Trivia/History thread

[WBT 20561]

17 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said:

My first thought was Terry Pendleton, but it looks like he won a Gold Glove or two before ‘91.

I thought about him and Willie McGee who also had a GG and ROY votes.  Something about the 80s Cardinals.

[Scraps 13560]

41 minutes ago, cochamps said:

Zollo Versailles  and Dick Groat seem likely

After my guess I looked up some people and Versailles jumped out to me as who I thought possible would be it, but he actually got MVP votes, was an AS and GG winner years prior to him winning MVP 

 

Groat is incorrect also 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Scraps

[Scraps 13560]

51 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Fernando Valenzuela?

never won the MVP

[Scraps 13560]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Cecil Fielder? Did he win the MVP his 50HR season? Seems like he never won one but worth a shot. 

was 2nd in MVP voting 2 years in a row....never won it 

[Scraps 13560]

3 hours ago, WBT said:

Morneau

This looks to be correct 

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

this feels like a willie hernandez situation though the question is very confusing to me. 

If I am looking at this correctly I think this is correct also 

[henrygandorf 29189]

[Scraps 13560]

Found the two that have not been said....I bet someone who posts here would get one of them, but he isn't in this thread 

And someone who is in this thread should have gotten the other one lol 

 

[Beau Vine 54205]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

then you never played the (really shitty) RBI Baseball 2.  he was the only guy that had any pop.

does the bolded mean ever in the career, or just before the MVP?

Previously.  

Y'all already got Willie Hernandez, Vida Blue (loved that his A's jersey had "Vida" on the back), and Morneau (still amazes me that he beat out Jeter).

Willie:

Vida:

Morneau:

The other two guys are hitters.

 

[Beau Vine 54205]

4 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Found the two that have not been said....I bet someone who posts here would get one of them, but he isn't in this thread 

California Helobious?

[WBT 20561]

Found them both with those hints

Spoiler

Same year

 

[henrygandorf 29189]

27 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Previously.  

Y'all already got Willie Hernandez, Vida Blue (loved that his A's jersey had "Vida" on the back), and Morneau (still amazes me that he beat out Jeter).

Willie:

Vida:

Morneau:

The other two guys are hitters.

 

willie's season actually looks remarkably similar to the dude you started the question with (whom i had never heard of).

couple guys that were true mvps - their teams wouldn't have won without their specific contributions.  instead of just straight mass volume stats on a team that doesn't suck, which is what the award has morphed into.

[Helobious 9456]

45 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

Damn I didn’t know that was him. Definitely seen that catch before. Still think David Wright’s was better.

[IDIOTsavant 8482]

Jeff Burroughs came to mind, and a quick look seems to confirm he fits the bill.

[henrygandorf 29189]

11 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Still think David Wright’s was better.

your opinions are very valuable and should absolutely be taken seriously.

[Beau Vine 54205]

1 hour ago, IDIOTsavant said:

Jeff Burroughs came to mind, and a quick look seems to confirm he fits the bill.

One of the worst MVP decisions ever, back when the award usually went to the guy with the most RBI.  

[Beau Vine 54205]

And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:

[Scraps 13560]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:

Benny the Jet? 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:

this made me scroll down the 1974 mvp list.  jack billingham finished 16 in mvp with a negative WAR.  

[Beau Vine 54205]

9 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

this made me scroll down the 1974 mvp list.  jack billingham finished 16 in mvp with a negative WAR.  

I frequently go to b-r and look at old award voting just to amuse myself with shit like that.

[Scraps 13560]

The AL vote had 4 OAK players and 2 TEX players as the top 6 lol 

[shadow_operative2.0 15944]

Clearly how it will go in ‘22 also. 

[henrygandorf 29189]

with andrus walking away with it, obviously.

[Beau Vine 54205]

19 minutes ago, Scraps said:

The AL vote had 4 OAK players and 2 TEX players as the top 6 lol 

OAK was in the middle of their dynasty and that was the first season of my life when TEX wasn't mathematically eliminated in June, so not surprising.  

Without looking, probably the least-deserving of those 6 was the one who won.  But he led the league in RBI, which back then meant he had to win.  Fergie was definitely more valuable than Burroughs, though.  

[Scraps 13560]

Steve Garvey....Steve fucking Garvey.

Next question lol

[dcar00 14150]

[dcar00 14150]

name the only 5 players to hit 100 home runs with 3 different teams.  hint all from 1960+.  Thanks reserve clause!  if you google its easy. so no googlin'

 

bonus: name last pitcher to throw a no hitter and hit a home run in the same game.

[shadow_operative2.0 15944]

Reggie is one. 

[dcar00 14150]

7 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Reggie is one. 

yep.  

one of them is going to be tough.  the other 3 could be reasonably assumed based on overall home run totals.

[shadow_operative2.0 15944]

Damn, Crime Dog missed by 1 with Tampa. 

[WBT 20561]

Thome.  He needed a 2nd stint with the Phillies to get there.

[WBT 20561]

Oh, and A-Rod.

[Scraps 13560]

I have thought up about 5 guys and looked them up and none of them have done it.  Dave Kingman was the closest of the ones I thought of....he was 6 away 

[Scraps 13560]

Finally caved and looked it up.  Should have thought up one of the two remaining, would never have gotten the other one

[UTPhil2006 3802]

10 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Finally caved and looked it up.  Should have thought up one of the two remaining, would never have gotten the other one

Glad I finally looked it up, as I would have wasted all day trying to think of the 5th guy I've never even heard of

[WBT 20561]

Everyone else I think of has had long stints with two teams but then bounce around with only 1 or 2 years per team at the end of their career.

[WBT 20561]

Ah, Adrian Beltre.  That's probably the other one y'all say you should have got.  I have to do some work now but I'll wait and see if anyone else comes to me before I look it up.

[ocugolf 1214]

Since Rickey Henderson retired with 1406 stolen bases, there have been 3 players that have reached half that many steals.  Name them.

[Scraps 13560]

My first guess was Juan Pierre but he only had 614

[UTPhil2006 3802]

7 minutes ago, Scraps said:

My first guess was Juan Pierre but he only had 614

Dee Gordon and Jose Reyes didn't get close either.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

I feel like Nelly Cruz was with Seattle and the Twins long enough to get 100 at each.   I'm going with him.

[IDIOTsavant 8482]

2 hours ago, ocugolf said:

Since Rickey Henderson retired with 1406 stolen bases, there have been 3 players that have reached half that many steals.  Name them.

Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues. Obviously, Vince Coleman and Tim Raines got there, but they were retired before Rickey…everyone else over 700 played decades ago.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

so this made me pull up Cruz's stats.  If it wasn't for COVID shortened season, dude would be creeping up on the 500 homer club at the end of this year, a club that is exclusively peopled with HOFers and roiders.  Amazing.

[Scraps 13560]

Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues.

Wut

[Scraps 13560]

I feel like Nelly Cruz was with Seattle and the Twins long enough to get 100 at each.   I'm going with him.

Nope on Min

[IDIOTsavant 8482]

4 minutes ago, Scraps said:

 

 

Wut

 

Ha! Didn’t click on the link on the BRef list. Wrong Billy Hamilton. 😂 Don’t see how anyone fits the original criteria then of playing after Rickey retired and finishing over 700 SB.

[Scraps 13560]

He didn't say whole career after Rickey retired.

It has to be someone who retired after 2003, but was getting steals while Rickey was still playing.

At least thats how I comprehend this

[Beau Vine 54205]

33 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said:

Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues.

Dude...

[IDIOTsavant 8482]

9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

He didn't say whole career after Rickey retired.

It has to be someone who retired after 2003, but was getting steals while Rickey was still playing.

At least thats how I comprehend this

Agreed. Here’s the top 10 list (includes all players over 700 steals):

Rickey Henderson

Lou Brock

Billy Hamilton

Ty Cobb

Tim Raines (retired 2002)

Vince Coleman (retired 1997)

Arlie Latham

Eddie Collins

Max Carey

Honus Wagner

Which one (much less three) of those guys retired after Rickey?

 

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by IDIOTsavant
Fucking phone typing

[Frieda’s Boss 181]

Kenny Lofton?

[Scraps 13560]

Yeah i know....ocugolf needs to.explain himself with this bullshit lol

I knew once I thought up Kenny Lofton and he still wasn't close that either I was never getting this or it was a impossible question

Kenny Lofton?

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