Active shooter thread

[David Dennison 18651]

24 minutes ago, Red Five said:

They will talk slightly louder for a few days about rap music and doors. Then back to nothing. 

Which is why it might be time for left leaning Americans to educate themselves on the proper use and handling of firearms.

Edited June 5, 2022 by David Dennison

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13546]

14 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

And the LEO who called to threaten her for spending publicly should face a section 1983 claim.
Cops are worthless. They are a net negative. Their action - or lack thereof - literally got kids killed. We’d have been better off if the parents were in charge of the rescue effort.
Good guys with guns my ass.

The police response to this mass murder just keeps getting better and better.

[washparkhorn 9935]

31 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Which is why it might be time for left leaning Americans to educate themselves on the proper use and handling of firearms.

Quite a few I know have made that decision - especially the blueberries surrounded by raspberry soup nazis. They will not go quietly. 

[AnTiM 1659]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

So nothing is going to happen—again. 

What will they do when the next elementary mass shooting occurs? Nothing again? 

 

Thoughts and prayers is the usual response, but my first thought is that prayer does not seem to be working.  My second thought is that the majority of politicians consists of complete morons.

[mchookem 16194]

10 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

of course, that's just perfect

Edited June 5, 2022 by mchookem

[Nice Guy Eddie 13409]

14 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

Part of the plan will be to add as many loopholes in whatever changes are begrudgingly accepted by the gop. My guess is that the fed govt will effectively punt some minimal gun control to the states but adding more protections for gun manufacturers.

And the gop will require any law to recommit to their interpretation of the 2nd amendment. the gop will only agree to something if they feel they are getting more in return. 

[elfenix 34171]

 

[RomaVicta 29775]

15 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/podcasts/the-daily/uvalde-buffalo-gun-control-california.html?smid=url-share
 

Was listening to this the other day and it makes a interesting point.  Gun control laws are like a slice of swiss cheese.  Any one law has lots of holes allowing gun advocates to continually claim “that law wouldn’t stop this particular situation”  or “ that one law wouldn’t end all gun crime!”  But stacking multiple laws (slices) together,  accumulated over time and targeted to different parts of the issue, those holes are greatly reduced to the point of making a meaningful impact.

 

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California Has America’s Toughest Gun Laws, and They Work

As in the “Swiss cheese model” of Covid prevention, a lot of small measures add up.
 

The grotesque toll of gun violence is again being debated in Congress. As Luis Ferré-Sadurní and I reported over the long weekend, states are not holding their breath.

Particularly this state: In ways that have tended to be underreported, California has significantly lowered gun deaths, Dr. Garen J. Wintemute, an emergency room doctor and longtime firearm violence researcher, told me this week.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Dr. Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25 percent less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

 

I asked Dr. Wintemute how California is different. Here’s a lightly edited excerpt from our conversation, which took place on Memorial Day after his emergency room shift:

 

Just a couple of weeks ago, California had a mass shooting. By what measures are our policies a success?

You have to look at it on a population basis. We do have more mass shootings in California, but we’re also by far the largest state. I looked a while ago at the rates of firearm violence across the 21st century — homicide and suicide together — and the rest of the country was up, but California’s rates were so far down that the average was flat.

We always hear that nothing works, that even California’s strict gun laws are ineffective.

That’s because we evaluate policies one at a time, in isolation. The results for one policy might be mixed or even negative. But what California has done over a number of decades has been to enact a whole bundle of policies that I think work in synergy, to measurable effect.

It sounds like the “Swiss cheese model” public health experts have used to address Covid.

Yes. The idea is to prevent the holes in the policies from lining up. But if we rank the states, California’s rate of firearm violence ranks 29th out of 50 states for homicides and 44th for suicides.

Can you share some examples?

California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states.

We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

What else?

In the early 1990s, cheap handguns — “Saturday Night Specials” — were almost entirely manufactured around Los Angeles. It was a few companies making upward of 800,000 cheap handguns a year. So the state imposed standards for design and safety. One of the companies has since gone to Nevada. The rest went belly-up and no one else has come in to fill the gap.

What about gaps?

Every time California sets a new standard, the gun industry tries to outwit it. Unregulated ghost guns have become immensely popular here, precisely because we’re such a tightly regulated market. And the state program to recover guns from prohibited people has never had the level of funding it needs to do the whole job — there are only about 40 trained agents for the whole state and a backlog of at least 10,000 people whose guns need to be taken.
 

Overall, what could the rest of the country learn from California?

The lower the prevalence of ownership, the lower the rate of firearm violence — that’s been one of the most robust research findings for decades. Rates of gun ownership are lower here, in part because of this bundle of state measures. In the United States overall, something like 25 percent to 30 percent of individuals own guns. In California, it’s about 15 percent to 18 percent.

 

 

 

 

 

So very sensible. Sadly, it's refuted so easily:

• What about Charles Manson?
• It's socialist, hippie, gay (NTTAWWT meaning yes there is something wrong with it), wacky California. Puh-lease.
• He ignores the Second Amendment which states all citizens have the responsibility to bear arms at all times.
• I did my own research. He's wrong.
• (Almost forgot) Chicago!!!!!!

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

So nothing is going to happen—again. 

What will they do when the next elementary mass shooting occurs? Nothing again? 

 

Very brave and heroic of Scalise to point the way to addressing this terrible problem. I expect those of his political ilk will lead the charge to amend the Constitution to allow for tight gun laws to help prevent daily mass slaughters in this great country of ours.

The populace will make clear that they almost universally support such a sensible and obvious course of action. Congress acts. States ratify. The shining city on the hill again proves it can correct its errant ways.

Children become proud of their parents. Teachers no longer have to teach slaughter drills. The membership of the NRA elects new leaders who will actually lead the way in making guns a safer presence in our society.

 

Brisket smashes down the door and pokes RomaVicta with a cattle prod. Wake up, nancy-boy, and saddle your unicorn.

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

15 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And the gop will require any law to recommit to their interpretation of the 2nd amendment. the gop will only agree to something if they feel they are getting more in return. 

The GOP definition of compromise is, ‘You give us everything we want and we’ll give you nothing that you want.’ They’ll give up nothing. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

As ever, the image of the GOP in the sandbox huddled around their toys is appropriate. The day they stand on firm ground will never arrive.

[David Dennison 18651]

8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The GOP definition of compromise is, ‘You give us everything we want and we’ll give you nothing that you want.’ They’ll give up nothing. 

Which is why Democrats and folks on the left need to realize gun control is never going to happen.

Plan and act accordingly.

[elfenix 34171]

9 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The GOP definition of compromise is, ‘You give us everything we want and we’ll give you nothing that you want.’ They’ll give up nothing. 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

Let's see what Abbott and company do....

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

Nothing ever happens because Wyoming having the same amount of senators as California is the dumbest fucking idea ever. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

44% of Republicans believe mass shootings are unfortunately something we have to live with in a free society.


4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll (msn.com)

[South Austin 52128]

11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Which is why Democrats and folks on the left need to realize gun control is never going to happen.

Plan and act accordingly.

So we should buy AR-15’s?

[David Dennison 18651]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So we should buy AR-15’s?

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So we should buy AR-15’s?

And we should probably get a tax credit to do so..... it's American!

[Goredho 17345]

7 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

That’s a match made in Aggie heaven.  See if anyone is willing to do this with Kyle Rittinghouse in the corps.

[Blotto 23427]

50 minutes ago, elfenix said:

 

Getting hard to keep up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/us/philadelphia-shooting.html

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Three people were killed and 11 were injured Saturday night in a shooting in downtown Philadelphia, the authorities said.

Police officers were patrolling South Street, a lively area with many restaurants and bars, when “they observed several active shooters shooting into the crowd,” Inspector D.F. Pace of the Philadelphia Police Department said at a news conference early Sunday.

MOAR GUNSSSSSSSSSS, ITS OUR ONLY HOPE

[Red Five 40632]

40 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Nothing ever happens because Wyoming having the same amount of senators as California is the dumbest fucking idea ever. 

The Dakotas have 1.6 million people combined. California has 39 million. The Dakotas have twice as many senators as California. 

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Nothing ever happens because Wyoming having the same amount of senators as California is the dumbest fucking idea ever. 

Not to mention that we don’t need two Dakotas.

Edit: Red Five beat me to it.

Edited June 5, 2022 by WhatTheBuck

[royiv 9148]

18 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Not to mention that we don’t need two Dakotas.

Edit: Red Five beat me to it.

Combine the Dakotas and give DC representation in Congress.

[B00M 6280]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Which is why it might be time for left leaning Americans to educate themselves on the proper use and handling of firearms.

Police are useless, government is useless and in steady decline, protect yourselves. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Dems should load up with a bunch of weapons and Pubs have theirs. Then we could fight a war to decide how to govern in the future. What's there to lose? 

[Burt 4062]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

Wish he'd worked backward from the end of the list.

[Fudge Nuggets 19146]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

Not gonna lie, I would be ok writing off the others if he took out the turtle.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

44% of Republicans believe mass shootings are unfortunately something we have to live with in a free society.


4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll (msn.com)

Death. Cult. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

5 hours ago, Pancho said:

So nothing is going to happen—again. 

What will they do when the next elementary mass shooting occurs? Nothing again? 

 

Wasn’t he the one shot in the softball practice?  Or am I misremembering?  If not, man, that’s a spicy meatball. 

[ultimaton 2966]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wasn’t he the one shot in the softball practice?  Or am I misremembering?  If not, man, that’s a spicy meatball. 

Shot him in the dick

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

44% of Republicans believe mass shootings are unfortunately something we have to live with in a free society.

society probably wasn't that free for the 50k per year that die from a bullet.

 

1 hour ago, B00M said:

Police are useless, government is useless and in steady decline, protect yourselves. 

great gif, we definitely should've told those 3rd graders to protect themselves.

[Nivek 16852]

great gif, we definitely should've told those 3rd graders to protect themselves.

Don’t be ridiculous. Everyone knows that 4th graders are mature enough for firearms, but 3rd graders need flashlights.

[Gap03 3277]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

Police are useless, government is useless and in steady decline, protect yourselves. 

Democrats (and everyone other than the GQP for that matter) are scared of a bunch of brain-dead, batshit crazy, armed to the teeth fucks running around screaming "FReEDoM!!1!  LiBErTY1!!!" at the behest of their leaders and propagandists.

BOOM and the GQP are scared of ... well, fucking EVERYTHING.  And nobody is there to help them because of "useless government" and "useless police" - all while they continue to elect people hell-bent on proving how useless government can be and mindlessly "BaCKiNG tHe BLuE!" no matter how much they abuse their authority and shirk their responsibilities.  

But fuck it - I am leaning toward just getting Civil War II over with.  I don't see how we can unfuck this thing with the GQP's kung fu grip on the courts + such a substantial chunk of rubes (and probably growing, as the GQP continues to try to implode our educational system) who refuse to listen to anything other than their chosen source of propaganda.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

20 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Skeptical it's gonna make a difference

 

it's a start? after they all, the one thing they do consistently is follow the money. whether it's more than the NRA I have no fucking idea

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

oh and anyone who doesn't think the NRA is a front for the Russian mafia isn't fucking paying attention

[Bookman 4610]

You know, I can't think of anything more American than schoolchildren being slaughtered in their own classroom.

It's right up there with apple pie and poor test scores in reading, math, and science.

[henrygandorf 29174]

hmm, ok, how about this.

we make a chart to show republicans how many white kids are getting murdered every year, and then have tucker carlson tell them that this is all part of the plan for the non-whites and their replacement theory.  all dead white children represent future gop votes wasted.

yes, i understand that there are plenty of non-white children getting murdered but we will ignore them on the chart just like republicans ignore them in real life.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33834]

32 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

hmm, ok, how about this.

we make a chart to show republicans how many white kids are getting murdered every year, and then have tucker carlson tell them that this is all part of the plan for the non-whites and their replacement theory.  all dead white children represent future gop votes wasted.

yes, i understand that there are plenty of non-white children getting murdered but we will ignore them on the chart just like republicans ignore them in real life.

dammit, are you in my head? I had this exact thought earlier but when attempting to post it my words were dumb and fumbly so I went and smoked and bowl and came back to read this. Better than what I had, honestly

[Fudge Nuggets 19146]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

it's a start? after they all, the one thing they do consistently is follow the money. whether it's more than the NRA I have no fucking idea

It’s all bullshit.  Remember when all those big corporations said they wouldn’t donate to politicians all up in the Jan 6 shit?  Less than three months later the donations were flowing again.  Same thing here.

[Neonmoon 38127]

45 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

hmm, ok, how about this.

we make a chart to show republicans how many white kids are getting murdered every year, and then have tucker carlson tell them that this is all part of the plan for the non-whites and their replacement theory.  all dead white children represent future gop votes wasted.

yes, i understand that there are plenty of non-white children getting murdered but we will ignore them on the chart just like republicans ignore them in real life.

They don’t fucking care. At All

100 little kids getting shot in the face is just the price to pay so Boom and the GOP to can soldier cosplay. 

[B00M 6280]

1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

Democrats (and everyone other than the GQP for that matter) are scared of a bunch of brain-dead, batshit crazy, armed to the teeth fucks running around screaming "FReEDoM!!1!  LiBErTY1!!!" at the behest of their leaders and propagandists.

BOOM and the GQP are scared of ... well, fucking EVERYTHING.  And nobody is there to help them because of "useless government" and "useless police" - all while they continue to elect people hell-bent on proving how useless government can be and mindlessly "BaCKiNG tHe BLuE!" no matter how much they abuse their authority and shirk their responsibilities.  

But fuck it - I am leaning toward just getting Civil War II over with.  I don't see how we can unfuck this thing with the GQP's kung fu grip on the courts + such a substantial chunk of rubes (and probably growing, as the GQP continues to try to implode our educational system) who refuse to listen to anything other than their chosen source of propaganda.

 

I regularly challenge my Q aligned friend(s) and they make me feel like a leftist on literally everything but the 2nd. 

Scared of everything is cute but false. There are modern tools that nearly everyone has and I simply prefer to be modestly prepared. If someone ever enters my house uninvited, my kids are separated from us, and I have to be able to move toward them with confidence. 

So ... you're chief concern is the psycho right wing militia? Fair.

And your answer to that concern is..? to disarm the people that are willing to turn in their arms?  ..Do you see the issue?

 

 

[David Dennison 18651]

If the right is going to insist on arming itself in a nation that exists under the current interpretation of the Second Amendment, the left might want to take a different approach to firearm proficiency.

[Satchel 6908]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Death. Cult. 

Republicans have a very screwed up idea of what constitutes living freely.

[henrygandorf 29174]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If the right is going to insist on arming itself in a nation that exists under the current interpretation of the Second Amendment, the left might want to take a different approach to firearm proficiency.

guess we should start stuffing ballot boxes and suing abortion enablers too.  fuck it, right?

[B00M 6280]

18 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

They don’t fucking care. At All

100 little kids getting shot in the face is just the price to pay so Boom and the GOP to can soldier cosplay. 

Happy to have a beer with you one day. I'm sure we'd find tons of common ground. 

[David Dennison 18651]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

guess we should start stuffing ballot boxes and suing abortion enablers too.  fuck it, right?

I mean, you don't have to familiarize yourself with firearms if you choose not to, but this is America and gun control isn't happening any time soon.

[henrygandorf 29174]

15 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I mean, you don't have to familiarize yourself with firearms if you choose not to, but this is America and gun control isn't happening any time soon.

i will be forced to defend my family in the event of a home invasion exactly the same amount of times as every gun owner in america.

Edited June 6, 2022 by henrygandorf

[David Dennison 18651]

9 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i will be forced to defend my family in the event of a home invasion exactly the same amount of times of every gun owner in america.

I totally get it. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

19 minutes ago, B00M said:

Happy to have a beer with you one day. I'm sure we'd find tons of common ground. 

Happy to as well. I doubt the common ground part 

[Lurch 5921]

 
If someone ever enters my house uninvited, my kids are separated from us, and I have to be able to move toward them with confidence. 
So ... you're chief concern is the psycho right wing militia? Fair.
And your answer to that concern is..? to disarm the people that are willing to turn in their arms?  ..Do you see the issue?
 
 

This is just not a realistically likely scenario, and in the super fringe infinite-universe instances where it is, what percentage of those times will you be awake, aware and positioned just right vs an intruder?

Alternatively, what’s the likelihood that you or someone in your family faces a mental crisis and uses the gun to harm themselves or others? 10x? 100x more likely?

The home invasion justification is gun manufacturers’ marketing masturbation. It’s the ginsu knife cutting your shoe in half.