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Women can’t get an abortion without a waiting period.

Can’t register to vote on Election Day and Georgia and the Republican majority in Georgia is currently trying to put even more rules and restrictions on voting.

But any old body can waltz in and buy a gun and walk out with it on the SAME FUCKING DAY AND THEN GO MURDER EIGHT FUCKING PEOPLE.

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9 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's besides the point anyway. I was commenting on what I see people post on social media and what generates outcry and what doesn't.

Anyway - I'm not engaging in a bunch of predictable, detracting side arguments that I've heard a billion times. Y'all can have your thread. 

Lmao this bitchassedness. You are engaging in a predictable and detracting side argument. You're the one bringing it into the thread.

Nobody is telling you to leave, and don't let your snowflake get melted just because your hollow point was challenged 

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Well yeah, duh.  Gun rights are protected by the 2nd Amendment, Voting Rights aren't protected by the constitution.  It's a state's rights thing, didn't you hear?  

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3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's besides the point anyway. I was commenting on what I see people post on social media and what generates outcry and what doesn't.

Anyway - I'm not engaging in a bunch of predictable, detracting side arguments that I've heard a billion times. Y'all can have your thread. 

You're comparing apples to oranges. The link you shared about the murders in Atlanta was a weekend of violence with multiple perpetrators. Sure, a death is a death, but that has never been the case with how things are reflected in the media. How many people did the DC Sniper kill in 2001? 10. But why then was it such a big deal? Surely, there were major cities that suffered 10 homicides over a similar period. Because it has nothing to do with body count and everything to do with the circumstances. One person killing 5+ people is always going to play more than 5 separate people killing doing the same work.

You add to that the shameful history of white-on-black violence in this country perpetrated by men who killed to deny an entire race a place at the table, and a persistent, calculated resistance to every Black movement in this nation's history and you have something unique. 

Lastly, your confidently held belief that a black man kicking off a race war by walking around killing as many white women as he could would NOT result in a lot of media coverage only makes me wonder why you don't consider the most watched news network part of the "media." 

But sure, head back to the DT where you'll be praised for your nuanced race takes. Thanks for letting us "have our thread."

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22 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's besides the point anyway. I was commenting on what I see people post on social media and what generates outcry and what doesn't.

Anyway - I'm not engaging in a bunch of predictable, detracting side arguments that I've heard a billion times. Y'all can have your thread. 

You're normally a pretty smart guy, so I'm going to assume that workswithseed hacked your account.

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26 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's besides the point anyway. I was commenting on what I see people post on social media and what generates outcry and what doesn't.

Anyway - I'm not engaging in a bunch of predictable, detracting side arguments that I've heard a billion times. Y'all can have your thread. 

 

52 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Of course it would. Because he's white. 

Did this make national news?

https://www.cbs46.com/news/multiple-people-shot-5-dead-following-deadly-holiday-weekend/article_8b6c9112-bee6-11ea-9b0a-2b617ce7d49a.html

um, yes. might not want to aggregate your news from social media.

wall street journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-violence-marked-fourth-of-july-weekend-in-cities-across-the-u-s-11594053843

cnn:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/us/chicago-shootings-july-4-weekend/index.html

abc news:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/children-ages-14-killed-gun-violence-mars-holiday/story?id=71621109

new york times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/us/atlanta-mayor-8-year-old-killed.html

come on, man. yes, there are problems with urban violence across the country. but this kind of whataboutism is weak sauce, especially because your example made the national news. so i'm left wondering if you think when you post. "should i google to make sure my implication is, you know, actually true?" either you choose not to think or use google, or you have an ulterior motive/reason for misleading people with your posts. i happen to think you are a better poster than this, so it's a bit surprising to see it coming from you, i guess. 

but one dude systematically targeting and shooting multiple people is always going to make news also. mass shooting is a major problem in the united states and it's why we have this whole thread in the first place.

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38 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's besides the point anyway. I was commenting on what I see people post on social media and what generates outcry and what doesn't.

Anyway - I'm not engaging in a bunch of predictable, detracting side arguments that I've heard a billion times. Y'all can have your thread. 

Who is “y’all?”

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

It's amazing how many people on my Instagram (mostly white women) are crying out about this when 157 people were murdered in Atlanta last year (wouldn't need to go out on a limb to assume a hefty majority of those were black victims) and yet everyone just treats that as business as usual. 

These are the same people that post about BLM and Breonna Taylor and what not. Do you actually care about black people, or do you just enjoy convenient, prepackaged news stories that give you a platform for preening, virtue-signaling outrage? 

It always makes me think of the joker monologue in The Dark Knight where he talks about nobody panicking when things go according to plan - even when the plan is horrifying. Dozens of people get shot and killed in that city last year and no one bats an eye because it's what happens in those communities. Eight people of Asian descent get shot and killed out of the blue and it's a national news story and you have to run to post about how scared it makes some Asian friend of yours. 

Yeah, I'm an asshole. And I really have no political slant here. Mass shootings are terrible and senseless. So is cops murdering innocent civilians. I just hate how full of shit some people are. 

Ignoring the shittarded race aspect of your post, I’ll give you an honest answer here.

10 dead in a mass shootings will always get more attention than 200 murdered in a year. Always. Fear grabs attention. If I don’t buy/sell drugs, if I’m not a gang member, and if I’m not in a violent domestic relationship I know that I’m not likely to be one of the 200. I can do things to easily avoid joining that count, and there’s a sense of personal control there. But there’s not much I can do to avoid being a mass shooting victim other than having good luck. It doesn’t matter that it’s less likely to happen than a regular murder. That feeling of personal control is gone, so it’s scarier and will get more attention.

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Good illustration.  Same reason there's what?.....couple hundred U.S. deaths each year in plane crashes, small private plans usually, some cargo planes, some stunt/air show planes, etc.  Usually 100-200 each year.  Half make the local news, none make national news.  But a single large commercial airliner crashes and kills 200, sure as shit that's gonna be on the news.  There's a reason for that.  If you can't see it, stay where you are. 

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I think we should all take a moment and be grateful that our current President isn't going to say something positive about the killer today.

In 4 years the GQP will have this guy as a speaker at the republican national convention. I suppose via zoom from jail. 

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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

Who is “y’all?”

what you mean ya'll (people)?

The internet is full of shit. Posters like ztjas and all the usuals are perpetual outrage victims. They can't discern where they are relative to the noise going on around them, so the jump back into victimhood pretty quick. And especially when confronted with direct injustice like this one yesterday - it wakes them up and their feelings get all violated. 

@immamac maybe we need to implement an outrageometer on each thread so some of our friends can get better data to help them out? 

we need help rebalancing

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1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

Organized fundamentalist Christianity is a problem.

I believe everyone has the right to peacefully practice their religion and I see the value religious organizations bring to communities as far as fellowship and charity.  With that said, many religions are rooted in people believing in literal magical thinking and this often becomes problematic when confronting problems in reality.  God is not going to fix anything. 

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3 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Tap the brakes.

No reason to shame the parents without additional detail that speaks to their role. Decent people who try as parents can raise monsters. Mob bullying can’t help in that case.

this was (mostly) hyperbole as when a POC commits a murder/heinous crime these things instantly come up.  "No dad in the picture", "mom DNGAF and probably used drugs"

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

These are the same people that post about BLM and Breonna Taylor and what not. Do you actually care about black people, or do you just enjoy convenient, prepackaged news stories that give you a platform for preening, virtue-signaling outrage? 

Well they have tried to address gun violence for decades, by getting some stricter laws around gun purchases, but that is automatically shot down by the thoughts and prayers phonies.   Then those same just asking questions buffoons, bring up CHICAGO! any time an event like this happens.   So fucking disingenuous.

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The irony of Captain Jay Baker residing in Canton....Georgia is just too....on brand. It really is named after Canton (Guangzhou) in China because the citizens way back when hoped to be a silk center like the aforementioned town. (The area itself was home to the Cherokee before they were 'removed.')

 

General Sherman didn't quite get the job done when his troops burned it in 1864 I suppose.

@Degenerate Gardner I'm getting a blank screen under your spoiler. Is it a tweet?

 

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

It's besides the point anyway. I was commenting on what I see people post on social media and what generates outcry and what doesn't.

Anyway - I'm not engaging in a bunch of predictable, detracting side arguments that I've heard a billion times. Y'all can have your thread. 

As an Asian American, is it ok for me to be concerned? Maybe even generate a bit of outcry about it? 

I don’t want to dismiss your overall point (I think) of why would you care about x and not y... Personally for me it’s the build up of a bunch of little things. And they add up. 

It’s...

Asians often being seen as foreign and not part of this American life, even if we were born here or grew up here. Common example (and believe me this is more annoying than anything), “Where are you from? No I mean where are you really from? 

It’s the constant... Ho Lee Fuc and shit like that... where it’s just accepted as good fun and totally ok to use e v e r y single time (seriously be more clever people). 

It’s hearing it called the China Flu not because “that’s where it originated from,” but rather as a way to demonize and blame...

All the little superficial stuff adds up, then it’s conditioned and surely it’s ok especially if no one says it’s not... AND that’s what has me concerned and a bit worried... and well a bit pissed off now. 

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It's amazing how many people on my Instagram (mostly white women) are crying out about this when 157 people were murdered in Atlanta last year (wouldn't need to go out on a limb to assume a hefty majority of those were black victims) and yet everyone just treats that as business as usual. 
These are the same people that post about BLM and Breonna Taylor and what not. Do you actually care about black people, or do you just enjoy convenient, prepackaged news stories that give you a platform for preening, virtue-signaling outrage? 
It always makes me think of the joker monologue in The Dark Knight where he talks about nobody panicking when things go according to plan - even when the plan is horrifying. Dozens of people get shot and killed in that city last year and no one bats an eye because it's what happens in those communities. Eight people of Asian descent get shot and killed out of the blue and it's a national news story and you have to run to post about how scared it makes some Asian friend of yours. 
Yeah, I'm an asshole. And I really have no political slant here. Mass shootings are terrible and senseless. So is cops murdering innocent civilians. I just hate how full of shit some people are. 

The vast majority of murders occur when the killer and victim know each other. I guarantee very few of those murders, if any, were premeditated attacks on randoms based on race and/or gender. I really hope you’re somehow ignorant to that, because this is just a ridiculous take otherwise.
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13 hours ago, Lobo said:

this young man is not as stupid as I thought.  He's playing a pretty smart long-game with the Georgia cops.  Not that it's hard to outsmart that pack of mensa rejects.  

Hates Asians, blames them for Covid-19, publishes it all over the internet.  Loves guns and wants to do something to avenge the pandemic in his country.  Also, in an unrelated story...having a real hard time getting laid.  Starts hitting up massage parlors to establish a pattern that will one day be used to demonstrate sex addiction.  Sex addiction has been used as a viable defense by white dudes I know to get them out of everything from alimony to drug crimes to assault.  Goes around on a murdering spree to the same places he frequented under the cover of "God was disappointed with me, I was having a really bad day.  And I had to end this cycle of addiction."  Meanwhile, 8+ Asian Americans are brutally murdered across the region.  Probably more were in his sights.  And he remains alive and well to prop up the fable.  If he gets away with it, it'll be pretty damn genius on his part.  Because right now, the alt.right demographic and law enforcement are eating it up with a spoon.  

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With all due respect to Lobo's theory that this guy's just trying to join the long line of mass murderers who skate on the sex addiction defense, my early read is that racial animus wasn't the motivating factor here, and that this is about evangelical shitheadery run amok once again. 

The other two thorny issues involved are guns/gun lust and the ubiquity of these asian rub and tugs and the sex trafficking undergirding them. 

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15 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

“A REALLY BAD DAY”?!!?

“STRANGE MANNER”???!!!!

Fuck this excusing bullshittery language.
 

I really don't get everyone freaking out about this comment. I don't interpret it as excusing the killings or downplaying it at all. He's simply saying that being at the end of his rope and having a bad day is what made him snap at this particular time. Which is probably true for the majority of mass shooters. That doesn't mean it's the entire explanation for their conduct. It's an explanation for the timing of it. 

He's also only relating what the perp told him, so I'm not sure why people are taking it as any kind of judgment on the cops part. The outrage at the cop seems very misplaced. 

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7 hours ago, YChang said:

As an Asian American, is it ok for me to be concerned? Maybe even generate a bit of outcry about it? 

I don’t want to dismiss your overall point (I think) of why would you care about x and not y... Personally for me it’s the build up of a bunch of little things. And they add up. 

It’s...

Asians often being seen as foreign and not part of this American life, even if we were born here or grew up here. Common example (and believe me this is more annoying than anything), “Where are you from? No I mean where are you really from? 

It’s the constant... Ho Lee Fuc and shit like that... where it’s just accepted as good fun and totally ok to use e v e r y single time (seriously be more clever people). 

It’s hearing it called the China Flu not because “that’s where it originated from,” but rather as a way to demonize and blame...

All the little superficial stuff adds up, then it’s conditioned and surely it’s ok especially if no one says it’s not... AND that’s what has me concerned and a bit worried... and well a bit pissed off now. 

I empathize with how you feel. But I'm curious about the ho lee fuc thing. Are you referring to people calling you that or otherwise using it with/in regard to you because of your ethnicity - or do you find it offensive in general?

I ask because it's something I sometimes type instead of holy fuck (because I found the local news prank that popularized it hilarious). It didn't occur to me that it's offensive to asians in the abstract. To me, it's just one of many childishly amusing name puns. Like Jack Mehoff or Mike Hunt. 

If so, I'll have to retire it. 

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2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

I empathize with how you feel. But I'm curious about the ho lee fuc thing. Are you referring to people calling you that or otherwise using it with/in regard to you because of your ethnicity - or do you find it offensive in general?

I ask because it's something I sometimes type instead of holy fuck (because I found the local news prank that popularized it hilarious). It didn't occur to me that it's offensive to asians in the abstract. To me, it's just one of many childishly amusing name puns. Like Jack Mehoff or Mike Hunt. 

If so, I'll have to retire it. 

Did people make fun of your name when you were growing up?  I'm lucky that I was born in Texas and my parents gave me an American first name after seeing my older siblings being made fun of at school.  I always got asked was 'what's your real name?', along with the stupid puns with my last name.  Even in 2021, many people still can't pronounce 'Nguyen'.

It comes down to respect.  There might be someone named "Ho Lee Fuc" or whatever pun.  I grew up with a guy named Long Dich Vu, which is a name that is passed down in his family, and he can't even use it proudly and had to change his name because of all the ridicule. 

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If an american plane crashed and any news station from Asia or any where in the world really displayed a graphic with quality puns like that making fun of American names I would be trying to convince the wife of the value in flying to wherever they are from just to high five them. Sometimes a good joke is a good joke.

That said, I can empathize with you and see how certain elements in society would use that as fuel to bully folks who are different from them. It's unfortunate that we can't all agree to make jokes at each others expense only in the name of good sport instead of it being used as a cover for being racist.

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4 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

I really don't get everyone freaking out about this comment. I don't interpret it as excusing the killings or downplaying it at all. He's simply saying that being at the end of his rope and having a bad day is what made him snap at this particular time. Which is probably true for the majority of mass shooters. That doesn't mean it's the entire explanation for their conduct. It's an explanation for the timing of it. 

He's also only relating what the perp told him, so I'm not sure why people are taking it as any kind of judgment on the cops part. The outrage at the cop seems very misplaced. 

Because he clearly didn’t just “have a bad day”, he obviously thought and planned this out for some time. It’d be like if someone said the 9/11 hijackers were just having a bad day and snapped. It’s absolutely excusing/downplaying the act. 

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This is not a legal question, just one for message board pontification---if he was having a bad day and just snapped and wanted to take it out the sex-trade industry---why not shoot up a strip club, a porno movie store, a sex toy store, one of those "modeling" places, etc.?  Why just three massage spas, populated entirely by Asian women?  And why head down to Florida to find more of those when there's a 1000 sex shops and strip clubs between Atlanta and Tampa.  

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