Active shooter thread

[Mojo Hand 4580]

 

[retread 2951]

  Thread   https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1158085428488089601

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by retread

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

 

Found this take fitting:

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13588]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Found this take fitting:

 

It's the Trumper Paradox- I want the benefits of racism, racist policies and be able to support racist politicians, but I don't want to be known as a racist.

[Constant 6755]

3 hours ago, retread said:

It's too hard to solve.

He goes on in another tweet to talk about mental health, blah, blah, blah.

If a Muslim had walked into that Walmart with a vest and killed 20 people I don’t think he’d be concerned about his mental health or what video games he was playing. 

[WhatTheBuck 28810]

Holy shit. One of the people killed in Dayton was the shooter's sister. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

The Dayton shooter caused a lockdown when he was in high school by writing a hit list of people he was going to kill:   https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/bellbrook-police-conduct-investigation-home/74z9iRBtYqBqxOQ6kSsdzL/amp.html

Sounds like this guy was a time bomb. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[EMAWesome 101]

And her boyfriend,  from what I've read on the internet (so it has anywhere from zero to a hundred percent chance of being true) those were the first two he killed.

[DixonHur 11395]

53 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

"Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt"-Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals"

You mean like this?

The El Paso Shooter Admits he is a Progressive Leftist

Spoiler

It should come as no surprise that the FakeNews Industrial Complex has already pounced on the latest mass shooting for political purposes. Already there has been a flurry of cries from pundits and presidential candidates alike insisting that this shooting was somehow caused by President Trump and his rhetoric, and that this is allegedly further proof that our President is stoking racial division.

But once again, the media is ignoring an inconvenient little thing called the Truth.

A so-called “manifesto,” which investigators say they are “reasonably confident” was written by the shooter,  is already available online. While the normal course of action would be to completely shun this garbage to avoid giving him attention, his words must be analyzed for the explicit purpose of debunking this fake narrative that this shooting is somehow a Republican problem, or caused by President Trump, or otherwise to be blamed exclusively on the Right.

Of course, the manifesto bleeds with outright racist language as he describes a “Hispanic invasion of Texas,” and a “cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.” However, within the text, the shooter makes several comments that reveal his true political identity.

First, the shooter expresses his disdain for both major parties; he decries the Democrats’ open-borders policies while also declaring that “the Republican Party is also terrible,” since the GOP, he says, is “pro-corporation,” and “pro-corporation = pro-immigration.”

The section of his manifesto entitled “Economic Reasons” is by far the most shocking part, in terms of directly contradicting the media spin that this shooter was somehow far-right. He explicitly expresses his support for “a basic universal income,” which he says is the only thing that can “prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest.” He then goes on to support “ambitious social projects like universal healthcare.” Later, he claims that the American lifestyle “is destroying the environment of our country,” and that “the decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations.”

So clearly this killer supports some of the most openly socialist policies in American political discourse today, including universal income, socialized medicine, and a belief in “global warming.” Yet, according to the media, he is somehow just another “far-right” shooter who has been motivated by President Trump.

Most interestingly, the shooter does mention President Trump…but not in the way the Democrats would hope. Towards the end of his “manifesto,” this Leftist murderer m admits that his “ideology has not changed for several years,” and that his “opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president.”

In the most direct refutation of the inevitable media spin, he even admits that “I’m putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.” In a macabre self-fulfilling prophecy, he then states “The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.”

Despite this preemptive refutation, the media and the Democrats have gone ahead and run with the usual narrative anyway. With Robert Francis O’Rourke openly calling the President a “racist,” and accusing him of “stoking racism in this country,” and Pete Buttigieg declaring that “the President of the United States is condoning white nationalism,” and Socialist Bernie Sanders falsely claiming that there is a “growing culture of bigotry espoused by Trump and his allies,” the Democrats are deliberately lying about where such violence actually comes from. And, of course, multiple Democrats have once again issued calls for more gun control measures.

This is yet another case of the media playing directly into the shooter’s hands, and giving him exactly what he wanted. Just as the shooter in Christchurch, New Zealand named Candace Owens in his manifesto for the sole purpose of inciting her critics into attacking her, so too with this effort to tie the El Paso shooter to President Trump, an equally disingenuous and amoral distortion of the truth for political gain.

The New York Times even deliberately misattributed some of his words to certain causes. As the article says, “The manifesto that may be linked to [him] described an imminent attack and railed against immigrants, saying, ‘if we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can be more sustainable.'” However, that particular line about “getting rid of enough people” was not in reference to immigration; it was in reference to global warming, as he wrote right before that sentence that “the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources.”

As with any mass shooting, the appropriate response should always be thoughts and prayers to the victims, the wounded, and their families. The next response should be to give the shooter the exact opposite of what they really want, which is exposure. As Robert Barnes said on Twitter, the shooter most likely did not really want to spread a political message, so much as he wanted to “use the pretext of a political message to make himself infamous.” Thus, the best thing to do is avoid using his name, and simply see him fade away into obscurity after he faces the appropriate punishment for his horrific crimes. Hopefully execution.

Again, the only reason that we even need to actually read  the killer’s “manifesto” in the first place is to confirm the truth about why he did what he did, and to dispel the utter fiction that the media began spinning almost instantly after the shooting took place. Their determination to promote a one-sided narrative, which runs directly contrary to the truth and the facts, is playing into his hands and fulfilling his sick predictions. That is the Truth, and the Truth is what matters above all else.

 

[retread 2951]

13 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

It's the Trumper Paradox- I want the benefits of racism, racist policies and be able to support racist politicians, but I don't want to be known as a racist.

Like Cheeto calling Cummings a racist b/c Cummings rightly called Cheeto a racist. What a world.

[Francisco 2.0 32432]

9 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Holy shit. One of the people killed in Dayton was the shooter's sister. 

Yep.  Wonder if he knew she was there, or she was there with someone he did not approve of, etc.

 

 

[Pancho 45072]

 

[retread 2951]

Weird. Seems like decrying race-based violence would be one of the most basic public appearances that you could ever make.

[scottsins 1975]

Lol at the Chief of Staff saying "this guy was a white supremacist before Trump so how can you blame it on Trump?" As if you can't inspire a person that is already crazy.

That and it ignores the whole “racists love trump” concept that is, in and of itself, telling.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

18 minutes ago, retread said:

Weird. Seems like decrying race-based violence would be one of the most basic public appearances that you could ever make.

But that would be both admitting it was race based violence, and having to deny your party was responsible for it.  You’re expecting too much from cowards.  

[WhatTheBuck 28810]

2 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

Lol at the Chief of Staff saying "this guy was a white supremacist before Trump so how can you blame it on Trump?" As if you can't inspire a person that is already crazy.

Trump was an outspoken racist piece of shit taking out ads in the newspaper calling for the execution of innocent young black men long before that shooter was even born. Fuck you, Mulvaney, you sniveling, corrupt little worm. 

[retread 2951]

2 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

But that would be both admitting it was race based violence, and having to deny your party was responsible for it.  You’re expecting too much from cowards.  

The worst part is that they can hide behind their secretaries/chiefs of staff and not say anything and the 40% won't bat an eye.

[WhatTheBuck 28810]

33 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Yep.  Wonder if he knew she was there, or she was there with someone he did not approve of, etc.

I can't help but wonder if her boyfriend was black. 

[Message Board User 12396]

 

[David Dennison 18951]

6 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

The media needs to be relentless with these questions.

Keep tying this administration to mass murder. 

Donald Trump and all of those giving him comfort are complicit.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The media needs to be relentless with these questions.

Keep tying this administration to mass murder. 

Donald Trump and all of those giving him comfort are complicit.

Absolutely.  They need to continually ask variations of “How does it feel to be an inspiration to hate crimes and terroristic acts against American citizens?”

[Aqua Buddha 14624]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Found this take fitting:

 

Noticed that, too.  In the manifesto, he parrots Trump's talking points but then blames Democrats and Republicans.  Also refers to the "Democrat" party.  The whole thing is a Fox talking point.

[Bama Chick 28596]

[Biff Tannen 45750]

Reporting that the Dayton shooter had a 100 round mag.  Seems like a bit overkill if your only goal is to kill your sister and her boyfriend.  Not that that makes it any better.

[SmokeyTheBear 5568]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Reporting that the Dayton shooter had a 100 round mag.  Seems like a bit overkill if your only goal is to kill your sister and her boyfriend.  Not that that makes it any better.

For those duck hunters out there

[David Dennison 18951]

2 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

For those duck hunters out there

That's for when you're taking on fully strapped white tail deer. Those fuckers are everywhere in the hill country so you better come prepared.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Reporting that the Dayton shooter had a 100 round mag.  Seems like a bit overkill if your only goal is to kill your sister and her boyfriend.  Not that that makes it any better.

Those things are terrible, they always jam.  That’s probably where he went wrong, luckily.

[Fudge Nuggets 19228]

5 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

At what point does George Conway admit publicly that he is married to pure evil?

Are needs to slap that woman of his around a bit.

[Fudge Nuggets 19228]

5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I'm sure none of this anti-Hispanic rhetoric is being absorbed by the Hispanic voting demographic.   They will be rock ribbed GOP voters for life.  Just ask any old white man who is sure of his political ideology.    GREAT idea, really.   No way this sets the narrative for  a generation of Democratic registrations to come.  

It’s cute that you think the GOP will let brown people vote.

[Homercles 10206]

6 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

The thing is, there is no “intellectual” involved. You want to see how hopeless it truly is?  Go read this thread, or as much as you can stomach anyway.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3049247

These people are like attack dogs.  They’ve been trained, groomed and brainwashed by the right wing hate engine to see everything different from them as the enemy.  All the master has to do is dog whisper “sic’em” and there you go.

Jesus I wish I hadn’t clicked that link.  The few voices providing straight up, unarguable points such as this:

AggieZ2006 said:

Disgusting? Disgusting is the white nationalist that drove from Allen to El Paso to kill Americans who don't meet Trump's view of Americans. 

God bless y'all.

 

Gets this response:

This post is pathetic

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19228]

4 hours ago, NowThis said:

no shit, deleting makes him even more guilty. Every single Trump tweet, even pre 2016, has been captured.  lol at the dumbassery. 

If those are official Presidential communications, isn’t it illegal to delete them?  Not that rule of law ever got in dotard’s way.

[scottsins 1975]

dirt poor people can't afford certain types of guns right?  It's like cigarettes tax, only the wealthy can smoke.  Besides, guns are quite expensive already, why not raise the price point?

Look man, I’m on “your side”, but you can’t use a heavy tax to make an end run around the Constitution. “Poll tax out front should have told ya.”

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If those are official Presidential communications, isn’t it illegal to delete them?  Not that rule of law ever got in dotard’s way.

He deletes tweets all the time.  They’re archived, even the deleted ones.  They can all be looked up. 

[Francisco 2.0 32432]

Shit, I missed where Dan Patrick dusted off that old GOP standard,  the lack of prayer in schools:

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45750]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Shit, I missed where Dan Patrick dusted off that old GOP standard,  the lack of prayer in schools:

 

 

That's like propaganda 101

[NowThis 931]

4 minutes ago, scottsins said:

 

Look man, I’m on “your side”, but you can’t use a heavy tax to make an end run around the Constitution. “Poll tax out front should have told ya.”

 

voting is a right, gun ownership is something that the government can regulate but not prohibit. So in terms of regulation, increasing the price point will reduce the disease. Just like cigarette and other 'sin' taxes, this should be included. 

[NowThis 931]

got a Devil's Advocate question-- a FB friend posted that Chicago had 9 deaths and 73 shot over the weekend, so why is that not getting this kind of media? So, what's the answer? 

[Fudge Nuggets 19228]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Kasich is awful.  I used to like him a lot

You know how to pick ‘em.

[scottsins 1975]

got a Devil's Advocate question-- a FB friend posted that Chicago had 9 deaths and 73 shot over the weekend, so why is that not getting this kind of media? So, what's the answer? 

The answer is that your FB friend is a dumb motherfucker.

[NowThis 931]

Just now, scottsins said:

 

The answer is that your FB friend is a dumb motherfucker.

 

i've know him since middle school, he's fun to mess with, really conservative.  So anyway, what's a good answer? Chicago is f'n west beirut in the 80s right? Why doesn't that get attention. 

[Francisco 2.0 32432]

https://splinternews.com/who-said-it-the-el-paso-shooter-or-fox-news-1836951059

 

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When a white supremacist manifesto allegedly posted by the El Paso shooting suspect first began making the rounds on Saturday night, it was hard not to feel a sense of familiarity.

From a New York Times summary of the manifesto (emphasis mine):

It spoke of a “Hispanic invasion of Texas.” It detailed a plan to separate America into territories by race. It warned that white people were being replaced by foreigners.

 

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Hey, where have I heard that kind of violent extremist talk before? Oh, that’s right: on Fox News, constantly.

A tiny, tiny sample follows. See if you can spot the pattern (emphasis mine throughout):

 

Spoiler

Tucker Carlson, 7/9/19: 

This cannot continue. It’s not sustainable. No country can import large numbers of people who hate it and survive. The Romans were the last to try that, with predictable results.

Laura Ingraham, 6/18/19 podcast:

No longer can they claim to be for border enforcement, or “Oh yeah, we’re for enforcing the border, oh yeah, we’re for—we’re for keeping the country safe. And oh yeah, we’re not for illegal immigration, we’re for legal immigration”— that’s what they used to say That’s what the Obama folks and the Clinton folks used to say, but no longer. No, you’re for replacing the current American population, or swamping the current American population, with a new population of people who are perhaps more hospitable to socialist ideals.

Tucker Carlson, 5/21/19: 

The American piñata has been getting pummeled for decades and now it has finally come apart. Our national wealth is up for grabs by whomever gets here first, and they are coming. Over just the past year, 1% of the entire population of the nation of Guatemala has moved to the United States. A Wall Street Journal piece last month described the plight of that country’s villages. Some of them are literally depopulating as people stream north to America’s generous welfare state. Meanwhile a new study from the Federation for Immigration Reform, FAIR, given exclusively to this show, shows the scale on which the United States is being plundered.

Tucker Carlson, 12/13/18:

Our leaders demand that you shut up and accept this. We have a moral obligation to admit the world’s poor, they tell us, even if it makes our own country poorer, and dirtier, and more divided. Immigration is a form of atonement.

Fox & Friends, 11/2/18:

When you see a lot of young men carrying the flag of their country to your country to break your laws, it looks a lot more like an invasion than anything else.

Laura Ingraham, 8/7/18:

In some parts of the country, it does seem like the America that we know and love doesn’t exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don’t like.

I could go on. This is not some fringe ideology confined to the dark corners of the web. It’s being peddled constantly by some of our highest-profile media figures—oh, and by the president of the United States.

 

[scottsins 1975]

voting is a right, gun ownership is something that the government can regulate but not prohibit. So in terms of regulation, increasing the price point will reduce the disease. Just like cigarette and other 'sin' taxes, this should be included. 

Basically all rights can be regulated but not prohibited, so that’s not a distinction. I’m bailing on this now though before I end up getting a bunch of green rep from posters I generally loathe.

[scottsins 1975]

i've know him since middle school, he's fun to mess with, really conservative.  So anyway, what's a good answer? Chicago is f'n west beirut in the 80s right? Why doesn't that get attention. 

I mean, first of all, Chicago’s murder rate, per capita, in 2018 ranked 25th.

Also, I don’t believe that the killers in Chicago recently left racist, xenophobic manifestos which mirrored the rhetoric of a significant political faction of the country.

There was a drive by in Cedar Park last night, yet NOTHING on CNN...no shit.

[NowThis 931]

2 minutes ago, scottsins said:

 

Basically all rights can be regulated but not prohibited, so that’s not a distinction. I’m bailing on this now though before I end up getting a bunch of green rep from posters I generally loathe.

 

meaning guns can be taxed just like cigs, alcohol, gasoline, anything - even if the tax rate is much higher than the typical 8.25%.  Then as we have property tax and some states even tax auto ownership, we can tax gun ownership. Easy. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19228]

27 minutes ago, scottsins said:

 

Look man, I’m on “your side”, but you can’t use a heavy tax to make an end run around the Constitution. “Poll tax out front should have told ya.”

 

We can make each bullet / shell cost $5,000.

[Biff Tannen 45750]

1 hour ago, NowThis said:

i've know him since middle school, he's fun to mess with, really conservative.  So anyway, what's a good answer? Chicago is f'n west beirut in the 80s right? Why doesn't that get attention. 

There's a massive difference, in my mind, between homicides in a local community born of infighting, gangs, whatever, vs hate crimes. 

[Biff Tannen 45750]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

We can make each bullet / shell cost $5,000.

Eddie Izzard had this answer in the late 90s. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

31 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You know how to pick ‘em.

It’s crazy now that I think about it.  It was a completely different time for me back in 2016.  I was under the illusion there were some good republicans.  Kasich was the best among the field for the GOP nominee.  

After Trump got elected my hope was for the “good” republicans to step up and prevent Trump from completely subverting the conservative movement.  I had misplaced faith guys like Flake, Kasich, and Sasse would seize their moments to demonstrate some real political courage and leadership.  Is that so wrong?  To hope our elected leaders weren’t as bad as they were made out to be?  At least I bailed on them when they demonstrated irredeemable capitulation to cowardice.  

I still hope there’s a viable post-Trump conservative movement once this iteration of the GOP is annihilated.  A movement that has principles not beholden to dirty money or religious charlatans.  However, I fear I will not see such a movement in my lifetime.   The foundations of the right have been too corrupted. 

Right now, one thing is more clear than ever:  our entire system needs massive reform and we’re going to need strong leadership with unwavering moral clarity to get there.   It’s a long shot at this point but not an impossibility. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Message Board User 12396]

 

[David Dennison 18951]

Radical white terror should be on the lips of every single Democrat running for president from here on out.