Active shooter thread

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

But why?


Fucking soulless ghouls.
 

it’s easier if you don’t read the bills and just do the opposite of what the dems are doing. saves time too. 

[Goredho 17302]

10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

whelp that was fun while it lasted.

 

 

I'm going to assume this is true.  Collectively, the law enforcement response was still an abject failure and the post-incident cover up is still heinous.  Sorry, Joe Moody, people are not going to let their failing government off the hook that easily.

[Guest]

If that is accurate, the entire Punisher logo stuff is still highly inappropriate for a police force to be using and displaying, no matter the circumstances. 

[Captainant 27311]

IMO, I don't trust this PD or TXDPS on this matter. They've materially lied to the public over and over, and have even lied to the local leadership. It's a tragedy if punishercop lost a loved one in a mass shooting that he did nothing to mitigate, but also it's a bit of a fuckup to let something like that happen.

Especially when the local PD gets 40% of the city's budget and loves to post tacticool cosplay range pics. I guess the city was just paying for their range time and toys, with the additional benefit of militarizing their ticket revenue machine

[royiv 9131]

14 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

If that is accurate, the entire Punisher logo stuff is still highly inappropriate for a police force to be using and displaying, no matter the circumstances. 

Especially for a cop that is employed by an ISD. You know, a school district where the job is protecting schools and the children inside those schools.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, royiv said:

Especially for a cop that is employed by an ISD. You know, a school district where the job is protecting schools and the children inside those schools.

Is he a UISD officer? Or UPD?

[royiv 9131]

Just now, FirstTimeCaller said:

Is he a UISD officer? Or UPD?

UCISD. Ruben Ruiz.

[Guest]

Hmm. Hard to tell from the footage, but my first instinct is that they don't look the same in the video and that photo. May just be the hair/beard are different.

[royiv 9131]

13 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Hmm. Hard to tell from the footage, but my first instinct is that they don't look the same in the video and that photo. May just be the hair/beard are different.

Look at the patch on his uniform. It's a UCISD PD patch.

This:

Versus This:

[NameAlreadyInUse 5104]

17 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

But why?


Fucking soulless ghouls.
 

Because Republicans have figured out that the less information you have, the easier you are to control.  

[henrygandorf 29174]

20 hours ago, Anastasis said:

whelp that was fun while it lasted.

 

 

none of it is fun.

i don't care what the cops did or didn't do.  they collectively acted like pussies, we know that.  i don't care what their political affiliation is.  i don't care that people think this update allows others to "dunk" or "drag" people on twitter.

i don't care if the shooter was a trumper or antifa or antifa posing as a trumper.  i don't care what parades or marches or rallies he attended.  i don't care what is on his instagram or twitter history.  i don't care to look after a shooting to see what political side is or is not represented to determine or confirm how i am supposed to feel or act towards others.

context. doesn't. fucking. matter.

it's the guns.

[RomaVicta 29756]

Why are you all politicizing this tragedy? Shame on you! Now is the time to pray for the families and keep them in our thoughts. Let's chip in and buy some teddy bears and flowers to lay in front of the school.

Let's provide counseling for the survivors including the police who were there actually hearing the gunfire. They were heroes standing in the hall under such dangerous conditions.

You libs are so evil.

Edited July 15, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Covri 6229]

20 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Why are you all politicizing this tragedy? Shame on you! Now is the time to pray for the families and keep them in our thoughts. Let's chip in and buy some teddy bears and flowers to lay in front of the school.

Let's provide counseling for the survivors including the police who were there actually hearing the gunfire. They were heroes standing in the hall under such dangerous conditions.

You libs are so evil.

[Bullneck 18976]

 

 

[Degenerate Gardner 4081]

3 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Because Republicans have figured out that the less information you have, the easier you are to control.  

That’s not exactly true. Sometimes it’s helpful to have bad information, because evil libs, ends justify the means, etc. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

Story about a mass shooting that may have been prevented at the Galleria in Houston in Feb. Downside is the potential shooter was only sentenced with a disorderly conduct misdemeanor that gives him 6 months for walking around the Galleria with this:

 

He also got another year in jail for failing to appear in court. He's an Argentinian citizen so he may face deportation after his sentence.

The defendant said he was afraid of his neighbors and ex-girlfriend and that the police wouldn't help him. After his arrest and release, he missed a court date. He was apprehended at the local FBI office, when he showed up armed because he had a "scheduled meeting with the FBI director."  Abbott and Patrick don't have any mental health laws on the books to deal with this guy.

Sadly, this guy could argue that he didn't break any laws until he failed to show at court. It's not against the law to walk around with this arsenal.

FYI, HPD did their job in quickly apprehending this guy at the Galleria when he was reported. While unknown he may have been heading to a nearby dance competition at the mall. He also carried a bible that had a bookmark on Sodom and Gomorrah. Also wearing a Punisher logo tshirt. 

full story: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Authorities-mass-shooting-Galleria-FBI-17306567.php?sid=5eb35f0cd14307791d11019c&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=news_a&utm_campaign=HC_MorningReport

[Bullneck 18976]

On 7/13/2022 at 2:02 PM, Mdhorn said:

This is what gun freedom looks like:

Cells for children.  The anti-mask freedom crowd should also be proud.

No wonder there's no money for school supplies. 

So I googled "child safety pods."  They come in individual size, and double as desks during non-active shooter times.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Bullneck

[Dahobbs 17420]

18 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Story about a mass shooting that may have been prevented at the Galleria in Houston in Feb. Downside is the potential shooter was only sentenced with a disorderly conduct misdemeanor that gives him 6 months for walking around the Galleria with this:

 

He also got another year in jail for failing to appear in court. He's an Argentinian citizen so he may face deportation after his sentence.

The defendant said he was afraid of his neighbors and ex-girlfriend and that the police wouldn't help him. After his arrest and release, he missed a court date. He was apprehended at the local FBI office, when he showed up armed because he had a "scheduled meeting with the FBI director."  Abbott and Patrick don't have any mental health laws on the books to deal with this guy.

Sadly, this guy could argue that he didn't break any laws until he failed to show at court. It's not against the law to walk around with this arsenal.

FYI, HPD did their job in quickly apprehending this guy at the Galleria when he was reported. While unknown he may have been heading to a nearby dance competition at the mall. He also carried a bible that had a bookmark on Sodom and Gomorrah. Also wearing a Punisher logo tshirt. 

full story: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Authorities-mass-shooting-Galleria-FBI-17306567.php?sid=5eb35f0cd14307791d11019c&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=news_a&utm_campaign=HC_MorningReport

I fucking hate the Chronicle pay wall. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I fucking hate the Chronicle pay wall. 

free link: https://archive.ph/94olK

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

No wonder there's no money for school supplies. 

So I googled "child safety pods."  They come in individual size, and double as desks during non-active shooter times.

in 20 years, zoom will be so sophisticated that children will be sitting in a station at home and a hologram of them will be at their desk in a virtual school.  

no children will actually physically step foot on campus. this makes more sense to the gop than slightly altering gun laws. and children will continue to grow up with no social skills and society will continue to crumble.

it’s like a black mirror episode. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

in 20 years, zoom will be so sophisticated that children will be sitting in a station at home and a hologram of them will be at their desk in a virtual school.  

no children will actually physically step foot on campus. this makes more sense to the gop than slightly altering gun laws. and children will continue to grow up with no social skills and society will continue to crumble.

it’s like a black mirror episode. 

Why have 10,000 5th math teachers when you can have 1 teacher that leads the Zoom session for the entire state. It would require many teacher aides to assist 1-on-1 with the students but those aides are cheaper.  And it's also easy for the state to control the politically sensitive lessons when you only have a handful of teachers for the entire state.

[henrygandorf 29174]

7 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Why have 10,000 5th math teachers when you can have 1 teacher that leads the Zoom session for the entire state. It would require many teacher aides to assist 1-on-1 with the students but those aides are cheaper.  And it's also easy for the state to control the politically sensitive lessons when you only have a handful of teachers for the entire state.

did we just reinvent the entire educational system?

[hayden_horn 11360]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

did we just reinvent the entire educational system?

nah, peleton did that

[HornPhD 1361]

30 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

in 20 years, zoom will be so sophisticated that children will be sitting in a station at home and a hologram of them will be at their desk in a virtual school.  

no children will actually physically step foot on campus. this makes more sense to the gop than slightly altering gun laws. and children will continue to grow up with no social skills and society will continue to crumble.

it’s like a black mirror episode. 

Elite private schools will still have in-person instruction. The country needs educated leaders. 

[royiv 9131]

1 minute ago, HornPhD said:

The country needs educated leaders. 

Lauren Boebert disagrees.

[HornPhD 1361]

2 hours ago, royiv said:

Lauren Boebert disagrees.

In the future, people like her will get the shitty online education to prepare them for following orders from the real leaders. 

[Aqua Buddha 14489]

On 7/13/2022 at 10:08 PM, Anastasis said:

whelp that was fun while it lasted.

 

 

"Hey, your wife is in there dying.  If only there was a good guy with a gun here."

[Dnaguy 11740]

38 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

"Hey, your wife is in there dying.  If only there was a good guy with a gun here."

New phone. Who dis?

[hookemATL 11596]

Dying wife: “Honey help me I’ve been shot and I’m dying”

Shitbag pussy cop: Godfuckingdammit this bitch is always calling with her bullshit when I’m at work. How many fuckin times with this shit!

[Aqua Buddha 14489]

I like how many of these cops are overweight/obese.

[4th&Five 41457]

Edited July 17, 2022 by 4th&Five

[Brisketexan 104465]

Summary: as a society, we failed at every step of this story, from the beginning to the end. Starting with the guns, to damn near purposefully ignoring or ensuring that there was no way to act on the 10,000 red flags the shooter put up, to the response. At every single juncture, we failed.

And this is our society working AS DESIGNED AND INTENDED. “Greatest country in the world!!!!!”

[Bullneck 18976]

24 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Color me surprised anything negative actually was published.  

Edited July 17, 2022 by Bullneck

[Guest]

"The committee also refutes a significant revelation included in a report published last week by the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at Texas State University. That report stated that a Uvalde Police Department Officer with a rifle had an opportunity to shoot the gunman before he entered the school. However, when he asked a supervisor for permission to fire he never received a response and the gunman slipped into the school.

The committee noted that the ALERRT staff conducted no investigation on their own and relied entirely on information supplied by the Department of Public Safety. The committee concluded that the person the Uvalde officer saw was a coach who was ushering children inside, and found no evidence that any law enforcement personnel had a chance to engage the gunman outside the school."

Good god. Six weeks after and disinformation was still being reported.

 

[Guest]

"Yet the report concludes with a somber finding: Because the gunman fired the majority of his rounds before police arrived inside the school, about 100 in the space of three minutes, whether the death toll would have been lower had police breached the classrooms immediately is unknown."

This. The police response is a big deal, but ultimately doesn't matter as long as someone can buy a gun and that weapon can put 100 rounds into a classroom of fourth graders within three minutes.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

Color me surprised anything negative actually was published.  

That line about the Alamo is a great one from the Texas Tribune. 

Remember Goliad
Remember the Alamo
Remember Luby's in Kileen
Remember Dallas
Remember Santa Fe
Remember Midland/Odessa
Remember El Paso
Remember Sutherland Springs
Remember Uvalde

Gee, Texas leaders, you think there might be a problem? Quit being soft on massacres.

[Brisketexan 104465]

"Yet the report concludes with a somber finding: Because the gunman fired the majority of his rounds before police arrived inside the school, about 100 in the space of three minutes, whether the death toll would have been lower had police breached the classrooms immediately is unknown."
This. The police response is a big deal, but ultimately doesn't matter as long as someone can buy a gun and that weapon can put 100 rounds into a classroom of fourth graders within three minutes.
 

You seem to have mistyped “ISN’T ALL OF THIS FREEDOM AWESOME?!?!?!”

[Biff Tannen 45477]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Remember Luby's in Kileen

I remember this being a HUGE fucking deal at the time.  Now it's a footnote.

[956 Worldwide 34314]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I remember this being a HUGE fucking deal at the time.  Now it's a footnote.

That Luby’s shooting was a huge deal and was a catalyst for changing gun laws in Texas to where we are now.  So many people bought into the idea that the gunman could have been dropped if someone was carrying. One of the survivors was big into lobbying for CC when it got passed under W. 

[Brisketexan 104465]

That Luby’s shooting was a huge deal and was a catalyst for changing gun laws in Texas to where we are now.  So many people bought into the idea that the gunman could have been dropped if someone was carrying. One of the survivors was big into lobbying for CC when it got passed under W. 

Yep. Luby’s was the big argument point for “we need good guys with guns everywhere!”
Now we see that several hundred good guys with guns doesn’t make a shit.
Maybe….just maybe….the problem has something to do with all the guns.

[HenryJames 65868]

Is that a lot?

[Guest]

Well with 400 on the scene, it took 77 minutes. So if you wanted this to end within 5 minutes, then you'd need about 15 times more officers by my calculation (77/5 =15.4) -- or about 6,200 officers.

 

 

 

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

400???

FOUR FUCKING HUNDRED???????

Where’s the boot licking pig apologist who was blathering on about the pigs being “outgunned”????

FOUR

FUCKING

HUNDRED

COPS

[jimmyjazz 45513]

Let's cast this in the light of the US military:

 

Colonel Badass:  Son, how many enemy soldiers are over that hill?

2nd Lt. Greenhorn:  Sir, there are approximately 8 enemy soldiers over that hill.

Colonel Badass:  And we have how many men on this side of the hill?

2nd Lt. Greenhorn:  Sir, we have approximately 3,200 men on this side of the hill.

Colonel Badass:  Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING RIGHT NOW?

 

[4th&Five 41457]

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is more than 400 good guys with a gun. 

[Red Five 40593]

Now I'm no cop. But what if, someone throws a rock through one of the back windows. When the shooter focuses his attention on the window, come through the front door and shoot him. Or a million other ways of distracting him briefly. 

Maybe that's what they ultimately did, I don't know.

[TexEx15 17444]

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Is that a lot?

i wonder how many of them were thinking "i hope this guy goes ahead and shoots himself so that we don't have to risk it"?  i'm gonna assume all of them until proven otherwise.

[Guest]

Just watched the replay of the press conference. The report itself actually goes into the purchase of the weapon, ammunition, body armor, etc. How he did it, and how he did it legally. The entire narrative of the conference and the media questions were about doors and police officers. So frustrating.

I thought one person was going to steer it to the availability of these weapons of war when she asked about how the report says most of the victims were likely dead even before law enforcement entered the building. Instead, she just asked how they knew that information.

And then they end the press conference because they had to go to mass instead of answering questions from the community. There was some strong heckling as they left.

[B00M 6278]

4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Is that a lot?

Hold please. Once a few more arrive, they'll have sufficient numbers to restrain all of the parents