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People need to imagine the shooter as an instrument of warfare exploited by the white supremacy movement.  

Yeah, he’s a fucked up angry little white dude with lots of problems.  The white supremacy movement targets these vulnerable people online and pushes their rage in a funnel of hate to manifest in the real world violently.  This is how active measures works.   This is also how ISIS works. 

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

People need to imagine the shooter as an instrument of warfare exploited by the white supremacy movement.  

Yeah, he’s a fucked up angry little white dude with lots of problems.  The white supremacy movement targets these vulnerable people online and pushes their rage in a funnel of hate to manifest in the real world violently.  This is how active measures works.   This is also how ISIS works. 

so like any cult. 

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39 minutes ago, Axiom of Choice said:

This kid checked off all the normal criteria:  poor relationship with parents, dad was a drug addict, isolated, inspired by other mass murderers, found a group of people online who idolized mass murderers, and wanted the fame and celebrity status that he could never obtain otherwise. 

I normally fall on the side of unrestricted free speech and I'm typically very wary of any proposed restrictions, but those 8chan nutcases need to be restricted.  Those comments given in this article are atrocious.  In my opinion, they are equivalent to shouting "fire" in a movie theater.  

8chan is fucking nuts, but I'd strongly oppose this.

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3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

It's unreal, isn't it? The fantasy world these people live in that they can imagine that when thinking about this fat lazy fuck. 

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What's even more rich is all the Republicans who focused endlessly on Obama's golf, and inferred laziness.  Trump has spent more in 30 months on travel mostly playing golf, than Obama did in 8 fucking years.  But one has a different skin tone?  Or Republican's hate skinny people? IDK...

I guess the man has absolutely no muscle mass, because if that's 6'3" and only 243, he's also a marathon runner with the speed of former speaker Paul Ryan... 😉

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10 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

so like any cult. 

Yes and no.  Most cults are organized for the sole benefit of a leader and not a greater cause or ideology.  Movements like ISIS and White Supremacy are organized to shape the world in certain way that go beyond the material benefits of a leader.  

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6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yes and no.  Most cults are organized for the sole benefit of a leader and not a greater cause or ideology.  Movements like ISIS and White Supremacy are organized to shape the world in certain way that go beyond the material benefits of a leader.  

Yes and no. ISIS definitely benefited quite a few people directly. I Think you can say the same about this movement. Just look at all the scammers out there trying to set up go fund me sites, etc. 

Fuck all cults. 

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16 minutes ago, Axiom of Choice said:

Up until recently, I would have opposed as well.  But idolization and worship of mass murderers, referring to them as saints and martyrs, praising them for their "high scores" (kill counts), saying we need to achieve at least one shooting a week?  This is definitely a significant motivating factor in these events.  We don't allow child pornography; why should we allow this type of content?

Because identifying actionable speech and associated harms not a power I trust other people with, elected or otherwise.

sarc/ I only put up with Hayden because I haven't found out where he lives yet. /sarc

Imagine all the bullshit surrounding Twitter and Youtube, but nows it's the Federal Panel for Harmful Communications.

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8 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Because identifying actionable speech and associated harms not a power I trust other people with, elected or otherwise.

sarc/ I only put up with Hayden because I haven't found out where he lives yet. /sarc

Imagine all the bullshit surrounding Twitter and Youtube, but nows it's the Federal Panel for Harmful Communications.

What standard would you accept when regulating speech?

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43 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yes and no. ISIS definitely benefited quite a few people directly. I Think you can say the same about this movement. Just look at all the scammers out there trying to set up go fund me sites, etc. 

Fuck all cults. 

The point was most cults die when the leader dies.  Movements like ISIS and White Supremacy do not. 

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24 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What standard would you accept when regulating speech?

Direct and immediate calls to unlawful action:

I.E.: "Punch that man right there."  But not "Punch that man next time you see him." or "I wish someone would punch that man." Or "I'm glad someone punched that man."

Knowingly causing the same as well - yelling fire/rape/etc to create a disturbance or get someone hurt.

As well as publishing a crime when the crime was commited for that purpose. Knock-out videos, various forms of pornography, etc.

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The point was most cults die when the leader dies.  Movements like ISIS and White Supremacy do not. 

Agree, except ISIS had a chain of command and White Supremacy could be seen as an ideology. There will always be some ass wipe willing to run with it. 

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The number of examples of humans acting like assholes in groups far outweighs the number of examples of humans acting beneficially in groups by a magnitude.  

We didn't invent the agricultural revolution, and the printing press, and the industrial revolution, and so many other advancements for shits n' giggles.  We did it so we could get the fuck away from one another and just be left alone.  Cults, ideologies, movements, economic doctrines, styles of governance, religions.  All of them, corrupted.

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4 hours ago, JBJ said:

8chan is fucking nuts, but I'd strongly oppose this.

It's like being opposed to Napster.  Yeah, they were facilitating theft of IP.  The horse was already out of the barn.  If anybody thinks it's going to be possible to keep white supremacists, pedophiles, whatever from communicating "in secret" online they're nuts.

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5 minutes ago, Axiom of Choice said:

Maybe I missed your point.  Feel free to elaborate if you like.  

Well, for starters, I think it's impractical to think that law enforcement can stay abreast of the darkest corners of the web.

Beyond that, I think that it's unconstitutional to limit those forums.  Sure, I get the "fire" analogy, but it doesn't apply.  I don't think they're inciting panic in an immediate sense.

Best case, I think the government should monitor those individuals.  (How they doxx them is another question, and one I haven't thought through.)

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, for starters, I think it's impractical to think that law enforcement can stay abreast of the darkest corners of the web.

Beyond that, I think that it's unconstitutional to limit those forums.  Sure, I get the "fire" analogy, but it doesn't apply.  I don't think they're inciting panic in an immediate sense.

Best case, I think the government should monitor those individuals.  (How they doxx them is another question, and one I haven't thought through.)

This is why antifa exists.  Law enforcement is not capable of handling this problem. 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

I hope people do not forget or discount the seriousness of Climo, along with Cesar Sayoc of Miami and Brian Clyde of Dallas, and whoever else out there.

Hard right wing / alt-right devotees who felt empowered by this administration to commit mass murder.   Luckily, they were taken down right before they were able to kill the many people they had planned to.

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I hope people do not forget or discount the seriousness of Climo, along with Cesar Sayoc of Miami and Brian Clyde of Dallas, and whoever else out there.

Hard right wing / alt-right devotees who felt empowered by this administration to commit mass murder.   Luckily, they were taken down right before they were able to kill the many people they had planned to.

Had that same thought

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Interesting.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/8chan-users-migrating-to-zeronet-are-accidentally-revealing-their-locations

The Daily Beast captured 819 IP addresses for 08chan users connecting from 62 different countries. Most users in our sample, 437 of them, are in the U.S., with Canada (46 users), and the U.K. (37), a distant second and third place. Ordered by states, California, Texas, Washington, and Florida top the list.

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@1:17 - He sells his patrolling with this gem:  "I'll pretty much, ah, stay within Constitutional bounds when I'm doing this." 

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"Pretty much"?  He set a very low bar as his standard, and STILL couldn't stay above it... 

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7 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Imagine a black dude, acting like that walking around Highland Park.  I’m sure the reaction would be the same.

but racism is a hoax according to Tucker and Tucker super fan @Iconoclast Texan

They of course would flip out.  Now you want to take it up a notch, walk someone of Arabic or Middle Eastern descent through those streets and they lose their mind.  And I would bet there is a greater than zero chance he is confronted and possibly shot down in the street by a good upstanding "concerned citizen" before law enforcement is called.   

Also, this dipshit isn't just walking open carry with a rifle on his back and a 380 on his side, he's carrying his military style weapon through quiet open streets at the READY, as if he were patrolling the streets of Fallujah.    

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A whole nation worries: how will we keep Wayne LaPierre safe?

 

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The longtime head of the National Rifle Association, it turns out, is worried sick about his personal safety in this gun culture.

After the Sandy Hook massacre in 2012, he and his wife bravely waited out the uproar on the pink-sand beaches of the Bahamas, part of $542,000 in private jet trips and personal items the NRA bought for him. And now, thanks to some delightful reporting by my Post colleagues Carol D. Leonnig and Beth Reinhard, we know that last year’s Parkland massacre left LaPierre so fearful for his personal safety that he tried to have the NRA buy him a $6 million French-chateau-style mansion with nine bathrooms in a gated Dallas-area golf course community.

He told associates he was worried about his safety and thought his Virginia home was too easy for potential attackers to find.

Ultimately, the financially stressed NRA didn’t buy LaPierre the mansion. That’s too bad, because, as the saying goes: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a French chateau.”

 


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-worried-nation-wonders-how-can-we-keep-wayne-lapierre-safe/2019/08/09/3ea6e598-bab5-11e9-bad6-609f75bfd97f_story.html




It does beg the question, though: if the head of the National Rifle Association, with all of his guns, doesn't feel that those guns offer protection, then why should anybody believe the argument that the NRA makes that guns offer protection?
 

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11 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

White supremacy is "actually not a real problem in America."  White supremacy is "a hoax" and "a conspiracy theory used to divide the country"

- 2019 Republican Party Platform

White supremacy isn't the problem...the problem is there are black and brown people living in America. - Trumpkin

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