Active shooter thread

[Guest Lobo]

12 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Police officer among the dead - local stations now reporting. 

https://kdvr.com/news/police-searching-for-active-shooter-in-boulder/

 

"back the blue" stickers alongside decals of the weapons carried inside (legally, I admit) the vehicle will have a tough time making sense of themselves.  

[staboner 4955]

51 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Our political leaders could be working on crafting legislation that provides a way forward for sensible gun regulation, but they have voter suppression laws to pass.

the continued inaction by the governemnt of the US for fucking decades now - on so many things - is just unreal. Biggest soap opera on earth.

Just siphoning money off the middle class - and the smaller middle class of the future - to fund rich corporations and their caretakers while society sputters along. 

[mdmost 42775]

We just have to hope more angry people with arsenals don't have bad days. 

[ultimaton 2966]

The shooter was a middle age white guy? Wow, what are the odds?

[henrygandorf 29174]

15 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We just have to hope more angry people with arsenals don't have bad days. 

isn't it weird how americans are just more angry than the human beings that live in the rest of the world?

must be all the freedoms.

[Red Five 40593]

18 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We just have to hope more angry people with arsenals don't have bad days. 

"He was fed up". 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

which one do you think is easier to regulate:

1. weapons

2. people getting angry/being generally unstable

I am not opposed to gun regulations, however I believe focusing on the guns alone is missing the bigger picture. It is a gun violence epidemic and the guns are not shooting themselves. While I believe government can and should do more to reduce the body count, the real solutions are going to take more than banning some weapons. 

[Chooky 13292]

They wanted groceries in Boulder? In the middle of the day? They knew what they were getting into. I say ... let 'em crash. 

[Satchel 6908]

I don’t understand why we reflexively work around the gun when assessing gun violence. We don’t do that with drugs. Acknowledging that drugs don’t take themselves has never stopped us from seeing them as a big part of the problem.

[cactusflinthead 27593]

I ain't been in here all day when my basketball fiending was interrupted by this grim news.

I looked at Twitterville and of course there is no stated motive in the news. 

I guess it matters because if they were from a region where we are in a military operation, ie Muslim, that would be a radically different public response than if it were the son of a youth minister having a bad day because he can't get enough pussy.

Yeah. Motive matters

[tantric superman 4667]

I also wish people would focus a bit more of the utility of weapons that the simple "us vs. them" of 2nd amendment interpretation.  It's understandable that people want handguns or shotguns for home protection. Rifles for hunting.  There is an environmental argument for encouraging hunting. 

But people would rather be partisan and absolute about the issue.

[mdmost 42775]

Yes but the right to bare drugs isn't in the Bill of Rights. But guns, no way can we do anything to limit people's right to get a firearm if they want it. Now voting, we can make that has hard as possible even thought it too is in the Constitution. 

 

[cactusflinthead 27593]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Sadly, I’m inclined to agree. If shooting the faces off of kindergartners won’t move you, nothing will.

False flag bro. Those are actors.

[burntorangebongos 10681]

So are there going to be more of these mass shootings because of pent up desire to show off the "righteous rage" due to the Covid lock down? Do the press in other countries stay on shooter stories for hours? CNN hasn't gotten off of it yet.  Maybe that is why unstable pissed off assholes think shooting up shopping centers and schools is an attractive option to show off the rage. We maybe need to rethink the press coverage too.

Fuck the shooters by not saying their fucking names or broadcasting hours of it on national news. Local news where it happens is different. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I don’t understand why we reflexively work around the gun when assessing gun violence. We don’t do that with drugs. Acknowledging that drugs don’t take themselves has never stopped us from seeing them as a big part of the problem.

America in currently #1 in the world in both drug overdose deaths and gun violence suicides.  I’d say our approach to both issues has been a catastrophic failure. 

[fattyflattie 4636]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Acknowledging that drugs don’t take themselves has never stopped us from seeing them as a big part of the problem.

Yet many want to make them all legal. 

[Satchel 6908]

2A purists and supporters of sensible gun regulation are not polar opposites. One is much more doctrinaire than the other.

[cactusflinthead 27593]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

America in currently #1 in the world in both drug overdose deaths and gun violence suicides.  I’d say our approach to both issues has been a catastrophic failure. 

If you have a magic formula for defusing the rage that spawned this I'm all ears.

[tantric superman 4667]

4 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I don’t understand why we reflexively work around the gun when assessing gun violence. We don’t do that with drugs. Acknowledging that drugs don’t take themselves has never stopped us from seeing them as a big part of the problem.

There is a constitutional right to arm oneself to the teeth, hence, the practical need to study ways in which we can live uneasily with that right.

[Satchel 6908]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Yet many want to make them all legal. 

And yet crack is still illegal.

[mdmost 42775]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

There is a constitutional right to arm oneself to the teeth, hence, the practical need to study ways in which we can live uneasily with that right.

Yes, the way some want to live uneasily with that right is that innocent people are just going to have to die because any limit is too much. So it's just the way things are and you just have to hope it's not your kid's school, your wife's shopping trip, or your minority group (race, sex, gender, orientation) that's being targeted this time. 

[Firemans4Horn 17793]

I’m 15-20 years away from moving abroad for the rest of my life. The first sentence in this quote is the number 2 factor behind our turbofucked system of healthcare. 
 

 

[tantric superman 4667]

Our society basically accepted half a million deaths in order to try to keep business running.

It is certainly willing to accept some number of mass shooting victims/all gun deaths in order to maintain the status quo in terms of gun rights.

[Guest Lobo]

Would it be weird if normal people could own guns and crazy murderers couldn't have them?  Could we somehow pull off both?  

[Chooky 13292]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

will have a tough time making sense of themselves.  

Nope. Nobody is required to make sense of themselves anymore. Colliding head on with illogical and incongruent thought is the way forward. Truth is dumb. Dumb is smart. And if you were smart you'd get aligned with stupidity. 

[tantric superman 4667]

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yes but the right to bare drugs isn't in the Bill of Rights.

I think you mean "bayer" drugs.

[mdmost 42775]

2 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Our society basically accepted half a million deaths in order to try to keep business running.

It is certainly willing to accept some number of mass shooting victims/all gun deaths in order to maintain the status quo in terms of gun rights.

81 million people in the last election didn't accept it. 

[Satchel 6908]

3 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

There is a constitutional right to arm oneself to the teeth, hence, the practical need to study ways in which we can live uneasily with that right.

We’re already living uneasily with that perceived right. It’s time to try something else. Two mass shootings within a week should be too much even for gun idolizing Americans.

[mdmost 42775]

Just now, Lobo said:

Would it be weird if normal people could own guns and crazy murderers couldn't have them?  Could we somehow pull off both?  

You may find it odd that some Republicans actively fight against red flag laws since they're an infringement on 2A. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

3 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Our society basically accepted half a million deaths in order to try to keep business running.

It is certainly willing to accept some number of mass shooting victims/all gun deaths in order to maintain the status quo in terms of gun rights.

This is what it boils down to.  Our society is broken but few want to accept it because then we’d have to make real changes.

[tantric superman 4667]

Just now, mdmost said:

81 million people in the last election didn't accept it. 

???  Blue states and red states basically all accepted deaths in order to keep the economy going. 

Other than perhaps having the folks at Central Market bring groceries to your car, and doing takeout, no one shut down to the level it would have taken to avoid Covid casualties.  The election was the difference between being kind of cautious on the blue side vs. bat shit stupid on the red side, but no one was willing to "shut down".  It's still more an issue of the vibe one puts out than actual practical differences in approach.

[Guest Lobo]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

You may find it odd that some Republicans actively fight against red flag laws since they're an infringement on 2A. 

Bullshit aside, y'all find it kinda weird that this Atlanta serial killer has somehow kinda deflected the whole gun control conversation?  I mean, he had some massive red flags, but nothing indicating immediate murder, until he went and bought weapons/ammo day of, and went on a murder spree.  We get that. but nobody on either side is really contending that.  The whole thing now is what he said he was really doing on his spree and what other people think he was actually up to on his spree.  Him buying the fucking guns is like #5 on the list right now.  Everything else is about motive, deflection, etc.  

[Satchel 6908]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This is what it boils down to.  Our society is broken but few want to accept it because then we’d have to make real changes.

True. So long as no acknowledgment is made, we won’t change anything. If we would just stop and think about what could have happened to us on our most recent visit to the grocery store...

[henrygandorf 29174]

12 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

It's understandable that people want handguns or shotguns for home protection. Rifles for hunting.

so are you ok with laws that allowed handguns but only within the confines of your personal home?  taking it off your property was illegal?

and are you ok with laws that keep hunting rifles locked up on leases or a govt facility where they could only use them for hunting, and bringing them anywhere else was illegal?

and are we ok with the penalty for being caught with a gun equivalent to being caught with an intent-to-distribute amount of cocaine or heroin?

if people only need guns for home/family protection and hunting, then these should be more than reasonable restrictions. 

[tantric superman 4667]

4 minutes ago, Satchel said:

We’re already living uneasily with that perceived right. It’s time to try something else. Two mass shootings within a week should be too much even for gun idolizing Americans.

Not even close to being too much for them.   

[Satchel 6908]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

so are you ok with laws that allowed handguns but only within the confines of your personal home?  taking it off your property was illegal?

and are you ok with laws that keep hunting rifles locked up on leases or a govt facility where they could only use them for hunting, and bringing them anywhere else was illegal?

and are we ok with the penalty for being caught with a gun equivalent to being caught with an intent-to-distribute amount of cocaine or heroin?

if people only need guns for home/family protection and hunting, then these should be more than reasonable restrictions. 

I would love to live in a place with those very sensible regulations.

[tantric superman 4667]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

so are you ok with laws that allowed handguns but only within the confines of your personal home?  taking it off your property was illegal?

I'm okay with that but I'd probably favor the ability to obtain, with difficulty, a license to carry it on your person/in car.

[Sawbonz 27375]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

so are you ok with laws that allowed handguns but only within the confines of your personal home?  taking it off your property was illegal?

and are you ok with laws that keep hunting rifles locked up on leases or a govt facility where they could only use them for hunting, and bringing them anywhere else was illegal?

and are we ok with the penalty for being caught with a gun equivalent to being caught with an intent-to-distribute amount of cocaine or heroin?

if people only need guns for home/family protection and hunting, then these should be more than reasonable restrictions. 

What is he penalty for shooting a bunch of people?

[tantric superman 4667]

5 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

and are you ok with laws that keep hunting rifles locked up on leases or a govt facility where they could only use them for hunting, and bringing them anywhere else was illegal?

Same deal - one should be able to obtain a license to take the rifle from home to lease to home to lease.

I'd rather have well licensed rifles dispersed than turn leases into armories. 

[Satchel 6908]

6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Bullshit aside, y'all find it kinda weird that this Atlanta serial killer has somehow kinda deflected the whole gun control conversation?  I mean, he had some massive red flags, but nothing indicating immediate murder, until he went and bought weapons/ammo day of, and went on a murder spree.  We get that. but nobody on either side is really contending that.  The whole thing now is what he said he was really doing on his spree and what other people think he was actually up to on his spree.  Him buying the fucking guns is like #5 on the list right now.  Everything else is about motive, deflection, etc.  

What’s wrong with same day purchase killings in Georgia? Shouldn’t  your anger be directed toward those pushing same day voter registration?

[Pasken 1309]

Man what if we start seeing these once a week?

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I'm okay with that but I'd probably favor the ability to obtain, with difficulty, a license to carry it on your person/in car.

why do you need one on your person or in your car?  are you planning on getting into a gun fight?  are you a character in the wild bunch?

[Satchel 6908]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

What is he penalty for shooting a bunch of people?

Doesn’t mean much to the bunch of people being shot.

[tantric superman 4667]

8 minutes ago, Satchel said:

True. So long as no acknowledgment is made, we won’t change anything. If we would just stop and think about what could have happened to us on our most recent visit to the grocery store...

We were assailed by a random lady at the egg section.  Turns out what you want is free range, and not cage free.  Darker yokes. 

[henrygandorf 29174]

4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

What is he penalty for shooting a bunch of people?

those people's families get to take turns kicking you in the balls until you die from the pain.

*i don't mean to discriminate and imply that the shooters would all have balls, but, well, yeah.

[4th&Five 41457]

18 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

I’m 15-20 years away from moving abroad for the rest of my life. The first sentence in this quote is the number 2 factor behind our turbofucked system of healthcare. 
 

 

I mean, yeah. Our kids have active shooter drills in preschool now. We don’t even acknowledge how damaging it is to a child to prepare them that they might be slaughtered in their class someday. 

[tantric superman 4667]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

why do you need one on your person or in your car?  are you planning on getting into a gun fight?  are you a character in the wild bunch?

I don't need one because I'm a more wiry version of Warren Oates.  I just think you and your husband should have the right to decide on personal protection for you when you go to a bad neighborhood, assuming you have no criminal record and you've passed all the tests for certification.  

[henrygandorf 29174]

4 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Same deal - one should be able to obtain a license to take the rifle from home to lease to home to lease.

so you get a one-time license to take it to your lease.  otherwise, it's illegal?  is that what you're saying?  you shouldn't need to carry it home.  and if you have more than one lease or area where you hunt, then it's time to buy a second gun.  people with a second home have a second fridge.  they don't bring their fridge back and forth with them.  same with washer/dryers.

6 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I'd rather have well licensed rifles dispersed than turn leases into armories. 

you'd rather have rifles be restricted by licenses acquired by human people than have rifles be safely locked away?

turning leases into armories isn't what you're describing it to be.  an armory is typically filled with legal things.  this would be like turning a lease into an evidence lockup.  while those get busted into on tv shows and movies, i imagine in the real world, they're relatively safe, and would likely have electronic surveillance.  

[mdmost 42775]

2 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I don't need one because I'm a more wiry version of Warren Oates.  I just think you and your husband should have the right to decide on personal protection for you when you go to a bad neighborhood, assuming you have no criminal record and you've passed all the tests for certification.  

Nice. Maybe throw in cuck or other Trump-like words since you've decided to go heel in Cloak Room. 

[Sawbonz 27375]

27 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

I’m 15-20 years away from moving abroad for the rest of my life

You really think you can avoid grocery stores for that long?