Aeroflot 593 Crash. Or don't let your kids fly a commercial jet.

[crash_davis 23121]

Browsing Reddit and came across this. What could go wrong with letting your kids fly a commercial jet? Russians.

Link below has visualization with audio and translation of the events leading to the crash. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/wa4w02/aeroflot_593_crashed_in_1994_when_the_pilot_let/

 

From the comments.

Pilot: Kudrinsky

Co-Pilot: Piskaryov

Daughter: Yana

Son: Eldar

Makarov was another pilot on board, but he was a passenger on this flight.

The aircraft was an Airbus A310-304.  Of the 63 passengers and 12 crew members, all 75 occupants died.

The captain was letting his 11 year old daughter and 16 year old boy take turns in the pilot seat.  While the boy was in the pilot seat, he accidentally disengaged the autopilot that controlled the ailerons.  This caused the aircraft to bank 90° and a subsequent sharp nose dive.  The co-pilot had his seat pushed too far back to properly control the aircraft, but he managed to pull up on the control column to obtain level flight, however the aircraft stalled at this point, and the pilot was unable to return to his seat due to the sheer forces of the aircraft.

After more stalls and hard pull ups, the aircraft began to spiral downwards.  Right at the end, the co-pilot pulled a 4.8g pull up and almost achieved a stable flight path, however, they had run out of altitude.

This could have all been averted if the boy in the pilot's seat had let go of the control column.  The A310's autopilot would partially turn off when it received an hard pull or push from the pilot, and the autopilot would remain in control of everything except the ailerons.   Returning the control column to its neutral position would re-engage the autopilot, which would have corrected the flight path. The pilots were telling the boy to "hold the stick" which is slang for "return the control column to its neutral position. However, the boy interpreted it as "hold the stick in its current position".

You can see the middle dial on the right hand screen spiraling counter clockwise. This is the altimeter so that you can get a sense of the utter chaos of the situation. Each time the dial goes around, that's 1,000 feet

 

 

PleaseStopTalking7x

Apparently if the pilots had just let go of the control column, the autopilot would have automatically re-engaged to prevent stalling, which is what was happening in the pitch changes that eventually resulted in the spin. Ultimately the whole thing could have been avoided, but the pilots weren’t familiar with the aircraft—they all had previously flown Soviet-designed aircrafts and not only did they not realize how to allow the autopilot to self-correct, they also failed to notice the warning light (they had flown aircrafts with audible warnings) that alerted them initially that the autopilot had been partially disengaged when the 16 year old son was at the controls.

[Helobious 9477]

Saw an episode of air disasters about this like 15 years ago. 

[Surly Bevo 25255]

In Soviet Russia dipshit kid fly you into ground.

[Bill Brasky 1468]

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Bill Brasky

[WBT 20703]

So "hold the stick" is slang for let go of the stick?  I think I see where the confusion came from.

[Your Mom 4859]

Hey it's Take Your Kids to Work Day!

[Degenerate Gardner 4089]

If my kid ever did that, they’d be grounded. Which I suppose they were.

[Wally Fairway 5596]

35 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Saw an episode of air disasters about this like 15 years ago. 

There is a podcast about this - not sure where I found it, likely Spotify

[AUS-97HORN 11825]

they could do 10 years of shows about aircraft crashes just based on Russian crashes only.

 

my "favorite"* is   the drunken Russian pilot who combined with being half-sloshed, was also tired due to a lack of rest, paired with a FO who literally was unqualified to pilot the plane, who got confused, lost spacial orientation, begged the pilot to take over and the pilot said something to the effect of "what do you want me to do about it?" as they banked into the ground.

 

 

*88 people died in this, so favorite is in quotations

Edited July 28, 2022 by AUS-97HORN

[Native Horn 3516]

Didn't read the article, but if they all died, how do we know that the kid was in the pilot seat fucking things up?

[crash_davis 23121]

3 minutes ago, Native Horn said:

Didn't read the article, but if they all died, how do we know that the kid was in the pilot seat fucking things up?

Black Box Lives Matter

[Mighty fine 169]

Didn't read the article, but if they all died, how do we know that the kid was in the pilot seat fucking things up?

Cockpit voice recorder?

[Surly Bevo 25255]

they could do 10 years of shows about aircraft crashes just based on Russian crashes only.
 
my "favorite"* is   the drunken Russian pilot who combined with being half-sloshed, was also tired due to a lack of rest, paired with a FO who literally was unqualified to pilot the plane, who got confused, lost spacial orientation, begged the pilot to take over and the pilot said something to the effect of "what do you want me to do about it?" as they banked into the ground.
 
 
*88 people died in this, so favorite is in quotations

How about this one.

While approaching Kurumoch Airport, Captain Kliuyev made a bet with First Officer Zhirnov that he, Kliuyev, could make an instrument-only approach with curtained cockpit windows, thus having no visual contact with the ground, instead of an NDB approach, suggested by the air traffic control.[2] Kliuyev further ignored the ground-proximity warning at an altitude of 62–65 m (203–213 ft) and did not make the suggested go-around.[2] The aircraft touched down on the runway at a speed of 150 kn (280 km/h; 170 mph) and came to rest upside down after overrunning the runway.[2] Sixty-three people died during the accident and seven more in hospitals later.[

[TKthunder2 5010]

18 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

How about this one.

While approaching Kurumoch Airport, Captain Kliuyev made a bet with First Officer Zhirnov that he, Kliuyev, could make an instrument-only approach with curtained cockpit windows, thus having no visual contact with the ground, instead of an NDB approach, suggested by the air traffic control.[2] Kliuyev further ignored the ground-proximity warning at an altitude of 62–65 m (203–213 ft) and did not make the suggested go-around.[2] The aircraft touched down on the runway at a speed of 150 kn (280 km/h; 170 mph) and came to rest upside down after overrunning the runway.[2] Sixty-three people died during the accident and seven more in hospitals later.[

So who won the bet? The terms weren’t clear…