it the choice of many mass shooters. I would propose adding magazines over 10 rounds for rifles and 15 rounds for pistols to the Destructive Device category of the NFA. There would have to be a transition period, and more funds would have to be allocated to the ATF to account for the millions in circulation. The government could also create a program by which they would reimburse manufacturers for people to trade in their high capacity magazines for new lower capacity ones. There would also probably need to be some relaxation of some of the other regulations for them when it comes to stuff like transport across states lines and things of that nature, but that gets a little too detailed for an already detailed post.

3. Nationwide Reciprocity. Create a federal standard for concealed handgun licenses that meets suitable and extensive background check requirements. If a states concealed handgun license meets those requirements, licensees are able to carry in any state in the union. Gun control advocates often like to say that we should treat guns like cars. Let them put their money where their mouth is. If another state has to recognize your driver's license, then they should have to recognize your ability to carry a concealed weapon if your license meets federal standards.

4. The Hearing Protection Act. Remove silencers from the NFA. Hollywood has created the perception that silencers actually silence the report of a firearm. This is largely untrue, and is why the industry refers to them as suppressors. In almost all cases, they lower the report of a firearm to a level that is borderline safe for the human ear. It is still about as loud as a nail gun, but it won't damage your hearing so much. The benefits of this to sportsmen are vast, and it is a big reason why they have become so popular despite having to pay the $200 tax and comply with all of the extra regulations. And, despite them being as easy to manufacture as getting a thread adapter and screwing an oil filter on to the end of your barrel, they are rarely used in crimes, because they really don't offer criminals much benefit.

5. Enforce the laws we have on the books with real teeth. The form you have to fill out to buy a firearm is the 4473. You have to attest that you meet all of the qualifications to purchase a firearm before the FFL calls in the background check through the NICS system. If you lie on that form, you have less than one tenth percent chance of even being investigated. This is utterly unacceptable. We need to actually have consequences for those who try to cheat their way through the system. 

 

Anyhow, I spent a bunch of time typing this out, and I hope someone actually listens. I believe that this proposal would get enough support from gun owners that it might actually have a chance at passing and make a difference. I know that many of you may not be fond of some of the compromises, but that is how legislation passes. If you want to keep doing nothing by pushing for laws that have no chance at passing, then you can keep doing so. And you will keep watching kids die and keep blaming the other side.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Too late to edit, but I almost forgot about the last bit of my proposal.

6. Red Flag Laws. Many lives would be saved if we had proper and robust red flag laws. But they need to have fair due process. They cannot be designed so angry exes report someone who then has to go through years of red tape just to get their rights that they never should have lost back. And their should be consequences for malicious use of them.

 

[956 Worldwide 34422]

@NotActuallyALonghorn, all those proposals sound great. All of them have been proposed and pushed by Democrats. All of them have been blocked, or actively undone by Republicans.  There is one party that won’t compromise on guns, and it’s not the Democrats.

The Republicans in Texas have not just failed to compromise— they’ve spent decades shifting the status quo to the right, as well as any window for compromise.  I’m 40 and I remember when concealed carry wasn’t allowed in Texas even with a license.  Now anyone over 18 can carry anything they want with no license, so long as they don’t have a criminal record. 
 

Important to note on your nationwide reciprocity idea— Texas has no concealed license requirement AT ALL now.  So your proposal would require Texas and other GOP states with “constitutional carry” to compromise by re-tightening their own laws. What is the likelihood of that? Be honest. 
 

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by 956 Worldwide

[scottsins 1953]

[mention=1963]NotActuallyALonghorn[/mention], all those proposals sound great. All of them have been proposed and pushed by Democrats. All of them have been blocked, or actively undone by Republicans.  There is one party that won’t compromise on guns, and it’s not the Democrats.
The Republicans in Texas have not just failed to compromise— they’ve spent decades shifting the status quo to the right, as well as any window for compromise.  I’m 40 and I remember when concealed carry wasn’t allowed in Texas even with a license.  Now anyone over 18 can carry anything they want with no license, so long as they don’t have a criminal record. 
 
Important to note on your nationwide reciprocity idea— Texas has no concealed license requirement AT ALL now.  So your proposal would require Texas and other GOP states with “constitutional carry” to compromise by re-tightening their own laws. What is the likelihood of that? Be honest. 
 
 

A criminal record is not a bar, unless that record includes a conviction for either a felony or a family violence misdemeanor.

[statsman 5421]

9 hours ago, Godzillatron said:

This wasn’t Whitman on the tower with a commanding view of campus, and even then Ramirez and McCoy put their personal safety behind the greater good to stop the shooting.

Whitman did most of the lethal shooting in the first minutes. Once citizens (and students from west campus) started firing (fairly inaccurately, because they’re very hard shots) from the ground up to the tower too, with their deer rifles, he no longer had the time to sight in, and wasn’t able to hit as many people. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

7 hours ago, Handcruser said:

In that case I would have said no.

But you would have meant yes. Does it at least bother you a little bit you financially support an organization that lobbies to ensure none of the gun laws you supposedly are in favor of become law? 

While we're here (I've never talked to a gun dealer before):

Are you paid on commission?

Do gun shops get notified when their products result in death? 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

@NotActuallyALonghorn, all those proposals sound great. All of them have been proposed and pushed by Democrats. All of them have been blocked, or actively undone by Republicans.  There is one party that won’t compromise on guns, and it’s not the Democrats.

The Republicans in Texas have not just failed to compromise— they’ve spent decades shifting the status quo to the right, as well as any window for compromise.  I’m 40 and I remember when concealed carry wasn’t allowed in Texas even with a license.  Now anyone over 18 can carry anything they want with no license, so long as they don’t have a criminal record. 
 

Important to note on your nationwide reciprocity idea— Texas has no concealed license requirement AT ALL now.  So your proposal would require Texas and other GOP states with “constitutional carry” to compromise by re-tightening their own laws. What is the likelihood of that? Be honest. 
 

 

Negative. The Democrats backed the Manchin Toomey universal background check bill instead of the Tom Coburn proposal which would have had a better shot at passing and is basically what I have described. They have vigorously opposed the Hearing Protection Act, going so fat as to spread mistrooths about suppressors are actually capable of in order to justify their actions. They have also opposed nation wide reciprocity. They have made no concessions in order to get concessions from the other side. Oh, and most states that have no requirement to get a concealed handgun license still offer them for reciprocity reasons. Texas definitely does.

[Larry T. Spider 1740]

14 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

You will get a response from Cornyn and Abbott, even if it’s just a form response from some intern. You will not get any response from Cruz, but your email will now be on his fundraising list so you’ll get spam asking for donations.  

I’m not joking, btw.  

I can confirm. Emailed years ago and immediately started getting fundraising emails. Fuck that guy.

[Pam Cummings 9567]

We should just build a big statue of a child running in terror from a gunman and put it right at the state capitol.

[Pam Cummings 9567]

27 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Negative. The Democrats backed the Manchin Toomey universal background check bill instead of the Tom Coburn proposal which would have had a better shot at passing and is basically what I have described. They have vigorously opposed the Hearing Protection Act, going so fat as to spread mistrooths about suppressors are actually capable of in order to justify their actions. They have also opposed nation wide reciprocity. They have made no concessions in order to get concessions from the other side. Oh, and most states that have no requirement to get a concealed handgun license still offer them for reciprocity reasons. Texas definitely does.

Republicans: offer toothless, shitty legislation

Democrats: no, thats not enough

Republicans: the dems wont compromize!!!!!1!1!!!1!

Edited May 28, 2022 by Pam Cummings

[MontereyMX 847]

Hawkins: Practical Steps to Keep Schools, Students Safe (breitbart.com)

pretty good article with much needed common sense approach

[Pam Cummings 9567]

5 minutes ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

Hawkins: Practical Steps to Keep Schools, Students Safe (breitbart.com)

pretty good article with much needed common sense approach

Fuck everything about that article and the morons who subscribe to that thinking.

[MontereyMX 847]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

Fuck everything about that article and the morons who subscribe to that thinking.

lol ok

[Pam Cummings 9567]

Just now, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

lol ok

Glad 18 kids dying is lol worthy to you. Cool.

[Sbbruin 21708]

2 minutes ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

lol ok

If you think arming teachers is the solution, you’re a fucking moron.

[achooloco 1065]

10 minutes ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

Hawkins: Practical Steps to Keep Schools, Students Safe (breitbart.com)

pretty good article with much needed common sense approach

 

Just now, Sbbruin said:

If you think arming teachers is the solution, you’re a fucking moron.

Was going to say, if arming teachers nationwide at any point enters your list of solutions, just sit down shut up and let the adults with above room temperature IQ come up with a solution.

[Pam Cummings 9567]

Imagine thinking that we should just instill so much fear into everyone as to be ready to pull a gun and fight a mass shooter at the drop of a hat. Fucking terrorists is what that makes you.

[Js1 85095]

5 minutes ago, achooloco said:

 

Was going to say, if arming teachers nationwide at any point enters your list of solutions, just sit down shut up and let the adults with above room temperature IQ come up with a solution.

Turn schools into prisons and put more guns in the schools!  

[Js1 85095]

35 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Republicans: offer toothless, shitty legislation

Democrats: no, thats not enough

Republicans: the dems wont compromize!!!!!1!1!!!1!

It’s always the Dems have to compromise and accept GOP legislation on guns. Like making the firefighters compromise with the arsonists. 

[Homercles 10205]

11 minutes ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

lol ok

You posted a Breitbart article that says we need to turn schools into single-entry prisons with fencing and roving guards.  

[Celery Man 20882]

7 minutes ago, achooloco said:

 

Was going to say, if arming teachers nationwide at any point enters your list of solutions, just sit down shut up and let the adults with above room temperature IQ come up with a solution.

if you frame a "first off, no gun control" approach as a common sense solution, you are incredibly fucking stupid

[aggie08 21424]

18 minutes ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

Hawkins: Practical Steps to Keep Schools, Students Safe (breitbart.com)

pretty good article with much needed common sense approach

Oh fuck right off. Breitbart? Are you shitting me?

Quote

At the outset let me note that gun control is not part of the solution, because gun control and “gun-free zone” policies only impact those who are inclined to follow laws and policies. (To put it plainly, gun control curtails the freedom of untold millions of Americans who have nothing to do with a given attack while setting in place rules which the next determined attacker will ignore when he is ready to strike.)

Imagine being dumb enough to read that disclaimer a few days after a kid legally bought two ARs on his 18th birthday to shoot up a school, and think anything that follows could be construed as "common sense."

[Chooky 13302]

If I wanted to shoot a bunch of people and then stymie the response of law enforcement, a single entry building would seem ideal. Yes, come. Single file if you would, please. 

[Sawbonz 27398]

33 minutes ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

Hawkins: Practical Steps to Keep Schools, Students Safe (breitbart.com)

pretty good article with much needed common sense approach

Do you get headaches when you read?

[Handcruser 2805]

But you would have meant yes. Does it at least bother you a little bit you financially support an organization that lobbies to ensure none of the gun laws you supposedly are in favor of become law? 
While we're here (I've never talked to a gun dealer before):
Are you paid on commission?
Do gun shops get notified when their products result in death? 

Yeah - I don’t like the nra. USCCA is becoming an aternative though.

Never get commission. Pretty standard I. The industry that commission is not paid. I can also refuse any sale I want for any reason. Not a problem.

[DaysOff 7851]

Fine. Max schools a supermax. Just wait until the chaos of parent pickup to do your murdering.

[DaysOff 7851]

IT'S THE GUNS STUPID.

[Handcruser 2805]

But you would have meant yes. Does it at least bother you a little bit you financially support an organization that lobbies to ensure none of the gun laws you supposedly are in favor of become law? 
While we're here (I've never talked to a gun dealer before):
Are you paid on commission?
Do gun shops get notified when their products result in death? 

Yeah - I don’t like the nra. USCCA is becoming an aternative though.

Never get commission. Pretty standard I. The industry that commission is not paid. I can also refuse any sale I want for any reason. Not a problem.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

It’s always the Dems have to compromise and accept GOP legislation on guns. Like making the firefighters compromise with the arsonists. 

What did the dems compromise about gun control in 2012 post Sandy hook?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Good. Fucking. Lord.

We aren't even living in a shared reality anymore.

[Brisketexan 104557]

Fuck everything about that article and the morons who subscribe to that thinking.

if you frame a "first off, no gun control" approach as a common sense solution, you are incredibly fucking stupid

It’s impossible to state how “hot garbage” that piece is. But I’ll just throw one curveball that wrecks the whole thing:
Now do Buffalo grocery stores and El Paso Wal-Marts.

Jesus tapdancing Christ, it isn’t JUST schools, schools are just the most heinous example. It’s as if sections of our highways periodically exploded and destroyed all the vehicles on them. One day, they destroy 5 sedans in Buffalo, filled with a mix of folks. We’re horrified, but I guess not horrified enough. The next day, one segment blows up in Uvalde and kills a school bus full of elementary school kids, to our profound horror.

Abbott, Cruz, and their moronic sycophants would spend the entire time talking about “hardening school buses,” and “better bus driver training,” and other bullshit. NO, YOU MALEVOLENT FUCKSTICKS, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUSES, IT’S ABOUT THE REGULARLY EXPLODING ROADS. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT’S ABOUT.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Good. Fucking. Lord.
We aren't even living in a shared reality anymore.

I don’t own a gun, nor give a shit about what obstacles one has to go through if the government one day decides to make it tougher to acquire one. I think it’s crazy how easy it is for disturbed folks to get guns in under an hour. Maybe start out with first and foremost family history? If one has a father, brother etc that’s served time for guns? Moms on meth like in this instance….maybe those folks should have to go through extreme background checks of basically everything along with evaluations, classes and delays.

If family history shows registered gun owners are clean and for years or generations they’ve followed all of the rules to owning a gun, then those individuals could possibly get by easier with purchasing a gun- maybe a co-sign if someone’s under 21.


I’m just responding to someone posting about toothless reform and zero compromise. What’s your shared reality? Mine is these events will continue to happen. idiots like you will spend 10 hrs a day posting how raged they are, this thread eventually drops to page 2,3 and 4 and then out of mind until next one.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I don’t own a gun, nor give a shit about what obstacles one has to go through if the government one day decides to make it tougher to acquire one. I think it’s crazy how easy it is for disturbed folks to get guns in under an hour. Maybe start out with first and foremost family history? If one has a father, brother etc that’s served time for guns? Moms on meth like in this instance….maybe those folks should have to go through extreme background checks of basically everything along with evaluations, classes and delays.


I’m just responding to someone posting about toothless reform and zero compromise. What’s your shared reality? Mine is these events will continue to happen. idiots like you will spend 10 hrs a day posting how raged they are, this thread eventually drops to page 2,3 and 4 and then out of mind until next one.

Well we both agree nothing will be done to try and stop these tragedies and they will continue to happen. Yay.

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1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Fuck everything about that article and the morons who subscribe to that thinking.

Took me a few minutes to realize that that post wasn't a joke.

It really is crazy how far the Abbotts and Patricks and Cruzes and their ilk will bend over backwards to claim that mass shootings have nothing to do with gun control, and refuse out-of-hand to even have a real conversation about it with anyone who disagrees with their policies. If I have a pond, and my fish keep dying, at some point I have to stop trying to treat individual fish and acknowledge that there's something in the water.