Active shooter thread

[Brisketexan 104,610]

This is Monday in America.
 

Greatest country in the world, and if you say otherwise, you’re an America-hating commie who should move to France or Venezuela or Timbuktu! If you don’t like it, get out!

[Satchel 6,908]

“I pray that when they walk in it won’t be their last day.”

[Beau Vine 54,001]

5 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

On an unrelated note, I'm starting to think that it (sadly) may be time to rethink the definition of a "mass shooting." Reason being is that it sometimes isn't, or at least, not what we've known to be a "mass shooting." I realize it's merely semantics but does little for discourse amongst the hard core reds and blues. 

Take the incident before this post about the shooting(s) in FT Worth.  20 years ago, that would've never been reported as a mass shooting, and I'm still surprised it was if the gang retaliation/violence mo is true. Blue folks instantly scream "We've got another 1!!1!!!" Red folks immediately retort "They were criminals not law abiding citizens!!!1!!!" Meanwhile, again if what the article above says is true, this ONE single incident doesn't apply to the common talking points. So we just end up talking past each other and nothing gets done. Yes, innocent bystanders were involved and adds another heartbreaking element to the story (and I would argue the ages of the offenders and the circumstances of their upbringings warrant some sympathy, as well), but I believe placing this under the mass shooting category does more harm than good. 

School shootings, places of worship, the shooting in Las Vegas or shootings that result in multiple loss of life or injury, those should be the ones more heavily scrutinized and focused on. 

But that's just my independent (aka spineless for not taking sides) POV.

Is this real?

[Neonmoon 38,127]

Yeah, I am with BigHorn, maybe if we stop counting some of the mass shootings as mass shootings, we won’t have as many. 

[ultimaton 2,966]

"When you report, you have a mass shooting. When you report you find something very wrong with multiple people being shot. If we didn't do any reporting, we would have very few mass shootings."

[BigHorn'13 3,354]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Yeah, I am with BigHorn, maybe if we stop counting some of the mass shootings as mass shootings, we won’t have as many. 

Or maybe anytime any shooting occurs we don't immediately rush to state our same talking points or mock those that suggest ideas on how to advance discourse on gun control? Crazy talk. 

[Ted Lange 16,050]

1 hour ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Or maybe anytime any shooting occurs we don't immediately rush to state our same talking points or mock those that suggest ideas on how to advance discourse on gun control? Crazy talk. 

NOTHING GETS ADVANCED MORON 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

6 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Or maybe anytime any shooting occurs we don't immediately rush to state our same talking points or mock those that suggest ideas on how to advance discourse on gun control? Crazy talk. 

How is changing the categorization advancing discourse? The FBI defines mass shooting as 3 or more victims of gun violence. I don’t think it should matter if the shooter was in a gang or not. Gun violence is gun violence. The people say the same talking points because one side wants to end gun violence and one side wants to keep playing with guns. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19,151]

Yesterday a kid at my oldest's school made some threats which turned out to not be viable.  Thankfully another student was aware of the threats and notified the proper authorities.  Kid that made the threats got taken into custody.

[GW Hayduke 1,952]

I'm sure folks are aware, but Bighorn is a good example of how the pro-gun crowd use identity to separate themselves from the problem of gun violence.  There is the "responsible gun owner" identity, the "goog guy with a gun" identity, and the scary "gang member" identity.  When shit starts to get weird they can always fall back on the guy with "poor mental health" or "having a bad day" identity.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,412]

15 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Arm every black man and let them open carry their assault rifles on the streets?

If someone started to hand out ar15s and handguns to every non-white person, free of charge and without a background check, I imagine Abbott would be screaming to the ATF about it.

[aggie08 21,434]

11 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Greatest country in the world, and if you say otherwise, you’re an America-hating commie who should move to France or Venezuela or Timbuktu! If you don’t like it, get out!

Correction: it's the greatest country in the world (stop complaining you commie socialist) that simultaneously needs to be made great again post haste. Don't think too hard about it. No one else does.

[Hookah Horns 3,080]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

How is changing the categorization advancing discourse? The FBI defines mass shooting as 3 or more victims of gun violence. I don’t think it should matter if the shooter was in a gang or not. Gun violence is gun violence. The people say the same talking points because one side wants to end gun violence and one side wants to keep playing with guns. 

If I'm understanding him correctly, it's because people keep rushing to bring up talking points that he doesn't like or find productive. And then the discourse dies. So using the preferred nomenclature will result in those talking points being used less often. Which will make him and the gun nuts happy. Yadda yadda yadda then the magical and beautiful advancement of discourse begins and we start finding solutions! 

[BigHorn'13 3,354]

The same ones who get angry at "thoughts and prayers" find it acceptable to proclaim "can't do shit anyways." Yeah, this country is fucked. 

As I stated earlier, thanks @Bama Chick for stating what too many dems are too chicken shit to state. As an "assualt rifle" gun owner, I can admit owning them for no other reason than they're 1) fun to shoot and 2) millions of others already own them. Definitely not sufficient reasons and I'd welcome discussions with people like @Bama Chick on pathways forward because I know exactly where she stands on the matter. 

It's the same ones who rationalized sandy hook and won't take any measures to prevent gun violence that prevent anything happening that are just as problematic people who don't admit they just want flat out abolishment. Hardly anyone is having the same discussion. 

[wildcat09 29,243]

22 minutes ago, BigHorn'13 said:

The same ones who get angry at "thoughts and prayers" find it acceptable to proclaim "can't do shit anyways." Yeah, this country is fucked. 

As I stated earlier, thanks @Bama Chick for stating what too many dems are too chicken shit to state. As an "assualt rifle" gun owner, I can admit owning them for no other reason than they're 1) fun to shoot and 2) millions of others already own them. Definitely not sufficient reasons and I'd welcome discussions with people like @Bama Chick on pathways forward because I know exactly where she stands on the matter. 

It's the same ones who rationalized sandy hook and won't take any measures to prevent gun violence that prevent anything happening that are just as problematic people who don't admit they just want flat out abolishment. Hardly anyone is having the same discussion. 

You are a fucking idiot.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

1 hour ago, BigHorn'13 said:

It's the same ones who rationalized sandy hook and won't take any measures to prevent gun violence that prevent anything happening that are just as problematic people who don't admit they just want flat out abolishment. Hardly anyone is having the same discussion. 

 

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45,494]

Re: the Tennessee open carry law upthread, I will never understand the psyche of someone who thinks they can intimidate their way into fewer mass shootings.

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

On 4/12/2021 at 4:27 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

I have some idea of what it would take for the GOP to finally consider reasonable gun control.  Unfortunately posting such idea would result in me winding up on an FBI watch list so I'll leave it be.

Something like someone shooting a congressional softball game?  Because that already happened 

[BigHorn'13 3,354]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

 

 

 

I mean... I feel the same way when someone gets all worked up over a "mass shooting" that was actually a gang shooting with 2 innocent bystanders involved or the like and we come back here to post the same things. 

I get it tho. Back to "what on earth are we going to do about this mess?" Too busy to explain the nuance to people that don't want to get it or achieve the goals they proclaim to want. 

[bluto 4,891]

Allen West leading the charge on Texas going ‘constitutional carry’, don’t see any reason that’s a bad idea.

[cactusflinthead 27,594]

Thread.

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[Brisketexan 104,610]

3 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Thread.

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She sounds like a pussy libtard.  The only sane response to her take is to pass constitutional carry everywhere, and to personally go out and buy 37 more firearms.

Because I'm an American, not a pussy communist libtard like her.  Amirite?

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Pffft.

You want to know why I’m now in the “Ban Em All” camp?

Because I haven’t always been.

I was in the “Let’s make some sensible reforms” camp for YEARS. We have guns in our home. Most of my family enjoys hunting. Our family owns a hunting camp.

But those years spent begging and pleading and asking “Can’t we just do X, Y, and Z?” got met with anger and accusations of gun grabbing and absolutely zero willingness to compromise on ANYTHING.

There is no middle ground for the pro-weapon fetishists. None.

So why am I sitting over here offering up useless half measures when the other side has proven that they will never budge an inch?

So, I’m done and I’m becoming what I’ve always been accused of being.

There’s going to be a bloodbath too large to ignore at some point and that’s when the gun lovers will feel the pressure to suddenly be open to comprise. But it will be too late.

I’ve been radicalized on this issue. It’s an issue I refuse to listen to the opposing side on any longer.

SEVEN people in Chicago died from Tylenol poisoning in the 80s and this country went NUTS to prevent it. A man THREATENED to blow up a plane with his shoes and we all so through an hour of shenanigans just to get on a plane.

But 30,000+ Americans die from gun violence every year and we can’t be assed.

TL;DR - Fuck the Second Amendment. Repeal and ban em all. Pick up a bayonet, you pussy.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,061]

You can wish for it all you'd like; it will never happen. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19,151]

5 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

There’s going to be a bloodbath too large to ignore at some point and that’s when the gun lovers will feel the pressure to suddenly be open to comprise. But it will be too late.

Not unless said bloodbath is on the floor of the Senate / House.  These fucks will never come to their senses.

[lemonlime 5,503]

America in a hurry getting back to normal.

 

[Satchel 6,908]

Anybody traveling through the San Antonio airport today while a now deceased gun wielding wild man began shooting willy-nilly?

[Biff Tannen 45,494]

On 4/14/2021 at 12:18 AM, Bama Chick said:

There’s going to be a bloodbath too large to ignore at some point

Posting this before reading the rest of the thread, but nope. This does not and will not exist. Ever. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

The motive of the Vegas shooter remains unknown to the public, other than homicidal maniac. 

[henrygandorf 29,176]

On 4/13/2021 at 10:18 PM, Bama Chick said:

Pffft.

You want to know why I’m now in the “Ban Em All” camp?

Because I haven’t always been.

I was in the “Let’s make some sensible reforms” camp for YEARS. We have guns in our home. Most of my family enjoys hunting. Our family owns a hunting camp.

But those years spent begging and pleading and asking “Can’t we just do X, Y, and Z?” got met with anger and accusations of gun grabbing and absolutely zero willingness to compromise on ANYTHING.

There is no middle ground for the pro-weapon fetishists. None.

So why am I sitting over here offering up useless half measures when the other side has proven that they will never budge an inch?

So, I’m done and I’m becoming what I’ve always been accused of being.

There’s going to be a bloodbath too large to ignore at some point and that’s when the gun lovers will feel the pressure to suddenly be open to comprise. But it will be too late.

I’ve been radicalized on this issue. It’s an issue I refuse to listen to the opposing side on any longer.

SEVEN people in Chicago died from Tylenol poisoning in the 80s and this country went NUTS to prevent it. A man THREATENED to blow up a plane with his shoes and we all so through an hour of shenanigans just to get on a plane.

But 30,000+ Americans die from gun violence every year and we can’t be assed.

TL;DR - Fuck the Second Amendment. Repeal and ban em all. Pick up a bayonet, you pussy.

 

 

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[Bama Chick 28,596]

SIXTY????

Ban em all.

[Fastbreak 3,959]

Just the way the founding fathers anticipated. Hands are tied. Thoughts and prayers (x60). 

[hookemATL 11,610]

Sending my thoughts and prayers next day air!

[Dnaguy 11,775]

30 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

Sending my thoughts and prayers next day air!

[Fudge Nuggets 19,151]

You know things are getting back to normal in America when this thread gets bumped every other day.

[Buzzrock 14,871]

SIXTY????




Ban em all.

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[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,344]

2 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Just the way the founding fathers anticipated. Hands are tied. Thoughts and prayers (x60). 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20,699]

GOP politicians using "senseless" is the code word for "well, there's nothing we can do about it and we won't do shit about it".  

 

[UpperWestside 6,136]

42 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

GOP politicians using "senseless" is the code word for "well, there's nothing we can do about it and we won't do shit about it".  

 

No Senator Young this wasn't senseless. Let's just take that word right out of the lexicon when talking about mass shootings. Throw that phrase out along with thoughts and prayers because those words lose meaning when we continue to see nothing done about any of this. There are reasons why these shootings continue to happen. We do so very little in the way of mental health checks on folks in this country. The person that did this was obviously mentally ill and yet had access to a weapon that brought an end to the lives of at least eight of our fellow citizens and human beings. Those are two things that should never be congruent with one another. If you bothered to attempt to make sense out of this and really cared about your constituents and their well-being you would step up to the plate as a human being and say enough is enough. That takes a modicum of courage to do that and you are found lacking in that department senator.

If your response as a politician to a mass shooting is thoughts and prayers, sympathies, senseless tragedy, tragic event, or really anything along those lines, yet you refuse to do a thing because "mah gunz!" are more important than human life please just go sit in a corner and take yourself out of this debate until you are voted out of office. 

[Jive Turkey 12,568]

 

[4th&Five 41,461]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

GOP politicians using "senseless" is the code word for "well, there's nothing we can do about it and we won't do shit about it".  

 

You’ll be shocked to learn he’s received almost $3 million from the NRA. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,412]

Used to be that the NRA and mass-shooting-apologists argued widespread gun ownership would protect us. Now that mentally disturbed and/or angry people have relatively easy access to guns, the NRA says we need to protect ourselves against those people. But won't that still make it that much easier for the same disturbed people to get more guns too?

The mass shooting regularity has at least pushed the gun nuts into the shadows on boards like this. They're still here but even they know their arguments rang hollow. They just want to own guns and they're accepting of some mass shootings.

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

I always think the same thing.  It’s like every 2nd amendment person forgets half the amendment.  

[Hank Kingsley 20,699]

23 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

No Senator Young this wasn't senseless. Let's just take that word right out of the lexicon when talking about mass shootings. Throw that phrase out along with thoughts and prayers because those words lose meaning when we continue to see nothing done about any of this. There are reasons why these shootings continue to happen. We do so very little in the way of mental health checks on folks in this country. The person that did this was obviously mentally ill and yet had access to a weapon that brought an end to the lives of at least eight of our fellow citizens and human beings. Those are two things that should never be congruent with one another. If you bothered to attempt to make sense out of this and really cared about your constituents and their well-being you would step up to the plate as a human being and say enough is enough. That takes a modicum of courage to do that and you are found lacking in that department senator.

If your response as a politician to a mass shooting is thoughts and prayers, sympathies, senseless tragedy, tragic event, or really anything along those lines, yet you refuse to do a thing because "mah gunz!" are more important than human life please just go sit in a corner and take yourself out of this debate until you are voted out of office. 

You know the GOP is full of shit when they always blame people and mental health issues instead of guns, yet they don't lift one fucking finger to deal with mental health.  

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

4 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

I always think the same thing.  It’s like every 2nd amendment person forgets half the amendment.  

Not only that, but isn't it the first 'half? In most of their phrases, they lead with the foremost thought (which at the time was how bad of marksmen their peeps were).

[4th&Five 41,461]

 

[Dnaguy 11,775]

41 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

 

I’ll keep going back to the text of the 2nd amendment to explain this. 

It states: “¯\_(ツ)_/¯”

[yoladu 4,067]

Can we agree the Founders would have written the Second Amendment differently if a John Q Smith was shooting up a foundry or blacksmith shop, killing 8, every goddamn week?

Or do you believe the Founders were idiots?

[Hank Kingsley 20,699]

8 more families needlessly destroyed. Children and grandchildren will be affected for years and years. 

God knows how many employees that will have trauma from this. Which will negatively affect their personal lives as well. Plenty of them and their families will be fucked up for years, with some of them not even understanding trauma and how it affects every other part of their lives and the people they interact with. 

We are systematically destroying society and Republicans won't lift a finger.