Big12 is NOT dead

[Tex Long 4,383]

The Norwegian Blue conference is often so calm that it appears moribund.

[kopp0e 1,135]

The XII is a heavyweight as long as both Texas & Oklahoma choose to be affiliated with the league...

 

['stache 21,797]

The XII is a heavyweight as long as both Texas & Oklahoma choose to be affiliated with the league...
 

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

Pretty sure that as bad as Texas was last year, they handled an SEC team in their bowl game pretty well.  The SEC is feasting off Bama's success.

Missouri is soft. And yeah their whole conference is just a bunch of stragglers and Alabama

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

21 hours ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

You think I’m an Aggie? Lol

aggy, aggy.

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

20 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

I mean, how's that different than 2000-2009, when B12 teams played in 7 of 10 national title games and the conference was considered to be as good as any? I guess Nebraska helped carry things in 2001, but that's really about the only difference, and they haven't been worth a shit since then, really.

but, but, but, aggy and corn were in the conference then!  even though they sucked catastrophically, in their minds the conference was more relevant because they were sucking here rather than continuing to suck in their new homes.

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

20 hours ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

I am simply expressing my opinion which is shared by most people about the SEC’s dominance in college football

The non-aggy from other SEC schools on our board is known.  None of them are stupid enough to try to sell this.  Only aggy and SEC homers attempt to retail this, and the give away is the post-hoc ergo-propter-hoc attempt using the qualifier "most people"..   Self-confirmation-bias in the form of auto-fellatio should remain quarantined in bathroom stalls with gloryholes.

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

but, but, but, aggy and corn were in the conference then!  even though they sucked catastrophically, in their minds the conference was more relevant because they were sucking here rather than continuing to suck in their new homes.

Umm I went to OU. And it’s true that we (the big 12) had been much more relevant ten years ago compared to now. How is the even in doubt? The recruits know it! Just look at recruiting rankings. Sec has 9 teams in the top 25 of class rankings. We have 3. The nfl knows it. 53 draft picks and we only had 20, the worst of all P5 conferences. The next worse was 30. Even the all American conference has 18. We have to do much better if we want to be a viable influential conference because the recruits that are the lifeblood of a program are all looking at sec. he’ll just nabbing a commit from a kid with a Bama offer is a victory anymore. Even those losers in college station have the best class in Texas

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

The non-aggy from other SEC schools on our board is known.  None of them are stupid enough to try to sell this.  Only aggy and SEC homers attempt to retail this, and the give away is the post-hoc ergo-propter-hoc attempt using the qualifier "most people"..   Self-confirmation-bias in the form of auto-fellatio should remain quarantined in bathroom stalls with gloryholes.

I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about here, it’s really too early in the day to be tripping on acid man. And yes The qualifier most people is indeed very relevant here, and the results speak for themselves. Don’t have to be an SEC homer to realize the truth

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

18 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Texas would meld perfectly with the PAC schools. The Texas athlete is exactly like the Stanford and USC athlete, and the alums and students are also very similar - successful, attractive and over confident, as well as elitist. Which our rival schools deem to be arrogance and snobbery. USC is rich and arrogant as well as classically beautiful, Stanford is over educated and privileged for the most part, and just as rich and arrogant. This is both sides of UT, the party element and the plan 2 top 10% studyholic population which resembles Rice. Think Matthew McConnaughey and Wes Anderson. 

It's why we dominate Hollywood and we are just as adept at high tech. Mike Judge is able to aptly mirror Silicon Valley because Office Space already personified the tech experience, as a stripped down bureaucratic version, sans absurd wealth and perks. However, the main Office Space characters inevitably took the same creative risks. 

And this is why UT faces the west coast, while AtM does not. Austin. Fandango. Bottle Rocket.

Austin Stories was hipster LA before LA was. The Central Austin music bar scene has been Portlandia since Slacker.

The point is, we swim and dive, we golf, we play tennis, and we play a hella good game of Olympic volleyball. We win Oscars. We read. We microbrew. We make a shit ton of money. We have too many resources. We're ironic. We have a famous marching band. And we underachieve at sports.

Nobody else in the Big 12 fits this bill. So that is why a merger doesn't happen. They don't want Baylor, Kansas sucks at football, OU will almost assuredly entertain SEC offers, Oklahoma State is the same thing as Oregon State, Tech is too stupid, Iowa State is less desirable than Colorado State, W Virginia is ridiculous and TCU = Kansas State.

I'd take just Texas and OU. Or Texas and Kansas. Or Texas and OK State. If 4, and one or all of those 3 schools say no, I'd take Kansas St, TCU and Boise State.

Honestly, they'd just want Texas. It's a fit. And all of that money the Big 12 is making is because of The University of Texas. They are the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders of the NFL. The NFL doesn't need those teams to win, but they need them to be relevant. 

If and when UT plays in the final 4, Fox's ratings will double. Not even USC can produce that. Not even Notre Dame. OU is basically Oregon. Nobody really wants to see them.

A USC, Texas, Michigan and Florida school final 4 is the ideal. 

That's all the TVs. Michigan is going global because they see what I see. It's improving their sports broadly. Miami is making their move to be THE Florida school. Jimbo Fischer saw their ambition and bailed. The SEC still revels in Bama. However, beating Bama is what the general public wants. Auburn can almost do it, Florida can't do it anymore, Georgia could be the next Clemson and switch off with them, but frankly, the teams which could beat them would be Tennessee and LSU. All LSU needs is an Austin area QB or a RG3, and a spread offense. All Tennessee needs is to wake up. AtM can also do it, but they are like OU. No defense.

Texas can build a defense. USC can build an offense as fast and powerful as any defense and find enough play makers on defense to beat you in the clutch, Michigan can be what Ohio State cannot, which is well liked, however Ohio State can cheat, and therefore they can be the same thing as Alabama, whereas Michigan has to be slightly more finesse, more professional, more ethical. Harbough is battling to harden Michigan. But of all the teams Bama would fear, there are really only two programs they do. Texas and Penn State. 

Texas has a Vince Young or an Earl Campbell in its high school system at all times. Imagine Adrian Peterson and Vince Young on the same team, with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy as backups. With Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles as backups. With RG3, Johnny Manzeil and Andrew Luck committed in up coming classes. With Nick Foles as a walk on. The state can give you an instant pro franchise. 3 deep in Heisman candidates and all americans at every position. Ladanlian Tomlinson was an after thought. Drew Brees was a nobody. Only Penn State seemed to beat these kinds of teams. Why? East coast steel worker brawn.

So what i am saying is this. 

Texas would win every year if it operated like an SEC team. It would be unfair. Alabama is an SEC Team with brawn. Manzeil and Missouri taught them they needed speed. Clemson and Auburn beat them with Vince Young play-alikes. The spread wins. 

If you can run the spread with 5 star athletes and you have a defense like the one Florida used to beat OU, like the one Texas is building, like the one Alabama and LSU has, you are at a maximum.

The University of Texas 83 defense with the 2005 offense would beat Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams.

The big 12 has hamstrung Texas in games, really they've  exploited them as a given, because promoting TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was more important. It created a deeper conference and this was necessary, for SOS would undermine the champion and weekly games wouldnt have relevance. The conference would be doomed if Texas dominated it. This has benefitted OU. They get a weakened Texas and nothing else to truly fear.

The thinking is really this. Have somebody run the table against multiple top 10 teams or lose only once and rebound because the PAC (with a down USC) is so weak and off the publicity radar, final four likelihood is in your favor. However they've learned that TCU, Baylor and OK St aren't preferable to a Washington or a second SEC team, so they will be skipped. OU won't be skipped, however, they won't win a NC nor reach the final, because they're competing with soft spread teams in a scoring fest, which means their defense isn't a priority. They've built a bend but not break defense which breaks at championship levels.

Texas is building a defense which cuts teams in half, especially their scoring output. And an offense which apparently desires to bully teams, rather than race with them. It reminds me of Penn State. It actually works. The USC, OU, Kstate and Missouri games show it does. They lost close games to the better teams, but athlete for athlete, they may have been better, they were certianly more physical and more intimidating. Will they go spread? When they have the ideal QB (and game breaking RB), yes. They already have the WRs. 

Texas is on the verge. It's not wait till next year, it's wait till Texas decides it wants it badly enough to simply take it. Vince Young thought this way. Do it now. Major Applewhite thinks this way. I'm certain Tom Herman thinks that way. There is oil underfoot, so strike it. If the Big 12 holds them back, Texas should leave it behind. This conference from here on out should be all about Texas. Do you want to dethrone the SEC? You'll need Texas then. Don't manipulate for them, just get out of Texas' way. They've lost enough for you. And been abused by refs for the T Boone Pickens' of the world. So That Dallas will stick with the conference, in the form of TCU, Baylor and OU. Aggy and LSU stole Houston they figured. The conference hasn't thrived with this ethos but it has survived, more solidly than expected. 

Houston is your jackpot though. And Texas is stealing Houston back for the Big 12. Thank them. The NFL is leaving money on the table to ensure a safe profit by ignoring classic teams and big markets to uplift lessers. It's why LA was a dormant market, it's why the Raiders were dangled there to upgrade two weaker franchises. The Riaders were used, but Las Vegas saw the money the NFL abandoned on the table. And took it. Texas is made of money, like LA and the Las Vegas casinos. Texas is a commodity state with a multiplier effect built in. The multiplier is power. Texas is pure unadulterated ambition, which manifests itself in exponential profit. It's why everybody hates Texas. It's why OU sure does. It's why the east coast does. Hollywood however doesn't. Hollywood is what happens when New York art combines with gold mine greed. Texas is Hollywood's favorite character as well as its target audience. Normal enough to sell to, weird enough to buy from. Texas sells itself. Literally. It sells its dirty goop. It sells its soil. It sells its soul. However it does not sell out. You do.

The 2005 Rose Bowl was the greatest college football game ever played. It equaled the hype. And why? The teams were mirror images, with not even the slightest difference, except one or two. Texas was the better story. California was the better venue.

OU isn't Texas. OU lost badly the year before to the same team Texas matched and beat. The 2008 National Championship saw OU lose again. In 2009 a lesser Texas team than its 2008 team almost beat Alabama with its backup QB. Texas beat Ohio State and Michigan in its other BCS years.

Texas at its peak was better than the all time great powers of the west and the Midwest, and it was really denied a full shot at the east. The beasts of the east vs Texas at their best. This is why the Dallas Cowboys vs The NFC East is the highest realm of NFL football. And Cowboys vs Steelers is the ideal Super Bowl.

Texas "is" the wild west. They belong vying for king of the hill. Win some lose some, but make some money, they do, always. 

What starts here, changes the world. Start Major. Start VY. Start Sam Ehlinger. The University of Texas shoulds start (winning big). They should start kicking ass and taking names of those too stupid to see the bigger picture. Everything is big in Texas, the Last Picture Show is Texas'. The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, because you have the cameras and you have the stage coach full of money. And Texas has the a better idea than you do of what to do with it. You film the STAR, on the biggest stage. That's what you do with it.

Texas is a sleeping GIANT. The boots are slumbering by the bedside, and the souls who wear them are covered in oil.

realignment humblebrag drunk longcat.

 

i'll allow it.

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

9 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Umm I went to OU.

 

 

great. now get the fuck out.

it's 122pm and 0u still sucks.

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

12 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

 Even those losers in college station have the best class in Texas 

Prepare for the pummeling you so richly deserve.  First, we will waterboard you.  Then, we will confuse you with facts.  Then, we we will hang you, then, we will stomp you, and THEN we will kill you.

[C-Man 27,191]

Amen. That's really my only complaint about the conference, actually. Most other things that are wrong with this conference are Texas' fault for sucking for 10 years. Stop sucking, and everything will be fine.

Well, that and the stupidity of a CCG in a league that plays a round robin.

[Bevo14 8,303]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

Well, that and the stupidity of a CCG in a league that plays a round robin.

Drop down to 8 conference games and replace it with an FCS opponent for each team towards the end of the season.

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

Prepare for the pummeling you so richly deserve.  First, we will waterboard you.  Then, we will confuse you with facts.  Then, we we will hang you, then, we will stomp you, and THEN we will kill you.

Damn it sucks when mom won’t let you out of the basement doesn’t it?

[Hank Chinaski 6,314]

5 hours ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

 

 

Umm I went to OU. And it’s true that we (the big 12) had been much more relevant ten years ago compared to now. How is the even in doubt? The recruits know it! Just look at recruiting rankings. Sec has 9 teams in the top 25 of class rankings. We have 3. The nfl knows it. 53 draft picks and we only had 20, the worst of all P5 conferences. The next worse was 30. Even the all American conference has 18. We have to do much better if we want to be a viable influential conference because the recruits that are the lifeblood of a program are all looking at sec. he’ll just nabbing a commit from a kid with a Bama offer is a victory anymore. Even those losers in college station have the best class in Texas

 

 

Nobody is saying the conference is stronger now than it was 10 years ago; what people are saying is that the reason it was stronger is because Texas was consistently competing for BCS games and national titles, as Oklahoma was. That's the difference - not because the conference lost aggy, nebraska, CU and mizzou and gained TCU and WVU. Becuase Texas has been a middling program since 2010. 

TCU and WVU have been better at football than the programs that left. 

Also, the other P5 conferences have 40% more teams, of course they'll have more draft picks, etc. Again, when Texas gets its shit together that too will change. Very recently Texas had more players in the NFL than any school. That can happen again. 

The B12 needs UT and OU to be at the top of their games concurrently to be regarded as a strong conference. That was true 10 years ago and it is true now. 

Edited June 2, 2018 by Hank Chinaski

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

Nobody is saying the conference is stronger now than it was 10 years ago; what people are saying is that the reason it was stronger is because Texas was consistently competing for BCS games and national titles, as Oklahoma was. That's the difference - not because the conference lost aggy, nebraska, CU and mizzou and gained TCU and WVU. Becuase Texas has been a middling program since 2010.  TCU and WVU have been better at football than the programs that left. 

Also, the other P5 conferences have 40% more teams, of course they'll have more draft picks, etc. Again, when Texas gets its shit together that too will change. Very recently Texas had more players in the NFL than any school. That can happen again. 

The B12 needs UT and OU to be at the top of their games concurrently to be regarded as a strong conference. That was true 10 years ago and it is true now. 

 

 

Well I never once at all ever suggested that the conference lost some of its luster because of any teams that have left. That never even crossed my mind for a second. Conference lost its luster because other conferences were winning championships, and putting players into the NFL At a higher rate. Not just more overall because of more teams but at a higher rate per team. And because no one else other than Oklahoma was doing anything. And because of that and other factors, other conferences have leap frogged us and we have lost a ton of ground. I’m not arguing against the Big 12 still being a strong conference when Texas becomes good again, but they’ll still be behind the other two conferences. I don’t think Texas being good would make the difference and overcome that deficit is what I mean. Not until we are both consistently top five top 10, and a couple other teams continue to pull their weight.

 

The thing about the SEC and the big 10, is that they too possess two top-flight programs at the top who will be highly competitive and they have others who will be mainstays in the top 15 top 20. Is the best maybe we can do is hope to get a equal reputation.

 

It won’t happen overnight

 

[cochamps 1,879]

On 6/1/2018 at 2:49 PM, Lloyd Christmas said:

 

So?

 

So GTFO

[Augustus 3,061]

On 6/2/2018 at 11:39 AM, Bevo14 said:

Drop down to 8 conference games and replace it with an FCS opponent for each team towards the end of the season.

I thought UT already did that with Kansas?

ba-dum-psshhhh

[kopp0e 1,135]

On 6/2/2018 at 1:33 PM, C-Man said:

 

Well, that and the stupidity of a CCG in a league that plays a round robin.

 

The XII & PAC could both use their current setup to determine a champion, and the champions meet for a "Best of the West" Championship; with the winner guaranteed entrance in the CFP Final 4, and the loser either a wildcard birth or promised a lock in the Rose or Cotton..!

 

[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

Texas would meld perfectly with the PAC schools. The Texas athlete is exactly like the Stanford and USC athlete, and the alums and students are also very similar - successful, attractive and over confident, as well as elitist. Which our rival schools deem to be arrogance and snobbery. USC is rich and arrogant as well as classically beautiful, Stanford is over educated and privileged for the most part, and just as rich and arrogant. This is both sides of UT, the party element and the plan 2 top 10% studyholic population which resembles Rice. Think Matthew McConnaughey and Wes Anderson. 
It's why we dominate Hollywood and we are just as adept at high tech. Mike Judge is able to aptly mirror Silicon Valley because Office Space already personified the tech experience, as a stripped down bureaucratic version, sans absurd wealth and perks. However, the main Office Space characters inevitably took the same creative risks. 
And this is why UT faces the west coast, while AtM does not. Austin. Fandango. Bottle Rocket.
Austin Stories was hipster LA before LA was. The Central Austin music bar scene has been Portlandia since Slacker.
The point is, we swim and dive, we golf, we play tennis, and we play a hella good game of Olympic volleyball. We win Oscars. We read. We microbrew. We make a shit ton of money. We have too many resources. We're ironic. We have a famous marching band. And we underachieve at sports.
Nobody else in the Big 12 fits this bill. So that is why a merger doesn't happen. They don't want Baylor, Kansas sucks at football, OU will almost assuredly entertain SEC offers, Oklahoma State is the same thing as Oregon State, Tech is too stupid, Iowa State is less desirable than Colorado State, W Virginia is ridiculous and TCU = Kansas State.
I'd take just Texas and OU. Or Texas and Kansas. Or Texas and OK State. If 4, and one or all of those 3 schools say no, I'd take Kansas St, TCU and Boise State.
Honestly, they'd just want Texas. It's a fit. And all of that money the Big 12 is making is because of The University of Texas. They are the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders of the NFL. The NFL doesn't need those teams to win, but they need them to be relevant. 
If and when UT plays in the final 4, Fox's ratings will double. Not even USC can produce that. Not even Notre Dame. OU is basically Oregon. Nobody really wants to see them.
A USC, Texas, Michigan and Florida school final 4 is the ideal. 
That's all the TVs. Michigan is going global because they see what I see. It's improving their sports broadly. Miami is making their move to be THE Florida school. Jimbo Fischer saw their ambition and bailed. The SEC still revels in Bama. However, beating Bama is what the general public wants. Auburn can almost do it, Florida can't do it anymore, Georgia could be the next Clemson and switch off with them, but frankly, the teams which could beat them would be Tennessee and LSU. All LSU needs is an Austin area QB or a RG3, and a spread offense. All Tennessee needs is to wake up. AtM can also do it, but they are like OU. No defense.
Texas can build a defense. USC can build an offense as fast and powerful as any defense and find enough play makers on defense to beat you in the clutch, Michigan can be what Ohio State cannot, which is well liked, however Ohio State can cheat, and therefore they can be the same thing as Alabama, whereas Michigan has to be slightly more finesse, more professional, more ethical. Harbough is battling to harden Michigan. But of all the teams Bama would fear, there are really only two programs they do. Texas and Penn State. 
Texas has a Vince Young or an Earl Campbell in its high school system at all times. Imagine Adrian Peterson and Vince Young on the same team, with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy as backups. With Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles as backups. With RG3, Johnny Manzeil and Andrew Luck committed in up coming classes. With Nick Foles as a walk on. The state can give you an instant pro franchise. 3 deep in Heisman candidates and all americans at every position. Ladanlian Tomlinson was an after thought. Drew Brees was a nobody. Only Penn State seemed to beat these kinds of teams. Why? East coast steel worker brawn.
So what i am saying is this. 
Texas would win every year if it operated like an SEC team. It would be unfair. Alabama is an SEC Team with brawn. Manzeil and Missouri taught them they needed speed. Clemson and Auburn beat them with Vince Young play-alikes. The spread wins. 
If you can run the spread with 5 star athletes and you have a defense like the one Florida used to beat OU, like the one Texas is building, like the one Alabama and LSU has, you are at a maximum.
The University of Texas 83 defense with the 2005 offense would beat Jimmy Johnson's Miami teams.
The big 12 has hamstrung Texas in games, really they've  exploited them as a given, because promoting TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was more important. It created a deeper conference and this was necessary, for SOS would undermine the champion and weekly games wouldnt have relevance. The conference would be doomed if Texas dominated it. This has benefitted OU. They get a weakened Texas and nothing else to truly fear.
The thinking is really this. Have somebody run the table against multiple top 10 teams or lose only once and rebound because the PAC (with a down USC) is so weak and off the publicity radar, final four likelihood is in your favor. However they've learned that TCU, Baylor and OK St aren't preferable to a Washington or a second SEC team, so they will be skipped. OU won't be skipped, however, they won't win a NC nor reach the final, because they're competing with soft spread teams in a scoring fest, which means their defense isn't a priority. They've built a bend but not break defense which breaks at championship levels.
Texas is building a defense which cuts teams in half, especially their scoring output. And an offense which apparently desires to bully teams, rather than race with them. It reminds me of Penn State. It actually works. The USC, OU, Kstate and Missouri games show it does. They lost close games to the better teams, but athlete for athlete, they may have been better, they were certianly more physical and more intimidating. Will they go spread? When they have the ideal QB (and game breaking RB), yes. They already have the WRs. 
Texas is on the verge. It's not wait till next year, it's wait till Texas decides it wants it badly enough to simply take it. Vince Young thought this way. Do it now. Major Applewhite thinks this way. I'm certain Tom Herman thinks that way. There is oil underfoot, so strike it. If the Big 12 holds them back, Texas should leave it behind. This conference from here on out should be all about Texas. Do you want to dethrone the SEC? You'll need Texas then. Don't manipulate for them, just get out of Texas' way. They've lost enough for you. And been abused by refs for the T Boone Pickens' of the world. So That Dallas will stick with the conference, in the form of TCU, Baylor and OU. Aggy and LSU stole Houston they figured. The conference hasn't thrived with this ethos but it has survived, more solidly than expected. 
Houston is your jackpot though. And Texas is stealing Houston back for the Big 12. Thank them. The NFL is leaving money on the table to ensure a safe profit by ignoring classic teams and big markets to uplift lessers. It's why LA was a dormant market, it's why the Raiders were dangled there to upgrade two weaker franchises. The Riaders were used, but Las Vegas saw the money the NFL abandoned on the table. And took it. Texas is made of money, like LA and the Las Vegas casinos. Texas is a commodity state with a multiplier effect built in. The multiplier is power. Texas is pure unadulterated ambition, which manifests itself in exponential profit. It's why everybody hates Texas. It's why OU sure does. It's why the east coast does. Hollywood however doesn't. Hollywood is what happens when New York art combines with gold mine greed. Texas is Hollywood's favorite character as well as its target audience. Normal enough to sell to, weird enough to buy from. Texas sells itself. Literally. It sells its dirty goop. It sells its soil. It sells its soul. However it does not sell out. You do.
The 2005 Rose Bowl was the greatest college football game ever played. It equaled the hype. And why? The teams were mirror images, with not even the slightest difference, except one or two. Texas was the better story. California was the better venue.
OU isn't Texas. OU lost badly the year before to the same team Texas matched and beat. The 2008 National Championship saw OU lose again. In 2009 a lesser Texas team than its 2008 team almost beat Alabama with its backup QB. Texas beat Ohio State and Michigan in its other BCS years.
Texas at its peak was better than the all time great powers of the west and the Midwest, and it was really denied a full shot at the east. The beasts of the east vs Texas at their best. This is why the Dallas Cowboys vs The NFC East is the highest realm of NFL football. And Cowboys vs Steelers is the ideal Super Bowl.
Texas "is" the wild west. They belong vying for king of the hill. Win some lose some, but make some money, they do, always. 
What starts here, changes the world. Start Major. Start VY. Start Sam Ehlinger. The University of Texas shoulds start (winning big). They should start kicking ass and taking names of those too stupid to see the bigger picture. Everything is big in Texas, the Last Picture Show is Texas'. The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, because you have the cameras and you have the stage coach full of money. And Texas has the a better idea than you do of what to do with it. You film the STAR, on the biggest stage. That's what you do with it.
Texas is a sleeping GIANT. The boots are slumbering by the bedside, and the souls who wear them are covered in oil.

Wall of words.

[S11 16]

On 6/1/2018 at 1:36 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So $36.5 million plus the $15 million for the LHN is $51.5 million. I would think that would put us ahead of any other conference distribution.

And LHN’s money is backloaded with a 3% increase per year after starting at 10.98 million in year one.   By the time the late 2020s rolls around LHN will be throwing off north of 18mm.

[Aqua Buddha 14,582]

Where's my Big 12 check?  Until I get one, who gives a shit what the payouts are?  The Big 12 is boring AF.  It's a bunch of high plains ag schools.

Playing the West Coast and Zona schools is far more interesting...........

[texasstrong12 4,668]

43 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Where's my Big 12 check?  Until I get one, who gives a shit what the payouts are?  

That's nice and all but revenue helps drive facility upgrades, coaching hires, and so on. You should care about the payouts if you want Texas to succeed. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by texasstrong12

[Aqua Buddha 14,582]

Just now, texasstrong12 said:

That's nice and all but revenue drives facility upgrades, coaching hires, and so on. You should care about the payouts if you want Texas to succeed. 

So we can watch a bunch of games again Iowa State and Kansas schools?

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

2 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

That's nice and all but revenue helps drive facility upgrades, coaching hires, and so on. You should care about the payouts if you want Texas to succeed. 

 

They've never not made money. Money has never been an issue.   They are making  shitloads of it  and this is the result.  Who cares about how much more money a program is bringing in if it's not helping anything other than make  an incredibly rich athletic dept who makes 100 million a year even richer?    Its like it's great n all, glad you can pay your bills. But all this money is coming indirectly from the fans and we're not getting much out of that investment. So i can't see why i should care that big whoop, 30 teams made 100 million last year. 

[texasstrong12 4,668]

9 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

So we can watch a bunch of games again Iowa State and Kansas schools?

I honestly don't care who we play. I want to win. Also, that's why you schedule attractive non-conference games. 

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

4 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

I honestly don't care who we play. I want to win. Also, that's why you schedule attractive non-conference games. 

I can appreciate that- but i think it matters to teh recruits too.  They look at sec schedules for example and they see alabama, auburn, lsu, georgia, florida on the schedule.  The same players being recruited by Ou and Tx and we got iowa state, kansas state, baylor. I can see how negging the big 12 is helping.  Sure Texas and OU has the stones to schedule big time OOC matchups but that's once a year, and the rest of the schedule looks like pop warner football.  But hey at least the AD  raked in 187 million last year. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Lloyd Christmas

[Tex Pete 20,334]

11 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

I can appreciate that- but i think it matters to teh recruits too.  They look at sec schedules for example and they see alabama, auburn, lsu, georgia, florida on the schedule. 

And Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Texas A&M.

[texasstrong12 4,668]

20 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

They look at sec schedules for example and they see alabama, auburn, lsu, georgia, florida on the schedule.  

you have to be an aggy based on this and the amount of downvotes. 

Winning takes care of everything. Conference perception means very little to recruits at schools like Texas and OU if they are winning. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by texasstrong12

[kopp0e 1,135]

55 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Where's my Big 12 check?  Until I get one, who gives a shit what the payouts are?  The Big 12 is boring AF.  It's a bunch of high plains ag schools.

Playing the West Coast and Zona schools is far more interesting...........

Agreed, on the trips west as both kings of the XII in UT & OU have the best chance to form a "best of the best" league from members of the XII & PAC; in a 16 team conference...

As both historical blue bloods are recognized brands out west by the fans of rival schools...

And the divisional setup allows for the schools to keep regional foes in conference as: (example) Texas Tech/ Oklahoma State/ Kansas, while adding USC/ UCLA/ 'Zona & ASU as divisional opponents in the PAC south..!

 

 

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

24 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

you have to be an aggy based on this and the amount of downvotes. 

Winning takes care of everything. Conference perception means very little to recruits at schools like Texas and OU if they are winning. 

 

Nope, just a football fan who isn't a blind homer and who wants the Big 12 to be better.   i can recognize a thing for what it is without my  fanhood getting in the way. 

Conference perception means a hell of a lot to them. Not always for Ou and Texas but the sec has been getting kids that should be on one of our rosters. And if the other 8 teams dont get better, that will make it harder to convince elite nfl bound athletes to come to either of our programs.     After OU and Texas, the next best class in 2018 was TCU at 25.  Sec teams ahead of them: S. carolina, tennessee, aggy, lsu, florida, auburn, georgia and alabama. The f8cking sec has  8 of the top 20 classes in the country. And 4 of them arent good and definitely below TCU for the past few years. The aggy program is a shiny turd of dog shit and they currently have the #2 class in '19.  And guess what? The f8cking sec has 9 of the top 20 in 2019 too! And we have 3, again.   We are battling a perception problem and they are showing these recruits the nfl draft results too.  Winning will help no doubt about it, but we have to change this perception because all the best talent in the country had been overlooking the big 12 for a while.  

Edited June 4, 2018 by Lloyd Christmas

[Machinator 32,099]

24 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

you have to be an aggy based on this and the amount of downvotes

Not that it really matters, but Lloyd is an OU fan.

[Scholz 11,938]

Whatever the complaints are, the current arrangement won't change until '25 until the granting of media rights agreement expires so the argument is moot.

I will say this about our current setup however.  My complaint is that the Big XII had the easiest path to the playoffs previously with the round robin format and no extra title game hurdle.  Of course the braintrust of Bowlsby and Boren let that one differentiating advantage go by the wayside for another cash grab.  Way to guarantee a boring rematch every year that has the potential to keep the Big XII out of the playoffs, complete dipshits.  That's what a round robin is, idiots.  Everyone's already played everyone.

 

 

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

38 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

alabama, auburn, lsu, georgia, florida on the schedule

strawman.

when was the last season any of the other sec teams played all five of those schools in one season?

in the case of aggy, in 6 seasons in the sec, they have yet to play georgia and have a win and a loss against gatah.

in the case of any east team, when was the last season each east team played more than 1 of bama/barn/tigger.

[Hagbard Celine 10,851]

12 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Not that it really matters, but Lloyd is an OU fan.

he claims.  i don't believe him yet.   he needs to provide proof to a 3rd party like constant.  i don't like constant, but i respect him and would trust a vouch from him.

[Machinator 32,099]

2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

he claims.  i don't believe him yet.   he needs to provide proof to a 3rd party like constant.  i don't like constant, but i respect him and would trust a vouch from him.

http://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/topic/316-tell-me-about-ou/&page=5

He's a gooner.

[SnowAggy 154]

18 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Not that it really matters, but Lloyd is an OU fan.

With severe vaginitis. 

Cries about having to play ISU...after OU loses to ISU.  Ironically, Pop Warner coached the Cyclones for awhile.

[Bevo14 8,303]

22 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

 

Nope, just a football fan who isn't a blind homer and who wants the Big 12 to be better.   i can recognize a thing for what it is without my  fanhood getting in the way. 

Conference perception means a hell of a lot to them. Not always for Ou and Texas but the sec has been getting kids that should be on one of our rosters. And if the other 8 teams dont get better, that will make it harder to convince elite nfl bound athletes to come to either of our programs.     After OU and Texas, the next best class in 2018 was TCU at 25.  Sec teams ahead of them: S. carolina, tennessee, aggy, lsu, florida, auburn, georgia and alabama. The f8cking sec has  8 of the top 20 classes in the country. And 4 of them arent good and definitely below TCU for the past few years. The aggy program is a shiny turd of dog shit and they currently have the #2 class in '19.  And guess what? The f8cking sec has 9 of the top 20 in 2019 too! And we have 3, again.   We are battling a perception problem and they are showing these recruits the nfl draft results too.  Winning will help no doubt about it, but we have to change this perception because all the best talent in the country had been overlooking the big 12 for a while.  

This is why there are 8 sec teams in the top 20:

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

10 minutes ago, Scholz said:

Whatever the complaints are, the current arrangement won't change until '25 until the granting of media rights agreement expires so the argument is moot.

I will say this about our current setup however.  My complaint is that the Big XII had the easiest path to the playoffs previously with the round robin format and no extra title game hurdle.  Of course the braintrust of Bowlsby and Boren let that one differentiating advantage go by the wayside for another cash grab.  Way to guarantee a boring rematch every year that has the potential to keep the Big XII out of the playoffs, complete dipshits.  That's what a round robin is, idiots.  Everyone's already played everyone.

 

 

 

I think most seasons, that extra game would be more likely to strengthen the Big 12's best team's viability in the playoffs than to weaken it.  Assuming of course the favorite wins, that would always be the case.  Obviously if the favorite loses, they wont be getting in. But you seem to only be looking at the potential downside (while possible, is also unlikely) of the underdog winning. However there are two sides to that coin and the other side is a significant improvement in the likelihood of the Big 12 getting a team in the playoffs. For example, when all the other conferences are playing a CCG on Championship Saturday and if the Big 12 favorite is ranked  outside the top 4, we would likely need that CCG victory to propel them into the top 4.   Obviously other factors would have to come into play here, but I dont see how this would NOT be good if the Big 12 favorite isnt a top 4 team going into the final rankings.  I can easily see how a 11 win Texas or Oklahoma would get snubbed for a 12 win champ of any other conference.  But it's a lot harder to snub a 12 win big 12 champ.  Just looking at liklihoods and chances.  I think most times, the favorite will win the CCG and worth the risk of the underdog winning. 
 

Dont we have stats on this? how often the fav has won vs the underdog in the Big 12 ccg?

 

20 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

strawman.

when was the last season any of the other sec teams played all five of those schools in one season?

in the case of aggy, in 6 seasons in the sec, they have yet to play georgia and have a win and a loss against gatah.

in the case of any east team, when was the last season each east team played more than 1 of bama/barn/tigger.

Not a straw man. I am not saying they play them every year, but those are their conference mates, that's most of who they will be playing during their time at whatever school they choose. The rotations change and they know who they'll be playing over their 4 years.   And it's better competition  than we have in the big 12 currently.  which is something that matters to kids who want to go to the nfl, and they see how the Big 12 fares every draft (hint, not all that good compared to others).  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

13 minutes ago, SnowAggy said:

With severe vaginitis. 

Cries about having to play ISU...after OU loses to ISU.  Ironically, Pop Warner coached the Cyclones for awhile.

 

Not sure what you mean.  When did I cry about anything? And when have I ever mentioned playing ISU for anything at all?  You must be thinking of someone else.

 

12 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

This is why there are 8 sec teams in the top 20:

 

Maybe, but the results speak for themselves.  They are getting the beset talent, and that talent is translating to the nfl.  And we are left on the outside looking in.  We have to get better.

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

So we can watch a bunch of games again Iowa State and Kansas schools?

Just automatic wins, right?

[SnowAggy 154]

3 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

 

Not sure what you mean.  When did I cry about anything? And when have I ever mentioned playing ISU for anything at all?  You must be thinking of someone else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right, you weren't just lamenting SEC programs neg recruiting based on OU's schedule.  OU's inability to recruit top talent in an OU problem.  Not ISU's or KSU's.  

[Scholz 11,938]

13 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

I can easily see how a 11 win Texas or Oklahoma would get snubbed for a 12 win champ of any other conference. 

Except reality doesn't support that.  OU got in the playoffs without the subsequently added title game.  Texas and OU aren't getting snubbed in that scenario.  Baylor and TCU?  Sure.  But of course that's when the same braintrust wouldn't name a champ.

[pepper brooks 580]

It may not be dead, but if you like interesting home games for your conference football schedule the b12 definitely sucks the most ass for Texas fans. 

Edited June 4, 2018 by pepper brooks

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

9 minutes ago, SnowAggy said:

Right, you weren't just lamenting SEC programs neg recruiting based on OU's schedule.  OU's inability to recruit top talent in an OU problem.  Not ISU's or KSU's.  

 

Huh?  I was saying they play better competition in the sec than we do in the Big 12.  How is that even up for debate? And yes sec teams neg recruit Big 12 schools and all they have to do is compare schedules.   OU does just fine recruiting. 

[rickyspub 801]

3 minutes ago, Scholz said:

Except reality doesn't support that.  OU got in the playoffs without the subsequently added title game.  Texas and OU aren't getting snubbed in that scenario.  Baylor and TCU?  Sure.  But of course that's when the same braintrust wouldn't name a champ.

I think this is an instance where OU and UT potentially got out-voted. The rest of the conference won't get into the playoff without a CCG win. I could also see both teams making a deal to agree to the CCG in exchange for not pushing expansion with the available dregs.

[Lloyd Christmas 119]

13 minutes ago, Scholz said:

Except reality doesn't support that.  OU got in the playoffs without the subsequently added title game.  Texas and OU aren't getting snubbed in that scenario.  Baylor and TCU?  Sure.  But of course that's when the same braintrust wouldn't name a champ.

 

I never suggested you cant get in without it. Obviously you can.  I suggested having it makes it more likely that we do get a team in.   It sure helped that OU was ranked as the #3 team going into Championship saturday.  And they still dropped a spot to 4th and barely got in.  Lets say they were ranked 5 or 6 going into championship saturday with no game to play. Do they get in? It's MUCH LESS likely they move up a spot despite not playing.     And to use 2015 as an example, Michigan state with the same 11-1 record as OU was ranked 5th going into the final weekend. They play and win their CCG and get propelled to #3 and a trip to the playoffs.  It really goes both ways.  Again, what's more likely, the Big 12 favorite losing or winning?  Winning. And i think history shows us that the favorite wins more often than not.  Therefore giving us a better chance to get a team in the playoffs.   Can you refute with facts or more opinion?

Edited June 4, 2018 by Lloyd Christmas

[Scholz 11,938]

3 minutes ago, Lloyd Christmas said:

Huh?  I was saying they play better competition in the sec than we do in the Big 12.  How is that even up for debate? 

Because it is?  The SEC consists of 3 really good teams, a couple good ones and a bunch of hangers on.  Our SOS was much higher than aggy's was last year for example.

I will say that conference plays games with the rankings to over-inflate themselves: only playing 8 conference games, playing high school teams OOC to get a higher win total each thus getting a feedback loop where everybody's ranked higher when they play each other, hand picking bowl matchups (how does that even happen btw?), etc.

[Scholz 11,938]

Just now, Lloyd Christmas said:

 I suggested having it makes it more likely that we do get a team in.  

Can you refute with facts or more opinion?

Yes, I can refute with facts.  OU got in the playoffs with the exact scenario you're saying maybe won't let you in.  That's reality.  You're the one with conjecture.  I don't know why you $ooners cry like babies all the time about this conference.  It's never hampered you going to the playoffs a single time.  But you whine like it's holding you back.  What holds you back is you puking on yourselves when you get on the big stage, not getting there.