Active shooter thread

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 minute ago, Satchel said:

Do you support laws designed to take from women the one tool that keeps them from terminating pregnancies, since women cannot  (in the estimation of the lawmakers)  be trusted to protect life on their own?

Do not. Receipts are in the abortion thread. 
 

eta: I do not like the idea of the late term stuff.  Was ok (on an overall legal note, not really personally) with the law as it’s been my entire adult life.  I understand the Clinton phrase is no longer popular, but that’s where I always landed on it. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by fattyflattie

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

1 minute ago, dieucla98 said:

Apologies, I don't follow your political leanings as close as others, but what are the issues that you prioritize to keep you from voting D and from supporting gun reform with real action?

a _ _ _ _ _ _ n

wanna solve the puzzle?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I was just curious, you set the timeline, after all.  You say you can live with the choice you made, but act appalled others can, too. Huh. 

do you know why I set the timeline when I did? what happened in 1994 that was significant to this discussion?

and I'm not appalled that you can live with yourself, I'm appalled that you continue to vote for dead kids

Edited June 7, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Brisketexan 104604]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Maybe. I’ve got a few regrets, as I assume everyone does. I do find it a bit presumptuous you feel you made the “wrong” choice years ago. Wrong for you now, it very obviously wasn’t then.  

Man....I've had this same discussion with my wife (about my general wrongness -- a subject on which she is the world's foremost authority).  Maybe I made the "best decision I could at the time with the info and experience that I had," but it was still the wrong decision when it comes the very reason for making such decisions -- achieving a long-term desired outcome.

Based on the info I had at the time, it may have been a perfectly reasonable choice to take the right fork in the road on my journey to The Promised Land.  But if it turns out that the right fork actually leads me to a dead end at a steep cliff, and the left fork actually was the right path to get to The Promised Land, then I made a regrettable choice.  An understandable one, maybe.  One where I didn't act with ill intent.  But the wrong choice nonetheless.

I'll make more mistakes going forward (my wife assures me that I will).  But I'm always trying to limit them, and when I have more complete information -- as I now have about what the GQP will do with power -- I make different choices than I would have made 30 years ago.

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

a _ _ _ _ _ _ n

wanna solve the puzzle?

Lol. Literally 1000% wrong.  Again, receipts all over the site. Even one of my neg rep tails will vouch for my position on it.

[Anastasis 23395]

13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Assault weapons were banned when W ran for office in 2000.

Speaking of masturbatory gun regulations, the AWB is a damn good example. 

What most gun owners want are measures that make sense and can actually impact outcomes while balancing the rights of law abiding citizens.  Y'all get mad at people for not voting D, but the reality is that a good number of D's rhetoric on the issue goes far beyond the bounds of common sense.  See e.g., Beto.  See also e.g., calls backs to the AWB. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Anastasis

[Captainant 27450]

13 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Is it your view that policies have never changed in the parties, thru time?  Never. Something opposed in the 50’s is still opposed?   Also, I don’t cry about the CR meanies. There’s one or two that can fuck their own ass but aside from those few, meh.

Policies certainly change over time. Prior to the 1960's, the democratic party was full of dixiecrats that thought the south would rise again and had to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century, and all the racists that boiled off eventually condensed into the modern GQP.

I can honestly say that within my lifetime, the GOP has always been 100% progunflagrockeagle. I grew up similar to LH86 in an incredibly sheltered and jesus-bubbled SBC upbringing and my first couple of votes were for the (R) party because of all the horrible anti-abortion propaganda that was shown to me from 13 and onwards, and the constant drumbeat of fear from the GOP and the religious right.

Guns and gun rights have ALWAYS been the shibboleth of the modern republican party. 

 

But shit man, I don't know why a bunch of us are arguing with an oilman that pridefully stakes out an ignorant position. Fatty wasn't reasoned into his position, and he's not defending it with reason. So I'm not sure why we all share the same mental illness to keep treating him like he's a serious person.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Captainant

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

do you know why I set the timeline when I did? what happened in 1994 that was significant to this discussion?

Was it the ban where a plastic stock made a gun bad, but you could get it’s brother with a wood stock at Walmart (where I literally purchased one my mini-14’s)?

[Satchel 6908]

15 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

There’s a lot we can do. Just securing firearms would cut down on literally 10’s of thousands of annual deaths.  Finding ways to support and educate that doesn’t have to be thru law (although awesome if so).  Could be as simple as talking to a neighbor who you know doesn’t secure their shotgun.   
 

There’s a lot more to discussion that a single type of rifle and it’s typical magazine. 

Wouldn’t eliminating firearms with the power and lethality of military weapons in public spaces reduce annual deaths as well?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Policies certainly change over time. Prior to the 1960's, the democratic party was full of dixiecrats that thought the south would rise again and had to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century, and all the racists that boiled off eventually condensed into the modern GQP.

I can honestly say that within my lifetime, the GOP has always been 100% progunflagrockeagle. I grew up similar to LH86 in an incredibly sheltered and jesus-bubbled SBC upbringing and my first couple of votes were for the (R) party because of all the horrible anti-abortion propaganda that was shown to me from 13 and onwards, and the constant drumbeat of fear from the GOP and the religious right.

Guns and gun rights have ALWAYS been the shibboleth of the modern republican party. 

 

But shit man, I don't know why a bunch of us are arguing with an oilman that pridefully stakes out an ignorant position. Fatty wasn't reasoned into his position, and he's not defending it with reason. So I'm not sure why we all share the same mental illness to keep treating you like he's a serious person.

that's a fucking good point. I have ff on ignore yet I've been breaking my own rule responding to his ass - stupidly thinking I might get through. thanks for the virtual wake up slap

[atomheartbevo 89424]

37 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

If you have voted republican in the last 28 years you are complicit in the murder of children, period.

Let’s cut that back to 18 years, because 28 years….

[fattyflattie 4636]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

But shit man, I don't know why a bunch of us are arguing with an oilman that pridefully stakes out an ignorant position. Fatty wasn't reasoned into his position, and he's not defending it with reason. So I'm not sure why we all share the same mental illness to keep treating you like he's a serious person.

How is that?  Are you telling me the people you vote for do exactly what you want, all the time? Or do you vote for what you feel is best, and work on convincing them they need to further their progress towards the additional goals you feel are important?  Because I’m pretty sure that’s how it works. I’m not happy there’s zero compromise on easy to implement issues like safe storage, magazine limits, and other simple shit (binary triggers, suppressors).
 

Your view is I should drop every other concern I have with the other party, put them in full and complete power, so that they can make these small changes that we might see progress in a decade or two?  After the 20m+ ARs and hundreds of millions of handguns have been slowly nitpicked to nothing (hint: full control won’t stop with mag size limits and background checks, see 1000% tax I linked). 

[Goofyboy 3203]

How is that?  Are you telling me the people you vote for do exactly what you want, all the time? Or do you vote for what you feel is best, and work on convincing them they need to further their progress towards the additional goals you feel are important?  Because I’m pretty sure that’s how it works. I’m not happy there’s zero compromise on easy to implement issues like safe storage, magazine limits, and other simple shit (binary triggers, suppressors).
 
Your view is I should drop every other concern I have with the other party, put them in full and complete power, so that they can make these small changes that we might see progress in a decade or two?  After the 20m+ ARs and hundreds of millions of handguns have been slowly nitpicked to nothing (hint: full control won’t stop with mag size limits and background checks, see 1000% tax I linked). 

No, you should drop the GQP / GOP because they have no platform at all other than do nothing. Then when they have control, they do nothing to help the common American. But, you won’t listen to anything or anyone that can legitimately prove that to you.

[fattyflattie 4636]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Wouldn’t eliminating firearms with the power and lethality of military weapons in public spaces reduce annual deaths as well?

Odd phrasing. So pretty much any 9mm or greater handgun, as they are military weapon (9mm and .45). The 5.56 (which is one of several cartridges in the scary AR, but most popular so assuming that’s what you’re asking) is the one everyone is focusing on.  Every Varmint rifle (hunting) I have has more power and lethality.  Every deer rifle (hunting) I have has more power and lethality.  Every bench gun (target) I have is more powerful and lethal.   
 

Public spaces? I’m mostly ok with that. I don’t conceal carry. I’m good with continued CC but with even greater classes and background check (it’s not all that rigorous now) 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

How is that?  Are you telling me the people you vote for do exactly what you want, all the time? Or do you vote for what you feel is best, and work on convincing them they need to further their progress towards the additional goals you feel are important?  Because I’m pretty sure that’s how it works. I’m not happy there’s zero compromise on easy to implement issues like safe storage, magazine limits, and other simple shit (binary triggers, suppressors).
 

Your view is I should drop every other concern I have with the other party, put them in full and complete power, so that they can make these small changes that we might see progress in a decade or two?  After the 20m+ ARs and hundreds of millions of handguns have been slowly nitpicked to nothing (hint: full control won’t stop with mag size limits and background checks, see 1000% tax I linked). 

"Thank you, Senator, for keeping my taxes low and minorities at bay. Now would you pretty please with a cherry on top try to keep kids from having their heads blow off while learning math? That would be swell." -ff, probably

[fattyflattie 4636]

11 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

that's a fucking good point. I have ff on ignore yet I've been breaking my own rule responding to his ass - stupidly thinking I might get through. thanks for the virtual wake up slap

You have me on ignore? Come on man!

[Captainant 27450]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Your view is I should drop every other concern I have with the other party, put them in full and complete power, so that they can make these small changes that we might see progress in a decade or two?  After the 20m+ ARs and hundreds of millions of handguns have been slowly nitpicked to nothing (hint: full control won’t stop with mag size limits and background checks, see 1000% tax I linked). 

No you stupid fucking ditch digger. My view is that if you ACTUALLY gave a shit about implementing the "easy issues" you'd fucking taking some meaningful action to realize that goal. You'd call your representatives and ask for that legislation, and vote in primaries for candidates that are more moderate. But no instead you waive your critical thinking to blindly support whatever extreme candidate the GQP has brought, or you neglect your civic duty and withold your vote.

You're doing that doublespeak thing again by the way. You're taking my statements to their extreme to build a strawman that isn't supported by my posts, and then attacking me for having such an outrageous position.

It sort of gives up the game that you're just looking to culture war and not actually engage with any ideas. You've already decided that there's nothing that can be said to change your mind because you clearly aren't reading what's being discussed in this thread.

 

Enjoy all the dead children. The people you vote for are the ones enabling more children to be gunned down in classrooms. Not the people I vote for. 

[Satchel 6908]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Odd phrasing. So pretty much any 9mm or greater handgun, as they are military weapon (9mm and .45). The 5.56 (which is one of several cartridges in the scary AR, but most popular so assuming that’s what you’re asking) is the one everyone is focusing on.  Every Varmint rifle (hunting) I have has more power and lethality.  Every deer rifle (hunting) I have has more power and lethality.  Every bench gun (target) I have is more powerful and lethal.   
 

Public spaces? I’m mostly ok with that. I don’t conceal carry. I’m good with continued CC but with even greater classes and background check (it’s not all that rigorous now) 

So, if we resurrected the 90’s era assault weapons ban, you wouldn’t have a problem with us doing so?

[David Dennison 18656]

22 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Speaking of masturbatory gun regulations, the AWB is a damn good example. 

What most gun owners want are measures that make sense and can actually impact outcomes while balancing the rights of law abiding citizens.  Y'all get mad at people for not voting D, but the reality is that a good number of D's rhetoric on the issue goes far beyond the bounds of common sense.  See e.g., Beto.  See also e.g., calls backs to the AWB. 

Speaking of masturbatory.

[Goofyboy 3203]

"Thank you, Senator, for keeping my taxes low and minorities at bay. Now would you pretty please with a cherry on top try to keep kids from having their heads blow off while learning math? That would be swell." -ff, probably

His (and our taxes) are going up if Rick Scott’s plan for the GOP is implemented… and that’s the only platform out there for the GOP.

[David Dennison 18656]

One of these days states are going to just stop listening to the Supreme Court.

I mean, what are they gonna do if a state bans assault weapons?

[fattyflattie 4636]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

So, if we resurrected the 90’s era assault weapons ban, you wouldn’t have a problem with us doing so?

Where things were grandfathered, like that one?  Not really. Would probably make enough to buy a vacation home. 
 

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You'd call your representatives and ask for that legislation, and vote in primaries for candidates that are more moderate.

Not how it work on the R side. Choice was Huffines or Beto. Abbott would be your moderate choice. 

[Satchel 6908]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Where things were grandfathered, like that one?  Not really. Would probably make enough to buy a vacation home. 
 

Not how it work on the R side. Choice was Huffines or Beto. Abbott would be your moderate choice. 

Name one issue on which this current iteration of Abbott is moderate?

[Captainant 27450]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

Not how it work on the R side. Choice was Huffines or Beto. Abbott would be your moderate choice. 

Yes, and you are saying that low taxes and treating women like chattel and banning trans kids from sports are more important than children getting shot into gore and spread on walls.

You have nothing but opposition whenever gun control comes up. You make weak gestural statements that you support one or another small measure, and then tell us why you'll never actually vote for it.

Just be honest. You want lower taxes more than you want schoolchildren to be safe from slaughter. Maybe if a shooter shot up a prenatal ward youd finally start to give a shit

[jimmyjazz 45557]

35 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Speaking of masturbatory gun regulations, the AWB is a damn good example. 

What most gun owners want are measures that make sense and can actually impact outcomes while balancing the rights of law abiding citizens.  Y'all get mad at people for not voting D, but the reality is that a good number of D's rhetoric on the issue goes far beyond the bounds of common sense.  See e.g., Beto.  See also e.g., calls backs to the AWB. 

You do realize that the AWB has been studied and it was shown that it had positive effect?

[David Dennison 18656]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You do realize that the AWB has been studied and it was shown that it had positive effect?

Yes, but you see jimmyjazz, there are also negative effects on gun owner rights.

Edited June 7, 2022 by David Dennison

[B00M 6280]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

The full version of this is very worth a watch. 

Fuck the governor, dude should run for President.

[RomaVicta 29784]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

How is that?  Are you telling me the people you vote for do exactly what you want, all the time? Or do you vote for what you feel is best, and work on convincing them they need to further their progress towards the additional goals you feel are important?  Because I’m pretty sure that’s how it works. I’m not happy there’s zero compromise on easy to implement issues like safe storage, magazine limits, and other simple shit (binary triggers, suppressors).
 

Your view is I should drop every other concern I have with the other party, put them in full and complete power, so that they can make these small changes that we might see progress in a decade or two?  After the 20m+ ARs and hundreds of millions of handguns have been slowly nitpicked to nothing (hint: full control won’t stop with mag size limits and background checks, see 1000% tax I linked). 

This is rife with rationalizations, distorted characterizations of others' posts, and a small-minded view of what's wrong with the GOP.

Rationalization for voting for the party of child murder, plague, and insurrection: They do other stuff that's okay. You don't name them. 

Distortion: "Your view is I should drop every other concern I have with the other party, put them in full and complete power." The only party close to being in full and complete power is your own. They're working hard to cement the deal through any means possible. You are likely projecting this will to absolute power from the actions of your own party. Posters are not in love with the idea of a Dem regime that's unopposed. They see the Dems, correctly, as the only party showing any concern whatsoever about the republic and it's citizens. Name the policies of the GOP that benefit the general population or preserve our democratic institutions. 

Small minded view of GOP: You want to argue issues which you do poorly. You want to hold onto whatever illusory principles you were convinced that the GOP stood for. You will not stand up, look in the mirror, and consider that your support has put the nation on a disastrous path.

Many on here are ex-GOPs who realized the GOP was not about lowered taxes, controlled spending, and government restraint. I admire their ability to reassess and make the hard read. Your small mindedness is in clinging to sad, unreal ideals while ignoring that your party supported an insurrection. Your party blocks investigation into the insurrection. Your party is best represented by Mitch McConnel (consumate power seeker) and Donald Trump, consumate liar, thief, assaulter of women, and con man. Your party has a great many believers in the Q-Anon hoax and that the colored people are the real problem with the US. 

The elephant in the room is not just the symbol of the GOP; it's the fact that nobody in the GOP wants to deal with the fact that their party is on track to destroy the republic.

How do they do that? They respond like this to Mathew M's poignant observation that a child could only be identified by the green shoes with a heart on the toe after being torn about by high velocity military rounds.

 

They just don't won't fucking look. I'm usually pretty emotionally detached from these slaughters. This one with the child victims calling for help on their phones as the police dawdle outside is too much for my restraint. The presentation of Abbott afterwards outraged me. His offering up prayers in Uvalde makes me feel murderous myself.

If you can't see all this for what it is, you are indeed part of the problem. Your vote may as well be a bullet or the hand taking money aimed at fighting Covid or providing mental health. Your party's brand is cruelty. You endorse it.

Shame on you.

Edited June 7, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Alien Octopus 499]

37 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Wouldn’t eliminating firearms with the power and lethality of military weapons in public spaces reduce annual deaths as well?

So basically you want to eliminate all firearms to reduce annual deaths. Anything the military uses?

[Fastbreak 3959]

The full version of this is very worth a watch. 
Fuck the governor, dude should run for President.

A real fucking Texan, unlike every single motherfucker that represents us.

[C-Man 27052]

13 minutes ago, B00M said:

The full version of this is very worth a watch. 

Fuck the governor, dude should run for President.

Do you have a link? I went looking for it earlier.

[Gil Bang 25897]

His aggy degree about to get revoked

[David Dennison 18656]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

His aggy degree about to get revoked
 

Neither is banning certain weapons.

Just sayin.'

[Anastasis 23395]

19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You do realize that the AWB has been studied and it was shown that it had positive effect?

Rand has a nice synthesis of high quality research on the topic broadly, and includes as assessment of the impact of the AWB.  They rate the findings wrt the AWB inconclusive.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2000/RR2088-1/RAND_RR2088-1.pdf

 

 

Scientific evidence on gun policies' effects is modest but supports a few conclusions

Of more than 200 combinations of policies and outcomes, surprisingly few have been the subject of methodologically rigorous investigation. Notably, research into five of the examined outcomes is either unavailable or almost entirely inconclusive, and three of these five outcomes represent issues of particular concern to gun owners or gun industry stakeholders.

Available evidence supports the conclusion that child-access prevention laws, or safe storage laws, reduce self-inflicted fatal or nonfatal firearm injuries, including unintentional and intentional self-injuries, among youth.

There is supportive evidence that stand-your-ground laws are associated with increases in firearm homicides and moderate evidence that they increase the total number of homicides.

There is moderate evidence that state laws prohibiting gun ownership by individuals subject to domestic violence restraining orders decrease total and firearm-related intimate partner homicides.

There is moderate evidence that waiting periods reduce firearm suicides and total homicides and limited evidence that they reduce total suicides and firearm homicides.

No studies meeting the authors' inclusion criteria have examined the effects of gun-free zones, laws allowing armed staff in kindergarten through grade 12 schools, or required reporting of lost or stolen firearms.

 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45557]

Other studies differ.  Some of it came down to things like # fatalities per event, etc.  I mean, no shit, Las Vegas, but the data are not wholly inconclusive.

It wasn't a sweeping ban, either.  It had little hope of anything but a modest effect, which it did.

One more thing:  for all the 2A experts I hear from on a daily basis, it seems they sure have a problem acknowledging the fact that, over and over again, the courts have indicated that various actions like the assault weapons ban are NOT unconstitutional.  I mean, when Scalia says it, you have to wonder how solid one's differing position is.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Do not. Receipts are in the abortion thread. 
 

eta: I do not like the idea of the late term stuff.  Was ok (on an overall legal note, not really personally) with the law as it’s been my entire adult life.  I understand the Clinton phrase is no longer popular, but that’s where I always landed on it. 

What about the really late term stuff?

 

33rd trimester?

 

Like the 19 in Uvalde a couple of weeks ago?

 

[Pancho 44474]

5 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

This is so fucking heartbreaking and infuriating. As a husband of an elementary educator I think it’s important to explain how close these teachers become with these students at such a young age. To think every single student of his that was in the classroom at the time was murdered in front of him is unfathomable.

I saw bits and pieces of this during NBC Nightly News just now.  It was heartbreaking to watch just that short clip on tv.  I’m not sure I would be able to get through this entire interview. 

I’d probably start crying but would mostly be fucking angry. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Other studies differ.  Some of it came down to things like # fatalities per event, etc.  I mean, no shit, Las Vegas, but the data are not wholly inconclusive.

It wasn't a sweeping ban, either.  It had little hope of anything but a modest effect, which it did.

One more thing:  for all the 2A experts I hear from on a daily basis, it seems they sure have a problem acknowledging the fact that, over and over again, the courts have indicated that various actions like the assault weapons ban are NOT unconstitutional.  I mean, when Scalia says it, you have to wonder how solid one's differing position is.

It doesn't matter what Scalia said. It matters what the current court would say, see Roe v Wade. Precedent is dead. 

[Brisketexan 104604]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

It doesn't matter what Scalia said. It matters what the current court would say, see Roe v Wade. Precedent is dead. 

Also this.

When you understand that we live in a timeline where Scalia is a pussy-ass socialist libtard to the modern GQP, then you can figure out what's coming next.  None of it's good.

[APMP 685]

Do you have a link? I went looking for it earlier.

I forced myself to watch the whole thing. Everyone should.

[DDD Dad 14251]

19 hours ago, Anastasis said:

I did not conflate anything, but you are the one that brought abortion into the discussion. Sorry if the context of magnitude is off putting.

 

Maybe I should just adopt the hg style of posting.

 

democrats- we were a hairs breathe away from a fascist takeover of the American government.

also democrats - damn right we want to take away your ARs.

 

And I actually generally like Beto and donated to him. 

eta: unfortunately, the following is lost in him and many others.

There are solutions where the vast majority of gun owners will be able to find agreement on expanding gun control measures. But reasonable gun owners are going to push back on nonsensical and performative measures.

Worth a listen for all those who think that "reasonable" gun safety laws have any chance of passage.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/podcasts/the-daily/gun-control-polling.html

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Do you have a link? I went looking for it earlier.

[Goredho 17348]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

The full version of this is very worth a watch. 

Fuck the governor, dude should run for President.

Got a link to the full version?

[jimmyjazz 45557]

4 hours ago, Homercles said:

What does he say at the end there?

 

4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I can't make it out and I'm wearing headphones

I believe it's 

"How 'bout that shit?"

and

"Maiete (sp?) wrote a letter . . ." (talking about the little girl with the green Chuck Taylors)

[fattyflattie 4636]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I believe it's 

"How 'bout that shit?"

Something to that affect.  He kinda pulls it back I think. 

[TexPx 2316]

Got a link to the full version?

[Anastasis 23395]

5 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

That's a reference to Biden lying on a 4473. While he was fucking his dead brothers wife, she probably thought he was going to off himself, and went off and threw his .38 in a trash can behind a grocery store. When the FBI came in to investigate, Hunter pivoted to pointing out the suspicious Mexicans working at the grocery store. That dude is a total basket case.  And RJ is a fuckstick. But 4473 violations are severely under prosecuted.  Motherfuckers that lie during the background check process should be prosecuted and put in jail for a long time. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Anastasis

[GW Hayduke 1952]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Speaking of masturbatory gun regulations, the AWB is a damn good example. 

What most gun owners want are measures that make sense and can actually impact outcomes while balancing the rights of law abiding citizens.  Y'all get mad at people for not voting D, but the reality is that a good number of D's rhetoric on the issue goes far beyond the bounds of common sense.  See e.g., Beto.  See also e.g., calls backs to the AWB. 

Restricting access to assault weapons (high velocity, high capacity semi auto rifles) would decrease the magnitude of mass shooter events.  That seems rather obvious

[Foosters 17731]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

That's a reference to Biden lying on a 4473. While he was fucking his dead brothers wife, she probably thought he was going to off himself, and went off and threw his .38 in a trash can behind a grocery store. When the FBI came in to investigate, Hunter pivoted to pointing out the suspicious Mexicans working at the grocery store. That dude is a total basket case.  And RJ is a fuckstick. But 4473 violations are severely under prosecuted.  Motherfuckers that lie during the background check process should be prosecuted and put in jail for a long time. 

This is pathetic. Even for you.

[Sbbruin 21728]

The question I have for hardcore 2A folks is simple: If you could only choose one, would you rather a) defend unfettered gun rights with effectively ZERO restrictions, which is the current position, or b) watch your child grow up instead of being murdered in a classroom?  Because it happened to someone's kids, not yours, doesn't mean it can't.