Active shooter thread

[Deej 76,842]

13 minutes ago, sidis said:

This Greg Abbott press conference is genuinely filling me with a pure sense of rage. I hope every person sitting at that table feels nothing but misery for the rest of time. 

Abbott's lower half can't feel anything, so you're out of luck. 

[YChang 3,455]

Fuck yes Beto. 

[wildcat09 29,355]

14 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It comes down to people that care more about cradling their guns than saving children's lives. Most of them won't publicly admit but a few do. There are several Surly posters that used to talk about that but now they just ignore these threads.

As far as they see it, they don't live in a society and have no obligations to the rest of us that they're bound to respect.

They always still seem to think that the rest of us owe them a bunch of obligations, though.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

Beto played the nice guy against the most hated man in Texas, and lost. He needs to go after Abbott with everything. Scorched earth strategy.

[Pato del Muerto 52,530]

4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Beto wasn’t a threat to their lives so they had no problem acting quickly. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,204]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Beto wasn’t a threat to their lives so they had no problem acting quickly. 

Yep, cops are cowards....just like the GQP. 

[ClubWhatever 12,151]

Whos the fat fuck with glasses who kept saying sir youre out of line.  What an embarrassment.

 

Nevermind I see the post above.  He's so wrong that it's out of place.

Edited May 25, 2022 by ClubWhatever

[SimonBolivar 10,958]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

As far as they see it, they don't live in a society and have no obligations to the rest of us that they're bound to respect.

They always still seem to think that the rest of us owe them a bunch of obligations, though.

 

Pretty much my response to everything these days. 

[YChang 3,455]

Seriously... talk about a rogue gallery of fucking do nothing evil assholes on that stage. 

[Royalfan5 2,354]

It still kills me that the right wants to trot out the mental health canard like they have any fucking interest in doing anything about that either. At least the ones that drop the mask with a so what are being semi-honest for once. 

 

[Gourmand 7,774]

13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Pretty sure that was the Uvalde mayor yelling at Beto and telling them to leave.

!

IT IS A POLITICAL ISSUE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN YOU EVIL COWARDLY MOTHERFUCKER!!

[elfenix 34,328]

13 minutes ago, ultimaton said:

Greg Abbott wants kids being shot in school. He wants kids being sex trafficked in state foster care. He wants kids freezing to death. Greg Abbott is a child killer.

ftfy

[Queen Bitch 1,692]

7 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Beto played the nice guy against the most hated man in Texas, and lost. He needs to go after Abbott with everything. Scorched earth strategy.

Agreed. And this is a damn good start.

[Goredho 17,412]

Good for Beto.  He should have refused to leave until he was thrown in jail or shot, though.

[Chooky 13,317]

14 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

He couldn't even bother to spell the name correctly even though it has been flashed across every screen in the world every 5 seconds for two days straight. There's ignorant and then there's a learning disability that makes one incapable of retaining simple information in spite of constant repetition. That's a long sentence to say ... Paul Gosar is dumb. And that's just one level of that tweet. 

[Gap03 3,308]

11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Beto played the nice guy against the most hated man in Texas, and lost. He needs to go after Abbott with everything. Scorched earth strategy.

Is Beto going to hold a press conference right after the GQP press conference?  He should lead with something like this ...

[lemonlime 5,503]

27 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Good.  They should get no peace any time they're out in public.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

7 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Good for Beto.  He should have refused to leave until he was thrown in jail or shot, though.

Dare the local officials to arrest him. I doubt he's worried about his permanent record.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1,549]

this press conference

[DaysOff 7,958]

Beto played the nice guy against the most hated man in Texas, and lost. He needs to go after Abbott with everything. Scorched earth strategy.

So maybe he keeps it within a field goal.

[The Royal We 3,072]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It comes down to people that care more about cradling their guns than saving children's lives. Most of them won't publicly admit but a few do. There are several Surly posters that used to talk about that but now they just ignore these threads.

It's a sickness.  When guns are one of the central tenets of your whole being - stickers on your car, hats, shirts, your whole online persona, etc. - then it's pretty much impossible to admit that maybe you've had it wrong all along. 

It's another nasty side effect of the whole tyranny of the minority situation we have going on in our country.

[Macanudo 12,991]

1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

this press conference

You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

[TexLonghorn 5,671]

Sheriff at press conference: "On March 17th, Ramos purchased a semi-automatic rifle at a local sporting goods store.  On March 18th, he purchased 375 rounds of ammunition for that rifle.  On March 20th, he purchased another semi-automatic rifle at that same local store."

and then: "We have YET to find a clue, whether it's social media or other indicators, that might have given us ANY TYPE OF IDEA that he was about to do something like this..."

An 18-year-old buying a semi-automatic weapon in the first place should be a flag, but then he buys a SECOND one from the SAME store just three days later, and sheriff head-in-the-sand has to throw out there that no one had ANY TYPE OF IDEA that he was about to do something?!  Then pats himself on the back that it was only 19 children that were killed.

Hey, sheriff,

Edited May 25, 2022 by TexLonghorn

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

Go Beto. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,154]

33 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Wow, ‘redouble down’ is what I do in vegas when on a giant bender.  It’s not what you do on your failing strategy to prevent kids from getting slaughtered in your schools, you ignorant fuck.  

[Neonmoon 38,129]

35 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Pretty sure that was the Uvalde mayor yelling at Beto and telling them to leave.

He has blood on his hands

"I can't believe you would make this a political issue"

 

[Pancho 44,860]

 

[Neonmoon 38,129]

7 minutes ago, TexLonghorn said:

Sheriff at press conference: "On March 17th, Ramos purchased a semi-automatic rifle at a local sporting goods store.  On March 18th, he purchased 375 rounds of ammunition for that rifle.  On March 20th, he purchased another semi-automatic rifle at that same local store."

and then: "We have YET to find a clue, whether it's social media or other indicators, that might have given us ANY TYPE OF IDEA that he was about to do something like this..."

An 18-year-old buying a semi-automatic weapon in the first place should be a flag, but then he buys a SECOND one from the SAME store just two days later, and sheriff head-in-the-sand has to throw out there that no one had ANY TYPE OF IDEA that he was about to do something?!  Then pats himself on the back that it was only 19 children that were killed.

Hey, sheriff,

A citizen of legal age purchased a gun legally. You think it's the Sheriff's fault?

[Foosters 17,858]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Wow, ‘redouble down’ is what I do in vegas when on a giant bender.  It’s not what you do on your failing strategy to prevent kids from getting slaughtered in your schools, you ignorant fuck.  

Hello, I'd like to double down on this hand.

Sir, you're dick is hanging out of your pants, you've placed crumbly ritz crackers where your chips are supposed to be, and you weren't even dealt in this hand to begin with.

[thepop 4,409]

Political stunt or not, it did fire me up. From "fine i'll vote for beto" to "fuck yes beto".

[Neonmoon 38,129]

36 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Civility police are back out in force. 

Republicans break the world

and then accuse the victims of being out of line. Show some decency and decorum! 

[Starfleet Command 441]

lol this motherfucker said "it could have been worse."  

[Keef 771]

I mean, sheesh, sounds like a citizen of legal age purchased a gun, and golly, no history of mental illness on his record it seems (not that it matters, we wouldn't invest to support that anyway).  Guess there's really nothing we can do here aside from turn our elementary schools into forts and arm the teachers.  Stupid libs for politicizing this.  

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,325]

Beto's outburst was nothing more than political grandstanding at probably the wrong place and the wrong time.

That said.... I think we are past anything being the wrong place or wrong time for gun control. Hot wheels up there pretending he gives a shit is an insult to anyone and everyone. Whatever needs to happen for serious gun control dialog and action to happen, Abbott has done the exact opposite. He can't have it both ways. Not here, not now.

[TexLonghorn 5,671]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

A citizen of legal age purchased a gun legally. You think it's the Sheriff's fault?

I think the selling of the weapons legally to an 18 year old is the state's fault.  If you saw the press conference though, how he spoke about Abbott and about the situation, I think it's pretty obvious that he votes in lockstep with the state allowing those gun sales. So he doesn't get to say 'hey, it's not my fault' when it's the approach he supports.

I also think the sheriff indicating there was absolutely no sign that anything was about to happen when an 18 year old buys some $3500 worth of semi-automatic weapons within three days with ammunition and a laser sight is absolutely on him.  He may feel the need to say 'no one could see this coming' so that he can sleep better at night, but the signs were obviously there.  To deny that from a law enforcement officer, is utter bullshit and ass-covering.

[Francisco 2.0 32,395]

2 minutes ago, Starfleet Command said:

lol this motherfucker said "it could have been worse."  

Right?!  Like, 19 kids was bad enough, but 20 would have made it worse.  Or 25.

Now that he's tossed out that line, what number is "worse" to him?  Wish someone would have asked him what quantifies as worse when it comes to child slaughter.

 

 

[hookem2010 2,624]

5 hours ago, TXSG8R said:

Someone mentioned it earlier, but I think the only way the 2A nuts really come to terms with this is with getting full exposure to the full gory details of events like this. Don’t show the happy photos of these kids. Show the footage from the crime scene. Show whats left of their heads. Run ads with this shit during every football game. We are numb to it because people aren’t exposed to the reality of what’s happening. It’s easy to say T&Ps to the smiling family photos of these kids. The only way you can sever the NRA’s hold on politicians is by making their money Chernobyl level untouchable. 

This may have been mentioned by now, but a page right out of their playbook. I know in the late 2000s, there were regularly giant posters of aborted fetuses in front of Gregory Gym. Only difference is those just gunned down are thinking, caring CHILDREN and not a fucking embryo.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

I don’t think it’s ever the wrong time to attempt to prevent the next mass murder especially of children.  Ruffling a few feathers is a small price to pay. 

[landman 559]

43 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Cruz looks like a bitch

That would be because he is one.

[lemonlime 5,503]

 

[Gourmand 7,774]

He's absolutely right in everything he said. 

[Gap03 3,308]

5 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Right?!  Like, 19 kids was bad enough, but 20 would have made it worse.  Or 25.

Now that he's tossed out that line, what number is "worse" to him?  Wish someone would have asked him what quantifies as worse when it comes to child slaughter.

 

 

That reminds me of this piece from The Onion from 2012:

NRA Sets 1,000 Killed In School Shooting As Amount It Would Take For Them To Reconsider Much Of Anything (theonion.com)

Spoiler

FAIRFAX, VA—National Rifle Association Executive Vice President and CEO Wayne LaPierre said Monday that somewhere around 1,000 kids would have to die in a school shooting in order for the organization to reconsider their longstanding opposition to gun control.

 

“Yeah, that’s probably the only way we’d reassess much of anything at this point: 1,000 dead kids, shot up pretty good, lying face down in the school auditorium or something like that,” LaPierre said, noting that anything less than 1,000 dead kids would not be enough for the NRA to stop urging Congress to pass pro-gun legislation. “I mean, that’s just a ballpark number, but I imagine seeing 1,000 or so body bags being wheeled out of a school and a whole town of crying parents would probably make us reflect on our values for at least a little bit.”

“So yeah, more or less 1,000 dead kids,” LaPierre added. “Something around there. And teachers don’t count.”

In his 21st year leading the right-wing lobbying group, LaPierre reiterated that “350 or 470 dead kids or some low number like that” would have no impact on the NRA’s belief that there should be more firearms on college campuses or that concealed carry laws should be more lax.

In addition, LaPierre added that while 800 dead kids in one school shooting would “certainly be a little closer to the number we’re talking about here,” ultimately that amount would, according to the NRA, constitute more of a society issue than a gun issue.

“For us to come anywhere close to reassessing our beliefs, it’s gotta be one of those deals where a ton of kids get their heads blown off in school and there is one of those big, town-wide memorial services where they read off all the names of all the dead kids and you feel like, wow, that has to be somewhere around 1,000 names,” said LaPierre, adding that seeing pictures of all the dead kids in front of the “pastor or whoever is doing the eulogies or whatever” might be a sobering enough visual for the NRA to reconsider whether it should be harder, not easier, to acquire firearms. “And I think the shooter would also have to use around 30 different types of guns in the shooting in order for us to rethink what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Second Amendment.”

The former member of the American Conservative Union’s board of directors further qualified his statement, adding that the NRA’s response to 1,000 or so kids being mowed down by a school shooter would more than likely vary based on the age of the students, the school’s demographics, and the extenuating circumstances of the situation as a whole.

Though he didn’t offer a reason why, LaPierre said 1,000 dead 14-year-olds is “not even close to the same thing” as 1,000 dead 18-year-olds.

“If we’re talking about one of those big high schools with 4,000 students then 1,000 dead ones aren’t really even a drop in the bucket, you know?” LaPierre said, explaining that if an uzi-carrying 16-year-old only kills 45 percent of a school’s total population, the NRA would still be more inclined to blame the shooting on poor parenting, and wouldn’t consider soft gun laws to be part of the problem. “Oh, and of course, if it’s a giant state university or something like that then I’d imagine we’d need to see numbers closer to 8,000 dead kids before we really even begin to talk about potentially having a conversation about changing our philosophy.”

“And for argument’s sake, let’s say it’s a situation where 999 people die and the 1,000th person is just the school shooter blowing his brains out,” LaPierre continued. “Do you honestly expect me to take that seriously? To me, that seems more like an isolated incident that shouldn’t really impact everyone’s rights, you know?”

While some believed that LaPierre’s remarks finally indicated a slight loosening of the NRA’s pro-gun stance, LaPierre was forced to clarify his comments after his membership criticized him for introducing the idea that a playground full of bullet-riddled dead kids might cause the NRA to reconsider their position on gun control if even for a second.

“At the end of the day, I want to make it very clear that the NRA is in absolutely no rush to change anything,” LaPierre later said in a written statement. “One thousand dead kids would have very little impact on us. Now if 50,000 kids died in a school shooting that might be a different story. Something around 50,000 to 80,000 dead kids. You know what, forget that. Maybe something closer to 250,000. Yeah, 250,000 dead kids.”

 

So, yeah, pretty much spot on for the current NRA / GQP ...

[Pancho 44,860]

8 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

This may have been mentioned by now, but a page right out of their playbook. I know in the late 2000s, there were regularly giant posters of aborted fetuses in front of Gregory Gym. Only difference is those just gunned down are thinking, caring CHILDREN and not a fucking embryo.

My first day on campus in January 2003 was me getting off the 40 Acres route??? by Gregory and seeing the largest aborted fetus on a poster I've ever seen.  

[RomaVicta 29,937]

50 minutes ago, sidis said:

They are literally in the midst of siphoning funds from DHHS to fund border theatrics. 

I was hoping that would be the first question. I couldn't keep watching the lying fuckwad parade to see if it happened. Abbott managed to build his wall: a three deep structure of pustules mimicking men.

[Neonmoon 38,129]

7 minutes ago, TexLonghorn said:

I think the selling of the weapons legally to an 18 year old is the state's fault.  If you saw the press conference though, how he spoke about Abbott and about the situation, I think it's pretty obvious that he votes in lockstep with the state allowing those gun sales. So he doesn't get to say 'hey, it's not my fault' when it's the approach he supports.

I also think the sheriff indicating there was absolutely no sign that anything was about to happen when an 18 year old buys some $3500 worth of semi-automatic weapons within three days with ammunition and a laser sight is absolutely on him.  He may feel the need to say 'no one could see this coming' so that he can sleep better at night, but the signs were obviously there.  To deny that from a law enforcement officer, is utter bullshit and ass-covering.

Okay, makes more sense. I don't blame the law enforcement officer. I agreed with him that he couldn't see it coming. A legal citizen buying a legally sold gun is not something that sets off alarm bells. Even at age 18, even buying two AR-15s and a bunch of ammo. Tons of idiots do this and go shoot hogs because its super fun. 

It's batshit crazy that we're the only country that lets anyone buy guns. 

But how can anyone predict human behavior? That's impossible. Some times people lose their shit. Especially teenagers that haven't' learned to control their emotions yet, especially between the ages of 18-27 when mental illness is more likely to develop. 

The only difference is, we're the only country that allows people to access guns that can kill mass amounts of people in minutes. Eve Mireles looks like she could of kicked the guys ass if he had a knife

[Brandywine 1,316]

I’m glad Beto did that even if it was political. Abbot, Patrick and all those other fat idiots sitting there with him just looked stupid. This is same o, same o. They’ll set there and mark time off and do nothing as they continue to do. This is on them and they should be called out. They should get on a plane and fly to Cancun with Cruz because they are useless. 

[TexasEd 8,067]

47 minutes ago, YChang said:

Seriously... talk about a rogue gallery of fucking do nothing evil assholes on that stage. 

I started going through a ranking system and it was pretty fucking hard to do.

Cruz #1 and then a big tie for #2

[F250 28,788]

2 hours ago, UncleSonny said:

Jesus Christ. It’s worthless incompetence vs. organized evil death cult on the other side 

Schumer is a worthless limp dick.

[The Royal We 3,072]

These spineless cunts are blaming mental health as being the root cause of our gun violence problem WHILE AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME CUTTING/STEALING FUNDING FOR MENTAL HEALTHCARE to pay for a circle jerk clown show at the border!

Jesus fuck how can we be so ignorant in this state?

[hobbes2702 13,049]

19 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Beto's outburst was nothing more than political grandstanding at probably the wrong place and the wrong time.

That said.... I think we are past anything being the wrong place or wrong time for gun control. Hot wheels up there pretending he gives a shit is an insult to anyone and everyone. Whatever needs to happen for serious gun control dialog and action to happen, Abbott has done the exact opposite. He can't have it both ways. Not here, not now.

What’s the right place to confront leaders that continually sacrifice children at the alter of the 2nd amendment? Beto and thousands of other Texans should have been outside that building telling Abbott and the rest of our shit politicians that they have blood on their hands and we want something done. 
But that won’t happen because Veto’s an evil lib so better to vote for Abbott or Cruz. Fuck this state