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rural Texas (where there are no private schools) the local HS, MS, Elementary are the heartbeat of the town. they better open their eyes and see what abbott has planned for them

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1 hour ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

This issue is winnable if everyone harasses their state reps and Sens and gets involved in school board elections and identifies those who are trying to destroy public education.

What if you live in HISD?

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41 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don't see the issue as winnable at all. 

Dude, I'm just trying to psyche myself up.  I'm basing this on being on the winning side of a Richardson School District school board election and one state representative election.  

The school board election was close but it really felt like my little participation did help.

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I've already called my pro-voucher rep and gotten others to call. Definitely feels like an uphill battle, though. I had no idea how many districts were running a budget deficit after the last session didn't provide any additional funding. Crazy that we're shooting ourselves in the foot to pass a program with zero real-world benefits. 

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Just now, LurkingHorn said:

I've already called my pro-voucher rep and gotten others to call. Definitely feels like an uphill battle, though. I had no idea how many districts were running a budget deficit after the last session didn't provide any additional funding. Crazy that we're shooting ourselves in the foot to pass a program with zero real-world benefits. 

Dude.  Destroying public education so that all that is produced is a mindless consumer class, easily manipulated by the oligarchy that now literally officially runs our country, is the benefit.

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17 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Dude, I'm just trying to psyche myself up.  

Hey, get psyched if it helps get you through the day. After November, it's just not working for me. 

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49 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

I've already called my pro-voucher rep and gotten others to call. Definitely feels like an uphill battle, though. I had no idea how many districts were running a budget deficit after the last session didn't provide any additional funding. Crazy that we're shooting ourselves in the foot to pass a program with zero real-world benefits. 

 

abbott's two billionaires will attempt to primary R's that bite no

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25 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

abbott's two billionaires will attempt to primary R's that bite no

It's a game of chicken at this point and, unfortunately, Abbott and his team of billionaires are likely going to win. If by some miracle vouchers don't pass this session but Abbott still holds the funding hostage, we are going to see a lot of pissed-off parents because not only will vouchers be a loser again, but districts are going to be strapped even harder for funds. 

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36 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

It's a game of chicken at this point and, unfortunately, Abbott and his team of billionaires are likely going to win. If by some miracle vouchers don't pass this session but Abbott still holds the funding hostage, we are going to see a lot of pissed-off parents because not only will vouchers be a loser again, but districts are going to be strapped even harder for funds. 

That’s the fault of the democrats you fuckin commie, plus all the illegals students taking up the class seats, free lunch, and overall funding from your little Jackxsyn. 

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44 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

Abbott still holds the funding hostage, we are going to see a lot of pissed-off parents

Unfortunately they will aim their ire locally instead of the appropriate direction.  

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1 hour ago, LurkingHorn said:

It's a game of chicken at this point and, unfortunately, Abbott and his team of billionaires are likely going to win. If by some miracle vouchers don't pass this session...

Let's game this out. Vouchers pass. What does that mean for Texans?

Do we get $10k to use towards private school tuition (similiar to Oklahoma)? Is this just going to cause a run on private schools for those with even a little bit of means and/or private schools just increasing their base tuition by $10k? Essentially the state is going to be giving the private school administrations and teachers a raise, while making the publics even worse (and they are already unacceptable, ont eh whole)?

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1 minute ago, South Austin said:

How will this affect high school football?  That's actually a serious question.

Yea good question. I assume if you are good and have a future for football you will stay in your local public powerhouse (e.g. Allen, DeSoto, Southlake, etc.).

But maybe highschool football goes the way of AAU basketball in that a lot of times the studs don't play for their local public, but private academies that pipeline into NCAA.

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9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Let's game this out. Vouchers pass. What does that mean for Texans?

Do we get $10k to use towards private school tuition (similiar to Oklahoma)? Is this just going to cause a run on private schools for those with even a little bit of means and/or private schools just increasing their base tuition by $10k? Essentially the state is going to be giving the private school administrations and teachers a raise, while making the publics even worse (and they are already unacceptable, ont eh whole)?

In current form it’s supposed to go to the poor… but in this case poor is defined as household income up to 155k roughly. Then after that it goes to a lottery or some shit, idk. Homeschoolers get 2500 or something. Special needs students get 12k, but again, no private school is required to accept them and any special ed school worth a shit almost certainly costs much more. 
 

the 1Bn kitty is supposed to grow to 5Bn by end decade. 
 

~8% of the total funds will go toward the comptroller to administer it all along with a handful of hand picked ‘program shepherds’ to assist families on navigating it all. 

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10 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Yea good question. I assume if you are good and have a future for football you will stay in your local public powerhouse (e.g. Allen, DeSoto, Southlake, etc.).

But maybe highschool football goes the way of AAU basketball in that a lot of times the studs don't play for their local public, but private academies that pipeline into NCAA.

I think the wealthier districts will probably continue to do well (Westlake, Lake Travis, Southlake . . . basically any school with "lake" in it).  

You may be right about private academies, and we might even see a few more of those pop up in the metro areas to steal the talent from public schools.

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2 minutes ago, bluto said:

In current form it’s supposed to go to the poor… but in this case poor is defined as household income up to 155k roughly. Then after that it goes to a lottery or some shit, idk. Homeschoolers get 2500 or something. Special needs students get 12k, but again, no private school is required to accept them and any special ed school worth a shit almost certainly costs much more. 
 

the 1Bn kitty is supposed to grow to 5Bn by end decade. 
 

~8% of the total funds will go toward the comptroller to administer it all along with a handful of hand picked ‘program shepherds’ to assist families on navigating it all. 

The middle class gets screwed again! Our (America's) favorite past time.

So you make more than $155k as a household, you get three choices:

1) get no voucher but have to pay full boat private school (financially expensive)

2) get no voucher, go to local public school which will suck even more because of diverted funds and lower middle/middle class white flight (opportunity cost for your child's future, potentially)

3) get no voucher, but have to homeschool and you get $2,500 for the trouble (expensive with time, might have to do one income).

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Let's game this out. Vouchers pass. What does that mean for Texans?


I think we will gradually head to a two-tier school system.

Some will take the $10k, add their own $10k, and go to a very nice school with no hard to educate kids.

Everyone else that has something in their way, like not being able to come up with the extra $10k or having a disability, will go to what remains of the public system.
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1 minute ago, Texas Jeff said:

 


I think we will gradually head to a two-tier school system.

Some will take the $10k, add their own $10k, and go to a very nice school with no hard to educate kids.

Everyone else that has something in their way, like not being able to come up with the extra $10k or having a disability, will go to what remains of the public system.

 

Great. As if raising kids wasn't already expensive enough.

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It's going to be comical when this program is not able to keep up with the soon-to-be inflated prices of private school. Like...we can all see this coming from 10 miles away, right? 

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Well, with the states going against 504's, we can all count on special education getting further fucked over.   My elderly parents told me how they support it, because it really should be a states issue.   I think states should decide who gets social security and medicare not the Feds.   Why should I have to pay for them olds?  Let Desantis pay for them.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Well, with the states going against 504's, we can all count on special education getting further fucked over.   My elderly parents told me how they support it, because it really should be a states issue.   I think states should decide who gets social security and medicare not the Feds.   Why should I have to pay for them olds?  Let Desantis pay for them.  

 

I’m no expert but 504 might not even matter when dept edu goes away and there’s no oversight on states services for sped. 

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1 hour ago, Texas Jeff said:

 


I think we will gradually head to a two-tier school system.

Some will take the $10k, add their own $10k, and go to a very nice school with no hard to educate kids.

Everyone else that has something in their way, like not being able to come up with the extra $10k or having a disability, will go to what remains of the public system.

 

It will be more than an extra 10k. Right now, most private school tuitoin in Houston is 36k a year. So they need to find 25k. And that is IF private schools don't raise tuition, as Lukring says below:

1 hour ago, LurkingHorn said:

It's going to be comical when this program is not able to keep up with the soon-to-be inflated prices of private school. Like...we can all see this coming from 10 miles away, right? 

 

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I’m no expert but 504 might not even matter when dept edu goes away and there’s no oversight on states services for sped. 

Fair, there was a push this year to move kids into IEPs in Texas at least.
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6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

rural Texas (where there are no private schools) the local HS, MS, Elementary are the heartbeat of the town. they better open their eyes and see what abbott has planned for them

I have started to see Trumpers joining the herd posting about how terrible the Abbott vouchers plan is. 

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4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I have started to see Trumpers joining the herd posting about how terrible the Abbott vouchers plan is. 

Whatever.  Leopards, faces, and whatnot.  And not a SINGLE.  FUCKING. ONE OF THEM.  Will change how they vote.  Because trannies are evil and one played basketball this one time.

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15 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I have started to see Trumpers joining the herd posting about how terrible the Abbott vouchers plan is. 

It will fuck over rural communities and small towns and really only benefit rich people from the cities.

Well...and private equity who gets to start looting our tax money. Which is why this is happening.

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8 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:

Have teachers (even in Texas) been part of R voting base? Maybe in rural areas/ smaller towns but those schools have benefited the most from recapture. 
 

It’s great going from AHS and playing some of the schools out of district that have turf practice fields, immaculate stadiums, baseball fields with lights (and restrooms - AHS boys pee in culvert) all funded from recapture. (Or at least mostly). 
 

I cannot wait for the inevitable bond/property tax grab (of which vast majority goes to recapture as well) to help solve this budget issue. It is a never ending circle jerk as Abbott hates Austin. Austin should’ve let him cut that fucking tree down before he was governor. 

Even in Texas, especially in rural and solidly R suburban areas. Some of the best teachers I had growing up who really did care about educating students are still voting against their own interests because team first nonsense.

One of the teachers that is irate about this is someone I grew up with. She’s got a bullhorn for a mouth (In charge of the debate team) and her child is on the spectrum. Combine a pissed off mother and teacher who has never been the quiet type and you’ve got someone who can at least put up some form of opposition to this garbage. They’ve already started in on the resulting loss of funds to the school district under these voucher plans. It would cut funding for her son’s teachers and other children just like him. That appears to be the red line for a lot of teachers.
 

To be clear the voucher program issue is not just something school related only in Texas. New York is screwing over their public school students with charter schools and they have a Democratic governor. The blatant money grabs and the putting a price on your child is not limited to states like Texas.

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3 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

It's going to be comical when this program is not able to keep up with the soon-to-be inflated prices of private school. Like...we can all see this coming from 10 miles away, right? 

This is the point of it. You will either have parents going deep into debt to make up the difference at the schools or you’ll just confine the poor and their kids to schools where they learn nothing. That perpetuates the cycle of low income people continuing to not have an exit ramp through education, especially minorities.

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How will this affect high school football?  That's actually a serious question.
Well, thanks to Tim Tebow, homeschooled children will still be able to participate in extracurricular activities at public schools.
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8 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:

It’s great going from AHS and playing some of the schools out of district that have turf practice fields, immaculate stadiums, baseball fields with lights (and restrooms - AHS boys pee in culvert) all funded from recapture. (Or at least mostly).  

Off topic, but Austin High and all Austin high schools are getting turf for football/soccer, and lights for the turf field + lights for softball and baseball.  That should happen in the next two years.  It's not the same as the surrounding schools, but it's something.  The Austin High baseball field is a little strange in that it's not actually on the high school campus.  It's City of Austin, and there are agreements that allow CoA and AISD to share stuff around the high school.

It was frustrating for me as a band parent in Austin ISD to travel to school districts like Seguin for contents, and see their better facilities, and look them up later and see how much they were getting from Robin Hood vs giving.  The Robin Hood money mostly goes to teachers, but they are happy to include bond projects over the top for nicer facilities.

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4 hours ago, Nivek said:

Well, with the states going against 504's, we can all count on special education getting further fucked over.   My elderly parents told me how they support it, because it really should be a states issue.   I think states should decide who gets social security and medicare not the Feds.   Why should I have to pay for them olds?  Let Desantis pay for them.  

 

I didn't realize this was a thing. I had to look up which states are trying to get rid of 504 plans and it's a who's who of garbage states you would never want to live:

Texas, Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah and West Virginia. 

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1 hour ago, Texas Jeff said:

Off topic, but Austin High and all Austin high schools are getting turf for football/soccer, and lights for the turf field + lights for softball and baseball.  That should happen in the next two years.  It's not the same as the surrounding schools, but it's something.  The Austin High baseball field is a little strange in that it's not actually on the high school campus.  It's City of Austin, and there are agreements that allow CoA and AISD to share stuff around the high school.

It was frustrating for me as a band parent in Austin ISD to travel to school districts like Seguin for contents, and see their better facilities, and look them up later and see how much they were getting from Robin Hood vs giving.  The Robin Hood money mostly goes to teachers, but they are happy to include bond projects over the top for nicer facilities.

True, but that was covered by a bond and they already: delayed start and reduced dollar  amount. 
 

AHS is trading the city the baseball field for the rowing center which believe it or not AHS owns. 

Challenge is AHS is in flood plain that leads right into Town Lake. Adds a lot of complexity to any field improvement. In addition lot of old trees behind baseball field so we are having to adjust field to make UIL compliant while mitigating and tree issues. 

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On 2/17/2025 at 11:10 AM, tchookem said:

This school is out in Dripping Springs and the MAGA folks are trying to keep it off all the social media neighborhood groups.  It is especially maddening since DSISD is trying to pass a bond this May for a 2nd high school. The voucher and property taxes are too high folks are making a push to defeat the bond.  It doesn't matter that the state mandates that this is how schools are built and they keep voting those fuckers in for the last 30+ years.

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9 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude.  Destroying public education so that all that is produced is a mindless consumer class, easily manipulated by the oligarchy that now literally officially runs our country, is the benefit.

Seriously this isn’t hard. The goal is to make the poors dumber. It is that simple 

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2 minutes ago, 1978horn said:

This school is out in Dripping Springs and the MAGA folks are trying to keep it off all the social media neighborhood groups.  It is especially maddening since DSISD is trying to pass a bond this May for a 2nd high school. The voucher and property taxes are too high folks are making a push to defeat the bond.  It doesn't matter that the state mandates that this is how schools are built and they keep voting those fuckers in for the last 30+ years.

They aren’t doing a real good job of keeping it quiet. 
 

I hope Drip gets a 2nd high school. I used to compete against them in sports and academic events when they were a much smaller school in my youth. I can still recall in elementary school tying for the gold medal in UIL Spelling. Got a perfect paper and only one other person did the same. Even my principal missed six words. I can also still remember her name and that she beat me the next year when I misspelled trafficking. 😂

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Seriously this isn’t hard. The goal is to make the poors dumber. It is that simple 

No need to bother getting immigrants to do the jobs nobody wants to do if you have a permanent underclass.

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2 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

They aren’t doing a real good job of keeping it quiet. 
 

I hope Drip gets a 2nd high school. I used to compete against them in sports and academic events when they were a much smaller school in my youth. I can still recall in elementary school tying for the gold medal in UIL Spelling. Got a perfect paper and only one other person did the same. Even my principal missed six words. I can also still remember her name and that she beat me the next year when I misspelled trafficking. 😂

We desperately need one.  The High School is already over capacity and they are forecasting that by the time this one opens(if approved) that they will be between 800-1000 students over capacity.  If it opens on time then it will be after my kids are through with school out here.  Still need it and I will still support it.

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We desperately need one.  The High School is already over capacity and they are forecasting that by the time this one opens(if approved) that they will be between 800-1000 students over capacity.  If it opens on time then it will be after my kids are through with school out here.  Still need it and I will still support it.
White flight. It's a helluva thing.
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8 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Let's game this out. Vouchers pass. What does that mean for Texans?

Do we get $10k to use towards private school tuition (similiar to Oklahoma)? Is this just going to cause a run on private schools for those with even a little bit of means and/or private schools just increasing their base tuition by $10k? Essentially the state is going to be giving the private school administrations and teachers a raise, while making the publics even worse (and they are already unacceptable, ont eh whole)?

 

any private school halfway worth a shit will increase tuition $10k

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17 hours ago, bluto said:

In current form it’s supposed to go to the poor… but in this case poor is defined as household income up to 155k roughly. Then after that it goes to a lottery or some shit, idk. Homeschoolers get 2500 or something. Special needs students get 12k, but again, no private school is required to accept them and any special ed school worth a shit almost certainly costs much more. 
 

the 1Bn kitty is supposed to grow to 5Bn by end decade. 
 

~8% of the total funds will go toward the comptroller to administer it all along with a handful of hand picked ‘program shepherds’ to assist families on navigating it all. 

In every state vouchers have been implemented anywhere from 60-80% of the recipients are kids who already attended. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

In every state vouchers have been implemented anywhere from 60-80% of the recipients are kids who already attended. 

Curious how it plays out here. Could see it going either way on where the vouchers end up considering it’s less than 100k kids on a public school system with almost 6M

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2 minutes ago, bluto said:

Curious how it plays out here. Could see it going either way on where the vouchers end up considering it’s less than 100k kids on a public school system with almost 6M

It will play out the same way it plays out everywhere. End up costing more than public education while public education gets shit on.

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Some of you may have heard that Liberty Hill ISD just announced that it's moving to a hybrid schedule that will include 4-day school weeks for much of school year as a way to trim the budget, which currently is facing a $7million+ deficit.

KVUE.com

Two obvious points:

1.  I'm sure most of the parents, faculty, and administrators in Liberty Hill ISD voted for Trump, Abbott, and all the other Republicans.

2. Liberty ISD is going to be fucked even more once vouchers pass, because I'm guessing there's not a private school in the vicinity, and certainly not one that will admit all of the kids who are looking to attend area public schools heading for an underfunding spiral.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

In every state vouchers have been implemented anywhere from 60-80% of the recipients are kids who already attended. 

State money going to already rich families at the expense of poor families. Brilliant.

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When a school district goes to 4-day weeks, do they cut teacher and staff salaries by 20%? That's the bulk of expenses for an ISD. I think that has happened in other states.

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1 minute ago, CooterBrown said:

When a school district goes to 4-day weeks, do they cut teacher and staff salaries by 20%? That's the bulk of expenses for an ISD. I think that has happened in other states.

Not sure.  NPR said that Fridays may be faculty planning days where teachers can have "free" time to catch up on educational planning.  The only savings I caught were the need for substitute teachers, as Fridays are typically the days when substitutes are used most.  I suppose you're also saving on cafeteria and janitorial staff, and bus drivers.

Nothing was mentioned about how parents who don't get Fridays off from work can accommodate the 4-day school week.

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11 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Nothing was mentioned about how parents who don't get Fridays off from work can accommodate the 4-day school week.

Nobody gives a shit about that. Parents can suck it, as always.

And people wonder why people don't want to have kids.

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