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[Sawbonz 27111]

3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

His party encourages it, so I'm going to start calling Poe pigfucker on every thread.

Don’t call her that it’s rude

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

I haven't seen this piece posted here yet:

 

 

I Thought I Was Saving Trans Kids. Now I’m Blowing the Whistle.

There are more than 100 pediatric gender clinics across the U.S. I worked at one. What’s happening to children is morally and medically appalling.

By Jamie Reed

February 9, 2023

 

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

[wildcat09 29085]

An anecdotal account by a single person who published it on Bari Weiss's substack, where Bari is notorious for not fact checking anything she publishes.  

I'm not a scientist, but I don't think that's going to meet Ana's evidentiary standards.

[safe sex 11621]

Lmao this reads like so much bullshit

[TexLonghorn 5573]

Oh, well I didn't know this one person who I've never met or heard of before has an opinion on the issue.  I guess that settles the debate now.  I mean, look at her... she worked at a place for 4 years.  She identifies as queer.  And she is telling her story, putting herself at great personal and professional risk - she'll tell you that herself.  I'm convinced.  Debate over.

 

[wildcat09 29085]

The "...I'm a liberal but..." intro is peak reactionary moral panic bullshit meant to sell conservative lies. "I'm a liberal but this push for voting rights is a step too far..." "I'm a liberal but I think gay marriage would infringe on religious freedom..." "I'm a liberal but I think poor people should starve to death..." "I'm a liberal but I think trans people need to be murdered en masse..." Etc.

[Serak The Preparer 3416]

@DalTxHornFan thinks aggy really is helpful at showing visitors how to get to the stadium. 

[Sawbonz 27111]

1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I haven't seen this piece posted here yet:

 

[Anastasis 23274]

5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I'm not a scientist, but I don't think that's going to meet Ana's evidentiary standards.

Anecdotes hold no real weight when it comes to casual inference. But y’all lawyers love them when it comes to rhetoric. Unless they don’t support the rhetoric preferred per your ideology. Then you bang on the table.

[safe sex 11621]

She just doesn't sound credible whatsoever. And from where it was published, even less so.

 

[Willfully Horn 7910]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Anecdotes hold no real weight when it comes to casual inference. But y’all lawyers love them when it comes to rhetoric. Unless they don’t support the rhetoric preferred per your ideology. Then you bang on the table.

Well, some state’s law don’t support the right to pursue happiness, and acceptable fact (among those who are supposedly credentialed) can be deemed far more fluid than the support of fundamental rights, so, axioms gonna axiom.

I’m not disagreeing with your facts, rather noting that facts were declared by others.

[fattyflattie 4636]

16 hours ago, TexLonghorn said:

Oh, well I didn't know this one person who I've never met or heard of before has an opinion on the issue.  I guess that settles the debate now.  I mean, look at her... she worked at a place for 4 years.  She identifies as queer.  And she is telling her story, putting herself at great personal and professional risk - she'll tell you that herself.  I'm convinced.  Debate over.

 

The most prolific poster on this thread checks every single one of those boxes (nearly to a T), provides literally only anecdotal experiences, and yet her word is taken for gospel. Is anecdotal experience legitimate or not?

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

16 hours ago, safe sex said:

Lmao this reads like so much bullshit

It's like *Norma McCovey the sequel.

 

*For those unaware, McCovey (AKA Roe) was the Texan who confessed she only became an anti-abortion advocate because she was paid by Christian evangelicals.

[safe sex 11621]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

The most prolific poster on this thread checks every single one of those boxes (nearly to a T), provides literally only anecdotal experiences, and yet her word is taken for gospel. Is anecdotal experience legitimate or not?

Who?

[HenryJames 65786]

 

[Poe It Up 126]

 

For people that claim children transitioning isn’t happening, they sure get mad when you ban it. 

[safe sex 11621]

Literally no one claims that there aren't children transitioning, you walking herpes sore. 

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 hours ago, safe sex said:

Who?

You, of course.   I apologize if I got your gender incorrect; that was my understanding from your posts thru the years.  
 

For the record, I wasn’t suggesting your information is incorrect or should be disregarded, only that, as has been beat to fucking death by Ana, lots of information in this arena is going to trend towards being anecdotal. Even information coming from those in the medical field, and maybe we ought not disregard it so quickly.   

[Willfully Horn 7910]

 Mrs F learns Dick prefers to be called Jane. “Good morning, Jane.” says Mrs F.

Republicans: “Lock Dick’s parents and Mrs F in a cage.”

 

Fucking intrusive autocratic bootlickers.

[safe sex 11621]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

You, of course.   I apologize if I got your gender incorrect; that was my understanding from your posts thru the years.  
 

For the record, I wasn’t suggesting your information is incorrect or should be disregarded, only that, as has been beat to fucking death by Ana, lots of information in this arena is going to trend towards being anecdotal. Even information coming from those in the medical field, and maybe we ought not disregard it so quickly.   

I guess i just don't consider myself the most prolific poster in the thread.

Regardless, i am a real person who actually works with queer/trans/gender noncomforming people everyday, and my anecdotes can be backed up by every MD, NP, LCSW, and shrink i work with, and it's probably not all that hard to narrow down where in Austin i provide my care. I'm not some rando "case manager" (as if that actually has a specific definition) in a clinic crying wolf about things that do not resemble reality for anyone who works in this field. The vast, vast majority of clinicians who also work in this field are in agreement with pretty much anything I've said about trans care in this thread. 

So maybe my words should carry a little more weight than a fucking right-wing substack post? Especially since, as has been beat to death in this thread, denying trans children the ability to transition before puberty is cruel and increases suicidality. Something that people who want to block trans kids from care don't seem to give a shit about?

Potential osteoporosis or thromboses or infertility (which many trans people already want) pales in comparison to death as a risk. In order to lower the risk for the former, you must raise the latter. Why are you okay with that? 

Edited February 10, 2023 by safe sex

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

I could be wrong, but this story doesn't have the look of just being some "rando" whistleblower.  Truth will tell out as always, I expect. (Bolding mine.)

Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey Confirms Launch of Multi-Agency Investigation into St. Louis Transgender Center for Harming Hundreds of Children

Feb 9, 2023, 15:03 PM by AG Bailey

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – Now that the whistleblower has gone public with her allegations about the Pediatric Transgender Center at St. Louis Children’s Hospital, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey confirms that two weeks ago the Attorney General’s Office began a full investigation into these shocking allegations. The Office has already received a sworn affidavit from the whistleblower and documents that support her allegations. The Missouri Department of Social Services and Division of Professional Registration are assisting the investigation.

https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2023/02/09/missouri-attorney-general-andrew-bailey-confirms-launch-of-multi-agency-investigation-into-st.-louis-transgender-center-for-harming-hundreds-of-children

The affidavit of the whistleblower can be read here:

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/2-07-2023-reed-affidavit---signed.pdf?sfvrsn=6a64d339_2

Edited February 10, 2023 by DalTxHornFan

[safe sex 11621]

I read enough of the affidavit to be even more convinced this person is full of shit.

Edited February 10, 2023 by safe sex
spelling, gross

[wildcat09 29085]

Republicans challenging the 2020 election had hundreds of bullshit affidavits they likely paid people for. 

[Sawbonz 27111]

The bilateral mastectomies on a minor should be easily proven / disproven. 
 

could be teenage boy w gynecomastia too

[safe sex 11621]

It was the child who identified as a "communist attack helicopter" that sealed the bullshit deal on the affidavit for me, not that anything i saw before was much more believable.

That right wing trope has been around for over a decade now. It has no basis in reality. 

This woman was paid for her affadvit.

Edited February 10, 2023 by safe sex
spelling, bleh

[Foosters 17682]

 

46 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Truth will tell out as always, I expect. (Bolding mine.)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

[TexLonghorn 5573]

This "whistleblower" isn't even advocating that transgender care as a whole is wrong - she's indicating that the facility she worked with was actually committing medical malpractice - intentionally misdiagnosing ailments, concealing potential side effects of medication, intentionally using only therapists who will back up a diagnosis even before consultation.  That is neither an indictment of transgender care nor evidence that every facility involved in transgender care uses the same tactics (even IF true for the one facility she worked for).

As for whose anecdotal evidence carries weight, Fatty, there IS a difference between me or anyone on "my" side accepting anecdotal evidence and you or anyone on "your" side accepting anecdotal evidence.  Aside from whether you see what I view as clear red flags in this "whistleblower's" claim, and aside from whether I would take anecdotal evidence from someone who has actually GONE THROUGH gender dysphoria and transgendering over the report of someone who merely worked NEAR the process, there is still a crucial distinction.

Those on "my" side are not under any idea that EVERYONE MUST go through gender reassignment, whereas "your" side believes that they have the right to prevent EVERYONE THEY WANT from going through it.  Whether you like it or not, that puts us at having different standards of proof.  You have to overcome and somehow overrule that this process is between the person, family, and physician, and instead prove why it must be banned entirely by government members who have never gone through the process, and for the most part, grew up before the subject was even discussed/researched/investigated.

The ultimate truth of the matter is that it's nice to see what everyone's opinion is here, but until anyone shows me that they have actually done research themselves into the causes, remedies, and effects, of gender dysphoria, it's just talk.  I don't really care that someone thinks they can read published studies and try to poke holes in their methodology - Have they conducted their own studies?  How long have they been studying in the field?  Not a single day?   Ok, thanks for the input.  And I don't care that some lady somewhere complains about staying on a job she supposedly morally objected to because she wanted financial benefit from it.

[Captainant 27195]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

It was the child who identified as a "communist attack helicopter" that sealed the bullshit deal on the affadvit for me, not that anything i saw before was much more believable.

That right wing trope has been around for over a decade now. It has no basis in reality. 

This woman was paid for her affadvit.

Wow I thought you were joking - line 15 of the affidavit. Hahahahaholy shit @DalTxHornFan you are one easy to fool sonofabitch to fall for a fucking copypasta in fascist grievance politics

Edited February 10, 2023 by Captainant

[aggie08 21150]

[safe sex 11621]

Conservatives want so so so badly to believe that there are teenagers who are demanding to use litter boxes in school because they identify as cats, that there are children who say they "identify as blind" (also in the affidavit) who are then treated as blind by us ~cRAzY gRoOmERs~ who just want to queer their bodies and ruin their ability to have little straight cisgender grandchildren, because the thought of that turns us on or something. It's one of the most pathetic displays of willful ignorance and bigotry I've ever seen in my life.

This country is so fucking bizarre. A man who makes millions and millions of dollars every year gets to spread that pernicious, actively harmful lie with little consequence to millions of people all over the world. I have to beg our insured patients to switch their prescriptions with us to contract pharmacies so we can keep the lights on and provide completely free-of-charge care to everyone who sees us.

3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

You, of course.   I apologize if I got your gender incorrect; that was my understanding from your posts thru the years. 

Btw, you didn't misgender me, but I just want to quote this section of your post again, fatty, as an example of exactly how to handle a case of misgendering someone. People seem to really struggle with that. Just apologize sincerely and move on. <--- tmyk, my PSA of the day

Edited February 11, 2023 by safe sex

[mchookem 15732]

1 hour ago, TexLonghorn said:

This "whistleblower" isn't even advocating that transgender care as a whole is wrong - she's indicating that the facility she worked with was actually committing medical malpractice - intentionally misdiagnosing ailments, concealing potential side effects of medication, intentionally using only therapists who will back up a diagnosis even before consultation.  That is neither an indictment of transgender care nor evidence that every facility involved in transgender care uses the same tactics (even IF true for the one facility she worked for).

was going to post this, point seems obvious. 

assuming her stories are true (no guarantee, but i"m willing to see what the investigation actually uncovers, i.e. actual evidence/victims?), it's potentially an indictment of this facility. period. 

reminds me of that Gosnell fuck, who literally everyone agrees was a monster, but most still believe female reproductive choice should be a thing that exists in this country. 

it should take only minimal critical thinking skills to grasp that concept. good luck everybody!

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

This thread frequently reminds me of a book that I haven't read in quite awhile as my children are older and I read it myself as a child. It really stayed with me. For one, because the protagonist is a female and was going through some things--so relatable to me as a young person, but also because the message in the book was an important one.

A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle.  It's probably in the process of being banned and removed from school libraries that have not yet done so, but a scene in that book, a boy bouncing a ball, out of rhythm to all the other children on the sidewalk in front of their houses bouncing balls, and he accidentally drops this ball. Later i the novel, he is spotted by Meg and Calvin (two of the main characters) and he is being tortured in a cell with pulsing walls. He is required to bounce his ball in time with each pulse of the wall so as to learn how to do it as the other children do and each time he does so it causes him great pain and he is screaming in anguish. In order to create order, the society where Meg and Calvin are visiting has decided to 'kill' difference. Uniformity leads to happiness is their mindset.

There is, of course, more to the story, but it is a wonderful book and I have probably forgotten more than I remember but that scene has always always lingered.

One in five children suffers from anxiety.  Almost five million children live in households with unlocked and accessible guns. But Christopher Rufo knows that he can flood the airwaves with cries of CRT, "gay groomers", and transgender children, others will parrot his outcry and the larger society  will push the various  'out' groups into cells so that he can be happy with the order he has created. Just so damn sad.

 

If you haven't ever read the book (it won the Newbery Award), I can recommend it and to your children as well. I looked up the reading level because it has been so long and it's around grades 5-7 but I wouldn't let that deter an adult who enjoys a good read.

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

I never presented her as gospel.  But I saw that the story was gaining traction out on the interwebs and thought that it worthy to be discussed in this thread.  As I've said before -- truth will tell.

[hayden_horn 11348]

36 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I never presented her as gospel.  But I saw that the story was gaining traction out on the interwebs and thought that it worthy to be discussed in this thread.  As I've said before -- truth will tell.

I'm so close to negging this post

You saw a story gaining traction the internet?  How old are you? 70+? Jesus christ

[TwiceHorn 30966]

As far as I know, Wash U School of Medicine is pretty top flight.  I find it difficult to believe that such a high-caliber institution would create or permit to exist with its affiliation such an apparently sloppy operation, or one that disregards medical and scientific protocols as described in the article and affidavit.

That's about like having a pill mill run as UTSW Medical School Chronic Pain Clinic.  Dubious.

Something's fucky.

[TwiceHorn 30966]

3 hours ago, safe sex said:

It was the child who identified as a "communist attack helicopter" that sealed the bullshit deal on the affidavit for me, not that anything i saw before was much more believable.

That right wing trope has been around for over a decade now. It has no basis in reality. 

This woman was paid for her affadvit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Sexually_Identify_as_an_Attack_Helicopter

ETA:  An article from the STL Dispatch. https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/health/why-jamie-reed-went-public-with-her-allegations-about-a-st-louis-transgender-clinic/article_9e847540-8112-5a76-8b11-113372dd0e08.html

She tries to paint herself as a concerned citizen and lawful whistleblower.  But her attorneys aren't whistleblower specialists, but rather:

She referred follow-up questions to her attorneys, Ernie Trakas, the Republican St. Louis County councilman, and Vernadette Broyles, of Norcross, Georgia. Broyles is president and general counsel of the Child & Parental Rights Campaign, which says it exists to respond to a “radical new ideology” leading children to believe they could be “born in the wrong body.”

It would seem Ms. Reed is at best being manipulated.

Edited February 11, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Captainant 27195]

46 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I never presented her as gospel.  But I saw that the story was gaining traction out on the interwebs and thought that it worthy to be discussed in this thread.  As I've said before -- truth will tell.

No, you're just repeating hateful disinformation that was created with the intent to use the power of the state to subjugate an "other" group that YOU find icky. Don't bring your mealy mouthed "people are saying, not ME!" jordan peterson bullshit in here. 

Own your bigoted position and that you lack the critical thought process to think past your hate

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

32 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

I'm so close to negging this post

You saw a story gaining traction the internet?  How old are you? 70+? Jesus christ

Awesome.  Neg away, "Mr. Moderator" -- this is a big national story that is totally on point for this thread.

[aggie08 21150]

2 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

this is a big national story

It's not, though. Just among the shit holes you frequent.

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

9 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Awesome.  Neg away, "Mr. Moderator" -- this is a big national story that is totally on point for this thread.

Thanks, bud.  I didn't think that moderating involved advocacy, but I now know better.  Good job!

[hayden_horn 11348]

16 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Awesome.  Neg away, "Mr. Moderator" -- this is a big national story that is totally on point for this thread.

sure thing. negs away. not that i need your permission to neg away.

what part of this big national story is most concerning for you? 

[hayden_horn 11348]

5 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Thanks, bud.  I didn't think that moderating involved advocacy, but I now know better.  Good job!

has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Engrish is good!

[Anastasis 23274]

1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

You saw a story gaining traction the internet?  How old are you? 70+? Jesus christ

This new CR standard for critical thinking, broadly applied, would certainly be welcome. 

[hayden_horn 11348]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This new CR standard for critical thinking, broadly applied, would certainly be welcome. 

you [serious] clark?

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Sexually_Identify_as_an_Attack_Helicopter

ETA:  An article from the STL Dispatch. https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/health/why-jamie-reed-went-public-with-her-allegations-about-a-st-louis-transgender-clinic/article_9e847540-8112-5a76-8b11-113372dd0e08.html

She tries to paint herself as a concerned citizen and lawful whistleblower.  But her attorneys aren't whistleblower specialists, but rather:

She referred follow-up questions to her attorneys, Ernie Trakas, the Republican St. Louis County councilman, and Vernadette Broyles, of Norcross, Georgia. Broyles is president and general counsel of the Child & Parental Rights Campaign, which says it exists to respond to a “radical new ideology” leading children to believe they could be “born in the wrong body.”

It would seem Ms. Reed is at best being manipulated.

Interesting input, Twice.  I'd not seen that.  Thanks.

[TwiceHorn 30966]

6 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Interesting input, Twice.  I'd not seen that.  Thanks.

It may be nothing, but you'd think a nominally queer person who's actually just concerned about something s/he witnessed might find more neutral lawyers.

Trakas is an STL city councilman, albeit a Republican.  Can't see anything that paints him as some kind of rabid culture warrior, other than the R, which seems to be a fairly reliable indicator these days.  If it were just him, I might give her the benefit of the doubt, but that Vernadette woman has an axe to grind and no local connection whatsoever.

[DalTxHornFan 3074]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It may be nothing, but you'd think a nominally queer person who's actually just concerned about something s/he witnessed might find more neutral lawyers.

Trakas is an STL city councilman, albeit a Republican.  Can't see anything that paints him as some kind of rabid culture warrior, other than the R, which seems to be a fairly reliable indicator these days.  If it were just him, I might give her the benefit of the doubt, but that Vernadette woman has an axe to grind and no local connection whatsoever.

I appreciate that data point.  I obviously have my own POV, as we all do, but I really enjoy learning from errybody and figuring out that I don't know all of the answers all of the time.

[safe sex 11621]

So now that you've figured out that you don't have all the answers, will you defer to the people who do have the best current answer on how to help trans people?

[aggie08 21150]

8 minutes ago, safe sex said:

So now that you've figured out that you don't have all the answers, will you defer to the people who do have the best current answer on how to help trans people?

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