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58 minutes ago, Go Pokes said:

That's nice to see.  I wonder when aggy will start referencing the Pac Dumpster Fire?  

answer:  Never, unless tu joins the Pac-12

Don't get me started on the "synergistic possibilities" of having elite western AAU state flagship universities (PAC) with some powerful brands that have solid/ regional rivals (XII)...

 

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32 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So $36.5 million plus the $15 million for the LHN is $51.5 million. I would think that would put us ahead of any other conference distribution.

By & far, the current setup in the XII is better than any other option that involves parsing the league for relatively minor pay bump of joining the "Rust Belt Conference" known as B1G...

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Not like any fans actually see any of this cash. Big 12 is flush with money but it's dead in terms of any sort of influence or reputation.  Look at the scheduling snubs and early kickoff  times.  Big 12 has to get better, but sure, they are making plenty of money, i guess, but seeing rich universities rake in $36 million doesnt move the needle for me. 

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23 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Not like any fans actually see any of this cash. Big 12 is flush with money but it's dead in terms of any sort of influence or reputation.  Look at the scheduling snubs and early kickoff  times.  Big 12 has to get better, but sure, they are making plenty of money, i guess, but seeing rich universities rake in $36 million doesnt move the needle for me. 

 Yet being on your rival school’s fansite does

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31 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

...but it's dead in terms of any sort of influence or reputation.

"Dead" is not the right word because it implies permanence, and if you assume permanence, you are assuming that Texas will always be as bad as it has been the last few years. As soon as Texas is good again, the conference will be as reputable as it ever was. 

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43 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Not like any fans actually see any of this cash. Big 12 is flush with money but it's dead in terms of any sort of influence or reputation.  Look at the scheduling snubs and early kickoff  times.  Big 12 has to get better, but sure, they are making plenty of money, i guess, but seeing rich universities rake in $36 million doesnt move the needle for me. 

Fuck off, aggy. No one wants to hear about your tiny dicks. 

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Well that is certainly possible, but if only two teams are carrying the flag, I still don’t see how they will be able to achieve the status they had 10 years ago. At this point the SEC and big 10 in my opinion are significantly better off. They are consistently good and I think the big 12 could best hope to just be considered their equals. They lost too much ground to the sec. we’d need more consistency from osu, tcu, wvu

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2 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Well that is certainly possible, but if only two teams are carrying the flag, I still don’t see how they will be able to achieve the status they had 10 years ago. At this point the SEC and big 10 in my opinion are significantly better off. They are consistently good and I think the big 12 could best hope to just be considered their equals. They lost too much ground to the sec. we’d need more consistency from osu, tcu, wvu

How them coattails?

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1 minute ago, Longboard Horn said:

The Big 12 isn't dead, but I'm still waiting for them to boot out Baylor.

Amen. That's really my only complaint about the conference, actually. Most other things that are wrong with this conference are Texas' fault for sucking for 10 years. Stop sucking, and everything will be fine.

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35 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Well that is certainly possible, but if only two teams are carrying the flag, I still don’t see how they will be able to achieve the status they had 10 years ago. At this point the SEC and big 10 in my opinion are significantly better off. They are consistently good and I think the big 12 could best hope to just be considered their equals. They lost too much ground to the sec. we’d need more consistency from osu, tcu, wvu

The SEC has been annually a solid football conference for the better part of 2 decades since the early 1990's while the B1G has had trouble being relevant other than Ohio State for the better part of about 50 years; as no other school besides Michigan's 1 half title of 1997 has came close to winning it all...

Heck the B1G couldn't even make the CFP Final 4 this year to an SEC team that didn't even win it's own division, nor make the conference title game, due to past perceptions...

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46 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Well that is certainly possible, but if only two teams are carrying the flag, I still don’t see how they will be able to achieve the status they had 10 years ago. At this point the SEC and big 10 in my opinion are significantly better off. They are consistently good and I think the big 12 could best hope to just be considered their equals. They lost too much ground to the sec. we’d need more consistency from osu, tcu, wvu

I mean, how's that different than 2000-2009, when B12 teams played in 7 of 10 national title games and the conference was considered to be as good as any? I guess Nebraska helped carry things in 2001, but that's really about the only difference, and they haven't been worth a shit since then, really.

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The SEC has been annually a solid football conference for the better part of 2 decades since the early 1990's while the B1G has had trouble being relevant other than Ohio State for the better part of about 50 years; as no other school besides Michigan's 1 half title of 1997 has came close to winning it all...
Heck the B1G couldn't even make the CFP Final 4 this year to an SEC team that didn't even win it's own division, nor make the conference title game, due to past perceptions...


Yes but, that’s really more a reflection of how they felt about Alabama. Plus they have a bad loss to another team who was in the playoffs as well. But if you recall Ohio State got in in the same manner and won a championship a few years ago too.

It’s true that the SEC has had a good track record before that, but in 2008 The Big 12 and SEC were pretty much considered equal at that point but SEC was trending and now we are where we’re at. Remember in 2008 the big 12 south had 3 teams in the top 5 deep into November. Then both OU and TX were down from that
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I mean, how's that different than 2000-2009, when B12 teams played in 7 of 10 national title games and the conference was considered to be as good as any? I guess Nebraska helped carry things in 2001, but that's really about the only difference, and they haven't been worth a shit since then, really.

Well We do have occasional help from teams like Missouri and Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. Even KSU and even Kansas in 07. Not every year of course but occasionally those teams did rise pretty far. I think the real difference though is in the Second tier teams in the big 12 compared to the second tier teams in the SEC.
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6 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:


Well We do have occasional help from teams like Missouri and Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. Even KSU and even Kansas in 07. Not every year of course but occasionally those teams did rise pretty far. I think the real difference though is in the Second tier teams in the big 12 compared to the second tier teams in the SEC.

Um...TCU and Ok St both spent significant time in the top 10 the last few years. KSU, WVU have had their moments recently too. 

Again, I just don't see the difference. It was UT and OU last decade, with a solid supporting cast. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:


Well We do have occasional help from teams like Missouri and Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. Even KSU and even Kansas in 07. Not every year of course but occasionally those teams did rise pretty far. I think the real difference though is in the Second tier teams in the big 12 compared to the second tier teams in the SEC.

Who gives a shit about what people think about the Big 12 vs sec? The only problem that the Horns have is that they have been shitty and have made dicey coaching and AD hires.  All elite programs have fallen of the cliff at times. But make no mistake we will be back. Because we're Texas. JFC we are getting elite recruiting classes despite horrible on-field results.

At Texas, we will always get great recruits. We need great coaching and leadership. 

We're certainly not aggy, who has to make up mythical championships to display on the stadium or hire a recruiter who tries to awkwardly relate to the young kids that Chris Hansen will be interviewing him on a Dateline Special coming soon. We're not 2nd tier program that depends on others in the conference to be good so we can have cred for victories.

Simply put, conference rankings don't mean shit. Texas wins all of their games, or just wins the Big 12, we will be in the final four. And that doesn't change if every Big 12 team is mediocre or how strong the sec is. Therefore, we don't have to resort to trying to sell how strong the Big 12 is or root for the other conference teams so we can scream "Big 12! Big 12!". I hate all other Big 12 teams. You know, because they are fighting us in the fucking standings.

AND...Texas is paid more than any school with the additional funds from the LHN. Suck it.

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Who gives a shit about what people think about the Big 12 vs sec? The only problem that the Horns have is that they have been shitty and have made dicey coaching and AD hires.  All elite programs have fallen of the cliff at times. But make no mistake we will be back. Because we're Texas. JFC we are getting elite recruiting classes despite horrible on-field results.
At Texas, we will always get great recruits. We need great coaching and leadership. 
We're certainly not aggy, who has to make up mythical championships to display on the stadium or hire a recruiter who tries to awkwardly relate to the young kids that Chris Hansen will be interviewing him on a Dateline Special coming soon. We're not 2nd tier program that depends on others in the conference to be good so we can have cred for victories.
Simply put, conference rankings don't mean shit. Texas wins all of their games, or just wins the Big 12, we will be in the final four. And that doesn't change if every Big 12 team is mediocre or how strong the sec is. Therefore, we don't have to resort to trying to sell how strong the Big 12 is or root for the other conference teams so we can scream "Big 12! Big 12!". I hate all other Big 12 teams. You know, because they are fighting us in the fucking standings.
AND...Texas is paid more than any school with the additional funds from the LHN. Suck it.



What do I care how much texas earns in football revenue every year? Congrats, they do less with more resources than anyone else. And what does aggy have to do with anything? I am not a fan of that school. I do not care about them. I am simply expressing my opinion which is shared by most people about the SEC’s dominance in college football, and how the big 12 has lost a lot of its luster.

And yes absolutely perception does matter because we have to live with the fact that humans determine the rankings. We also have a perception issue with recruits, and it showing on the recruiting trail, which is showing on the field, which is also showing results in the NFL draft. And the big 12 trophy case isn’t looking at stacked as it used to. It’s a big ole cycle and we have found ourselves on the outside of it, when we used to drive that bus.
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Um...TCU and Ok St both spent significant time in the top 10 the last few years. KSU, WVU have had their moments recently too. 
Again, I just don't see the difference. It was UT and OU last decade, with a solid supporting cast. 
 


Yes they have been mainstays as good teams recently, but you referenced seasons before 2009, and OSU was not consistent before that. If they can stay consistently good in Texas can pull their weight then yeah the big 12 will have a great reputation again. I am just saying he will definitely take more than a resurgence of Texas to bring the big 12 back to the front
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45 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

I mean, how's that different than 2000-2009, when B12 teams played in 7 of 10 national title games and the conference was considered to be as good as any? I guess Nebraska helped carry things in 2001, but that's really about the only difference, and they haven't been worth a shit since then, really.

and they prolly shouldn't have been there 

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2 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

I've said this before an I'll say it again, boot out Baylor, bring in Rice. Rice is a great asset for academics and they have a good baseball program.

and the UH contingent would go all Jonestown in glorious fashion.

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2 hours ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Well that is certainly possible, but if only two teams are carrying the flag, I still don’t see how they will be able to achieve the status they had 10 years ago. At this point the SEC and big 10 in my opinion are significantly better off. They are consistently good and I think the big 12 could best hope to just be considered their equals. They lost too much ground to the sec. we’d need more consistency from osu, tcu, wvu

Pretty sure that as bad as Texas was last year, they handled an SEC team in their bowl game pretty well.  The SEC is feasting off Bama's success.

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I think conferences should be judged on more than income.  Integrity of the institutions and the game for one.

 

1.  Boot Baylor

2.  Improve the standards of our refereeing and umpiring to the best in all college sports

3.  Work to re-instill the student interests in games while reducing the commercial tie-ins

4.  Give coaches more challenges per half, say 5, and do away with reviewing every other play

5.  Get rid of rules you aren't going to enforce, like holding in football, and palming the ball in basketball

6. More stringent administration and recruiting oversight and discipline thereof (what the NCAA should be doing)

 

 

 

 

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Texas would meld perfectly with the PAC schools. The Texas athlete is exactly like the Stanford and USC athlete, and the alums and students are also very similar - successful, attractive and over confident, as well as elitist. Which our rival schools deem to be arrogance and snobbery. USC is rich and arrogant as well as classically beautiful, Stanford is over educated and privileged for the most part, and just as rich and arrogant. This is both sides of UT, the party element and the plan 2 top 10% studyholic population which resembles Rice. Think Matthew McConnaughey and Wes Anderson. 

It's why we dominate Hollywood and we are just as adept at high tech. Mike Judge is able to aptly mirror Silicon Valley because Office Space already personified the tech experience, as a stripped down bureaucratic version, sans absurd wealth and perks. However, the main Office Space characters inevitably took the same creative risks. 

And this is why UT faces the west coast, while AtM does not. Austin. Fandango. Bottle Rocket.

Austin Stories was hipster LA before LA was. The Central Austin music bar scene has been Portlandia since Slacker.

The point is, we swim and dive, we golf, we play tennis, and we play a hella good game of Olympic volleyball. We win Oscars. We read. We microbrew. We make a shit ton of money. We have too many resources. We're ironic. We have a famous marching band. And we underachieve at sports.

Nobody else in the Big 12 fits this bill. So that is why a merger doesn't happen. They don't want Baylor, Kansas sucks at football, OU will almost assuredly entertain SEC offers, Oklahoma State is the same thing as Oregon State, Tech is too stupid, Iowa State is less desirable than Colorado State, W Virginia is ridiculous and TCU = Kansas State.

I'd take just Texas and OU. Or Texas and Kansas. Or Texas and OK State. If 4, and one or all of those 3 schools say no, I'd take Kansas St, TCU and Boise State.

Honestly, they'd just want Texas. It's a fit. And all of that money the Big 12 is making is because of The University of Texas. They are the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders of the NFL. The NFL doesn't need those teams to win, but they need them to be relevant. 

If and when UT plays in the final 4, Fox's ratings will double. Not even USC can produce that. Not even Notre Dame. OU is basically Oregon. Nobody really wants to see them.

A USC, Texas, Michigan and Florida school final 4 is the ideal. 

That's all the TVs. Michigan is going global because they see what I see. It's improving their sports broadly. Miami is making their move to be THE Florida school. Jimbo Fischer saw their ambition and bailed. The SEC still revels in Bama. However, beating Bama is what the general public wants. Auburn can almost do it, Florida can't do it anymore, Georgia could be the next Clemson and switch off with them, but frankly, the teams which could beat them would be Tennessee and LSU. All LSU needs is an Austin area QB or a RG3, and a spread offense. All Tennessee needs is to wake up. AtM can also do it, but they are like OU. No defense.

Texas can build a defense. USC can build an offense as fast and powerful as any defense and find enough play makers on defense to beat you in the clutch, Michigan can be what Ohio State cannot, which is well liked, however Ohio State can cheat, and therefore they can be the same thing as Alabama, whereas Michigan has to be slightly more finesse, more professional, more ethical. Harbough is battling to harden Michigan. But of all the teams Bama would fear, there are really only two programs they do. Texas and Penn State. 

Texas has a Vince Young or an Earl Campbell in its high school system at all times. Imagine Adrian Peterson and Vince Young on the same team, with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy as backups. With Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles as backups. With RG3, Johnny Manzeil and Andrew Luck committed in up coming classes. With Nick Foles as a walk on. The state can give you an instant pro franchise. 3 deep in Heisman candidates and all americans at every position. Ladanlian Tomlinson was an after thought. Drew Brees was a nobody. Only Penn State seemed to beat these kinds of teams. Why? East coast steel worker brawn.

So what i am saying is this. 

Texas would win every year if it operated like an SEC team. It would be unfair. Alabama is an SEC Team with brawn. Manzeil and Missouri taught them they needed speed. Clemson and Auburn beat them with Vince Young play-alikes. The spread wins. 

If you can run the spread with 5 star athletes and you have a defense like the one Florida used to beat OU, like the one Texas is building, like the one Alabama and LSU has, you are at a maximum.

The University of Texas 83 defense with the 2005 offense would beat Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams.

The big 12 has hamstrung Texas in games, really they've  exploited them as a given, because promoting TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was more important. It created a deeper conference and this was necessary, for SOS would undermine the champion and weekly games wouldnt have relevance. The conference would be doomed if Texas dominated it. This has benefitted OU. They get a weakened Texas and nothing else to truly fear.

The thinking is really this. Have somebody run the table against multiple top 10 teams or lose only once and rebound because the PAC (with a down USC) is so weak and off the publicity radar, final four likelihood is in your favor. However they've learned that TCU, Baylor and OK St aren't preferable to a Washington or a second SEC team, so they will be skipped. OU won't be skipped, however, they won't win a NC nor reach the final, because they're competing with soft spread teams in a scoring fest, which means their defense isn't a priority. They've built a bend but not break defense which breaks at championship levels.

Texas is building a defense which cuts teams in half, especially their scoring output. And an offense which apparently desires to bully teams, rather than race with them. It reminds me of Penn State. It actually works. The USC, OU, Kstate and Missouri games show it does. They lost close games to the better teams, but athlete for athlete, they may have been better, they were certianly more physical and more intimidating. Will they go spread? When they have the ideal QB (and game breaking RB), yes. They already have the WRs. 

Texas is on the verge. It's not wait till next year, it's wait till Texas decides it wants it badly enough to simply take it. Vince Young thought this way. Do it now. Major Applewhite thinks this way. I'm certain Tom Herman thinks that way. There is oil underfoot, so strike it. If the Big 12 holds them back, Texas should leave it behind. This conference from here on out should be all about Texas. Do you want to dethrone the SEC? You'll need Texas then. Don't manipulate for them, just get out of Texas' way. They've lost enough for you. And been abused by refs for the T Boone Pickens' of the world. So That Dallas will stick with the conference, in the form of TCU, Baylor and OU. Aggy and LSU stole Houston they figured. The conference hasn't thrived with this ethos but it has survived, more solidly than expected. 

Houston is your jackpot though. And Texas is stealing Houston back for the Big 12. Thank them. The NFL is leaving money on the table to ensure a safe profit by ignoring classic teams and big markets to uplift lessers. It's why LA was a dormant market, it's why the Raiders were dangled there to upgrade two weaker franchises. The Riaders were used, but Las Vegas saw the money the NFL abandoned on the table. And took it. Texas is made of money, like LA and the Las Vegas casinos. Texas is a commodity state with a multiplier effect built in. The multiplier is power. Texas is pure unadulterated ambition, which manifests itself in exponential profit. It's why everybody hates Texas. It's why OU sure does. It's why the east coast does. Hollywood however doesn't. Hollywood is what happens when New York art combines with gold mine greed. Texas is Hollywood's favorite character as well as its target audience. Normal enough to sell to, weird enough to buy from. Texas sells itself. Literally. It sells its dirty goop. It sells its soil. It sells its soul. However it does not sell out. You do.

The 2005 Rose Bowl was the greatest college football game ever played. It equaled the hype. And why? The teams were mirror images, with not even the slightest difference, except one or two. Texas was the better story. California was the better venue.

OU isn't Texas. OU lost badly the year before to the same team Texas matched and beat. The 2008 National Championship saw OU lose again. In 2009 a lesser Texas team than its 2008 team almost beat Alabama with its backup QB. Texas beat Ohio State and Michigan in its other BCS years.

Texas at its peak was better than the all time great powers of the west and the Midwest, and it was really denied a full shot at the east. The beasts of the east vs Texas at their best. This is why the Dallas Cowboys vs The NFC East is the highest realm of NFL football. And Cowboys vs Steelers is the ideal Super Bowl.

Texas "is" the wild west. They belong vying for king of the hill. Win some lose some, but make some money, they do, always. 

What starts here, changes the world. Start Major. Start VY. Start Sam Ehlinger. The University of Texas shoulds start (winning big). They should start kicking ass and taking names of those too stupid to see the bigger picture. Everything is big in Texas, the Last Picture Show is Texas'. The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, because you have the cameras and you have the stage coach full of money. And Texas has the a better idea than you do of what to do with it. You film the STAR, on the biggest stage. That's what you do with it.

Texas is a sleeping GIANT. The boots are slumbering by the bedside, and the souls who wear them are covered in oil.

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52 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Coincidentally, 5 will be the number of hours the average college football game lasts if such a rule is passed.

And if they don't do something like this, then 5 hours will be a norm too.  You are right though, 5 a half would be too much.  That would be 20 a game.   I wonder if there is some stat that shows average number of replay reviews, and the additional time added to college games as a result.  

Do they keep score on which refs get their calls overturned most often?  Least often?

I don't care how they do it, just cut out most of the replay reviews, or streamline them.  Run commercials on top of them?   We watch refs scratch their asses for 5 minutes, then see a play, then go to commercial break for another 5 minutes.  The rage is just compounded by that asshat Fox or whoever has hired to second guess the ref calls.  

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1 hour ago, R2D2 said:

Texas would meld perfectly with the PAC schools. The Texas athlete is exactly like the Stanford and USC athlete, and the alums and students are also very similar - successful, attractive and over confident, as well as elitist. Which our rival schools deem to be arrogance and snobbery. USC is rich and arrogant as well as classically beautiful, Stanford is over educated and privileged for the most part, and just as rich and arrogant. This is both sides of UT, the party element and the plan 2 top 10% studyholic population which resembles Rice. Think Matthew McConnaughey and Wes Anderson. 

It's why we dominate Hollywood and we are just as adept at high tech. Mike Judge is able to aptly mirror Silicon Valley because Office Space already personified the tech experience, as a stripped down bureaucratic version, sans absurd wealth and perks. However, the main Office Space characters inevitably took the same creative risks. 

And this is why UT faces the west coast, while AtM does not. Austin. Fandango. Bottle Rocket.

Austin Stories was hipster LA before LA was. The Central Austin music bar scene has been Portlandia since Slacker.

The point is, we swim and dive, we golf, we play tennis, and we play a hella good game of Olympic volleyball. We win Oscars. We read. We microbrew. We make a shit ton of money. We have too many resources. We're ironic. We have a famous marching band. And we underachieve at sports.

Nobody else in the Big 12 fits this bill. So that is why a merger doesn't happen. They don't want Baylor, Kansas sucks at football, OU will almost assuredly entertain SEC offers, Oklahoma State is the same thing as Oregon State, Tech is too stupid, Iowa State is less desirable than Colorado State, W Virginia is ridiculous and TCU = Kansas State.

I'd take just Texas and OU. Or Texas and Kansas. Or Texas and OK State. If 4, and one or all of those 3 schools say no, I'd take Kansas St, TCU and Boise State.

Honestly, they'd just want Texas. It's a fit. And all of that money the Big 12 is making is because of The University of Texas. They are the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders of the NFL. The NFL doesn't need those teams to win, but they need them to be relevant. 

If and when UT plays in the final 4, Fox's ratings will double. Not even USC can produce that. Not even Notre Dame. OU is basically Oregon. Nobody really wants to see them.

A USC, Texas, Michigan and Florida school final 4 is the ideal. 

That's all the TVs. Michigan is going global because they see what I see. It's improving their sports broadly. Miami is making their move to be THE Florida school. Jimbo Fischer saw their ambition and bailed. The SEC still revels in Bama. However, beating Bama is what the general public wants. Auburn can almost do it, Florida can't do it anymore, Georgia could be the next Clemson and switch off with them, but frankly, the teams which could beat them would be Tennessee and LSU. All LSU needs is an Austin area QB or a RG3, and a spread offense. All Tennessee needs is to wake up. AtM can also do it, but they are like OU. No defense.

Texas can build a defense. USC can build an offense as fast and powerful as any defense and find enough play makers on defense to beat you in the clutch, Michigan can be what Ohio State cannot, which is well liked, however Ohio State can cheat, and therefore they can be the same thing as Alabama, whereas Michigan has to be slightly more finesse, more professional, more ethical. Harbough is battling to harden Michigan. But of all the teams Bama would fear, there are really only two programs they do. Texas and Penn State. 

Texas has a Vince Young or an Earl Campbell in its high school system at all times. Imagine Adrian Peterson and Vince Young on the same team, with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy as backups. With Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles as backups. With RG3, Johnny Manzeil and Andrew Luck committed in up coming classes. With Nick Foles as a walk on. The state can give you an instant pro franchise. 3 deep in Heisman candidates and all americans at every position. Ladanlian Tomlinson was an after thought. Drew Brees was a nobody. Only Penn State seemed to beat these kinds of teams. Why? East coast steel worker brawn.

So what i am saying is this. 

Texas would win every year if it operated like an SEC team. It would be unfair. Alabama is an SEC Team with brawn. Manzeil and Missouri taught them they needed speed. Clemson and Auburn beat them with Vince Young play-alikes. The spread wins. 

If you can run the spread with 5 star athletes and you have a defense like the one Florida used to beat OU, like the one Texas is building, like the one Alabama and LSU has, you are at a maximum.

The University of Texas 83 defense with the 2005 offense would beat Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams.

The big 12 has hamstrung Texas in games, really they've  exploited them as a given, because promoting TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was more important. It created a deeper conference and this was necessary, for SOS would undermine the champion and weekly games wouldnt have relevance. The conference would be doomed if Texas dominated it. This has benefitted OU. They get a weakened Texas and nothing else to truly fear.

The thinking is really this. Have somebody run the table against multiple top 10 teams or lose only once and rebound because the PAC (with a down USC) is so weak and off the publicity radar, final four likelihood is in your favor. However they've learned that TCU, Baylor and OK St aren't preferable to a Washington or a second SEC team, so they will be skipped. OU won't be skipped, however, they won't win a NC nor reach the final, because they're competing with soft spread teams in a scoring fest, which means their defense isn't a priority. They've built a bend but not break defense which breaks at championship levels.

Texas is building a defense which cuts teams in half, especially their scoring output. And an offense which apparently desires to bully teams, rather than race with them. It reminds me of Penn State. It actually works. The USC, OU, Kstate and Missouri games show it does. They lost close games to the better teams, but athlete for athlete, they may have been better, they were certianly more physical and more intimidating. Will they go spread? When they have the ideal QB (and game breaking RB), yes. They already have the WRs. 

Texas is on the verge. It's not wait till next year, it's wait till Texas decides it wants it badly enough to simply take it. Vince Young thought this way. Do it now. Major Applewhite thinks this way. I'm certain Tom Herman thinks that way. There is oil underfoot, so strike it. If the Big 12 holds them back, Texas should leave it behind. This conference from here on out should be all about Texas. Do you want to dethrone the SEC? You'll need Texas then. Don't manipulate for them, just get out of Texas' way. They've lost enough for you. And been abused by refs for the T Boone Pickens' of the world. So That Dallas will stick with the conference, in the form of TCU, Baylor and OU. Aggy and LSU stole Houston they figured. The conference hasn't thrived with this ethos but it has survived, more solidly than expected. 

Houston is your jackpot though. And Texas is stealing Houston back for the Big 12. Thank them. The NFL is leaving money on the table to ensure a safe profit by ignoring classic teams and big markets to uplift lessers. It's why LA was a dormant market, it's why the Raiders were dangled there to upgrade two weaker franchises. The Riaders were used, but Las Vegas saw the money the NFL abandoned on the table. And took it. Texas is made of money, like LA and the Las Vegas casinos. Texas is a commodity state with a multiplier effect built in. The multiplier is power. Texas is pure unadulterated ambition, which manifests itself in exponential profit. It's why everybody hates Texas. It's why OU sure does. It's why the east coast does. Hollywood however doesn't. Hollywood is what happens when New York art combines with gold mine greed. Texas is Hollywood's favorite character as well as its target audience. Normal enough to sell to, weird enough to buy from. Texas sells itself. Literally. It sells its dirty goop. It sells its soil. It sells its soul. However it does not sell out. You do.

The 2005 Rose Bowl was the greatest college football game ever played. It equaled the hype. And why? The teams were mirror images, with not even the slightest difference, except one or two. Texas was the better story. California was the better venue.

OU isn't Texas. OU lost badly the year before to the same team Texas matched and beat. The 2008 National Championship saw OU lose again. In 2009 a lesser Texas team than its 2008 team almost beat Alabama with its backup QB. Texas beat Ohio State and Michigan in its other BCS years.

Texas at its peak was better than the all time great powers of the west and the Midwest, and it was really denied a full shot at the east. The beasts of the east vs Texas at their best. This is why the Dallas Cowboys vs The NFC East is the highest realm of NFL football. And Cowboys vs Steelers is the ideal Super Bowl.

Texas "is" the wild west. They belong vying for king of the hill. Win some lose some, but make some money, they do, always. 

What starts here, changes the world. Start Major. Start VY. Start Sam Ehlinger. The University of Texas shoulds start (winning big). They should start kicking ass and taking names of those too stupid to see the bigger picture. Everything is big in Texas, the Last Picture Show is Texas'. The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, because you have the cameras and you have the stage coach full of money. And Texas has the a better idea than you do of what to do with it. You film the STAR, on the biggest stage. That's what you do with it.

Texas is a sleeping GIANT. The boots are slumbering by the bedside, and the souls who wear them are covered in oil.

You trying to match machinehead for the most verbose sob on the football forum?  Tl/dr.

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Texas would meld perfectly with the PAC schools. The Texas athlete is exactly like the Stanford and USC athlete, and the alums and students are also very similar - successful, attractive and over confident, as well as elitist. Which our rival schools deem to be arrogance and snobbery. USC is rich and arrogant as well as classically beautiful, Stanford is over educated and privileged for the most part, and just as rich and arrogant. This is both sides of UT, the party element and the plan 2 top 10% studyholic population which resembles Rice. Think Matthew McConnaughey and Wes Anderson. 

It's why we dominate Hollywood and we are just as adept at high tech. Mike Judge is able to aptly mirror Silicon Valley because Office Space already personified the tech experience, as a stripped down bureaucratic version, sans absurd wealth and perks. However, the main Office Space characters inevitably took the same creative risks. 

And this is why UT faces the west coast, while AtM does not. Austin. Fandango. Bottle Rocket.

Austin Stories was hipster LA before LA was. The Central Austin music bar scene has been Portlandia since Slacker.

The point is, we swim and dive, we golf, we play tennis, and we play a hella good game of Olympic volleyball. We win Oscars. We read. We microbrew. We make a shit ton of money. We have too many resources. We're ironic. We have a famous marching band. And we underachieve at sports.

Nobody else in the Big 12 fits this bill. So that is why a merger doesn't happen. They don't want Baylor, Kansas sucks at football, OU will almost assuredly entertain SEC offers, Oklahoma State is the same thing as Oregon State, Tech is too stupid, Iowa State is less desirable than Colorado State, W Virginia is ridiculous and TCU = Kansas State.

I'd take just Texas and OU. Or Texas and Kansas. Or Texas and OK State. If 4, and one or all of those 3 schools say no, I'd take Kansas St, TCU and Boise State.

Honestly, they'd just want Texas. It's a fit. And all of that money the Big 12 is making is because of The University of Texas. They are the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders of the NFL. The NFL doesn't need those teams to win, but they need them to be relevant. 

If and when UT plays in the final 4, Fox's ratings will double. Not even USC can produce that. Not even Notre Dame. OU is basically Oregon. Nobody really wants to see them.

A USC, Texas, Michigan and Florida school final 4 is the ideal. 

That's all the TVs. Michigan is going global because they see what I see. It's improving their sports broadly. Miami is making their move to be THE Florida school. Jimbo Fischer saw their ambition and bailed. The SEC still revels in Bama. However, beating Bama is what the general public wants. Auburn can almost do it, Florida can't do it anymore, Georgia could be the next Clemson and switch off with them, but frankly, the teams which could beat them would be Tennessee and LSU. All LSU needs is an Austin area QB or a RG3, and a spread offense. All Tennessee needs is to wake up. AtM can also do it, but they are like OU. No defense.

Texas can build a defense. USC can build an offense as fast and powerful as any defense and find enough play makers on defense to beat you in the clutch, Michigan can be what Ohio State cannot, which is well liked, however Ohio State can cheat, and therefore they can be the same thing as Alabama, whereas Michigan has to be slightly more finesse, more professional, more ethical. Harbough is battling to harden Michigan. But of all the teams Bama would fear, there are really only two programs they do. Texas and Penn State. 

Texas has a Vince Young or an Earl Campbell in its high school system at all times. Imagine Adrian Peterson and Vince Young on the same team, with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy as backups. With Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles as backups. With RG3, Johnny Manzeil and Andrew Luck committed in up coming classes. With Nick Foles as a walk on. The state can give you an instant pro franchise. 3 deep in Heisman candidates and all americans at every position. Ladanlian Tomlinson was an after thought. Drew Brees was a nobody. Only Penn State seemed to beat these kinds of teams. Why? East coast steel worker brawn.

So what i am saying is this. 

Texas would win every year if it operated like an SEC team. It would be unfair. Alabama is an SEC Team with brawn. Manzeil and Missouri taught them they needed speed. Clemson and Auburn beat them with Vince Young play-alikes. The spread wins. 

If you can run the spread with 5 star athletes and you have a defense like the one Florida used to beat OU, like the one Texas is building, like the one Alabama and LSU has, you are at a maximum.

The University of Texas 83 defense with the 2005 offense would beat Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams.

The big 12 has hamstrung Texas in games, really they've  exploited them as a given, because promoting TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was more important. It created a deeper conference and this was necessary, for SOS would undermine the champion and weekly games wouldnt have relevance. The conference would be doomed if Texas dominated it. This has benefitted OU. They get a weakened Texas and nothing else to truly fear.

The thinking is really this. Have somebody run the table against multiple top 10 teams or lose only once and rebound because the PAC (with a down USC) is so weak and off the publicity radar, final four likelihood is in your favor. However they've learned that TCU, Baylor and OK St aren't preferable to a Washington or a second SEC team, so they will be skipped. OU won't be skipped, however, they won't win a NC nor reach the final, because they're competing with soft spread teams in a scoring fest, which means their defense isn't a priority. They've built a bend but not break defense which breaks at championship levels.

Texas is building a defense which cuts teams in half, especially their scoring output. And an offense which apparently desires to bully teams, rather than race with them. It reminds me of Penn State. It actually works. The USC, OU, Kstate and Missouri games show it does. They lost close games to the better teams, but athlete for athlete, they may have been better, they were certianly more physical and more intimidating. Will they go spread? When they have the ideal QB (and game breaking RB), yes. They already have the WRs. 

Texas is on the verge. It's not wait till next year, it's wait till Texas decides it wants it badly enough to simply take it. Vince Young thought this way. Do it now. Major Applewhite thinks this way. I'm certain Tom Herman thinks that way. There is oil underfoot, so strike it. If the Big 12 holds them back, Texas should leave it behind. This conference from here on out should be all about Texas. Do you want to dethrone the SEC? You'll need Texas then. Don't manipulate for them, just get out of Texas' way. They've lost enough for you. And been abused by refs for the T Boone Pickens' of the world. So That Dallas will stick with the conference, in the form of TCU, Baylor and OU. Aggy and LSU stole Houston they figured. The conference hasn't thrived with this ethos but it has survived, more solidly than expected. 

Houston is your jackpot though. And Texas is stealing Houston back for the Big 12. Thank them. The NFL is leaving money on the table to ensure a safe profit by ignoring classic teams and big markets to uplift lessers. It's why LA was a dormant market, it's why the Raiders were dangled there to upgrade two weaker franchises. The Riaders were used, but Las Vegas saw the money the NFL abandoned on the table. And took it. Texas is made of money, like LA and the Las Vegas casinos. Texas is a commodity state with a multiplier effect built in. The multiplier is power. Texas is pure unadulterated ambition, which manifests itself in exponential profit. It's why everybody hates Texas. It's why OU sure does. It's why the east coast does. Hollywood however doesn't. Hollywood is what happens when New York art combines with gold mine greed. Texas is Hollywood's favorite character as well as its target audience. Normal enough to sell to, weird enough to buy from. Texas sells itself. Literally. It sells its dirty goop. It sells its soil. It sells its soul. However it does not sell out. You do.

The 2005 Rose Bowl was the greatest college football game ever played. It equaled the hype. And why? The teams were mirror images, with not even the slightest difference, except one or two. Texas was the better story. California was the better venue.

OU isn't Texas. OU lost badly the year before to the same team Texas matched and beat. The 2008 National Championship saw OU lose again. In 2009 a lesser Texas team than its 2008 team almost beat Alabama with its backup QB. Texas beat Ohio State and Michigan in its other BCS years.

Texas at its peak was better than the all time great powers of the west and the Midwest, and it was really denied a full shot at the east. The beasts of the east vs Texas at their best. This is why the Dallas Cowboys vs The NFC East is the highest realm of NFL football. And Cowboys vs Steelers is the ideal Super Bowl.

Texas "is" the wild west. They belong vying for king of the hill. Win some lose some, but make some money, they do, always. 

What starts here, changes the world. Start Major. Start VY. Start Sam Ehlinger. The University of Texas shoulds start (winning big). They should start kicking ass and taking names of those too stupid to see the bigger picture. Everything is big in Texas, the Last Picture Show is Texas'. The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, because you have the cameras and you have the stage coach full of money. And Texas has the a better idea than you do of what to do with it. You film the STAR, on the biggest stage. That's what you do with it.

Texas is a sleeping GIANT. The boots are slumbering by the bedside, and the souls who wear them are covered in oil.

Prince once asked who the hell StevieRayVaughan was and SRV said: "I'm the Queen Bee, Mother Fucker". 

 

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1 hour ago, jettrink said:

You trying to match machinehead for the most verbose sob on the football forum?  Tl/dr.

The Big 12 is too rich to kill is the thesis of this thread.

My thesis is "how we gonna stop". (Fandango)

 

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Texas would meld perfectly with the PAC schools. The Texas athlete is exactly like the Stanford and USC athlete, and the alums and students are also very similar - successful, attractive and over confident, as well as elitist. Which our rival schools deem to be arrogance and snobbery. USC is rich and arrogant as well as classically beautiful, Stanford is over educated and privileged for the most part, and just as rich and arrogant. This is both sides of UT, the party element and the plan 2 top 10% studyholic population which resembles Rice. Think Matthew McConnaughey and Wes Anderson. 

It's why we dominate Hollywood and we are just as adept at high tech. Mike Judge is able to aptly mirror Silicon Valley because Office Space already personified the tech experience, as a stripped down bureaucratic version, sans absurd wealth and perks. However, the main Office Space characters inevitably took the same creative risks. 

And this is why UT faces the west coast, while AtM does not. Austin. Fandango. Bottle Rocket.

Austin Stories was hipster LA before LA was. The Central Austin music bar scene has been Portlandia since Slacker.

The point is, we swim and dive, we golf, we play tennis, and we play a hella good game of Olympic volleyball. We win Oscars. We read. We microbrew. We make a shit ton of money. We have too many resources. We're ironic. We have a famous marching band. And we underachieve at sports.

Nobody else in the Big 12 fits this bill. So that is why a merger doesn't happen. They don't want Baylor, Kansas sucks at football, OU will almost assuredly entertain SEC offers, Oklahoma State is the same thing as Oregon State, Tech is too stupid, Iowa State is less desirable than Colorado State, W Virginia is ridiculous and TCU = Kansas State.

I'd take just Texas and OU. Or Texas and Kansas. Or Texas and OK State. If 4, and one or all of those 3 schools say no, I'd take Kansas St, TCU and Boise State.

Honestly, they'd just want Texas. It's a fit. And all of that money the Big 12 is making is because of The University of Texas. They are the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders of the NFL. The NFL doesn't need those teams to win, but they need them to be relevant. 

If and when UT plays in the final 4, Fox's ratings will double. Not even USC can produce that. Not even Notre Dame. OU is basically Oregon. Nobody really wants to see them.

A USC, Texas, Michigan and Florida school final 4 is the ideal. 

That's all the TVs. Michigan is going global because they see what I see. It's improving their sports broadly. Miami is making their move to be THE Florida school. Jimbo Fischer saw their ambition and bailed. The SEC still revels in Bama. However, beating Bama is what the general public wants. Auburn can almost do it, Florida can't do it anymore, Georgia could be the next Clemson and switch off with them, but frankly, the teams which could beat them would be Tennessee and LSU. All LSU needs is an Austin area QB or a RG3, and a spread offense. All Tennessee needs is to wake up. AtM can also do it, but they are like OU. No defense.

Texas can build a defense. USC can build an offense as fast and powerful as any defense and find enough play makers on defense to beat you in the clutch, Michigan can be what Ohio State cannot, which is well liked, however Ohio State can cheat, and therefore they can be the same thing as Alabama, whereas Michigan has to be slightly more finesse, more professional, more ethical. Harbough is battling to harden Michigan. But of all the teams Bama would fear, there are really only two programs they do. Texas and Penn State. 

Texas has a Vince Young or an Earl Campbell in its high school system at all times. Imagine Adrian Peterson and Vince Young on the same team, with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy as backups. With Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles as backups. With RG3, Johnny Manzeil and Andrew Luck committed in up coming classes. With Nick Foles as a walk on. The state can give you an instant pro franchise. 3 deep in Heisman candidates and all americans at every position. Ladanlian Tomlinson was an after thought. Drew Brees was a nobody. Only Penn State seemed to beat these kinds of teams. Why? East coast steel worker brawn.

So what i am saying is this. 

Texas would win every year if it operated like an SEC team. It would be unfair. Alabama is an SEC Team with brawn. Manzeil and Missouri taught them they needed speed. Clemson and Auburn beat them with Vince Young play-alikes. The spread wins. 

If you can run the spread with 5 star athletes and you have a defense like the one Florida used to beat OU, like the one Texas is building, like the one Alabama and LSU has, you are at a maximum.

The University of Texas 83 defense with the 2005 offense would beat Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams.

The big 12 has hamstrung Texas in games, really they've  exploited them as a given, because promoting TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was more important. It created a deeper conference and this was necessary, for SOS would undermine the champion and weekly games wouldnt have relevance. The conference would be doomed if Texas dominated it. This has benefitted OU. They get a weakened Texas and nothing else to truly fear.

The thinking is really this. Have somebody run the table against multiple top 10 teams or lose only once and rebound because the PAC (with a down USC) is so weak and off the publicity radar, final four likelihood is in your favor. However they've learned that TCU, Baylor and OK St aren't preferable to a Washington or a second SEC team, so they will be skipped. OU won't be skipped, however, they won't win a NC nor reach the final, because they're competing with soft spread teams in a scoring fest, which means their defense isn't a priority. They've built a bend but not break defense which breaks at championship levels.

Texas is building a defense which cuts teams in half, especially their scoring output. And an offense which apparently desires to bully teams, rather than race with them. It reminds me of Penn State. It actually works. The USC, OU, Kstate and Missouri games show it does. They lost close games to the better teams, but athlete for athlete, they may have been better, they were certianly more physical and more intimidating. Will they go spread? When they have the ideal QB (and game breaking RB), yes. They already have the WRs. 

Texas is on the verge. It's not wait till next year, it's wait till Texas decides it wants it badly enough to simply take it. Vince Young thought this way. Do it now. Major Applewhite thinks this way. I'm certain Tom Herman thinks that way. There is oil underfoot, so strike it. If the Big 12 holds them back, Texas should leave it behind. This conference from here on out should be all about Texas. Do you want to dethrone the SEC? You'll need Texas then. Don't manipulate for them, just get out of Texas' way. They've lost enough for you. And been abused by refs for the T Boone Pickens' of the world. So That Dallas will stick with the conference, in the form of TCU, Baylor and OU. Aggy and LSU stole Houston they figured. The conference hasn't thrived with this ethos but it has survived, more solidly than expected. 

Houston is your jackpot though. And Texas is stealing Houston back for the Big 12. Thank them. The NFL is leaving money on the table to ensure a safe profit by ignoring classic teams and big markets to uplift lessers. It's why LA was a dormant market, it's why the Raiders were dangled there to upgrade two weaker franchises. The Riaders were used, but Las Vegas saw the money the NFL abandoned on the table. And took it. Texas is made of money, like LA and the Las Vegas casinos. Texas is a commodity state with a multiplier effect built in. The multiplier is power. Texas is pure unadulterated ambition, which manifests itself in exponential profit. It's why everybody hates Texas. It's why OU sure does. It's why the east coast does. Hollywood however doesn't. Hollywood is what happens when New York art combines with gold mine greed. Texas is Hollywood's favorite character as well as its target audience. Normal enough to sell to, weird enough to buy from. Texas sells itself. Literally. It sells its dirty goop. It sells its soil. It sells its soul. However it does not sell out. You do.

The 2005 Rose Bowl was the greatest college football game ever played. It equaled the hype. And why? The teams were mirror images, with not even the slightest difference, except one or two. Texas was the better story. California was the better venue.

OU isn't Texas. OU lost badly the year before to the same team Texas matched and beat. The 2008 National Championship saw OU lose again. In 2009 a lesser Texas team than its 2008 team almost beat Alabama with its backup QB. Texas beat Ohio State and Michigan in its other BCS years.

Texas at its peak was better than the all time great powers of the west and the Midwest, and it was really denied a full shot at the east. The beasts of the east vs Texas at their best. This is why the Dallas Cowboys vs The NFC East is the highest realm of NFL football. And Cowboys vs Steelers is the ideal Super Bowl.

Texas "is" the wild west. They belong vying for king of the hill. Win some lose some, but make some money, they do, always. 

What starts here, changes the world. Start Major. Start VY. Start Sam Ehlinger. The University of Texas shoulds start (winning big). They should start kicking ass and taking names of those too stupid to see the bigger picture. Everything is big in Texas, the Last Picture Show is Texas'. The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, because you have the cameras and you have the stage coach full of money. And Texas has the a better idea than you do of what to do with it. You film the STAR, on the biggest stage. That's what you do with it.

Texas is a sleeping GIANT. The boots are slumbering by the bedside, and the souls who wear them are covered in oil.

Boop boop beep boop...weeeeeeeee

 

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