January 6th Committee Hearings Thread of Dominance

[Underdog 28,633]

42 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Ah so he was having a well done steak for lunch. 

If a Trump steak, that thing bounced around off the walls for a bit like a Superball.  

[Eskimohorn 5,635]

Hey, this story finally made the news.
 

Helps his bonafides with the terrorists who felt abandoned by their leader. “He tried but was stopped by Deep State.”

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,870]

9 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

The adoptive-admission rule is that a statement is not hearsay if it is adopted by the speaker as being accurate.  A statement can be adopted by silence when it would be reasonably expected that the original speaker would deny it.

So when she's recounting the story that Meadows told her about what happened in the limo, that's hearsay.  But presuming Meadows is watching the hearings--something that they'll have to lay the foundation on if he ever testifies--it could be an adopted admission if he doesn't get out there on Twitter right now saying "I never said that shit."

ok, that sounds good and all and thanks for the explanation, but wouldn't going to Twitter rather than sworn testimony just make it more likely she is telling the truth?

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[Francisco 2.0 32,393]

This seems bad.

 

 

 

[Fastbreak 3,985]

I remember when all of Obama’s staff and inner circle was asking for pardons. Those where crazy times.

[Sbbruin 21,853]

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

This seems bad.

 

 

 

Grant him immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony.

[Brisketexan 105,139]

54 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

They are evil.  Every.  Last.  One. Of.  Them.  Melania is just as bad as he is.

52 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Exactly. The DOJ still has to bring charges. And then they have to schedule trials. And that shit will get dragged on forever. If the GQP holds all three branches of government in two years, the chances of any and all prosecution of Trump & his lackeys getting shut down will be 100%. Not 50%, not 75%......100%. Their party platform is basically a wholesale defense of  Trump's idiotic bullshit, whatever that may be. The only chance this fucker ever sees justice is if the dems somehow manage to not lose congress and the WH, and those are some pretty long fucking odds right now. 

You've got it.

47 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

We just need him to die.  That is seriously the best thing for America.  We need a former president to die.

100% this.  Never in my lifetime would the state of the entire planet be so well-served by the death of a single fantastically shitty human being.

46 minutes ago, Satchel said:

“The moral arc of the universe is long and it bends toward justice.” It’s the more poetic version of, you may get by, but you won’t get away.

Yeah.....long, long term, I agree.  Just like I agree that the Earth will be fine despite man-made climate change.  Earth will survive just fine.  Plenty of places will be habitable, produce crops, etc.

In both cases, the concern is the cost it's going to take to get there.  We're gonna go through some pretty shittacular pain -- it's already started.  We'll get to the other side...how much human loss and suffering will it take to get there?

36 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The DoJ needs to go for the sedition charge because there are quite a few people involved with this who never need to hold office again.  They are dangers to our democracy.

Absolutely this.  The members of this admin were and are a greater threat to our nation's survival than Al Qaeda ever was.  We should fight them with equal -- GREATER -- vigor.

Problem is, we have a huge 5th Column in our country actively fighting on their side, called "the entire Republican Party."  The GQP is a terrorist movement no matter what definition of the term you use.

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9 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Flynn is the worst. A literal three star general that wanted to overthrow the government. That's chilling.

It’s actually worse than that. He still wants to overthrow the government.  It’s clear that no one in the red hat tribe is interested in actual democracy. They would eagerly support an autocracy or dictatorship, so long as it is of the ultra conservative fake Christian brand. They don’t want freedom, they want to have their way, period. And absolute control. As a veteran it is particularly infuriating, but all pro-democracy Americans should be disgusted at how they’ve co-opted and perverted the word “patriot” to mean only someone who supports a particular politician or political agenda. The biggest case of sour grapes over an election and angst over the much of the free world evolving in a more progressive direction. 

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1 minute ago, Fastbreak said:

I remember when all of Obama’s staff and inner circle was asking for pardons. Those where crazy times.

Remember how hard the R's tried to invent an Obama scandal? I know we joke about it but they tried to make him saluting while holding coffee a thing. Then their guy attempts to overthrow the government and we're treated to eye rolls. "No one is watching."

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They are evil.  Every.  Last.  One. Of.  Them.  Melania is just as bad as he is.

You've got it.

100% this.  Never in my lifetime would the state of the entire planet be so well-served by the death of a single fantastically shitty human being.

Yeah.....long, long term, I agree.  Just like I agree that the Earth will be fine despite man-made climate change.  Earth will survive just fine.  Plenty of places will be habitable, produce crops, etc.

In both cases, the concern is the cost it's going to take to get there.  We're gonna go through some pretty shittacular pain -- it's already started.  We'll get to the other side...how much human loss and suffering will it take to get there?

Absolutely this.  The members of this admin were and are a greater threat to our nation's survival than Al Qaeda ever was.  We should fight them with equal -- GREATER -- vigor.

Problem is, we have a huge 5th Column in our country actively fighting on their side, called "the entire Republican Party."  The GQP is a terrorist movement no matter what definition of the term you use.

How about the original legal definition of terrorism as given by the military?

”the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious or ideological in nature. This is done through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear”

-Army TRADOC pamphlet 525-37, 1984

Edited June 28, 2022 by hpslugga

[Horndog 2,228]

1 hour ago, brakeman said:

“Ketchup on the walls”

At least it wasn't Dijon mustard. 

[tchookem 3,900]

People, people... The Constitution doesn't say anything about women testifying to Congress. Checkmate Libs.

[hpslugga 4,058]

1 minute ago, Horndog said:

At least it wasn't Dijon mustard. 

Can anyone imagine how many heads would have exploded if Romney legit won in 2012 and Obama did all the shit that was described today?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,870]

 

[Red Five 40,858]

So, what do we think would have happened if the secret service had allowed Trump to go to the Capitol? Does he go in? Does he go to the house floor and declare himself the winner of the election?

[C-Man 27,227]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

So, what do we think would have happened if the secret service had allowed Trump to go to the Capitol? Does he go in? Does he go to the house floor and declare himself the winner of the election?

I wish they'd have let him do it.

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

Now tell me how much of this is covered tonight by their prime time shows?

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

3 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Can anyone imagine how many heads would have exploded if Romney legit won in 2012 and Obama did all the shit that was described today?

I assume someone would have assassinated him. 

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

18 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

ok, that sounds good and all and thanks for the explanation, but wouldn't going to Twitter rather than sworn testimony just make it more likely she is telling the truth?

The point is that if someone says you said something and you would be reasonably expected to deny it, then that silence can be viewed as admitting that you said it.

Trump's favored mode of communication is social media.  And we know he's watching the hearings.  So all of that shit she says he said--if he doesn't deny it, it's the same as him admitting to saying it.

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14 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

I remember when all of Obama’s staff and inner circle was asking for pardons. Those where crazy times.

Most divisive president in our history.

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

So, what do we think would have happened if the secret service had allowed Trump to go to the Capitol? Does he go in? Does he go to the house floor and declare himself the winner of the election?

You would've had a shoot-out between the Capitol Police and the Secret Service.

[Francisco 2.0 32,393]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

 

Well, until we get the Murderer's Row this evening of the Fox "opinion" shows.    They will say something like this committee should be investigating Hunter, and oh, by the way, have you seen gas prices lately?

[Fudge Nuggets 19,190]

12 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Grant him immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony.

Fuck that. String his ass up. 

[Brisketexan 105,139]

28 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Flynn is the worst. A literal three star general that wanted to overthrow the government. That's chilling.

 

22 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Reactive him and take his pension. Make him go to work at Best Buy.

 

8 minutes ago, Whitewater Horn said:

It’s actually worse than that. He still wants to overthrow the government.  It’s clear that no one in the red hat tribe is interested in actual democracy. They would eagerly support an autocracy or dictatorship, so long as it is of the ultra conservative fake Christian brand. They don’t want freedom, they want to have their way, period. And absolute control. As a veteran it is particularly infuriating, but all pro-democracy Americans should be disgusted at how they’ve co-opted and perverted the word “patriot” to mean only someone who supports a particular politician or political agenda. The biggest case of sour grapes over an election and angst over the much of the free world evolving in a more progressive direction. 

Y'all are playing this way too shallow.  Play deep.

Military retirees (retiring after 20n years of service) are subject to the UCMJ.

Quote

(a)Any person subject to this chapter who—(1)

with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

(2)

with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;

(3)

fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.

(b)

A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 68.)

Try him in via court martial pursuant to the UCMJ.  Convict him.  And let the jury contemplate all possible punishments, including death.

A soldier who acts to overthrow our government should be executed.  I oppose the death penalty......but I think I may be comfortable with this exception.  This is no different than Flynn leading/assisting a force loyal to Putin to overthrow our country (and practically speaking.....that's pretty close to what he did).

Every person associated with this admin is trash.  Many, many of them should go to prison.  But Flynn....he should hang.

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

The point is that if someone says you said something and you would be reasonably expected to deny it, then that silence can be viewed as admitting that you said it.

Trump's favored mode of communication is social media.  And we know he's watching the hearings.  So all of that shit she says he said--if he doesn't deny it, it's the same as him admitting to saying it.

If not watching, it’s in testimony that this reading of transcripts is used to intimidate witnesses. 

[Francisco 2.0 32,393]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

So, what do we think would have happened if the secret service had allowed Trump to go to the Capitol? Does he go in? Does he go to the house floor and declare himself the winner of the election?

 

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,870]

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

So, what do we think would have happened if the secret service had allowed Trump to go to the Capitol? Does he go in? Does he go to the house floor and declare himself the winner of the election?

Spoiler

In the movie "Perfume: Story of a Murderer" the main character Jean-Baptiste Grenouille creates a perfume so powerful it can be used to command people. In the end he ends up pouring it all over himself and is completely consumed by a mob who sees him as an angel and their love for him is shown by completely devouring him. Not a hair left. One would hope the same thing would have happened to TFG. A boy can dream. Here's the scene if you want to see what I am talking about:

 

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

I oppose the death penalty......but I think I may be comfortable with this exception.

He's an insurgent. Law of War.

[Sbbruin 21,853]

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

Fuck that. String his ass up. 

While I agree, he, to me, seems like the most important possible witness in nailing Trump to the wall.  He is fighting appearing to the death, because he knows he will get charged...and convicted.  Get his testimony, and Trump may actually go to jail.

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1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

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In the movie "Perfume: Story of a Murderer" the main character Jean-Baptiste Grenouille creates a perfume so powerful it can be used to command people. In the end he ends up pouring it all over himself and is completely consumed by a mob who sees him an angle and their love for him is shown by completely devouring him. Not a hair left. One would hope the same thing would have happened to TFG. A boy can dream. Here's the scene if you want to see what I am talking about:

 

 

Weird. Had no idea this was a movie. Book was solid entertainment. 

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If not watching, it’s in testimony that this reading of transcripts is used to intimidate witnesses. 

His lawyers are going to say that no reasonable person would believe Trump reading anything longer than 60 characters.

[B00M 6,416]

7 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

Link to said devastating testimony?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,870]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Weird. Had no idea this was a movie. Book was solid entertainment. 

great flick. give it a whirl

Just now, B00M said:

Link to said devastating testimony?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Underdog 28,633]

He fully would’ve expected his followers to part like the Red Sea as he headed to the House floor.  

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14 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Remember how hard the R's tried to invent an Obama scandal? I know we joke about it but they tried to make him saluting while holding coffee a thing. Then their guy attempts to overthrow the government and we're treated to eye rolls. "No one is watching."

but his tan suit!!!

[Brisketexan 105,139]

Just now, chainsaw said:

He's an insurgent. Law of War.

I think that's exactly what the UCMJ deems him.  He levied war against this country.  He should be administered lethal injection at Ft. Leavenworth.

All of that said, for an execution sentence under the UCMJ to be complete, the POTUS himself must approve.  If the POTUS is Biden or any other Dem, I expect that they would commute it to life imprisonment at Leavenworth.  If the POTUS is a Repub, I would expect a full pardon and elevation of Flynn to the office of SOS or SecDef.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I think that's exactly what the UCMJ deems him.  He levied war against this country.  He should be administered lethal injection at Ft. Leavenworth.

All of that said, for an execution sentence under the UCMJ to be complete, the POTUS himself must approve.  If the POTUS is Biden or any other Dem, I expect that they would commute it to life imprisonment at Leavenworth.  If the POTUS is a Repub, I would expect a full pardon and elevation of Flynn to the office of SOS or SecDef.

Wouldn't any future GOP president let him free, if Biden "high roaded" the sentence to life at Ft Leavenworth?

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I have a question related to the use of the 5th amendment.  (Not trying to defend Flynn, just curious about how it works.)  Could Flynn have answered some questions, but used the 5th amendment to not answer other questions or doe he have to use the 5th amendment for his entire testimony?

[Underdog 28,633]

14 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

It’s “devastating” to one person and one person only... 

Spoiler

 

In the minds of Fox News. 

[Brisketexan 105,139]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

I have a question related to the use of the 5th amendment.  (Not trying to defend Flynn, just curious about how it works.)  Could Flynn have answered some questions, but used the 5th amendment to not answer other questions or doe he have to use the 5th amendment for his entire testimony?

Invoking the 5th is to be done on a question-by-question basis -- you are only entitled to avoid giving information that would tend to incriminate you.  So, asking simple background questions (for example) would not be proper grounds for asserting the 5th - Are you General Flynn?  Are you retired from the military after 33 years of service?  Did you have a position within the Trump administration?  None of the answers to those is incriminating, he would have to answer them. But when they ask when he last talked to Trump, and what they talked about, wouldn't be surprised for him to invoke the 5th, because that conversation was in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy.

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17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Now tell me how much of this is covered tonight by their prime time shows?

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2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

The point is that if someone says you said something and you would be reasonably expected to deny it, then that silence can be viewed as admitting that you said it.

Trump's favored mode of communication is social media.  And we know he's watching the hearings.  So all of that shit she says he said--if he doesn't deny it, it's the same as him admitting to saying it.

To take it a step further, they can call him to testify to either confirm or deny the allegations. He would have to make a choice to no show and run the risk of the statement being adopted or go under oath on national television. 
 

Edit because I had to stop writing this to take a call and picked up where I thought I left off. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Eastwood

[royiv 9,317]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Did you have a position within the Trump administration?  None of the answers to those is incriminating, he would have to answer them. 

You sure about that?

[B00M 6,416]

4 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

great flick. give it a whirl

Great movie but unfortunately it was a serious request. I couldn't watch today or keep up with this thread but I was able to find the relevant clips and context here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-hearing-cassidy-hutchinson-what-we-learned-1375653/

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,870]

Just now, B00M said:

Great movie but unfortunately it was a serious request. I couldn't watch today or keep up with this thread but I was able to find the relevant clips and context here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-hearing-cassidy-hutchinson-what-we-learned-1375653/

 

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

I obviously don't keep up with Fox news, but they seem to be slipping on their vapid blond on air personalities. She's a 7 at best.

Yea, but tonight, from 7:00-10:00, on Fox, you will hear a completely different narrative.   They’ll have a completely different version of the truth.  It’s what they do.

[Ojo Rojo 1,965]

This is all so shocking, yet not. It is unbelievably horrifying, but at the same time I'm having a hard time caring too much about it because I do not expect anything to be done about it. And I'm also still confused as to how anyone can be exposed to the evidence presented at these hearings and think anything other than Trump should be jailed and never allowed to run for office again. It's like my mind is leading me to a set of conclusions that I know will never occur so I just move on and don't think about it.