Active shooter thread

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I’ve said this before but these shooters are America’s modern civil war, the enemy is us and we don’t know what to do with ourselves.   

We blame the guns, the politicians, the media, the Facebook, the NRA but those are all surface scapegoats to distract us from something off running much deeper in our society. 

I don’t know what it is but people in a healthy society shouldn’t have the urge to go kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason on a regular basis and act out on it. 

Edited May 8, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[4th&Five 42027]

You’d think the day they started having active shooter drills for our kindergarteners we’d change something. Nah, t’s & p’s. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Celery Man 21109]

A generation of kids with PTSD. Best country in the world but can’t solve a problem nobody else has. 
 

There are going to be a lot more other people’s troubled kids. We’ll have to comment really hard about mental health.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Stop giving these losers publicity.  Will be more effective than any gun control.    

And maybe it would be wise to educate the kids and the public on the actual stats on their likelihood of getting shot in school.  They’re in far, far more danger commuting to and from school in a bus, car, bike or by foot.  

From media and social media you’d think these shootings were an unprecedented epidemic.  It isn’t.  10-15 kids a year are shot and killed in schools on average.  Out of 55 million.  

Not sure what can be done to drop that number here.  

We’d save a lot more lives from accidental death by adding swim lessons to pre-school. 

I don’t really care if my AR is banned. Or mag capacities are instituted.  I don’t think it will do much.  Just like the last AWB.  

[Helobious 9826]

Regarding feelings about death in general, I think virtually every kid in this country from now on will grow up with a somewhat similar mentality that kids in the hood have towards it. These generations grow up fully aware they could be shot anywhere in public for no reason at all. Regardless of the statistical odds of it, these events are not surprising or shocking anymore. They hear a loud bang at school or the fire alarm go off, you know the first thing their mind is jumping to. Previous generations didn't have that same "first instinct". Many of these kids will experience losing a friend or family member to suicide or drug overdose at a young age as well. That kind of stuff can do unhealthy things to a mind. I really don't know what the societal impact will be.  

[YChang 3577]

Mental health is a huge issue.   There were huge warning signs available for almost all of the school related mass shootings.  There are studies that show that first person shooter games also have an effect on the development of the brain.  These young boys are desensitized to shooting/killing.  
Schools do not have to be armed fortresses, but restricted and controlled access that eliminates the possibility of a shooter gaining access to the students along with deadly consequences of attempting this action will stop it.
Col. Dave Grossman has an excellent seminar on school shootings and a book that is worth the read:  Assassination Generation: Video Games, Aggression and the Psychology of Killing.
I spend quite a bit of time in the security arena and always looking for ways to stop this type of insanity.  
 
 

None of those studies linked a direct cause of violent behavior with violent video games either.

[TexArcher 39080]

21 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

And maybe it would be wise to educate the kids and the public on the actual stats on their likelihood of getting shot in school.  They’re in far, far more danger commuting to and from school in a bus, car, bike or by foot.

What you're saying is equivalent to, "you're more likely to die in the car on the way to the airport than you are during the flight, so why do we need federal aviation regulations?"

And you throw these numbers out as if 10 to 15 dead school children a year is a number we can live with.  It isn't.  If we can cut that number by even ONE with some common sense legislation, then we do that, or we have no business calling ourselves a civilized nation.

[TexArcher 39080]

I seriously can't believe we're even having this conversation.  It's fucking ludicrous and embarrassing.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

What you're saying is equivalent to, "you're more likely to die in the car on the way to the airport than you are during the flight, so why do we need federal aviation regulations?"

And you throw these numbers out as if 10 to 15 dead school children a year is a number we can live with.  It isn't.  If we can cut that number by even ONE with some common sense legislation, then we do that, or we have no business calling ourselves a civilized nation.

What do you suggest then?

[Bullneck 19601]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

elaborate.

As I understand your post, you think a Democratic president would declare a national emergency in order to confiscate guns?  First, let's see if I have interpreted your post correctly.

[Bullneck 19601]

30 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Stop giving these losers publicity.  Will be more effective than any gun control.    

And maybe it would be wise to educate the kids and the public on the actual stats on their likelihood of getting shot in school.  They’re in far, far more danger commuting to and from school in a bus, car, bike or by foot.  

From media and social media you’d think these shootings were an unprecedented epidemic.  It isn’t.  10-15 kids a year are shot and killed in schools on average.  Out of 55 million.  

Not sure what can be done to drop that number here.  

We’d save a lot more lives from accidental death by adding swim lessons to pre-school. 

I don’t really care if my AR is banned. Or mag capacities are instituted.  I don’t think it will do much.  Just like the last AWB.  

A single death is a tragedy.  A million is a statistic.

[Zepol87 9353]

What do you suggest then?

You've heard what he has suggested and ignore it. Why do you keep asking?

[Bullneck 19601]

6 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

What do you suggest then?

It's been suggested many times in this thread.  But, here ya go:

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

 

Or you could take guns (particularly ones made for the military) away from crazy people.  Just a thought.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Bullneck

[henrygandorf 29230]

2 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

As I understand your post, you think a Democratic president would declare a national emergency in order to confiscate guns?  First, let's see if I have interpreted your post correctly.

i don't think one actually would, but something needs to be done, and trump's moves opened the floodgates for all sorts of unprecedented shit.

when he declared a national emergency (when we weren't really experiencing one) some republicans were against it, citing fear that some dem president in the future could declare one over climate change or gun control.

i have a pretty radical view on guns, so i'm not really into participating in a rational discussion about it.

[Bullneck 19601]

[Bullneck 19601]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

i don't think one actually would, but something needs to be done, and trump's moves opened the floodgates for all sorts of unprecedented shit.

when he declared a national emergency (when we weren't really experiencing one) some republicans were against it, citing fear that some dem president in the future could declare one over climate change or gun control.

i have a pretty radical view on guns, so i'm not really into participating in a rational discussion about it.

 

[Junior Miller 1502]

3 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

jesus christ. mom is a fucking champ.

I'm sure there were a few people texting during it but that looks fake as shit. 1) no one in a crisis situation is texting those long sentences and definitely not correcting their spelling. 2) no way someone's mom is reacting to it like they're texting about going to the movies with a panic attack. 

I've been in a couple of crisis situations and no one reacted like that. Everything speeds up and you're processing how to get out to safety while having fight/flight adrenaline dump jitters. You aren't staring down at a phone and pounding out sentences with your fingers like you're in line at the post office. 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Junior Miller

[Junior Miller 1502]

27 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i don't think one actually would, but something needs to be done, and trump's moves opened the floodgates for all sorts of unprecedented shit.

when he declared a national emergency (when we weren't really experiencing one) some republicans were against it, citing fear that some dem president in the future could declare one over climate change or gun control.

i have a pretty radical view on guns, so i'm not really into participating in a rational discussion about it.

Honestly, it would be hilarious if the next time Dems have all 3 under control they just fuckover everything redneck trumpers hold dear. Just declare open season on shit kickers and morons. 

[Junior Miller 1502]

30 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

It's been suggested many times in this thread.  But, here ya go:

 

 

How do you know someone is crazy if they're walking into your shop to buy a gun? The people that deal with them every day may know they're nuts but how would the gov and gun sellers? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Helobious 9826]

1 hour ago, Junior Miller said:

I'm sure there were a few people texting during it but that looks fake as shit. 1) no one in a crisis situation is texting those long sentences and definitely not correcting their spelling. 2) no way someone's mom is reacting to it like they're texting about going to the movies with a panic attack. 

I've been in a couple of crisis situations and no one reacted like that. Everything speeds up and you're processing how to get out to safety while having fight/flight adrenaline dump jitters. You aren't staring down at a phone and pounding out sentences with your fingers like you're in line at the post office. 

Everyone reacts to situations differently. It’s not like the kid was texting from the same room as the gunman, death wasn’t imminent. And I don’t know if you know this, but technology has advanced to a point where you don’t have to actually type out word for word what you’re trying to say.

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve said this before but these shooters are America’s modern civil war, the enemy is us and we don’t know what to do with ourselves.   

We blame the guns, the politicians, the media, the Facebook, the NRA but those are all surface scapegoats to distract us from something off running much deeper in our society. 

I don’t know what it is but people in a healthy society shouldn’t have the urge to go kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason on a regular basis and act out on it. 

Oh...we know what to do.

many won't allow it.

It's a bit uncomfortable and might hurt someone's self esteem.

 

Instead we chase rainbows and lollipops and hammer anyone who holds kids( parents) accountable. Red ink on homework is so much scarier than chalk outlines.

Edited May 9, 2019 by slorch

[Bullneck 19601]

1 hour ago, Junior Miller said:

How do you know someone is crazy if they're walking into your shop to buy a gun? The people that deal with them every day may know they're nuts but how would the gov and gun sellers? 

If they have a documented history of mental illness or violent behavior, that's how.  It's not rocket science. 

Junior, for the record I think you're a troll or a sock.  

1 hour ago, Junior Miller said:

Honestly, it would be hilarious if the next time Dems have all 3 under control they just fuckover everything redneck trumpers hold dear. Just declare open season on shit kickers and morons. 

So just what would we do to "fuck over" and "declare open season" on Trump's base?  

The we have a 2nd Amendment, so law abiding, sane people can keep their hunting and self-defense weapons.  Assault rifles and magazines* get taken away and melted down.  

*I said it.  No more magazines.  From now on, Fuhrer Bullneck decrees that everyone else shoots the way he learned how: Lever action .22, Robstown style.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Bullneck

[Fondren & Main 6905]

1 hour ago, Junior Miller said:

Honestly, it would be hilarious if the next time Dems have all 3 under control they just fuckover everything redneck trumpers hold dear. Just declare open season on shit kickers and morons. 

I wonder what would happen?

[fattyflattie 4640]

3 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I wonder what would happen?

Well you’d have about 5 terms of nothing but GOP starting the cycle after.   Lots of Dems own guns too. People forget that. 

[Fondren & Main 6905]

You can have my AR, but only for a much nicer and much more expensive rifle.  I don’t believe these shooters used AR-style rifles though.  Did they?  Maybe I’m incorrect.  I thought they used handguns.  You can’t have any of mine.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Fondren & Main said:

You can have my AR, but only for a much nicer and much more expensive rifle.  I don’t believe these shooters used AR-style rifles though.  Did they?  Maybe I’m incorrect.  I thought they used handguns.  You can’t have any of mine.

Do you have any glocks or a colt python.357?

[Fondren & Main 6905]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Do you have any glocks or a colt python.357?

No, but I wish I had a python!  That would be awesome.

[Bullneck 19601]

Oh, hai.  I'd like to purchase your machine gunz for peacefule hunting purposes only?

[Hornius Emeritus 12821]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve said this before but these shooters are America’s modern civil war, the enemy is us and we don’t know what to do with ourselves.   

We blame the guns, the politicians, the media, the Facebook, the NRA but those are all surface scapegoats to distract us from something off running much deeper in our society. 

I don’t know what it is but people in a healthy society shouldn’t have the urge to go kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason on a regular basis and act out on it. 

As you may know, I have a Texas history FB page that is extremely popular.   So much of Texas history is the history of violence. I'm inclined to believe that there are probably no more sick people, percentage wise, than there have been in the past and that society is no sicker than it was in the past.  What has changed is that there are so many more of us, we live in ever-increasing population densities, and our weapons have become so much more lethal. Access to extremely lethal weapons + people in densely populated areas + X amount of crazy/disaffected/alienated people = a certain number of mass casualty incidents.  And, unfortunately, the law-abiding feel that they need heavy-duty weapons to defend themselves against the non-law abiding ----- and perhaps justifiably so. 

[WhatTheBuck 28942]

2 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

I don’t believe these shooters used AR-style rifles though.  Did they?

It doesn't sound like it. Too many victims survived their wounds. 

[hayden_horn 11403]

Man, i am headed to bed, but just watched a cnn segment where one of the CO students died charging the shooter, like what happened at uncc. These dudes saved lives. These dudes are martyrs. Their memories will hopefully live forever. 

To be an asshole, i have to ask...what do you think their living peers will think about gun control? Or a whole fuck lot of other issues. 

[henrygandorf 29230]

41 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Man, i am headed to bed, but just watched a cnn segment where one of the CO students died charging the shooter, like what happened at uncc. These dudes saved lives. These dudes are martyrs. Their memories will hopefully live forever. 

To be an asshole, i have to ask...what do you think their living peers will think about gun control? Or a whole fuck lot of other issues. 

at some point, while drunk in college, exchanging holy shit stories, someone will bring this up, who saw it happen live in the same classroom.  "god damn dude" won't quite cover it.

[Bookman 4769]

We've now had 20 years of this. When these kids get in power they're going to do something about it. Right now this country doesn't care enough to act.

[Bruh Man 3160]

4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Sickening. Fuck the NRA.

[bad_teammate 13569]

10 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

I wonder what would happen?

A handful of pathetic jokes of men who think they're tough would try, and fail, at standoffs. 99.9% would give up their guns grumbling and then go on social media to talk tough.

Hopefully a lot of "LOL TRAGIC BOATING ACCIDENT" guys would get raided and go to federal prison.

The vast majority of the country would be happy to see all the pictures of guns being destroyed.

Anti-gun folks would be scouring social media and forums to catch out "TRAGIC BOATING ACCIDENT" types, because guns are toys for men and men cannot help but constantly talk about their favorite toys. They love doxxing fascists and the Venn diagram between enthusiastic gun owners and fascists overlaps quite a bit.

Edited May 9, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Chuckie Finster 23110]

13 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Stop giving these losers publicity.  Will be more effective than any gun control.    

And maybe it would be wise to educate the kids and the public on the actual stats on their likelihood of getting shot in school.  They’re in far, far more danger commuting to and from school in a bus, car, bike or by foot.  

From media and social media you’d think these shootings were an unprecedented epidemic.  It isn’t.  10-15 kids a year are shot and killed in schools on average.  Out of 55 million.  

 Not sure what can be done to drop that number here.  

We’d save a lot more lives from accidental death by adding swim lessons to pre-school. 

I don’t really care if my AR is banned. Or mag capacities are instituted.  I don’t think it will do much.  Just like the last AWB.  

I don't know this kid's name.  I don't know the UNCC shooter or the San Diego shooter or really anyone since Parkland.  The news stations have been doing a better job of focusing on the victims and I entirely agree with this decision, but it's not going to be some silver bullet (no pun intended) that solves this problem.

If 10-15 people died annually from eating a hot dog at sporting events, there would be insane outrage.  Laws would be passed and people would boycott the games and companies would go under.  Nobody would try to normalize it by saying that ACTUALLY it was more dangerous to travel to the game.  There's really nothing we can, or should even attempt to do, because ACTUALLY the vast, vast majority of hot dog eaters were fine. 

These posts trying to normalize the fact that CHILDREN ARE DYING IN FUCKING SCHOOLS EVERY GODDAMN YEAR are a huge part of the problem.  (And I'm not trying to single you out specifically Johnny, I know there are tens of millions of people who say the same things.)

Edited May 9, 2019 by Chuckie Finster

[Guest]

outlaw schools.

[Rougarou 594]

Even if your answer is "homeschool kids" you have to then hope they don't get thrown off the third floor of the mall but some random schizophrenic. It's a nutty world we live in, mang.

[hayden_horn 11403]

13 minutes ago, slorch said:

outlaw schools.

i try not to neg politics board posts, but this one is difficult.

seriously. you are the electorate these kids have to overcome so their kids don't have to live like they have.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i try not to neg politics board posts, but this one is difficult.

seriously. you are the electorate these kids have to overcome so their kids don't have to live like they have.

a shot at others' similar logic bothers you?

Good.  Then you see the folly of gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

 

Instead of having a rational discussion about solutions, it's way more better to go with histrionics.

Edited May 9, 2019 by slorch

[NowThis 931]

21 minutes ago, slorch said:

outlaw schools.

if schools are outlawed, only outlaws will go to school 

[Chuckie Finster 23110]

5 minutes ago, slorch said:

a shot at others' similar logic bothers you?

Good.  Then you see the folly of gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

 

Instead of having a rational discussion about solutions, it's way more better to go with histrionics.

Yes.  "outlaw schools" is the same argument those who want to discuss logical gun restrictions are making.

Texas Tech, indeed.

[fattyflattie 4640]

I haven’t seen any gun owners on this site balk at “logical restrictions”.  Quite the opposite actually.  

See BT’s post above. That’s why gun owners give the other side a big fuck you.  That and many many many people from both sides own, and use firearms for hunting, sport, and protection.  

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Yes.  "outlaw schools" is the same argument those who want to discuss logical gun restrictions are making.

Texas Tech, indeed.

Cowards attack at schools because nobody can shoot back...the solution must be to make our neighborhoods and homes equally vulnerable.  Well, at least some folks see fit to let us have a .22 or Daisy pellet gun to plink the bad guys with. 

How generous of them to acknowledge our rights. 

[hayden_horn 11403]

47 minutes ago, slorch said:

a shot at others' similar logic bothers you?

Good.  Then you see the folly of gun restrictions on law abiding citizens.

 

Instead of having a rational discussion about solutions, it's way more better to go with histrionics.

what histrionics are you seeing on this thread?

people are asking for solutions. your input was "ban schools."

a point was raised earlier in the thread, and apologies for forgetting who made it, but it is this: be a part of the solution or be left out of the discussion.

that means gun owners. i own two guns. i'm not a hunter or a hobbyist, but i believe in gun ownership. i've defended this to UK colleagues who think it is insane that i have a handgun (in a safe) in my home. we are a rebel nation, and our values on gun ownership reflect that, given our 2nd amendment.

however, we have a major problem. is my owning a handgun the answer to that problem? no. do i still want that handgun just in case? yeah. 

but if i want to do that, then i need to be a part of the solution. and that solution is going to be some kind of gun control/restrictions. either come to an agreement with those who have been victimized, or lose the argument altogether.

your post indicates that you don't want to be part of the discussion. it's the parallel to those posters who say "religion of peace" whenever a radical muslim does something terrible. it's indicating total disinterest in actual discussion.

and the kids today, when they grow up, will write you the fuck off, as they should.

[Hank Kingsley 21817]

54 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I haven’t seen any gun owners on this site balk at “logical restrictions”.  Quite the opposite actually.  

 

Yet the Republicans in Congress do nothing about it. The people that you vote for. 

Maybe it's time for Republicans to hold their party accountable?

 

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3875]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

Cowards attack at schools because nobody can shoot back...

Good take.  We've had mass shootings at literal military bases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan

[wildcat09 29601]

It's so hard to choose, but I think gun debate Slorch is the absolute worst Slorch.