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Fuck off. You vote for this shit. Explain that to your kids. 

Pancho
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3rd leg of my move from Houston to the Bay Area, and I made it to LA.   I’m just now catching up on the news in my hotel.  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again—I don’t have kids, but this e

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WTF world are we living in when people are having a discussion about survival rates of certain rounds? People are being terrorized by gun violence and we're discussing which bullet has worse/better ch

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proud member of Los Verdes.   I held Layla up for the tifo with my 14 yr old..  thought id share a snip from her obituary:

Layla loved dancing and singing and loved the Dallas Cowboys.  She would sing with her father every morning heading to school and again on her way home with her mother.  Layla was a smart witted and rambunctious child.  She was always cheerful and respectful of her elders and would be the first to greet and assist family guest and friends.  Layla was a girl who loved many different activities with some of those being swimming and running track. When she wasn’t spending time swimming at the river with her parents or running track you could find her singing and dancing. Layla also enjoyed making TikTok videos and adored Koala bears. Layla won 6 first place ribbons on field day and was so proud of her accomplishments. She would say, ”If you aren’t first, you’re last.”  On the many days her grandfather and grandmother would pick her up from school she would get treated with tacos, so she would ask them to pick her up as often as she could. 

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proud member of Los Verdes.   I held Layla up for the tifo with my 14 yr old..  thought id share a snip from her obituary:

Layla loved dancing and singing and loved the Dallas Cowboys.  She would sing with her father every morning heading to school and again on her way home with her mother.  Layla was a smart witted and rambunctious child.  She was always cheerful and respectful of her elders and would be the first to greet and assist family guest and friends.  Layla was a girl who loved many different activities with some of those being swimming and running track. When she wasn’t spending time swimming at the river with her parents or running track you could find her singing and dancing. Layla also enjoyed making TikTok videos and adored Koala bears. Layla won 6 first place ribbons on field day and was so proud of her accomplishments. She would say, ”If you aren’t first, you’re last.”  On the many days her grandfather and grandmother would pick her up from school she would get treated with tacos, so she would ask them to pick her up as often as she could. 

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Glad to see this isn't forgotten yet, but I fear it is with the legislation and now the abortion ruling. It was just a month ago that 19 children and 2 teachers were murdered. We've gotten a law change coming that wouldn't have prevented it on the federal level, and a whole lot of nothing on the state level. All we know is that we won't be actually doing anything against the type of weapons that were used. You know, something that could make a real difference.

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On 6/22/2022 at 9:59 PM, TexasEd said:

Oh, and my wife is now a receptionist at our local High School.  She's the one responsible for tripping the alarm, locking the school down and trapping a threat in the "corral" at the entrance.  I'm sure state leadership will want her to carry a gun now instead of preventing people from getting them that should have red flags or are too young and violent to responsibly own them.

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Receptionist training:

  • Working the phone.
  • Greeting visitors.
  • Giving information.
  • Managing sign-in sheet.
  • Stopping armed intruders by skillfully trapping them.
  • Being the first victim of the armed intruder.

Fucking. Nuts.

Courage under fire should not be a job requirement for a school employee. 

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4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Receptionist training:

  • Working the phone.
  • Greeting visitors.
  • Giving information.
  • Managing sign-in sheet.
  • Stopping armed intruders by skillfully trapping them.
  • Being the first victim of the armed intruder.

Fucking. Nuts.

Courage under fire should not be a job requirement for a school employee. 

It can be done.  I once saw a documentary where Steven Seagal did all kinds of badassery to save the world from nuclear terrorists, and he was just a cook.

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It can be done.  I once saw a documentary where Steven Seagal did all kinds of badassery to save the world from nuclear terrorists, and he was just a cook.

Excellent point. I did not think to look to the Gospel of Right: Hollywood fantasies about handling bad guys.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

 

They'll harass this woman for years because she dared to protect her kids when they refused to do so.

We definitely need an FBI probe into this. It's clear that no state agency can be trusted. I'm pretty cynical about the police and the state elected government, but this through-and-through rot and villainy surprises even me. 

Are they just stonewalling until they get their tyranny fully established? This stinks of a police state. I can imagine BLM's response to my post.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

 

They'll harass this woman for years because she dared to protect her kids when they refused to do so.

Maybe she should buy an AR-15. Then all they'd do is stand around scared outside.

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36 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Your weekly reminder that the police are a legal gang. 

just fucking infuriating. these fucks can intimidate a parent who wanted to protect their kids. and people pay them to do this. 

while also paying them to not do their actual job.

and the fucking beat rolls 

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Jesus fucking Christ...

After the initial shooting, some of the people at the event ran to the security area that had been collecting firearms from attendees and got their guns back, the sheriff’s office said. A second and third shooting then took place.
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3 hours ago, tchookem said:

Jesus fucking Christ...

3 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I have to laugh at this point to keep from going mad. It's my only defense mechanism left

We need video of them rushing to security and getting their guns back.  With Yakety Sax playing in the background.

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

We need video of them rushing to security and getting their guns back.  With Yakety Sax playing in the background.

I admit I laughed out loud when I heard this detail on the local news last night. I had pretty much the same visual. Fucking troglodytes.

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13 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Took long enough.
 

He's probably lawyered and PR'ed up, and they told him to clean up his image. This is going to play out with the city and state trying to make him the fall guy and him fighting back in a battle he's mostly already lost, like a blameworthy Richard Jewell.

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So when the next shooting happens, will everyone just point to this and say "we've tried everything!  nothing more we can do!"?  This is a bandaid on a bullet wound.  Excuse the clumsy metaphor.

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The reforms include:

  • Tougher background checks for buyers younger than 21
  • $15bn (£12.2bn) in federal funding for mental health programs and school security upgrades
  • Funding to encourage states to implement "red flag" laws to remove firearms from people considered a threat
  • Closing the so-called "boyfriend loophole" by blocking gun sales to those convicted of abusing unmarried intimate partners

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61919752

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On 6/27/2022 at 10:31 AM, RomaVicta said:

We definitely need an FBI probe into this. It's clear that no state agency can be trusted. I'm pretty cynical about the police and the state elected government, but this through-and-through rot and villainy surprises even me. 

Are they just stonewalling until they get their tyranny fully established? This stinks of a police state. I can imagine BLM's response to my post.

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Is it just a matter of time until a federal investigation into Texas state government corruption is met with a standoff between state rights and federal oversight that leads to more violent insurrectionist bullshit? Or is that crazy because the federal government doesn't have the balls anymore to check any state and it'll just become 50 independent little nations all pulling in opposite directions?

Future in the USA is so bright I gotta wear shades. 

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3 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Fuck, this is pretty amazing. Things escalated quickly.

 

 

Anyone who see that and says "Ah ha! I know what the problem is! We need more of those weapons around!" is too far gone

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3 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Millions are too far gone.

No doubt. I have no idea why national police organizations don't come out vocal about availability assault weapons. Makes no sense to me. I know police orgs tend to be right-leaning, but damn you think if you were a cop you'd do whatever you could to not have to face a weapon like that on the street.

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3 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

No doubt. I have no idea why national police organizations don't come out vocal about availability assault weapons. Makes no sense to me. I know police orgs tend to be right-leaning, but damn you think if you were a cop you'd do whatever you could to not have to face a weapon like that on the street.

I believe a lot of police organizations are for gun control with the IACP historically being for a federal ban on assault weapons. I believe the National Sheriff's Association is a mixed bag. The IACP represents police forces in cities with the NSA representing a mix of small town and large county jurisdictions. It makes sense that an organization representing city cops would be more gun control than an org with a mix of Harris County and Midland County Sheriff departments.

 

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9 hours ago, Satchel said:

Millions are too far gone.

They don’t give a shit. You’re trying to reason with a toddler and their favorite toy. They don’t give a fuck if others die. As long as they get to keep their toys. 

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5 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"The officers were shot multiple times but fortunately will all survive. Two civilians were killed."

Whew!!!

Well, yeah.  Cops are worth way more than regular people.  Do we even know if the civilians were white?

Also, seeing this thread bumped early on July 4th made my heart skip a beat.  I've got a bad feeling about today.

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“Hey mom I can hear the fireworks!”

”No sweetie that’s just the neighbors being slaughtered in another instance of America’s real national pastime.  Now go back to watching your iPad. Mommy tryna drink to drown out the demons.”

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14 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

No doubt. I have no idea why national police organizations don't come out vocal about availability assault weapons. Makes no sense to me. I know police orgs tend to be right-leaning, but damn you think if you were a cop you'd do whatever you could to not have to face a weapon like that on the street.

You are right, but then this is the age of eagerly joining the leopards eating peoples' faces party.  

Acevedo came out pretty strong against Abbott and his open carry, no permit required shit.  Here's a recent interview.  Of course, he's like Kaepernick, unemployable because of his beliefs, but nevertheless:  

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/08/1103652959/how-law-enforcement-could-be-affected-by-bipartisan-gun-reform-laws

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LEILA FADEL, HOST:

A bipartisan group of U.S. senators is hoping to finalize a deal on new gun laws by the end of the week. Actor Matthew McConaughey, whose hometown is Uvalde, Texas, is among some high-profile visitors to Washington who are asking Congress to act and act now.

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MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Can both sides rise above? Can both sides see beyond the political problem at hand and admit that we have a life preservation problem on our hands?

FADEL: The proposals being negotiated on Capitol Hill are not expected to include an assault weapons ban like President Biden wants, but they could incentivize state red flag laws, strengthen mental health programs and expand background checks. What would the proposed measures mean for law enforcement? Joining us is Art Acevedo, former chief of police in Austin, Houston and Miami. Good morning.

ART ACEVEDO: Hey, good morning. How are you?

FADEL: I'm doing all right. I hope you are, too.

ACEVEDO: I am. Thank you.

FADEL: How difficult is it for law enforcement to do its job when civilians can be fully armed on the street in places like Texas, where you served as a police chief for many years?

ACEVEDO: It's very difficult. I mean, it's akin to actually working, patrolling, trying to keep the American people safe with one hand behind your back.

FADEL: When I think about Uvalde, police didn't go into the classroom for a long time, in part because the gunman had an assault rifle, and he could shoot a lot of people quickly. And yet an assault weapons ban isn't on the table in these negotiations. So I want to ask you, how do police deal with civilians carrying around these military-style weapons?

ACEVEDO: You know, it's difficult. It's dangerous. There's a reason why police officers are getting killed at a higher rate and why these mass shootings are occurring. And the weapon of choice of the - is the AR-15, a semiautomatic long rifle. And it's next to impossible for officers. The rounds are very dangerous. They're very damaging, and it's very difficult to survive these attacks. And so, you know, we need to do a much better job. We need some political courage, and we need to keep these firearms in the hands of law-abiding Americans with sound minds. And if nothing else, if you're not going to get rid of them, if you're not going to ban them, at least raise the age to 21. We know that there's a law that would have made a difference in Buffalo and in Uvalde. And so that's what Republicans have said don't exist. And there's two examples right there of a law that could have made a difference.

FADEL: So would red flag laws and expanded background checks, which are on the table, help police stop gun violence?

ACEVEDO: Absolutely. I mean, if we enhanced the background checks, if we closed the Charleston loophole with - from three days to do the backgrounds to 10 days, there'll be tens of thousands of prohibited purchasers that won't be able to get handguns or other firearms, and we will be able to save lives. And at the end of the day, that's the No. 1 reason we form communities and governments, is to safeguard the lives, the well-being of the American people. And we are failing them. We're failing children. We're failing teachers. We're failing shoppers. We're failing theatregoers. And I believe the lives of the Americans are more important than the political lives of the politicians not wanting to do their jobs.

FADEL: What would be on your wish list for laws that would help law enforcement fight gun violence?

ACEVEDO: It's not just my wish list. I mean, I think McConaughey got it right. It's in the wish list of most Americans. It's enhanced backgrounds, red flag laws, closing the loophole, 21 years of age at least to get these firearms - so basically the high-caliber long rifles - and also to enforce the laws when people are out actually committing violence every day. We cannot coddle violent criminals. So the quicker we act, the quicker that we're more - best-positioned to actually save lives. And I think until it becomes a litmus test for the American people, we're not going to see the action that needs to be taken to save lives.

FADEL: Do you want a ban on assault weapons?

ACEVEDO: You know what? I can tell you that I personally - I'm a realist. I don't think it's going to happen. So I want to have, on a personal level, a middle ground. But I can tell you the Major Cities Chiefs Association, which I was - I'm the immediate past president of - that's part of their proposal, you know, that - to ban assault rifles. What I don't want is inaction. And that's what we've had for many years. And it's intolerable, and we shouldn't tolerate it as Americans.

FADEL: In the few seconds we have left, do you have hope in the negotiations in Washington right now?

ACEVEDO: We have to hold on to hope. We have no choice. And if 21 innocent lives in school, another 10 in Buffalo and untold others that have happened in the last few weeks and the thousands every year across this country of everyday gun violence don't make a difference, I don't think anything will, and the only way to change it is through the ballot box and the American people, again, making it a litmus test for the people they're electing.

FADEL: Art Acevedo is a former police chief of Austin, Houston and Miami. Thank you for taking the time.

ACEVEDO: Thank you.

 

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