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Fuck off. You vote for this shit. Explain that to your kids. 

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3rd leg of my move from Houston to the Bay Area, and I made it to LA.   I’m just now catching up on the news in my hotel.  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again—I don’t have kids, but this e

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Houston had a gun buyback event on Saturday. 845 guns, nearly $100,000 in gift cards.

50 dollars if it was broke or POS

100 for rifles

150 for handguns 

200 for fully automatic firearm. (an auto-loading firearm that continuously chambers and fires rounds when the trigger mechanism is actuated)

Was a no questions asked policy. There were people going around officers attempting to offer more than the police, which was not illegal, and laughable.

https://www.khou.com/amp/article/news/local/houston-gun-buyback-program/285-a10fed44-3e03-43ef-a924-8588f9ac35af

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The tonedeafness of fatty to use the mass shooting thread as his "bitch about stupid gun control" thread is pretty incredible. Yeah no shit gun buybacks are stupid - a dude printed out hundreds of 3D printed guns and made like $10k off them at the buyback. What's your fucking point? That because this measure is stupid and hamfisted, then all gun control must be as well?

I get that it's a fun thing to hyuk it up and goof on, but this really is a pretty shitty thread to do it in. I'd bet you wouldn't say that shit around one of the Uvalde parents.

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The tonedeafness of fatty to use the mass shooting thread as his "bitch about stupid gun control" thread is pretty incredible. Yeah no shit gun buybacks are stupid - a dude printed out hundreds of 3D printed guns and made like $10k off them at the buyback. What's your fucking point? That because this measure is stupid and hamfisted, then all gun control must be as well?

I get that it's a fun thing to hyuk it up and goof on, but this really is a pretty shitty thread to do it in. I'd bet you wouldn't say that shit around one of the Uvalde parents.

Well cunt, you’ll notice I’m not the one who posted about it first. But yes, any and every time Democrats step on their dick it will be funny to me.  Your attempt to tie it to Uvalde in any shape or fashion is weak, and you should feel bad.  

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On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who are beginning to successfully fight the lunacy:

An NRA charity planned to raffle an AR-15 at a Texas event. Then Uvalde families protested and the group lost its site

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(CNN)A fundraiser for a charity affiliated with the powerful National Rifle Association won't be held as planned Saturday at a municipal facility in Texas after relatives of children slaughtered in May at an elementary school some 40 miles away lobbied city council members to deny the event its venue.

As some attendees held photos of Robb Elementary School shooting victims, the Hondo City Council voted 4-to-1 Monday to revoke a rental agreement that would have allowed members of the Medina Area Friends of NRA to hold a fundraiser at a site owned by the city of about 8,000 residents. The move came as the carnage in nearby Uvalde -- the most deadly US school shooting in nearly a decade -- has reignited debate over US gun laws and public safety.

Before Monday's vote, Jazmin Cazares, whose sister died in the Uvalde massacre, addressed council members, naming each Uvalde victim -- 19 fourth-graders and two teachers -- and describing how at least some survivors would perceive the NRA charity event publicized as including a gun raffle with a chance at an AR-15, the group's Facebook page states.


Investigators found one of the 18-year-old Uvalde shooter's AR-15-style rifles in the school after law enforcement killed him.
"It is a slap in the face to all of Uvalde, especially the ones that lost a loved one, some of us being here today. What's an even harder slap in the face is the AR-15 you get if you donate $5,000 to the NRA," she said. "What you guys decide to do next with this NRA meeting either proves me right or proves me wrong about how I feel about Hondo."


Nikki Cross, whose relative Uziyah Garcia was among those killed at Robb Elementary, was "not here protesting the NRA or anything like that," she said. "I am just here asking your community to take into consideration it's only been two months for us."
"What happened to 'love thy neighbor?' Is that not a thing here? The specific gun that they are giving away in this, what if that falls into the hands of another angry 18-year-old? Then it could be your children that are at risk, and we would stand with you. I am just asking that you postpone it. Give us time to grieve. We are going through enough already," she added.


Just days after the Uvalde mass shooting, the NRA hosted its annual convention in Houston, with former President Donald Trump and other GOP leaders rejecting nationwide efforts to overhaul gun laws and mocking Democrats and activists calling for change.

The foundation that had planned the Hondo event is "not the NRA. Although affiliated, the foundation is a separate legal entity. All the Friends of NRA foundation does is raise funds in furtherance of their charitable and educational mission," Sandy Steubing, a Hondo resident and volunteer with the charity, said Monday.


The annual Medina Area Friends of NRA event has taken place in August for 15 years, "and we've been planning this event since March," she added. The group did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment.


Another Texan, identified as Hank C. during public comments, defended the "constitutionally protected event."
"There is no reason for you all to sit up here and vote on it. This is still America, isn't it?" he told council members. "I don't even understand why we are having this conversation, guys. Guns aren't going away."


But he was interrupted by Angel Garza, whose daughter Amerie Jo Garza, was slain at Robb Elementary.
"You have no f**king clue. You have no right to tell us how to feel. You have no right to tell us how to feel. I am stepping out. I am walking out," said the man, who noted his "daughter died still calling me Daddy; she wasn't even old enough to get to the stage to call me Dad."
"You don't know what we are going through. Nobody in this room has a right to tell us how to feel," he added as he left the room.
Council members adjourned to executive session to vote, then returned to announce their decision.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/us/hondo-texas-nra-fundraiser/index.html

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Good for them. I wish there was a better way to be informed about stuff like this going on. Would love to be there to support.

I went to the March for our Lives rally at the Capitol and Jazmin Cazares and her parents were there. By far the most powerful voice of everyone who spoke. I hope that she continues to stay involved. Her sister's 10th birthday was the day before the rally. 

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4 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who are beginning to successfully fight the lunacy:

An NRA charity planned to raffle an AR-15 at a Texas event. Then Uvalde families protested and the group lost its site

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/us/hondo-texas-nra-fundraiser/index.html

Don’t look now, but it looks like sleepy little hamlets in South Texas are becoming (wait for it) woke!

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35 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:
Looks like a single shooter with a specific target.

Wife and daughter are locked in an American Eagle storeroom waiting for the all clear.  Safe behind multiple locked gates and doors, but fuck.

Wait . . . YOUR wife and daughter?

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42 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

Looks like a single shooter with a specific target.

Wife and daughter are locked in an American Eagle storeroom waiting for the all clear.  Safe behind multiple locked gates and doors, but fuck.

 

YOUR wife and daughter?  Fuck.

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Yes.  My wife and 14 year-old daughter.  They're still in the storeroom of American Eagle on the 1st floor.  Shooting was at Nike on the 2nd.

 

Keep us updated.  I didn't flash to your original post when you said "wife and daughter" -- I thought you were referring to random people still stuck in the mall.

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This is our America folks.

As the dust is settling, I think the thing that gets me the most is how calm my daughter was when she called me to tell me what was happening.  On one hand I'm happy about that.  But on the other.... fuck that.  In a sane world, a 14 year old girl wouldn't be taking this in stride. She'd be freaked the fuck out.

It's normalized.

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5 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

This is our America folks.

As the dust is settling, I think the thing that gets me the most is how calm my daughter was when she called me to tell me what was happening.  On one hand I'm happy about that.  But on the other.... fuck that.  In a sane world, a 14 year old girl wouldn't be taking this in stride. She'd be freaked the fuck out.

It's normalized.

Man, I hear you.  I would have the exact same reaction, and I'd be struggling to hold my shit together not to scare her or your wife.

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sickening.. literally made me nauseous reading this

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/us/parkland-shooting-sentencing-massacre-scene/index.html

 

CNN — 

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School’s 1200 building has been sealed since the massacre on February 14, 2018.

On Thursday, jurors in the sentencing phase of the school shooter’s trial walked through the undisturbed scene, where the blood of the victims still stains classroom floors.

Bullet holes also mark the walls of the Parkland, Florida, school where Nikolas Cruz killed 14 students and three staff members.

A lock of dark hair remains on a floor more than four years after the body of a victim was taken away. Valentine’s Day gifts and cards are strewn about, as shards of glass crunched beneath of the feet of visitors.

These are the unsettling notes from a group of reporters allowed to enter the building after jurors completed their walk-through to provide details to media outlets across the country, including CNN.

FIRST FLOOR

We entered from the east stairwell just as Cruz did. In the stairwell where Cruz entered and assembled his gun, a stuffed white teddy bear lay dirtied on the floor next to a bag with Valentine’s Hearts on it, probably dropped by a fleeing student.

Everywhere you walk throughout the building there are shards of broken safety glass that crunch loudly as you walk over them. They are especially loud and crunchy in the threshold of each door.

ROOM 1218

Brittany Sinitch’s English class: No one was killed or wounded here, but this is where Cruz fired first his shots. Textbooks on the desks were open to a section discussing Mercutio. A Valentine’s teddy bear was on a desk. A 2017 Stoneman Douglas football poster was on the wall – photo of the team with the motto: Faith Family Football. A pink note wishing a Happy Valentine’s Day sat on a desk next to a worksheet belonging to student Sarah Louis. A clear plastic drink cup sat half-full on a desk, its contents now a dark brown sludge. On a desk a Valentine’s Day card that reads “I don’t just like you, I really, really like you.”

ROOM 1215

Study Hall led by Spanish teacher Juletta Matlock: There is dried blood outside the door where Luke Hoyer, Martin Duque and Gina Montalto were killed. Just inside the door, some earphones with a long cord lay on the floor. The book “To Kill a Mockingbird” remains on a desk. On the wall is a poster titled “Let’s Guac About It” with basic Spanish words: Padre, Madre, Abuelo, Abuela.” On another wall is a poster of common Spanish phrases and colors.

ROOM 1213 – Ronit Reoven’s AP Psychology class:

On the far wall away from the door is a table with a large pool of blood. This is where Carmen Schentrup died from a bullet wound to the head. She and the children hid behind the teacher’s desk, which is in the southeast corner of the room. In front of the desk where Maddy Wilford lay wounded, the teacher’s desk phone lay on the floor. On the walls behind the desk are photos of what appears to be the teacher’s family and a 8 X 10 drawing of President Trump with the saying “We will win in everything we do.” On the north wall is a bulletin board with about two dozen wallet size photos of students. A lone white sneaker remains on the floor.

HALLWAY - HIXON SITE

Hixon, after he was shot dashing through the west door, took cover in an alcove in front of the elevator about 20 feet from the door. Cruz shot him a second time as he passed, but he remained alive and spent about 10 minutes trying to get up, according to video played in court. There is a large bloodstain on the floor and on the wall. A black rubber shoe, possibly, a Croc, lay on the floor there.

Room 1214 – “The Holocaust Room” - Teacher Ivy Schamis’ room

She taught Holocaust Studies. This is where Nick Dworet and Helena Ramsay died.

On the whiteboard is the hashtag #TogetherWeRemember. There are also references to eyewitness accounts. On a table are two yellowed Sun Sentinel newspapers, there are bullet strike marks on desks, laptops still open, headphones, and a water bottle still on a desk. On the floor is a tossed 2017-2018 school year planner. Blood-stained markings where Dworet and Ramsay died. Their blood coats a book called “Tell Them We Remember” by Susan Bachrach and “Listen to the Wind” by Greg Mortenson There is a Holocaust sign on a bulletin board with the words “we will never forget”. One desk had a white plug and earbuds on top. Indicating the rapid way everything unfolded

The learning objective on the board “To be aware of the world and its surroundings.”

Room 1216

No one classroom had as many of the murdered and wounded as Dara Hass’ English class. A blue folder with Alaina Petty’s name still on the desk - right behind that - between the teacher’s desk and the wall is a large bloodstain. Bullet holes in the walls.

Right next to the bloodstain on the floor where Alyssa Alhadeff and Alaina Petty died - is a handwritten paper about Malala Yousafzai - “the girl who wanted to go to school” - the paper goes on to say “a bullet went straight to her head but not her brain” ending with “In conclusion, we the people should have freedom for education.”

(Note: Malala is the Pakistani girl who was shot by the Taliban - she has fought to advocate for education access for girls and women).

Essays written by the students remain on their desks, never to be recovered. “We go to school every day of the week and we take it all for granted,” one student wrote. “We cry and complain without knowing how lucky we are to be able to learn.”

On cabinet doors, a previous assignment is on display. It shows headstones with epitaphs written by the students.

“R.I.P. Here lies pretty.”

“R.I.P. Here lies funny.”

“R.I.P. Here lies nice.”

Next to a shoe on the ground is a pink Valentine’s Day stuffed animal and balloons.

The pooling of blood looks aged, dark, caked, flaky.

Desks are covered in a thin layer of dust, a landline phone lays upside on the ground.

At Alex Schachter’s desk - a bloodstain on other side of silver bar that connects the plastic seat to the desk.

WEST STAIRWELL

Near west stairs - where Hixon was shot - there is a discarded shoe.

SECOND FLOOR - HALLWAY QUOTES

Quote on hallway between rooms 1221 and 1229

“Dream as if you’ll live forever, live as if you’ll die today.” -James Dean

Further down the hallway it reads:

“Never live in the past but always Lear form it.” - anonymous

Room 1230

A large heart shaped box of Valentine’s Day chocolates on a desk.

On another an open pen and pencil case.

Room 1232

Calculators still on desks, spiral notebooks still open to math subject, students were working on algebra problems.

Room 1231

Clustered Desks

“Class of 2018” photos of students in casual settings (not formal pics).

THIRD FLOOR

Room 1256, Scott Beigel’s classroom:

Entering the hallway from the east side stairs, the first thing you see is a pool of caked blood that’s much smaller than others. This is where Scott Beigel’s body fell in front of classroom 1256. Unlike other rooms, the window on his door is intact. Beigel died holding the door open. His body blocked the door from closing. The children hiding in the front of his room were vulnerable, but Cruz did not choose to enter it.

Plastic world maps about the size of a placemat on most desks. There were three wall clocks lying face down by the door. On Beigel’s desk were worksheets comparing Christianity and Islam. On the whiteboard, notes on the 2018 Winter Olympics medal-winners. A deflated Valentine’s Day balloon lay on the ground.

Room 1255, Stacey Lippel’s classroom:

The door is pushed open – like others to signify that Cruz shot into it – and a “No Bully Zone” hangs on the inside. The creative writing assignment for the day is written on the whiteboard: “How to write the perfect love letter.”

The teacher’s desk is to the left and one can imagine students huddled behind it. The desks are in disarray, some pushed on top of each other from what was described in testimony as a mad rush back to get back inside. Atop one desk is an enviable Valentine’s Day spread – a large gift bag with tissues stuffed inside it, a box of round, silver-wrapped candies, and a heart-shaped box.

Moving down the hallway, dry, cracked rose petals mixed with the glass shards lend a cinematic feel to the scene. There’s a large pool of blood in the middle of the third-floor hallway where Anthony Borges was injured. A sign above the water fountains has a quote from Star Wars’ Yoda: “Do or do not. There is no try.”

Beneath the water fountains, three large pools of dried blood mark the spots to where authorities dragged the bodies of Cara Loughran, Meadow Pollack, and Joaquin Oliver. A faint trail of blood traces the path of the girls’ bodies from the alcove where their bodies fell after being shot. A pool of blood is observed in the alcove outside 1249 where Pollack and Loughran died. They remained there, injured, after the rest of the group that was huddled in the alcove with Ernie Rospierski fled down the hallway. Then Cruz returned and shot them again.

ROOM 1249, Ernie Rospierski

There is an unfinished chess game. A friend of Peter Yang testified they were playing a game when the fire alarm went off.

Room 1250

Valentine’s Day balloons, flower petals, stuffed white bear.

One of the most disturbing sights is the alcove outside the bathroom where Joaquin Oliver died. There’s a large pool of blood and holes from bullets that were fired at him at close range. There are blood drops leading into the alcove from the first shots where he was wounded. But most of the blood is from when Cruz caught up to Oliver in the alcove and fired. We know from the evidence that Oliver was conscious after he was hit. He could not run when the others fled. He heard Cruz coming. He heard the shots into Pollack and Loughran. He knew he was next. We know from testimony that he held his hands up to protect himself. Two bullets in the wall show how vain that attempt was. There’s a lock of dark hair on the floor near where his body would have been. The corner of a heart-shaped paper Valentine’s Day decoration (perhaps was a card) is collapsed, presumably was drenched with blood

Moving down the hall toward the west wall, bullets scraped against the south walls, an indication that Cruz was aiming for the fleeing students and not just randomly firing ahead of him.

We see the corner in front of the stairwell where Peter Wang fell after being shot as he ran down the hallway. The wall is drawn into squares resembling search quadrants. It is stained with dark splotches of blood and yellow-greenish material that was described in testimony as brain matter. Pin-sized holes in the wall have circles drawn around them and are marked “fragment D” and “fragment F.”

There are six bullet holes in the window above where Wang died. Cruz tried to blow the windows out to shoot the fleeing students.

Jaime Guttenberg was struck outside the stairwell but fell inside. There is very little blood where she fell. The bullet never left her body.

In the teacher’s lounge, a windowpane facing the 1300 building has 4 bullet holes. Another windowpane next to it has another bullet hole. These overlook the courtyard and a parking lot where students were fleeing.

A poster next to a windowpane reads like so:

“Typical or Troubled?

Notice: Notice if you are seeing troubling signs in a student.

Talk: Talk with the student

Act: Share observations with school mental health staff

Changing a life’s course.

School Social Work 754-321-1618

Family Counseling 754-321-1590

Broward Public Schools”

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Felt great bringing my kid back to school today when nothing has been done since Uvalde!

Interesting data for Texas: https://www.uttyler.edu/politicalscience/files/dmn-uttyler-aug2022.pdf


Most disagree that officials are doing enough:

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Abbott should call a special session, split on assault rifle buybacks, huge support for raising the age to 21:

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People want teachers to carry guns:

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5 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Felt great bringing my kid back to school today when nothing has been done since Uvalde!

Interesting data for Texas: https://www.uttyler.edu/politicalscience/files/dmn-uttyler-aug2022.pdf

 

People want teachers to carry guns:

 


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I don't understand this one.  How many times do we need to see trained officers with body armor and their own ARs refuse to go in and put down a shooter to realize that the "good guy with a gun" theory is a fantasy?  What a bunch of horseshit.

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I don't understand this one.  How many times do we need to see trained officers with body armor and their own ARs refuse to go in and put down a shooter to realize that the "good guy with a gun" theory is a fantasy?  What a bunch of horseshit.

Yeah, and has anyone ever met an elementary school teacher? The entire skillset involves being patient, kind, and gentle. You think a kindergarten teacher is going to be quick to pull out a .357 and start unloading? 

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22 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

I don't understand this one.  How many times do we need to see trained officers with body armor and their own ARs refuse to go in and put down a shooter to realize that the "good guy with a gun" theory is a fantasy?  What a bunch of horseshit.

Teachers don't have the luxury of the supreme court telling them they can ignore their job responsibilities and still get paid. 

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