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3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"Here we go again. Another Witch Hunt, the likes which have never been seen. These hearings, which totally exonorate me, are total bullshit. I demand equal time to refuse to testify under oath. The convictions and guilty pleas from the Russia Russia Russia investigation prove there was no wrong-doing then, and now Democrats are at it again. UNPRESIDENTED!!!"

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-demands-equal-time-accuses-154410882.html

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this is really boring and overhyped.  Most of the country doesn't care about topic, I'd say a 3 hour special on inflation would get more eyeballs.  Or a bikini contest. 

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yesterday felt like the "Rehabilitate Mike Pence's Reputation Day"

but this milquetoast coward strung out the whole "the VP can reject the electors" narrative touted by Trump for a whole month in silence. Only at the 11th hour does he publicly reject it while the mouthbreathers are all frothed up outside the Capitol Building ready to rage .

He, like a lot of these GOP Washington types, was playing the silent, public loyal soldier to Trump all the way to the nearly bitter end; giving hope to the cult along the way.

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45 minutes ago, yoladu said:

yesterday felt like the "Rehabilitate Mike Pence's Reputation Day"

but this milquetoast coward strung out the whole "the VP can reject the electors" narrative touted by Trump for a whole month in silence. Only at the 11th hour does he publicly reject it while the mouthbreathers are all frothed up outside the Capitol Building ready to rage .

He, like a lot of these GOP Washington types, was playing the silent, public loyal soldier to Trump all the way to the nearly bitter end; giving hope to the cult along the way.

He later went on to make excuses for threats on his lie in order to try to salvage his political career. He got one thing right once in his life. Got to give him credit for that. A decent person never would’ve been Mike Pence in the first place and never would’ve been placed in a situation where he had to ask Dan Fucking ‘I can’t spell potato’ Quayle for advice.

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Pence did the right thing under a lot of pressure from many directions and including physical risk. Credit where credit is due.

Many of the posts on Pence reflect the binary thinking of all good vs all evil. Pence is not someone I want to know, but he can and should be proud of what he did Nov. 6.

 

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8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Pence did the right thing under a lot of pressure from many directions and including physical risk. Credit where credit is due.

Many of the posts on Pence reflect the binary thinking of all good vs all evil. Pence is not someone I want to know, but he can and should be proud of what he did Nov. 6.

 

this is pretty much where I sit. he's still a pos, but amidst a ton of pressure he did the right thing. nothing more, and therefore any praise ends there. this isn't hard

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1 hour ago, yoladu said:

yesterday felt like the "Rehabilitate Mike Pence's Reputation Day"

but this milquetoast coward strung out the whole "the VP can reject the electors" narrative touted by Trump for a whole month in silence. Only at the 11th hour does he publicly reject it while the mouthbreathers are all frothed up outside the Capitol Building ready to rage .

He, like a lot of these GOP Washington types, was playing the silent, public loyal soldier to Trump all the way to the nearly bitter end; giving hope to the cult along the way.

Suppose he had rejected the whole idea outright in December, do you think it would have played out the same?  Does the SS even let him get to the building on Jan 6? Pence was concerned they would evacuate him and someone else would take over the session, it can't be too crazy to think he might have been targeted another way prior to the riot and prevented from showing up.

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Yeah I'm not really on board with this idea that Pence should be a hero simply because he did the job he was elected to do.  The fact he was surrounded by elected/appointed officials who couldn't even reach that low bar speaks more about them that it does about him.  

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2 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

 

 


Does this belong here or does this need its own coup thread?

 

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“Their interviews at the Capitol were authorized and pre-arranged through Congressional aides of the members interviewed,” the network said. “After leaving the members’ offices on their last interview of the day, the production team stayed to film stand-ups and other final comedy elements in the halls when they were detained by Capitol Police.”

The USCP statement said the case remains “an active criminal investigation, and may result in additional criminal charges.” Capitol Police, departing from standard practice, refused to provide the names of the people who were arrested.

They’ll show up to be interviewed without having to be subpoenaed because that’s what innocent people do. Unlike Trump and his circle of mobsters. 

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Does this belong here or does this need its own coup thread?

 

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Just now, SmokeyTheBear said:

Is MNL insinuating that Jan 6 was pre-planned with the blessing of some government officials? That seems relevant. 

He’s waaaaaay too stupid to insinuate, infer, imply, reason, or consider.  He’s too dumb to even be a bot.  

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Jan 6: Arrest them or no big deal 

BLM building burners: Arrest them or no big deal 

Colbert Crew: Arrest them or no big deal 

Police that kill blacks: Arrest them or no big deal 

Only one side chooses arrest them in all cases. It ain’t the supposed party of “law and order”. Wonder why

 

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“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy.” - Distinguished Conservative Jurist J. Michael Luttig 

But he’s wrong. Clear and Present danger doesn’t cut it. They are an active, violent terrorist insurgency currently waging war against the US and its government. We should fight them as such, or they will win. And we know which way that’s going right now.
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The ABC News-Ipsos survey published on Sunday found that 58 percent of respondents said Trump should be criminally charged, while 40 percent of respondents said Trump should not face charges.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3529190-more-americans-say-trump-should-face-charges-in-connection-with-jan-6-poll/

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AYESHA RASCOE, HOST:

Two top Georgia election officials will appear Tuesday at the next hearing of the House committee investigating the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Their appearances underscore the outsized role Georgia has played in these public hearings, and they come as the state is again in a highly charged election year. Georgia Public Broadcasting's Stephen Fowler joins us this morning to discuss. Hey, Stephen.

STEPHEN FOWLER, BYLINE: Hey, Ayesha.

RASCOE: So who are these two officials testifying? Are some of them the ones that we've seen on TV before?

FOWLER: Exactly. The officials are Brad Raffensperger, who's the secretary of state, and his top deputy, Gabriel Sterling. They'll talk about one of former President Trump's brazen efforts to overturn the 2020 election that he lost. Now, Raffensperger famously rebuffed Trump's pressure to, quote, "find enough votes to reverse his narrow defeat." And Sterling was a frequent figure on televised news conferences, debunking false claims of fraud and fellow Republicans' attacks on election workers.

Now, I've been told we also might hear from a Fulton County election worker, Shaye Moss, who faced death threats and harassment after far-right media outlets, Trump and people within his orbit accused her of illegally altering election results. She received a Profile in Courage Award from the John F. Kennedy Library.

RASCOE: So why does the select committee want to hear from them?

FOWLER: Well, Tuesday's committee hearing is expected to highlight the pressure campaign that Trump and his allies exerted on local elections officials in Georgia and other states to reverse these presidential election results. And it comes on the heels of Thursday's hearing that outlined attempts to get former Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Electoral College results.

Now, Raffensperger and others have also provided hours of testimony privately to the committee, including discussion of the unprecedented call from Trump leaked to GPB and others. Gabriel Sterling has also spoken at length about threats election workers have faced and again debunked tons of claims about Georgia's voting system. This also follows testimony of former U.S. attorney in Atlanta, B.J. Pak. He abruptly resigned about the same time as Trump's call to Raffensperger because Trump was going to fire him for not finding fraud in Georgia.

RASCOE: Isn't there another investigation of note that's happening in Georgia along these same lines?

FOWLER: Absolutely. The Fulton County district attorney, which is where Atlanta is, has convened a grand jury to look into Trump's efforts to overturn the election. They're trying to find out if Trump and others violated several state laws in their efforts to overturn the election. Raffensperger testified in front of that panel for about four hours recently. There's a number of other witnesses giving their testimony about things like threats, hearings, what false claims of fraud were given to lawmakers, and, of course, Trump's call.

RASCOE: So can you bring us up to speed on another aspect of the January 6 investigation related to Georgia? There's this question about Georgia Congressman Barry Loudermilk giving a tour of the Capitol complex. Like, why is there a focus on that?

FOWLER: So Loudermilk, who's a Republican, gave a tour the day before the attack on the Capitol that's raised questions for the select committee. This week, they released footage of a man on that tour taking photos of parts of the U.S. Capitol complex, quote, "not typically of interest to tourists, including hallways, staircases and security checkpoints." The committee also says at least one member of that tour was outside the Capitol on January 6 itself, taking video and making threats against top Democratic lawmakers. So some big questions they have - what was that person doing? Why were they taking photos and videos, and why were they outside of the Capitol on January 6?

Now, Ayesha, Loudermilk thus far has declined to cooperate with the committee's efforts to get more information. He said it's just a small group visiting their congressman and is in no way a suspicious activity. And he's - office released a number of violent threats he's been receiving in recent weeks that he blames the committee for.

RASCOE: So going back to Georgia before we go, Raffensperger, among others, is on the ballot so - in what's shaping up to be another really closely watched election this fall. Tell me about that.

FOWLER: Right. So Raffensperger did beat a Trump-backed primary challenger last month. His Democratic opponent will be decided in a runoff that's also on Tuesday. And there are other huge races on top of this ticket. Brian Kemp squares off against Stacey Abrams in a rematch for governor. Raphael Warnock is against Herschel Walker in a Senate race that could help decide control of that chamber yet again.

RASCOE: In the about a minute we have left, you know, you have Warnock going up against Herschel Walker. You mentioned that. Can you tell me a little bit about what's happening with that race?

FOWLER: Right. So Raphael Warnock won in January 2021 in a special election runoff that was actually hours before the January 6 insurrection. And he's running now for a full six-year term. And he's running against Republican Herschel Walker, who got into the race on Trump's behalf and at Trump's urging. And Herschel Walker is a legend in Georgia because he's a former Heisman Trophy-winning football player. And Walker easily beat his Republican primary field. He didn't skip - he didn't go to debates. He didn't go to that many events.

And there's a lot of news about Herschel Walker's past that's been coming out, even before the primary, that have people raising questions. This week, it includes false claims he made about being in law enforcement. And it was revealed that he has several additional children that he previously disclosed, which isn't necessarily a big deal, except for the fact that he's made frequent points criticizing absentee fathers in the Black community. So this race, Ayesha, is going to be one of the ones to watch because right now polling has it essentially tied.

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A prosecutor who worked on the Watergate case against Richard Nixon 50 years ago said on Sunday that a Georgia election interference case is the most likely to send former President Trump to prison.

“I think that’s enough. If you’re asking me which of the cases right now, which one is going to send Donald Trump to prison, that’s the case,” Nick Akerman told MSNBC on Sunday, referring to a January 2021 call between Trump and Georgia’s secretary of state.

“If I had to put my money on one prosecution that’s going to go forward here that would send Donald Trump to jail, it’s Georgia,” Akerman, a former prosecutor with the Watergate Special Prosecution Force under Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski, said. “No question about it.”

Fulton County in Georgia has convened a special grand jury to investigate Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in the state. The case centers on the call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R).

Trump, who had asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes to overturn President Biden’s victory in the state, has described the phone call as “perfect.”

“My phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, with many other people, including numerous lawyers, knowingly on the line, was absolutely PERFECT and appropriate. YES, it was a PERFECT CALL,” he said in a statement emailed late Sunday.

The Fulton County probe comes as the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection is holding ongoing hearings this month about the events that led up to a pro-Trump mob storming the U.S. Capitol.

So far, lawmakers have painted a dark picture of the violent assault on the Capitol and democracy, which they say was led by the former president’s rhetoric that the 2020 election was stolen.

Last week, they began showing evidence that many members of Trump’s inner circle repeatedly told him there was no evidence the election was rife with fraud. They also showed his efforts to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to certify the election results, which Trump knew was illegal because he had been informed so by his advisers.

In Georgia, the investigative panel began hearing from witnesses this month, including Raffensperger. The special grand jury will ultimately recommend whether county prosecutors should prosecute Trump criminally for election interference.

Akerman, whose work probing an illegal break-in at the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters in 1972 substantiated ties to Nixon’s reelection campaign and led to the former president’s resignation, also said on MSNBC the Nixon case occurred in a vastly different political climate than Trump’s.

“All of Nixon’s aides were indicted, they were convicted. The only person who didn’t go to prison was Nixon, because he was pardoned,” Akerman said. “There was accountability in the end.”

Akerman said the “real question” is whether Trump would be held accountable criminally. While Republicans initially defended Nixon, they had a change of heart when recorded tapes and evidence presented a solid case.

He said because Georgia prosecutors have tape-recorded evidence of the phone call between Trump and Raffensperger, they also have an extremely strong case.

Jan. 6 committee is telling a story, but plenty of gaps remain Signs of tension rise between Justice, Jan. 6 panel

“There’s a three-year felony in Georgia that Trump has violated. Prosecutors love tape-recorded evidence, because you can’t cross-examine it,” Akerman explained.

“What’s significant with those tapes is — when you put it into the context of all the evidence the Jan. 6 committee has uncovered, you put that together — Donald Trump has zero defense in Georgia,” he added.

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tl/dr the above 2 posts:

dotard email last night to The Hill:

“My phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, with many other people, including numerous lawyers, knowingly on the line, was absolutely PERFECT and appropriate. YES, it was a PERFECT CALL,” he said in a statement emailed late Sunday.

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On 6/17/2022 at 7:07 PM, RomaVicta said:

Pence did the right thing under a lot of pressure from many directions and including physical risk. Credit where credit is due.

Many of the posts on Pence reflect the binary thinking of all good vs all evil. Pence is not someone I want to know, but he can and should be proud of what he did Nov. 6.

 

“You can always count on Americans (such as Mike Pence) to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”

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20 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

tl/dr the above 2 posts:

dotard email last night to The Hill:

“My phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, with many other people, including numerous lawyers, knowingly on the line, was absolutely PERFECT and appropriate. YES, it was a PERFECT CALL,” he said in a statement emailed late Sunday.

Like someone here said, you know he hung up the phone and one of his advisors said "That was perfect sir". 

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