January 6th Committee Hearings Thread of Dominance

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

 

[Jive Turkey 12,641]

 

[Gourmand 7,774]

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

They not only let the crazies on the door, they put them in the driving seat. MAGAs aren’t giving that up, and most of the R politicians won’t dare cross the crazies because as a twice said, they are addicted to the money and power. The crazies know that they have the same part of the party by the balls because a split vote means defeat, and the right collectively would rather elect a monster (too many to list) than lose, because dead babies.

Yep, which is why the neighbors, friends, acquaintances, co-workers, and internet message board posters I'm most exasperated by are the apolitical types and the fake-centrist little-r voters who have the collective voting power to force change in the GQP but refuse to do so because they have been brainwashed by the BOTHSIDES Party and the mainstream media's compulsive need to falsely equate all things in the world of political disagreement as equally partisan and equally blameworthy. They consistently frame everything through this lens such that the dominant power of the party that enabled a conspiracy to overthrow a national presidential election, hijacked the Supreme Court to undermine our most basic privacy rights (i.e. bodily autonomy), lied repeatedly about "vaccine mandates" that never really happened, spent two years spewing out covid disinformation, puts the right to own an AR-15 in higher esteem than the right for elementary school kids to attend school safely, relentlessly attacks the LGBTQ community and won't stfu about their ginned up "border crisis" (only the southern border of course), and exists only to further the interests of the billlionaire class is characterized as equal to the small bloc of progressives who hold a small fraction of power in Congress and advocate for such crazy ideas as a return to sensible tax strategies, income equality, clean water and clean air, green energy initiatives to combat climate change, an increased minimum wage, universal health care for all Americans, de-militarizing the police, inclusion for POC and LGBTQ, and protecting our democracy. 

I know so many like this in my personal life and when you discuss this with them it's apparent they have soup brain cooked up in the Fox News kitchen or they know better but lack the courage to just own their mistakes and cannot untether themselves from their need to self-identify as something other than a lib. It really is all about their snowflake feelings.

Bothsiders are killing this country and hurting democracy.

[TwiceHorn 31,529]

8 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

it takes strength of character to be able to accept that you are wrong and have been wrong. I don't even mean externally - i think it's actually far easier to say to other people "I was wrong about...." than it is to, in your own mind, fully admit and accept that you are wrong and have been wrong. You have garden variety morons running around doing and saying the things that actual stupid people do and say, and then you have a large category of our Daily Texan posters, your MIL, theoretically non extremist GOP politicians, etc who aren't particularly more stupid than the average person and are otherwise reasonable but are too far in and lack the strength of character and moral courage to admit that they are completely fucking wrong. That's why they'll continue to pull that lever, and nothing is going to change that for them. To change at this point would be to admit it, and that is not something they are capable of.

Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

It's not just for alkies, yknow.

Edited June 10, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Brisketexan 105,273]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

It's not just for alkies, yknow.

Sounds like it's just for pussy communists, though.  Admitting you were wrong is un-American commie talk.  America is the best country ever, no apologies, and because I'm an American, no apologies and I'm never wrong either!  STANDFORTHEFLAGKNEELFORTHECROSSFREEDOMEAGLE!

[staboner 4,984]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

For those unaware. in addition to inciting the riot to disrupt the certification, Trump had a squad of people, including John Eastman, pressuring Pence not to certify the election for weeks.

And it has recently been revealed that Eastman & Co. specifically warned not to employ the courts in any strategy not to certify the election, because they knew the plan was harebrained and unlawful and they would be laughed out of court.

And the draft executive orders to have DoD or DHS seize voting machines across the country.

This is in addition to the 60 someodd meritless lolsuits they filed and lost, which is at least a halfway legitimate way to contest an election.

And the schemes to appoint fake electors at the state level who would insert themselves once the election was not certified.

And the attempts to have state election officials "find votes."

And the endless dumbass recounts leading to nothing, except confirmation that the election was fair and legitimate.

This. Was.  A. Conspiracy. To. Keep. Trump. In. Office.

And, at the very most minimal interpretation, to create FUD as to American elections without proof of any irregularity.  That alone is some insidious shit.  It's Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, Kim Jong-un shit.

If that doesn't concern you, I really don't know what to tell you.

 

thanks for this post. i read all 11ish pages of this thread this morning. your posts, and others on here, that were interacting with the trumpers was well, strange. If you get what has happened, what is happening, and what you see in real time posted on this thread - what is left to understand?

I read people barking back at the accusation/confession of this being a ploy to deflect from biden

I read people bitching about how laborsome Benghazi was. 

I read people still interacting with the trolls.

here is the deal - they aren't trolls. Either you are an American, or they are. You both can't be any longer. And no rational exchange of ideas, evidence, or stories of any kind will change that. There is no mechanism for correction left. 

We can both sides it, whatabout it, and goatfuck it but we cannot have any rational conversation about it. That ship has sailed. 

This is no different than dealing with that bearfucker in Moscow. Same Same. As @washparkhorn has mentioned numerous times - we are up against a wall of nihilism. 

anyway back to laughing at this mess best I can.

slowest civil war ever

[DaysOff 7,968]

9 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

 

Fucking pussy. Do something about it.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

17 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

Wait, wasn't Truth supposed to not censor?!?

 

 

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

Also, TFG is going after Ivanka...

 

 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Yep.  It's weird that my fantasy is that Liz Cheney would forgo this election to focus on her inevitable retaking of the white house in  2024 and that the mouthbreathers (I mean, the really crazy mouthbreathers - not the good mouthbreathers like Liz Cheney) would slowly be being purged right now as the Republicans prepare to sweep the midterms.
What a relatively beautiful world that would be.

Nahhhh - Liz Cheney is a ghoul.

Just because she’s only 94% rotten doesn’t make her “good”.

Her voting record is hot garbage and she’s her father’s daughter.

[Goredho 17,413]

lol, Ivanka didn’t have the sta-min-a.

[Brisketexan 105,273]

7 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

Yep, which is why the neighbors, friends, acquaintances, co-workers, and internet message board posters I'm most exasperated by are the apolitical types and the fake-centrist little-r voters who have the collective voting power to force change in the GQP but refuse to do so because they have been brainwashed by the BOTHSIDES Party and the mainstream media's compulsive need to falsely equate all things in the world of political disagreement as equally partisan and equally blameworthy. They consistently frame everything through this lens such that the dominant power of the party that enabled a conspiracy to overthrow a national presidential election, hijacked the Supreme Court to undermine our most basic privacy rights (i.e. bodily autonomy), lied repeatedly about "vaccine mandates" that never really happened, spent two years spewing out covid disinformation, puts the right to own an AR-15 in higher esteem than the right for elementary school kids to attend school safely, relentlessly attacks the LGBTQ community and won't stfu about their ginned up "border crisis" (only the southern border of course), and exists only to further the interests of the billlionaire class is characterized as equal to the small bloc of progressives who hold a small fraction of power in Congress and advocate for such crazy ideas as a return to sensible tax strategies, income equality, clean water and clean air, green energy initiatives to combat climate change, an increased minimum wage, universal health care for all Americans, de-militarizing the police, inclusion for POC and LGBTQ, and protecting our democracy. 

I know so many like this in my personal life and when you discuss this with them it's apparent they have soup brain cooked up in the Fox News kitchen or they know better but lack the courage to just own their mistakes and cannot untether themselves from their need to self-identify as something other than a lib. It really is all about their snowflake feelings.

Bothsiders are killing this country and hurting democracy.

And I confess that I'll never get this.  I generally hold the same VALUES that I held as my political identity was developing in my late childhood to early adulthood.  How those values manifest may have changed, but the values remain.  And that means that those values occupy spots all over the spectrum, including some close to either end.  For example:

1 -- the first "advocacy group" I ever joined was Greenpeace, when I was 7-8.  Because I was totally into cetaceans and was a fishing fool on the Texas coast, wanted to save the whales, and protect the oceans.  I still do.

2 -- perhaps the second was the NRA when I was 9-10.  Because I loved to shoot and hunt, and read every issue of Field and Stream.  I liked that it gave me access to additional writing on guns, different types, shooting and hunting tips, maintenance, and safety advice.

3 -- from my earliest childhood, my friends were a hodgepodge of races and ethnicities, and I'm the product of what many people would have characterized at the time as a mixed-race marriage.  It was ingrained in me from the very get-go  that we should treat everyone equally, with respect, decency, and kindness.  

4 -- by my adolescent years, I was exposed to enough gay people to think about them the same way I think about other races.  They're folks, treat em with kindness and don't be a hurtful discriminatory dick.

5 -- I thought that many policy decisions should be made on an economic cost-benefit basis.  That analysis could be complex, but if it was significantly skewed one way or the other in the "bang for your buck" standard, that should decide its fate.

6 -- I believed that military force has its place, because it is one of the tools in the toolkit of economic integration and cooperation, diplomacy, and conflict.  Sometimes, you need to roll of the sleeves and fight.

Now, as a result of some of those things, I took positions on specific policies that have changed over the years: an easy example is "trickle down" economics.  Based on my principles of ROI and policies that have economic benefit, I thought it was a good hypothesis.  HOWEVER, multiple iterations of attempting it have shown me that they hypothesis is pure shite, and does not work.  I believed X, but when the evidence demonstrated that X was not the case, I concluded that X was shite.  

Likewise, I used to be opposed to same-sex "marriage."  I had enough internal discomfort about homosexuality that I held onto a position that "yes, they should have all the LEGAL rights everyone else has, but you shouldn't call it 'marriage,' because that's something special reserved for men and women."  Now, the more I forced myself to think about it logically, and consistently with other principles that I believed in, I realized that I was being both an asshole and a dumbass.  I was wrong to oppose same sex 'marriage.'

I was more hawkish when I was younger.  I was too cavalier about sending young men and women into harm's way.  I still believe that force is a tool, but one that should be wielded only when all other reasonable paths have been exhausted.

I don't think that our problem is so much that Americans can't admit they have been wrong (although that's a problem).  It's that they don't have any underlying guiding principles that they follow.  That is demonstrated by how they reacted to January 6th, as compared to other events.  If they had an underlying principle of genuine love of their country and countrymen, they would have reacted like this:

When 9/11 happened: I was horrified beyond belief in real-time.  I was quick to anger against those who were attacking my country, my homeland.  I was devastatingly sad about what we had lost.

When Jan 6 happened:  THE EXACT SAME FUCKING SEQUENCE HAPPENED FOR ME.

Two sets of terrorists attacked foundations of my country. I reacted the same to both.  That's what an actual patriot who loves this country and wants it to survive feels.  But the Jan 6 apologists don't actually love this country or the people in it.  They do not follow that guiding principle.  They follow some sort of transitory whim.  They are in the thrall of a cult built on contempt, cruelty, and directionless anger.  When you follow that, and not underlying principles, you go to some pretty shitty places.  Places like the halls of Congress, looking to kill the Vice President.

I hate those people.  I hated the terrorists of 9/11, and those who supported and facilitated them.  And I hate the terrorists and their facilitators of January 6th.  You know how hard we cheered when Bin Laden was finally taken out?  I will cheer that loudly when Trump and his minions are gone.  You should too.

[Brisketexan 105,273]

21 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

 

As I've said before.....Irony isn't just dead, it's been dismembered and run through a wood chipper.

Fucking Truth Social, "we're all about freedom, no bannings here!"......immediately bans discussion of ACTUAL things that ACTUALLY happened.  It's fucking too rich.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,587]

25 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

 

Peach tree dish of cancel culture

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

A formidable and early display of force, with a dozen arrests would have taken care of business. We’d already would have forgotten about it.

the forces were not present to do that, apparently by design

the national security apparatus knew tens of thousands of nutters would be heading *to the rally* a minimum of 48 hours beforehand on the 4th because Bluffdale and algorhythms

did the toys miss the signals this was going to be something more?  doubtful

but escalating above and around the command authority to have forces in place to insure control would remind the world of the capabilities of the apparatus

what is undeniable is that the stacked entry methodology would have been extant days in advance in fascist command & control comms easily detectable by the algorhytms

what was done with that information will never be known

but it was likely shitcanned before it ever got to the orange man so he would have pd on the matter

the weak almost negligible force projection on the day was by design

it's like the re-routing of the motorcade for the dealey plaza job and the call to stand down the 112th military intelligence group at 4th army hq at fort sam houston in san antonio which should have been in dallas on the day

the capitol police were deliberately exposed with an intent to sacrifice them the moment they opened fire

the amazing preternatual patience and situational awareness of the capitol police foiled the orange man and the fascists

along with mike pence they are heroes on the day

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

 

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,587]

27 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Also, TFG is going after Ivanka...

 

 

"...Also, I bet she sucks in the sack. SHE'S UGLY!"

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,521]

It's a surprise that Trump called out Ivanka but in reality, her statement was well crafted. Basically that she accepted Barr's opinion. She didn't say her father lost in 2020. You could argue that Trump accepted Barr and other's opinions in the sense that he left the WH.

I hope that we get to hear from Don Jr. in the upcoming sessions in relation to everyone calling/texting the WH since they felt that Trump could call on the rioters to stand down. I believe Don Jr. was calling for his dad to say something, indicating his father could control the riot.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

pence gave military orders while trump was not incapacitated. maybe there was a coup after all. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

pence gave military orders while trump was not incapacitated. maybe there was a coup after all. 

DEEP STATE! 

[jimmyjazz 46,093]

55 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Also, I want to know this list of people in addition to Scott Perry.

 

 

They will be disclosed.  Unfortunately, by not doing so last night, a lot fewer people will learn who they are.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

good 🧵

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

55 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

If he doesn’t watch every fucking minute then he’s incompetent. 

[MissingInAction 25,171]

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

that reference is a little outdated.  i would say that we bought a monorail.

And the Kardashians. 

[Mdhorn 5,984]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That is an interesting point and I think there's some validity to it.

There's no doubt in my mind that Trump, Flynn and their Congressional accomplices would've seized the government amidst basically a Capital Police firing squad. If they could get the National Guard to stand down, they probably could've given them marching orders too.  It wouldn't have gone well for the capital police though.  Without the National Guard, I really believe that this shitty circumstance was handled the best way it possibly could've been.  I mean, GOP lawmakers were giving tours the day before.  It's really fortunate Pence, Nancy, AOC and the rest escaped.  

And just think, Fox was already spinning the shooting of just one of their brainwashed maniacs. Republicans would be screaming for blood, holding hearings on why Capital Police decidedly mowed down fine unarmed "tourists," while Trump talked about how the radical left were gunning for the Right inciting them further.  

So much more really could've gone wrong that day, and they almost all would've benefitted Trump and his cult of Republicans.  

Edited June 10, 2022 by Mdhorn

[Neonmoon 38,130]

16 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If he doesn’t watch every fucking minute then he’s incompetent. 

Spoiler: He is incompetent 

 

[Dutchrudder 11,150]

33 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

 

Really should be driving those around battleground states.

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Spoiler: He is incompetent 

 

This is my concern but I’m trying to remain hopeful. Probably to no avail. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

18 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Really should be driving those around battleground states.

Better up-armor that cab first. It wouldn’t make it 3 blocks without a bunch of holes in it in most red parts of town.

Edited June 10, 2022 by TXSG8R

[RomaVicta 29,967]

12 hours ago, brakeman said:

They were ordered to stand down by C.Miller.

 

I believe firmly that here is where the meat is. Trump put flunkies in charge of defense just before the insurrection. They obstructed deployment to defend the Capitol. Mike Flynn's brother was in the middle of this, and he lied about it at first.

I think you can follow a path up the chain of command that will give compelling evidence that these actions were part of the conspiracy to overturn a rightful election and install an autocrat. 

"Whose orders were you following?"

That's an unambiguous path to somebody making decisions. I doubt Trump's flunkies will fall on their swords.

[Underdog 28,766]

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Also, TFG is going after Ivanka...

 

 

Ivanka already cut him off. 

[Gil Bang 25,998]

12 hours ago, mchookem said:

 

there was a shot of people from the bottom of some stairs just pushing with all their might, just person after person shoving the people in front of them, with a depth of hundreds of people...all i could think about was those people getting crushed at that Travis Scott concert. nightmare fuel.

I'd crush somebody to get OUT of a Travis Scott concert

4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Hoo boy. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there have absolutely been serious “what do we do about your dad” conversations in their household.

(Also, lol at “my son married a black lady, therefore I can’t be racist”)

Ya think the family has discussed invoking the 25th? 

[Chad Fuck 17,742]

4 hours ago, Bullneck said:

I think Ivanka might want to pay Donald back for a few things.

Ivanka learned from being at the side of tfg that you are only loyal to yourself - family included.   She's attempting to survive another day and is happy to jettison that orange cockgoblin if it means she can continue to sell handbags and jewelry to aspirational idiots for decades to come.

[Cousin Strawberry 1,261]

Thats on Ardoin

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

add this cunt to the list

 

[Biff Tannen 45,712]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Sounds like it's just for pussy communists, though.  Admitting you were wrong is un-American commie talk.  America is the best country ever, no apologies, and because I'm an American, no apologies and I'm never wrong either!  STANDFORTHEFLAGKNEELFORTHECROSSFREEDOMEAGLE!

Also this. American Exceptionalism is a fucking horrible concept. 

[Chad Fuck 17,742]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Nahhhh - Liz Cheney is a ghoul.

Just because she’s only 94% rotten doesn’t make her “good”.

Her voting record is hot garbage and she’s her father’s daughter.

Stalin was a total asshole, but he was helpful in defeating Hitler.

You aren't wrong, but Liz isn't the gravest danger right now. 

[RomaVicta 29,967]

8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

add this cunt to the list

 

Annnddd, Thomas is impeachment-proof. Why not flaunt decorum, the appearance of neutrality, or even the law?

[staboner 4,984]

13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

add this cunt to the list

 

huh. she looks exactly like i would have expected. imagine that. 

[Dutchrudder 11,150]

37 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe firmly that here is where the meat is. Trump put flunkies in charge of defense just before the insurrection. They obstructed deployment to defend the Capitol. Mike Flynn's brother was in the middle of this, and he lied about it at first.

I think you can follow a path up the chain of command that will give compelling evidence that these actions were part of the conspiracy to overturn a rightful election and install an autocrat. 

"Whose orders were you following?"

That's an unambiguous path to somebody making decisions. I doubt Trump's flunkies will fall on their swords.

My thought is that the decision to let them inside the building was to hope for some armed conflict. If the body count rises enough, then it could be used as grounds for declaring Martial Law and postponing the vote certification and transfer of power. 

[jimmyjazz 46,093]

8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Annnddd, Thomas is impeachment-proof. 

Which Thomas?  Ginni or Clarence?  

Clarence could definitely be impeached.

[Bullneck 19,200]

24 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

add this cunt to the list

 

Well, if you add Ginni you have to add this bitch:

[DigglerontheHoof 21,212]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Which Thomas?  Ginni or Clarence?  

Clarence could definitely be impeached.

In theory:  yes.  In reality:  no fucking way

[RomaVicta 29,967]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Which Thomas?  Ginni or Clarence?  

Clarence could definitely be impeached.

Thomas is impeachment proof in the same way that Dem presidents can't appoint justices.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

1 hour ago, staboner said:

huh. she looks exactly like i would have expected. imagine that. 

the rickest rick has the mortiest morty, so of course america would have the karenest karen.

[Fudge Nuggets 19,211]

2 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"...Also, I bet she sucks in the sack. SHE'S UGLY!"

“I really don’t know her.  We have met once or twice briefly.  She may have brought coffee to our treason conspiracy meetings, but that was about it.”

”Oh, you’re talking about the oldest one?  I thought you were talking about the other girl I fathered.  Whats her name again?”

[David Dennison 18,944]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Thomas is impeachment proof in the same way that Dem presidents can't appoint justices.

Thanks a lot, Obama.

[Sawbonz 27,584]

3 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

This fucking guy 

[pyrohornIII 4,817]

4 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Also, I want to know this list of people in addition to Scott Perry.

 

 

I am hoping that there is a strategy to the threat of exposure being used to leverage more testimony or even cooperation.  

[jimmyjazz 46,093]

16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

This fucking guy 

Well, bedtime.