Active shooter thread

[hpslugga 4062]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's the Republican version of the DT threads.  Safe spaces for cunts who are okay with kids getting murdered. 

I mean when you have a position that’s both untenable and indefensible, and you (at least to some extent) are aware that it’s untenable and indefensible, the fuck are you gonna do? Agree to a fucking debate? Hell no, and you’re especially not gonna do it in an emotionally charged climate where people are even more against you than they already were…oh and don’t forget all those fence sitters that stopped sitting and went to the other side.

The “let’s not politicize this thing right now” crowd is the heel wrestler getting down on his knees with his hands together pleading the babyface doesn’t pound him any further. It’s pathetic.

[faps 806]

So out pay the NRA when donating to the GOP senators then. If money is the only thing that motivates them, aside from staying in office. 

[Blotto 23560]

2 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Can someone explain to me the “let’s not politicize this tragedy right now” bullshit? It seems that’s the circle the wagons line that gets brought out over and over.
If not now, when?

I dont agree with it, but what is there to explain? The GOP wants to rebuff every instance of meaningful gun control legislation, every time, full stop. They know that the attention span of the american public is short, and everyone will be preoccupied with other shit in a few weeks. The "let’s not politicize this tragedy right now” bullshit gets trotted out every time, because it serves the purpose. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Orlando Nightclub, Las Vegas, etc... Not a goddamn thing has changed, and nothing will change. 

The GOP recognizes that there is a large contingent of small dicked Neanderthals in this country that will vote purely on this issue. They know that as long as they oppose any and all gun control legislation, they can count on that voting block no matter whatever other legislation they want to pursue. Do you think that fat  pussy Cruz really cares about guns. Fuck no, but he cares about himself, and he cares about power. So machine gun bacon is whats for breakfast. 

[B00M 6423]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Yall I hate the NRA as much as the next guy, but some of that is getting close to terrorism rhetoric lol. Dial the surly back before you end up on some watchlist lol.

I mean the solution is always more violence, right? 

So looking at constraints:

If we can't raise the age of semi-auto possession from 18 to 21 for males (9th circuit noped)

If we can't take all the guns (Half a billion or more guns and at least 100M owners. Even if all the laws were passed, and we some how strip people of the knowledge or means to build 100 year old technology, collection would take decades and the violence would escalate)

If we can't address mental health issues (stigma, lack of funding, parental refusal to acknowledge, etc)

If we can't pass a law banning the publishing of the shooter's name (1st amendment I'm sure)

The only remotely feasible option I'm seeing is federal funding to harden schools. I know we've reached this conclusion before and people hate it too. But what alternative is there? 

I do think @burntorangebongoshad an interesting thought... Hold the families responsible for failing to address mental health issues. The details of that are messy but at least it might be constitutional..?

[lemonlime 5503]

[TXSG8R 3362]

7 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

I mean when you have a position that’s both untenable and indefensible, and you (at least to some extent) are aware that it’s untenable and indefensible, the fuck are you gonna do? Agree to a fucking debate? Hell no, and you’re especially not gonna do it in an emotionally charged climate where people are even more against you than they already were…oh and don’t forget all those fence sitters that stopped sitting and went to the other side.

The “let’s not politicize this thing right now” crowd is the heel wrestler getting down on his knees with his hands together pleading the babyface doesn’t pound him any further. It’s pathetic.

They are counting on the public’s squirrel level attention span to move on to the next shiny object in the news cycle and avoid having to deal with the emotional attachment to the horror. It also gives them to get their messaging synchronized and sprinkle some conspiracy shit into the ether to muddy up the waters enough to make the debate around the tragedy bigger than the actual tragedy. 

[HenryJames 66133]

 

[HenryJames 66133]

 

[TXSooner518 2438]

I mean when you have a position that’s both untenable and indefensible, and you (at least to some extent) are aware that it’s untenable and indefensible, the fuck are you gonna do? Agree to a fucking debate? Hell no, and you’re especially not gonna do it in an emotionally charged climate where people are even more against you than they already were…oh and don’t forget all those fence sitters that stopped sitting and went to the other side.
The “let’s not politicize this thing right now” crowd is the heel wrestler getting down on his knees with his hands together pleading the babyface doesn’t pound him any further. It’s pathetic.

And inevitably Ricky Steamboat gets hit in the nuts again and again.

[Michael Knight 12989]

 

[Hookah Horns 3083]

13 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Tucker can't believe we are politicizing things so quickly after a tragedy.  You know, because these prayers are working so well.  God, I'd kill to run into that fuckstain in a bait and tackle shop.  Would be well worth doing some time to kick the living shit out of his tiny nuts.  

If I ever have nothing to lose, I will solve this country's Tucker problem. 

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

Schumer killing it on the Senate floor. (Again, pun intended.)

[Dahobbs 17625]

30 minutes ago, Caponata said:

I'm seeing Twitter threads arguing if he is white-Hispanic or not. Not that a psychopath with easy access to guns just murdered a bunch of fucking children. This country is fucked. 

Stop voting for Republicans then and change it. 

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

3 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

If I ever have nothing to lose, I will solve this country's Tucker problem. 

I’ll perjure myself and swear that you were with me the whole time. 

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

 

 

 

 

 

[lemonlime 5503]

6 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

 

This should be the only response to these vampires.

[The Royal We 3072]

I'm feeling pretty despondent today.  Every time we have a school shooting it's like watching the same fucking terrible movie all over again on this site and social media in general.  You have a lot of upset people begging our horseshit "leadership" to do something, anything that would attempt to decrease the frequency of these events.  Then you have the "it's a magazine, not a clip" crowd show up with their "we've tried absolutely nothing and we're all out of ideas" BS.  Then the country sees something else shiny and moves on after a few weeks. 

Gun culture in this country (along with a pile of other BS) makes me not want to live here any longer.  I don't know how we put the pig back in the proverbial pen WRT to our country's sick fascination with guns.  Living in a small town in East Texas you see it everywhere - bumper stickers, shirts, hats, etc. - people advertising their idolization of guns.  You see it on literal signs in people's yards - God, Guns and Trump 2024.

The proposed solutions from the leaders in this state are never Less Guns, it's always MOAR Guns.  These days even gun safety is seen as an attack on the right to own weapons of war.  My wife led a local chapter of Moms Demand Action after the school shooting in Florida.  She built a pretty active group in our town, had buy in/support from some of the local churches, and had a few well attended events every year.  She had to stop doing it because she was getting threats from loonies on FB.  Moms Demand Action isn't trying to take away guns - she would give away free handgun locks and whatnot at their events and their main goal is gun safety.  That warranted threats from some assbags who probably have punisher stickers with ARs in a cross behind them on their trucks.  How do we as a country turn that around?  I don't think we can.

I'm a gun owner.  I've been shooting guns since my grandfather gave me a single shot .410 and an old Winchester pump .22 when I was probably 8 years old.  I don't hate ARs, I've been pig hunting with them and I know it's a better functional option than the bolt action rifles that I own.  But, they absolutely need to be harder to get.  Period.  I have to have a license to sell insurance, to drive a car, to go fishing, to go hunting, etc. etc.  But I don't need shit to go buy any gun I want and carry it wherever I want in this state any longer.  How fucked is that?     

[Red Five 40874]

I see they have settled on "horrified and heartbroken" now that "thoughts and prayers" is just a joke. 

[wildcat09 29355]

Obviously the policy solution is to give those brave heroes who stood outside while kids and teachers were being massacred even more money and equipment, and to fund it by slashing teacher salaries while telling them they need to be willing to sacrifice their lives to protect children. 

[cabowabo 4492]

I am a gun nut myself, but we can't have pimple faced Call of Duty loving 18 year old losers buying AR15's. Hell, they can't buy pistols until 21. Bump the damn age up to 25 as a start. I'm also ok with requiring background checks on private sales. I would require one if I ever decided to sell a gun, which I don't do.

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

3 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

I am a gun nut myself, but we can't have pimple faced Call of Duty loving 18 year old losers buying AR15's. Hell, they can't buy pistols until 21. Bump the damn age up to 25 as a start. I'm also ok with requiring background checks on private sales. I would require one if I ever decided to sell a gun, which I don't do.

If you vote Republican then everything you just said is a lie. 

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

Mitch McConnell preaching hypocrisy now.

[TXSG8R 3362]

13 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

I'm feeling pretty despondent today.  Every time we have a school shooting it's like watching the same fucking terrible movie all over again on this site and social media in general.  You have a lot of upset people begging our horseshit "leadership" to do something, anything that would attempt to decrease the frequency of these events.  Then you have the "it's a magazine, not a clip" crowd show up with their "we've tried absolutely nothing and we're all out of ideas" BS.  Then the country sees something else shiny and moves on after a few weeks. 

Gun culture in this country (along with a pile of other BS) makes me not want to live here any longer.  I don't know how we put the pig back in the proverbial pen WRT to our country's sick fascination with guns.  Living in a small town in East Texas you see it everywhere - bumper stickers, shirts, hats, etc. - people advertising their idolization of guns.  You see it on literal signs in people's yards - God, Guns and Trump 2024.

The proposed solutions from the leaders in this state are never Less Guns, it's always MOAR Guns.  These days even gun safety is seen as an attack on the right to own weapons of war.  My wife led a local chapter of Moms Demand Action after the school shooting in Florida.  She built a pretty active group in our town, had buy in/support from some of the local churches, and had a few well attended events every year.  She had to stop doing it because she was getting threats from loonies on FB.  Moms Demand Action isn't trying to take away guns - she would give away free handgun locks and whatnot at their events and their main goal is gun safety.  That warranted threats from some assbags who probably have punisher stickers with ARs in a cross behind them on their trucks.  How do we as a country turn that around?  I don't think we can.

I'm a gun owner.  I've been shooting guns since my grandfather gave me a single shot .410 and an old Winchester pump .22 when I was probably 8 years old.  I don't hate ARs, I've been pig hunting with them and I know it's a better functional option than the bolt action rifles that I own.  But, they absolutely need to be harder to get.  Period.  I have to have a license to sell insurance, to drive a car, to go fishing, to go hunting, etc. etc.  But I don't need shit to go buy any gun I want and carry it wherever I want in this state any longer.  How fucked is that?     

We don’t let people under 25 rent a fucking car, but you can buy gun(s!) at 18.  We limit how much Sudafed you can buy, but not bullets or magazines. And before too long we will probably be tracking women’s pregnancy status and travel, but can’t be bothered to track the purchase of guns. The answer is turbo fucked. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

The misogyny is always in there with these murderers.

[The Royal We 3072]

5 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

I am a gun nut myself, but we can't have pimple faced Call of Duty loving 18 year old losers buying AR15's. Hell, they can't buy pistols until 21. Bump the damn age up to 25 as a start. I'm also ok with requiring background checks on private sales. I would require one if I ever decided to sell a gun, which I don't do.

We need more of this and I appreciate you saying it, but until you start demanding this from the people you vote for then fuckall is going to change.  You realize this, right?

[TXSG8R 3362]

11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Obviously the policy solution is to give those brave heroes who stood outside while kids and teachers were being massacred even more money and equipment, and to fund it by slashing teacher salaries while telling them they need to be willing to sacrifice their lives to protect children. 

I recognize you’re posting sarcasm, but someone will be serious about that. I think it was posted earlier, but the Uvalde PD is already something like 40% of the city’s budget. You could triple it and you still couldn’t cover every soft target. Target hardening is absolutely bullshit deflection. 

[Pancho 44860]

Clear Creak ISD under lockdown, per Houston Chron…

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

When someone uses the term, Judeo-Christian, you already know 99% of their overall thoughts on life.

[hpslugga 4062]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When someone uses the term, Judeo-Christian, you already know 99% of their overall thoughts on life.

And you also know 100% their overall thoughts on honesty and loyalty to facts.

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When someone uses the term, Judeo-Christian, you already know 99% of their overall thoughts on life.

And that they’re critically undereducated.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Don't really know this dude, but I like his thoughts on the matter.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ruben-gallego-rips-nra-and-gop-after-school-slaughter-fuck-you-ted-cruz-and-fuck-your-prayers?ref=home

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Slaughter: ‘Fuck You Ted Cruz’ and ‘Fuck Your Prayers’

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) lashed out at the gun lobby and the politicians who enable it on Tuesday following the massacre at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. In a series of tweets, the Marine Corps combat veteran wrote “fuck you @NRA” before replying to Sen. Ted Cruz’s claim that “Inevitably when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens,” by telling the Texas Republican, “Fuck you @tedcruz you care about a fetus but you will let our children get slaughtered. Just get your ass to Cancun. You are useless.” Gallego added in a second tweet, “Just to be clear fuck you @tedcruz you fucking baby killer.” Finally, he responded to GOP Rep. Darrell Issa’s offer of “thoughts and prayers” with “Fuck your prayers. They haven’t worked for the last 20 mass shootings how about passing laws that will stop these killings.”

 

 

[Keef 771]

Damn those pictures of the kids are tough to see.  I have one and my life would be in absolute shambles if anything ever happened to her.  

[Biff Tannen 45692]

2 minutes ago, Keef said:

Damn those pictures of the kids are tough to see.  I have one and my life would be in absolute shambles if anything ever happened to her.  

I don't have any kids, nor will I ever, and this shit is fucking awful.  The blatant disregard for the existence of other human beings in this world is at the heart of all of this.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Also, front page of the Onion right now is in its own way impactful.  Multiple columns and locations with their "No way to Prevent this" meme.

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

 

[horn4life 3768]

Well I was going to ask Trey3612 how he had "two guns stuck in his face by "Billy Badasses...."

Then I went back and read the thread.  And I no longer wondered.

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don't have any kids, nor will I ever, and this shit is fucking awful.  The blatant disregard for the existence of other human beings in this world is at the heart of all of this.

Unless they’re unborn fetuses. Then their potential for personhood is really, really important. After they’re born and are actually living, breathing persons...fuck ‘em. 

[Goofyboy 3293]

Thank you for the responses. You folks put into words what I couldn’t.

[Carl Spackler 3487]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

As a purely factual statement, it's not wrong.  Unfortunately.

[4th&Five 41565]

10 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Unless they’re unborn fetuses. Then their potential for personhood is really, really important. After they’re born and are actually living, breathing persons...fuck ‘em. 

He said it perfectly 30 years ago. 

 

[Macanudo 12995]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

 

I do think @burntorangebongoshad an interesting thought... Hold the families responsible for failing to address mental health issues. The details of that are messy but at least it might be constitutional..?

And how exactly do we get people to become mental health experts.   A lot of those parents/grandparents/family members are struggling themselves.  

[4th&Five 41565]

1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

And how exactly do we get people to become mental health experts.   A lot of those parents/grandparents/family members are struggling themselves.  

And then how are they supposed to pay for it in this country that doesn’t have free health care?

[Michael Knight 12989]

12 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

As a purely factual statement, it's not wrong.  Unfortunately.

We were also founded on slavery

[TXSG8R 3362]

I still can’t fathom that we choose, CHOOSE, to make our children bear this burden. The party of life chooses to make kids go through active shooter drills, carry bulletproof backpacks, and cower in fear while shooters rampage through what should be a place of learning instead of trying to address the obvious gun access issue. This is inexplicable to my family in Germany. You can’t make this make sense to rational people outside of our dumb fucking gun culture bubble. 

[Michael Knight 12989]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

I mean the solution is always more violence, right? 

So looking at constraints:

If we can't raise the age of semi-auto possession from 18 to 21 for males (9th circuit noped)

If we can't take all the guns (Half a billion or more guns and at least 100M owners. Even if all the laws were passed, and we some how strip people of the knowledge or means to build 100 year old technology, collection would take decades and the violence would escalate)

If we can't address mental health issues (stigma, lack of funding, parental refusal to acknowledge, etc)

If we can't pass a law banning the publishing of the shooter's name (1st amendment I'm sure)

The only remotely feasible option I'm seeing is federal funding to harden schools. I know we've reached this conclusion before and people hate it too. But what alternative is there? 

I do think @burntorangebongoshad an interesting thought... Hold the families responsible for failing to address mental health issues. The details of that are messy but at least it might be constitutional..?

Go fuck yourself.

[TXSG8R 3362]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

I mean the solution is always more violence, right? 

So looking at constraints:

If we can't raise the age of semi-auto possession from 18 to 21 for males (9th circuit noped)

If we can't take all the guns (Half a billion or more guns and at least 100M owners. Even if all the laws were passed, and we some how strip people of the knowledge or means to build 100 year old technology, collection would take decades and the violence would escalate)

If we can't address mental health issues (stigma, lack of funding, parental refusal to acknowledge, etc)

If we can't pass a law banning the publishing of the shooter's name (1st amendment I'm sure)

The only remotely feasible option I'm seeing is federal funding to harden schools. I know we've reached this conclusion before and people hate it too. But what alternative is there? 

I do think @burntorangebongoshad an interesting thought... Hold the families responsible for failing to address mental health issues. The details of that are messy but at least it might be constitutional..?

I already posted this is impossible for many reasons. There are ~131,000 K-12 schools in this country. We can’t even fix our fucking bridges that are falling apart, but we will somehow shit enough money to harden that many schools to every potential mass shooting scenario?  It’s not remotely feasible.

[Pancho 44860]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

I

I do think @burntorangebongoshad an interesting thought... Hold the families responsible for failing to address mental health issues. The details of that are messy but at least it might be constitutional..?

 

We always chalk it up to “mental health issues” when that isn’t the only thing it could be.  If he was bullied and had a fractured home life (like some reports are saying), to me, that doesn’t scream mental health issue but it does scream trauma.  It’s sounding like (to me) he had childhood trauma that he wasn’t able to fully deal with and this was his “outlet” for his anger in dealing with that. 

That, to me, isn’t mental health—however, the solution is similar.  

Having a traumatic life/childhood doesn’t necessarily mean you’re mentally fucked up.  

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

David Frum has a parable.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-shooting-gun-violence/631649/

 

A village has been built in the deepest gully of a floodplain.

At regular intervals, flash floods wipe away houses, killing all inside. Less dramatic—but more lethal—is the steady toll as individual villagers slip and drown in the marshes around them.

After especially deadly events, the villagers solemnly discuss what they might do to protect themselves. Perhaps they might raise their homes on stilts? But a powerful faction among the villagers is always at hand to explain why these ideas won’t work. “No law can keep our village safe! The answer is that our people must learn to be better swimmers—and oh by the way, you said ‘stilts’ when the proper term is ‘piles,’ so why should anybody listen to you?”

So the argument rages, without result, year after year, decade after decade, fatalities mounting all the while. Nearby villages, built in the hills, marvel that the gully-dwellers persist in their seemingly reckless way of life. But the gully-dwellers counter that they are following the wishes of their Founders, whose decisions two centuries ago must always be upheld by their descendants.

[Carl Spackler 3487]

12 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

We were also founded on slavery

Shhhhh.  They don't want us to remember that.

[Jive Turkey 12623]

this could also go in the GQP death cult thread: