2023 Texas Baseball

[TrashMaster G 17552]

23 minutes ago, Cajun said:

To be fair that get’s added in my head automatically.

get's???

[Fletch 5800]

24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Just saw Nixon in the portal.  Seems odd with a new pitching coach incoming.

I think under a new coach he could’ve been fixed up but whatever 

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

get's???

Typing on an iphone is not my strength

[Burt Macklin 19022]

9 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

It’s dumb in the context of firing the D1 baseball assistant of the year from last season that finished 1st and 26th in team ERA the last 2 seasons. 

Rolling the dice on somebody with no experience as an assistant at this level makes no sense after firing Allen. If you’re firing a coach like Allen it’s to swing for a big name with proven success. Not for a “this assistant might be good” because of one success story from the JUCO ranks. 

What’s dumb is the context you’ve put around the decision. All your posts write as if Allen is solely responsible for the pitching success of the last two years when he’s not even a pitching coach by trade, but Pierce was for years and years. What you’re saying is the same as giving Milwee all the credit for offensive success instead of Sark.
 

Pierce knows pitching and is extremely involved. He decided he wants a real pitching coach in that spot. It’s that simple. 

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

11 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

What’s dumb is the context you’ve put around the decision. All your posts write as if Allen is solely responsible for the pitching success of the last two years when he’s not even a pitching coach by trade, but Pierce was for years and years. What you’re saying is the same as giving Milwee all the credit for offensive success instead of Sark.
 

Pierce knows pitching and is extremely involved. He decided he wants a real pitching coach in that spot. It’s that simple. 

Not really.

Everyone knows Pierce is involved with the pitching staff. The same will apply with the next hire. I'm not upset Pierce wants a "real pitching coach" but that wasn't the point. The point was this model of Pierce being involved with Allen still produced two top 25  pitching staffs in the last 2 seasons and that was with Witt being injured. If you're going to disrupt a model  of success you need an upgrade and the spin of a "real pitching coach" is just that if the pitching coach has no track record of success at this level. 

Whether you consider Allen a "real pitching coach" the model of Pierce with Allen was still producing good results. That's a fact based on the team ERA the last two seasons. Real pitching coach, or whatever, the next hire needs to be an upgrade and some of the names being mentioned are far from that. Throwing out this argument about "real pitching coach" doesn't mean anything either if it's a random pitching coach with no skins on the wall. 

With that said,  I don't believe this is the direction Texas is going as Kendall Rogers mentioned at D1 baseball. Texas would not have fired Allen unless there was a legitimate candidate with a track record of success as a pitching coach. 

 

 

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

One of the Baseball America writers is bringing up Childress as a replacement. 

No idea if he knows anything or if he's just speculating like we are with Childress. It does seem like a good fit.  

 

[Valmy77 13226]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

One of the Baseball America writers is bringing up Childress as a replacement. 

No idea if he knows anything or if he's just speculating like we are with Childress. It does seem like a good fit.  

 

He is what? Director of Player Development at Nebraska? What even is that position?

I can't imagine he would turn down being a pitching coach at Texas for whatever that is.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

Just now, Valmy77 said:

He is what? Director of Player Development at Nebraska? What even is that position?

I can't imagine he would turn down being a pitching coach at Texas for whatever that is.

I believe people are just speculating because it makes sense. I don't believe Childress would turn it down but there hasn't been any confirmation that Pierce actually wants him. 

 

[Valmy77 13226]

It makes sense since he has been one of the best pitching coaches around for a long time and currently doesn't have a real job in College Baseball. I guess its just a question if he prefers a cushy AD job to coaching, or if we just don't like him for some reason.

Edited June 23, 2022 by Valmy77

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

Somebody can do a better deep dive on Childress but based on his old aggy bio they finished 3rd nationally in ERA for 2019 and several other top 25 finishes in team ERA. Based on proven success, I don't think there's many better options. 

https://12thman.com/sports/baseball/roster/coaches/rob-childress/1143

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

6 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

It makes sense since he has been one of the best pitching coaches around for a long time and currently doesn't have a real job in College Baseball. I guess its just a question if he prefers a cushy AD job to coaching, or if we just don't like him for some reason.

I didn't follow the aggy program closely under Childress but he always had a great reputation as a pitching coach and recruiter. Their issue was always hitting under Childress. 

 

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

15 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

I agree with this sentiment. I don’t even think it needs to be a sitting college assistant. 

Kendall Rogers mentioned that he believes Texas wants a proven college coach. 

Based on what I've read at D1 baseball and Baseball America, Texas is big game hunting for an assistant at a D1 program. I guess Texas could go outside the box with an Alaniz,  Woody Williams, or MLB scouting hire but nothing mentioned suggests that is what Texas is doing. Then again Kendall Rogers might not know anything but I tend to agree with his sentiment on that being the most logical conclusion after firing Allen. 

[WBT 20564]

26 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I didn't follow the aggy program closely under Childress but he always had a great reputation as a pitching coach and recruiter. Their issue was always hitting under Childress. 

 

and aggyness

[Hookem2147 21216]

Childress’ recruiting really took a nosedive his last few years at A&M but he obviously wouldn’t be as high up on the food chain at Texas in that regard.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

Childress’ recruiting really took a nosedive his last few years at A&M but he obviously wouldn’t be as high up on the food chain at Texas in that regard.

I also wonder if being a sitting duck hurt recruiting. Didn't everyone know Childress was about to be fired in the last couple of years? 

[Hookem2147 21216]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I also wonder if being a sitting duck hurt recruiting. Didn't everyone know Childress was about to be fired in the last couple of years? 

Eh, I don’t really think that plays too big of a role in baseball. Classes are put together extremely early. Like we already have the majority of our 2023 kids committed and will focus on 2024 and 2025 this summer.

[Valmy77 13226]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Somebody can do a better deep dive on Childress but based on his old aggy bio they finished 3rd nationally in ERA for 2019 and several other top 25 finishes in team ERA. Based on proven success, I don't think there's many better options. 

https://12thman.com/sports/baseball/roster/coaches/rob-childress/1143

Well here are the rankings of his staffs at Nebraska:

Year	Ranking	ERA
1998	??	5.70
1999	??	5.61
2000	1	3.14
2001	??	4.41
2002	15	3.64
2003	29	3.79
2004	25	3.76
2005	2	2.69

 

And at Texas A&M:

Year	Ranking	ERA
2006	25	3.56
2007	32	3.84
2008	19	4.01
2009	33	4.49
2010	13	3.70
2011	14	2.90
2012	9	2.92
2013	50	3.43
2014	101	3.67
2015	22	3.04
2016	10	3.05
2017	20	3.48
2018	16	3.38
2019	3	3.21
2020	43	2.94
2021	77	4.55

 

I kind of like the different time periods there. Back in the Gorilla Ball era having a 3.14 was the best in the country. In the BBCOR era 3.67 is good enough for 101st.

Edited June 23, 2022 by Valmy77

[Js1 85316]

10/15 seasons in top 25 ERA is nothing to sneeze at.  Plus 5 seasons in the top 15.  That'll make Omaha more often than not with our offense under Pierce. 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Js1

[Hookem2147 21216]

Guy who post good info on IT and follows baseball very closely 

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

So 14 seasons with a pitching staff in the top 25 of team ERA. Likely won't find a better option based on proven success. 

 

[Hookem2147 21216]

That last paragraph….would Frank Anderson fit that description?

[Valmy77 13226]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

That last paragraph….would Frank Anderson fit that description?

That was my first thought, though Frank is a current pitching coach.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

That last paragraph….would Frank Anderson fit that description?

I believe so and that's another name that makes a lot of sense other than Childress. 

[HenryJames 66045]

5 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Guy who post good info on IT and follows baseball very closely 

That all sounds like bullshit.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

Just now, HenryJames said:

That all sounds like bullshit.

Yeah the part about the booster makes me question the legitimacy. Does anyone believe Pierce is firing assistants because of what a booster wants? 

[Valmy77 13226]

1 minute ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah the part about the booster makes me question the legitimacy. Does anyone believe Pierce is firing assistants because of what a booster wants? 

Maybe if a large number of boosters were united. But surely there is always somebody pushing for somebody to be fired, that is just the nature of boosters. It might be true that one of the boosters just did not like coach Allen but that might not be why he was fired.

[Js1 85316]

6 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah the part about the booster makes me question the legitimacy. Does anyone believe Pierce is firing assistants because of what a booster wants? 

Depends - I doubt the booster called up Pierce and was like WTF BRO FIRE ALLEN but I'm sure CDC has to hear this shit all the time by boosters/alum while he's at the games visiting with the money guys and the former players in his box and they've already had an end-of-season discussion and Allen/pitching came up as part of it. 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Js1

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

Maybe if a large number of boosters were united. But surely there is always somebody pushing for somebody to be fired, that is just the nature of boosters. It might be true that one of the boosters just did not like coach Allen but that might not be why he was fired.

True but the wording was framed as if the booster played a role in Allen being fired. I don't believe that for a second and I hope it isn't true or there are bigger problems. 

[Hookem2147 21216]

Pierce and Allen did not see eye to eye for quite some time this year. The fact he was let go within hours of the team getting back to Austin means it was probably something Pierce knew he was going to do for a while.

I can't speak to the booster part. Maybe he wanted Allen fired but Allen was being fired regardless. That type of stuff can get lost in translation in a game of telephone.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

The only other name that comes to mind based on the description above is Kyle Van Hook. He's a well-known MLB scout with a lot of experience at Blinn and San Jac. 

Wasn't he a voluntary assistant for 1 year at Texas? Or was that his son? 

 

[HenryJames 66045]

That was Clay Van Hook.

[Hookem2147 21216]

4 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

The only other name that comes to mind based on the description above is Kyle Van Hook. He's a well-known MLB scout with a lot of experience at Blinn and San Jac. 

Wasn't he a voluntary assistant for 1 year at Texas? Or was that his son? 

 

That was his son, Clay, who's now at OU.

Kyle is pretty old at this point. At least 65, so I'm not sure he would come back to the college game.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

Just now, HenryJames said:

That was Clay Van Hook.

I know Clay was a student assistant after winning a national title in 2005. 

For some reason I thought Kyle was a voluntary assistant back in the early 90s but I could be wrong.  

[66BUFF 2562]

12 hours ago, D3zii said:

 

has some skins on the wall!!!! Wouldn’t be a bad get but I think it’s someone bigger 

So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know -

[WBT 20564]

That description would also fit Skip imo

[Hookem2147 21216]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

That description would also fit Skip imo

He is not leaving a head coaching gig at a school he is about to win a national championship at.

[Valmy77 13226]

2 minutes ago, WBT said:

That description would also fit Skip imo

Or Tom Holliday but neither of those would make any logical sense.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

Just now, Hookem2147 said:

He is not leaving a head coaching gig at a school he is about to win a national championship at.

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. 

[Had Enough 2081]

Pierce and Allen did not see eye to eye for quite some time this year.

In what ways? I think that was Allen undoing but curious on some specifics.

[Burt Macklin 19022]

13 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

He is not leaving a head coaching gig at a school he is about to win a national championship at.

But would he leave OU? 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Burt Macklin

[Hookem2147 21216]

3 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

But would he leave OU? 

Have to find out. Make Saban say no, then make Skip say no, then you can have a real search.

[Rickylovesweed 14293]

Might as well hire a good pitching coach today so I can keep this Arch erection going all day. 

[torre 1285]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

That all sounds like bullshit.

😊

Yeah,  the thing that gives the story credence is the IT poster,  djb, is well connected.   Not sure how much under Pierce and staff.   He is a teacher in Austin and has a side gig photographing and videoing prep baseball.  Quite successful,  has really grown.    He was a regular poster on Shaggy.   Good guy.

The scout "may" be Chase Lummus' Dad, Mark, who is a scout with the Mariners and pitched at Texas in the early 90's.    Chase is a LHP from the '19 class who has not pitched due to Covid season and TJ surgery.     I met Mark at a high school game sitting in front of him when he saw my Texas cap.   He really follows Texas Baseball not only because of his son but as a former player and alum.      He is really enthusiastic and likely has a close relationship with Pierce.

 

[petscii 1189]

2 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah the part about the booster makes me question the legitimacy. Does anyone believe Pierce is firing assistants because of what a booster wants? 

Well, he's fired two now.  After bringing them with him and making such a huge fucking deal about how they were a package/team.

[Fletch 5800]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

But would he leave OU? 

Give him a blank check

[Hookem2147 21216]

Now the question is does Arch know any good pitching coaches?

[wood 11225]

19 hours ago, Goodman said:

Tulo is a big loss

Who do we want as our hitting coach?

Beat me to it.

[SizzleChest 8283]

6 hours ago, HenryJames said:

That all sounds like bullshit.

It sounds like someone providing Pierce some cover.

[Fletch 5800]

5 hours ago, SizzleChest said:

It sounds like someone providing Pierce some cover.

“Months ago”? So when we got back from Lubbock? Guess I can see that. 
 

I don’t give a shit who ultimately pulled the trigger, I’m just glad he’s gone. Watching Texas baseball have an average pitching staff is fucked up. 

[SizzleChest 8283]

7 minutes ago, Fletch said:

“Months ago”? So when we got back from Lubbock? Guess I can see that. 
 

I don’t give a shit who ultimately pulled the trigger, I’m just glad he’s gone. Watching Texas baseball have an average pitching staff is fucked up. 

No, the blaming it on the “booster”.  The booster stuff is bullshit.