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4th&Five
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Fuck off. You vote for this shit. Explain that to your kids. 

Pancho
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3rd leg of my move from Houston to the Bay Area, and I made it to LA.   I’m just now catching up on the news in my hotel.  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again—I don’t have kids, but this e

royiv
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WTF world are we living in when people are having a discussion about survival rates of certain rounds? People are being terrorized by gun violence and we're discussing which bullet has worse/better ch

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Nivek

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27 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

this is great

the scandal will have tremendous legs

the evil fascist cowards aren't going to get their normal reprieve

everyone who can do so, grab that video and disperse copies before it dissappears

there will be an attempted embargo on that video

My summer child, bless your heart.   You ever hear of the Tuttle raid in Houston?  This shit will get exactly the same treatment, only they won't be lazy enough to allow private investigators to access the building to find out their bullshit.  

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2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Don't be confused here. They don't want to actually fund those things. They just want blame something else besides guns. There is no intention to provide any additional funding for their stupid ideas. 

No Confusion, that's the crazy upside down bubble world Republican voters and politicians live in.  Up is down, and down is up, for at least a news cycle.  The bottom line is it is IMPOSSIBLE to find more than a handful of Republicans with any actual principles at all.  Lip service to everything, action on... nothing.  but trans.. gay.. 

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1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

Our cultural isolationism is just crazy. Amazing how everyone else can learn from mistakes and most of our populace sits around acting like its impossible to find a solution. We absolutely refuse to believe there is a world beyond our borders.

From what I’ve seen, a lot of people aren’t aware that there’s a world beyond their own nose. 

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Just now, SimonBolivar said:

Our cultural isolationism is just crazy. Amazing how everyone else can learn from mistakes and most of our populace sits around acting like its impossible to find a solution. We absolutely refuse to believe there is a world beyond our borders.

Most awesome country EVER!  Nevermind that 1/700th of a town's entire population was just slaughtered in one fell-swoop.  If that same ratio of slaughter happened in NYC (and remember when there WAS a huge single slaughter event in NYC, on 9/11, killed 2,763 in the NYC area), then NYC would have lost 11,736 people in a single slaughter.

We went to war when less than a QUARTER of that amount was killed in NYC.

Today.....we'll do fucking nothing.  Because the enemy is US.

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2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Right, because you and the rest of Gravy Seal Team 6 did such an effective job storming the Capitol back in 2021

How about this...I'd settle for this: how about you fuckholes defend our schoolchildren 1/10th as well as you defend your precious inanimate objects?

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Why is it LEO has no problem busting in doors during no knock warrants or shooting John Q (person of color) Public in a split second and yet in a known active shooter incident when kids are being slaughtered they need to spend 30-45 minutes on an emergency response or incident command set up?

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Just now, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Why is it LEO has no problem busting in doors during no knock warrants or shooting John Q (person of color) Public in a split second and yet in a known active shooter incident when kids are being slaughtered they need to spend 30-45 minutes on an emergency response or incident command set up?

Is that a rhetorical question?

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Nivek

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42 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Our cultural isolationism is just crazy. Amazing how everyone else can learn from mistakes and most of our populace sits around acting like its impossible to find a solution. We absolutely refuse to believe there is a world beyond our borders.

according to the Jimmy Kimmel clip, 90% of the people support a solution.  But one political party doesn't give a fuck. 

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19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

 

 

"its tough.  I should be in my squad car looking at nudey pictures and yet I am here talking with you.  It's tough. Ole Jim back there takes a nap right about now, and Buck is normally beating up a minority right about now while Sam should be out coercing some illegal for a blowjob.  Our swat team was interrupted from watching The Batman to come to this shit and hassle some parents.   We have kids too!  Ours are fine.  But well, we needed the shooter to run out of bullets before we took him down.  Its tough. " 

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Visiting my kid's school used to be like getting inside of a prison. This dude just walked in through an unlocked door? 

(And maybe past an armed officer, depending on which version of the story the police is telling us)

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35 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

To be clear, this is complete speculation but I bet we hear that some of the first responders are soon suspended because they will refuse to cooperate with the investigation.   /speculation.

Suspended?   Hell, they'll get promotions.

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Visiting my kid's school used to be like getting inside of a prison. This dude just walked in through an unlocked door? 

(And maybe past an armed officer, depending on which version of the story the police is telling us)

if there was an armed officer there and he just let the guy in he needs to be locked in a room with those grieving parents for about 40 minutes

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From 2012, but no less relevant today:

 

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2012/12/15/our-moloch/

 

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Few crimes are more harshly forbidden in the Old Testament than sacrifice to the god Moloch (for which see Leviticus 18.21, 20.1-5). The sacrifice referred to was of living children consumed in the fires of offering to Moloch. Ever since then, worship of Moloch has been the sign of a deeply degraded culture. Ancient Romans justified the destruction of Carthage by noting that children were sacrificed to Moloch there. Milton represented Moloch as the first pagan god who joined Satan’s war on humankind:

 

First Moloch, horrid king, besmear’d with blood
Of human sacrifice, and parents’ tears,
Though for the noise of Drums and Timbrels loud
Their children’s cries unheard, that pass’d through fire
To his grim idol. (Paradise Lost 1.392-96)

 

 

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Read again those lines, with recent images seared into our brains—“besmeared with blood” and “parents’ tears.” They give the real meaning of what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning. That horror cannot be blamed just on one unhinged person. It was the sacrifice we as a culture made, and continually make, to our demonic god. We guarantee that crazed man after crazed man will have a flood of killing power readily supplied him. We have to make that offering, out of devotion to our Moloch, our god. The gun is our Moloch. We sacrifice children to him daily—sometimes, as at Sandy Hook, by directly throwing them into the fire-hose of bullets from our protected private killing machines, sometimes by blighting our children’s lives by the death of a parent, a schoolmate, a teacher, a protector. Sometimes this is done by mass killings (eight this year), sometimes by private offerings to the god (thousands this year).

 

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The gun is not a mere tool, a bit of technology, a political issue, a point of debate. It is an object of reverence. Devotion to it precludes interruption with the sacrifices it entails. Like most gods, it does what it will, and cannot be questioned. Its acolytes think it is capable only of good things. It guarantees life and safety and freedom. It even guarantees law. Law grows from it. Then how can law question it?

 

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Its power to do good is matched by its incapacity to do anything wrong. It cannot kill. Thwarting the god is what kills. If it seems to kill, that is only because the god’s bottomless appetite for death has not been adequately fed. The answer to problems caused by guns is more guns, millions of guns, guns everywhere, carried openly, carried secretly, in bars, in churches, in offices, in government buildings. Only the lack of guns can be a curse, not their beneficent omnipresence.

Adoration of Moloch permeates the country, imposing a hushed silence as he works his will. One cannot question his rites, even as the blood is gushing through the idol’s teeth. The White House spokesman invokes the silence of traditional in religious ceremony. “It is not the time” to question Moloch. No time is right for showing disrespect for Moloch.

The fact that the gun is a reverenced god can be seen in its manifold and apparently resistless powers. How do we worship it? Let us count the ways:

1. It has the power to destroy the reasoning process. It forbids making logical connections. We are required to deny that there is any connection between the fact that we have the greatest number of guns in private hands and the greatest number of deaths from them. Denial on this scale always comes from or is protected by religious fundamentalism. Thus do we deny global warming, or evolution, or biblical errancy. Reason is helpless before such abject faith.

2. It has the power to turn all our politicians as a class into invertebrate and mute attendants at the shrine. None dare suggest that Moloch can in any way be reined in without being denounced by the pope of this religion, National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre, as trying to destroy Moloch, to take away all guns. They whimper and say they never entertained such heresy. Many flourish their guns while campaigning, or boast that they have themselves hunted “varmints.” Better that the children die or their lives be blasted than that a politician should risk an election against the dread sentence of NRA excommunication.

3. It has the power to distort our constitutional thinking. It says that the right to “bear arms,” a military term, gives anyone, anywhere in our country, the power to mow down civilians with military weapons. Even the Supreme Court has been cowed, reversing its own long history of recognizing that the Second Amendment applied to militias. Now the court feels bound to guarantee that any every madman can indulge his “religion” of slaughter. Moloch brooks no dissent, even from the highest court in the land.

Though LaPierre is the pope of this religion, its most successful Peter the Hermit, preaching the crusade for Moloch, was Charlton Heston, a symbol of the Americanism of loving guns. I have often thought that we should raise a statue of Heston at each of the many sites of multiple murders around our land. We would soon have armies of statues, whole droves of Heston acolytes standing sentry at the shrines of Moloch dotting the landscape. Molochism is the one religion that can never be separated from the state. The state itself bows down to Moloch, and protects the sacrifices made to him. So let us celebrate the falling bodies and rising statues as a demonstration of our fealty, our bondage, to the great god Gun.

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

I don’t trust anything any LEO has said or will ever say about what happened. We’ll most likely never know the entire story.

They are in complete CYA mode now.  Wouldn't be surprised if the police chief has lawyered up.  

Has it been addressed why the town was forced to rely on the Border Patrol's tactical unit and not the city's own SWAT team?  Were they also tasked with pepper spraying parents?  I haven't seen that answered anywhere but where else could they have been?

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