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[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

 Boring is better for me.  At least now anyways. 

You have children. That is never boring. Even during those late night diaper changes, one can ponder how such a smiling cooing twelve pound bundle of human is able to generate so much mess in so little time.

I do not believe anyone on here is making the tabula rosa argument with respect to children. Nature and nurture combine to make us so very special. However, there does seem to be one specific person in this thread who appears much more supportive towards the biology is destiny idea, whereas your comment regarding spectrums of behaviors, influences upon environments, frequencies of occurence, etc is much more prevalent and based in nature itself. Within each species there is and are varieties and homogeneity and exclusivity has its downside within populations. I am not a population geneticist so I'll excuse myself from that discussion, but  those scientists will readily admit there is a lot they do not know.

That is not to say that generalities or commonalities regarding sex/gender, etc do not exist, but that in the desire to sift and winnow people into neat and tidy categories in order to malign or abuse those that don't 'meet the standard' set by those 'standard setters' a lot of harm can and has been done.

 

[YGIFS 19445]

20 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

You have children. That is never boring. Even during those late night diaper changes, one can ponder how such a smiling cooing twelve pound bundle of human is able to generate so much mess in so little time.

I do not believe anyone on here is making the tabula rosa argument with respect to children. Nature and nurture combine to make us so very special. However, there does seem to be one specific person in this thread who appears much more supportive towards the biology is destiny idea, whereas your comment regarding spectrums of behaviors, influences upon environments, frequencies of occurence, etc is much more prevalent and based in nature itself. Within each species there is and are varieties and homogeneity and exclusivity has its downside within populations. I am not a population geneticist so I'll excuse myself from that discussion, but  those scientists will readily admit there is a lot they do not know.

That is not to say that generalities or commonalities regarding sex/gender, etc do not exist, but that in the desire to sift and winnow people into neat and tidy categories in order to malign or abuse those that don't 'meet the standard' set by those 'standard setters' a lot of harm can and has been done.

 

All of this.  I get that people feel compelled to classify and rank others to adhere to their sense of 'normalcy.'  It's often borne from religion, politics, upbringing, community, basically everything EXCEPT nature.  What I don't get is why they take that classification/ranking system of judgement and try to supplant it over legislative policy. 

We need to all remember that this forum, as berated as it is by others on the board, is much more elevated than the discourse in most of this country.  Because it's frequented by people far more educated than the average American.  We stoop to some lows, but our lows are an intellectual pinnacle compared to facebook, 4chan, reddit, et. al.  I am spoiled in that I can walk across campus on any given day and hear from the extremely intelligent and well-researched folks on the right at the Clements Center, the Civitas Institute, or the Salem Center for Policy and their equals and contemporaries on the left at LBJ Foundation, Strauss Center, or programs by VP for DEI.  Most Texans get an hour of FoxNews each night and an overly-political deacon chat at their church men's group.  That's it.  That's their worldview.  Everything has to fit into a box for them not necessarily based outta hate or fear, but out of the simple fact they lack the intellectual prowess to NOT have everything in a pre-approved box.  It's a terrifying way to go through life; and they are in a perpetual cycle of self-condemnation that they cannot see.  I'd feel genuinely bad for them if they weren't such fucking assholes about it.  

Edited February 13, 2023 by YGIFS

[MissingInAction 24689]

Seriously what was up with all the porn littering every wooded area? Were dudes just scampering off into the brush to snap one off? 

Kids these days have no idea the struggle our boners endured.

[YGIFS 19445]

"Boners Endured"???  Didn't they open for the Flaming Lips a few years ago at SXSW?  At the very least, it's the working title of South Austin's Mom's biopic.  

I tried to tell my wife once that porn in the woods was really a thing for a few years in the 80's.  I couldn't get through the story without laughing so she ended up not believing me.  In hindsight, it does sound beyond bizarre.  "Look, when we were like 12...those of us who didn't have older brothers or Cinemax, we'd get our porn in the woods.  Cool older kids, or most likely pedophiles sorting a game of entrapment, would literally discard old porno mags in the forest preserve within a 30-minute bike ride of my house.  You'd usually take it back home and hide it under your mattress for a few days, and then return it in roughly the same area as you found.  You know those little neighborhood crafty libraries that popped up during Covid-19?  This was like that, but instead of a little blue house on a fence post with books inside, it was in the dark, damp woods of northern Illinois.  Instead of Harry Potter books passed down to younger kids, it was 'Chunky Asses, March 1987.'  By the time I was 18, porn was already on DVDs with internet porn just a few years away.  But this is how we did it in the analog days of our youth.  Trust me, every one of your male cousins did it this way back in the 80's." 

She has absolutely no problem understanding that gay men used to meet at truck stops and rest areas for quickies back in the 80's, but a kid finding a Penthouse in the woods behind the baseball fields is just a bridge too far.    

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Oh, I'm extremely boring and I know it.  Why I don't bother people IRL.  That's where you come in, royiv   

After eating my crazy super bowl meal which was a chicken caesar salad, I fell asleep during the halftime show because I had to get up so early to help make donuts for our church faith formation group.  15 years ago on Super Bowl Sunday, I was doing drugs with Mick Jones of the Clash at a bar on West Sixth.  Boring is better for me.  At least now anyways. 

Super Bowl parties are meh. Had homemade bolognese for dinner right at kick off. I watched the second half while taking a soak in the bathtub drinking wine.  I dozed off more than once.
 

Now our rainbow cabal 4 year old trans gender reveal and indoctrination parties that’s where it’s at! But they conflict with our satanic ritual Super Bowl halftime recruitment events so they never occur at that time. I got out of the front line recruiting a few years ago, it’s hard work. All that hard work pays off though, and the captured minds are so enjoyable to watch as they repeat our mantras of wokeness as their own - the things we chanted over them while they were hypnotized under our spells when we first found them. It’s beautiful to watch. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 hour ago, MissingInAction said:

Seriously what was up with all the porn littering every wooded area?

It is the Ents. Because the Entwives went missing.

[bolverk 29177]

Even in small-town West Texas, they could be found amidst a motte of mesquite.

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

You have children. That is never boring. Even during those late night diaper changes, one can ponder how such a smiling cooing twelve pound bundle of human is able to generate so much mess in so little time.

I do not believe anyone on here is making the tabula rosa argument with respect to children. Nature and nurture combine to make us so very special. However, there does seem to be one specific person in this thread who appears much more supportive towards the biology is destiny idea, whereas your comment regarding spectrums of behaviors, influences upon environments, frequencies of occurence, etc is much more prevalent and based in nature itself. Within each species there is and are varieties and homogeneity and exclusivity has its downside within populations. I am not a population geneticist so I'll excuse myself from that discussion, but  those scientists will readily admit there is a lot they do not know.

That is not to say that generalities or commonalities regarding sex/gender, etc do not exist, but that in the desire to sift and winnow people into neat and tidy categories in order to malign or abuse those that don't 'meet the standard' set by those 'standard setters' a lot of harm can and has been done.

 

I read a Nautilus article a while back (scientific articles sent by email newsletter) a few years back that (and this is a paraphrase from memory) that stated the pathway to sex expression through the XX/XY gene expression is not singular - female on / male off - and it’s not even just a few more toggles with mutations like XXY, etc. there are actually dozens of switches (to use a phrase) to arrive at expression of male and female. Some are anatomically expressed, some are hormone related having in some cases secondary anatomical expression, and there are some that are purely brain related.  Add to that experiences in utero that have an impact on brain structure and you have dozens of potential opportunities for transgender, non-binary, even sexuality expressions that are different from binary, cisgender, heterosexual expressions. But the bottom line, is gender as we informally refer to it as the combination of anatomy, secondary expression from hormones and brain composition, is quite complex. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

I read a Nautilus article a while back (scientific articles sent by email newsletter) a few years back that (and this is a paraphrase from memory) that stated the pathway to sex expression through the XX/XY gene expression is not singular - female on / male off - and it’s not even just a few more toggles with mutations like XXY, etc. there are actually dozens of switches (to use a phrase) to arrive at expression of male and female. Some are anatomically expressed, some are hormone related having in some cases secondary anatomical expression, and there are some that are purely brain related.  Add to that experiences in utero that have an impact on brain structure and you have dozens of potential opportunities for transgender, non-binary, even sexuality expressions that are different from binary, cisgender, heterosexual expressions. But the bottom line, is gender as we informally refer to it as the combination of anatomy, secondary expression from hormones and brain composition, is quite complex. 

It's why I support research funding that is not wholly private but also not politicized (yeah, a pipe dream). So much we are learning. If you read about 'junk' DNA, the views/information about that has changed over time and they are making new discoveries and it's fascinating what else we can learn.

We take for granted so much but the workhorse askers of questions who then get in the lab and try and find answers build upon each other. Have you ever thought about how anti-depressant medications have been developed and changed over time? And yet, there is still so much we don't know about how various biochemical functions interact.

Dumbing down the populace does not provide for an optimistic future.

 

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My first playboy was hidden near a fence in a drainage ditch so kinda like in the woods. Kids take them from their dads and put them the best place they know to hide them - then other kids find them later. It was definitely a thing before the internet. 

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I'm sure they're just deeply concerned about the welfare of children and the need for scientific rigor, though.

[Bojack 2073]

6 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Seriously what was up with all the porn littering every wooded area? Were dudes just scampering off into the brush to snap one off? 

Kids these days have no idea the struggle our boners endured.

I always figured that the Porn Fairy was an older teen or guy that didn't want his porn stash found by his mom, girlfriend, or wife. You can't just throw it in your kitchen trash can because whoever you're trying to hide it from might see it.  That's why you throw it out in the woods or the dumpster behind a TG&Y.  

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8 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I promise you 80% of this website has ADD in real life.  

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7 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Seriously what was up with all the porn littering every wooded area? Were dudes just scampering off into the brush to snap one off? 

Kids these days have no idea the struggle our boners endured.

Teenage Me: Had to get my porn through a scrambled signal coming out of a cable box, or a weather-beaten Jugs or Penthouse or Oui in the woods down the road from my house or behind a school, or a box hidden inside of another box inside of a suitcase, covered in old clothes in a friend's dad's closet or in a box mixed in with old school stuff my dad kept in the attic.

My Son, When He's a Teenager: Will have access to hundreds of billions of porn images and movies on his phone.

[atomheartbevo 89285]

Whatever you think about it, Abbott is going after the athletes

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/gov-abbott-shares-support-for-bills-banning-transgender-athletes-in-college-sports/

 

[Willfully Horn 7910]

^
That Billy Jean King cameo came to mind, where she door checked a dude in a commercial during the Super Bowl. It was funny.

If the argument is women are at a disadvantage competing against trans women, wouldn’t puberty blockers and hormone therapy mitigate that advantage.? Am I wrong, or is this another example of Rs creating problems they then use for political talking points?

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5 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

^
That Billy Jean King cameo came to mind, where she door checked a dude in a commercial during the Super Bowl. It was funny.

If the argument is women are at a disadvantage competing against trans women, wouldn’t puberty blockers and hormone therapy mitigate that advantage.? Am I wrong, or is this another example of Rs creating problems they then use for political talking points?

Absolutely but the goal is extermination or at least segregation. No differences at all if trans kids get care but not let’s block care for them then block sports participation. The last time we got into it about sports some vile shit was said. Around the edges and at the peak of championship performance may there be difference sure. But 99.99% if the time no. I’m a perfect example, an athlete and I compete where I belong and I win and lose and I would get smoked by the men. 

[TwiceHorn 30966]

10 hours ago, Poe It Up said:

children are this blank slate, it’s just not reality. 

And, maybe, then, they have conceptions of their own gender.  Valid ones.  That some woke librul didn't put there.

[Poe It Up 126]

34 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And, maybe, then, they have conceptions of their own gender.  Valid ones.  That some woke librul didn't put there.

Of course they do, I never argued gender dysphoria isn’t real. 

[YGIFS 19445]

Thousands of teens/20-somethings wrangling with sexuality, gender identity, depression, etc.  And turning to lack of care, self-medicating, prescription drug abuse, illegal narcotics, alcohol, self-inflicted wounds, psychiatric dysfunction, shaming, family disconnects, and each year losing too many to suicide and violent outbursts on others.  

And what do we continue to debate as a country as a result?  Women's tennis scholarships.  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

^
That Billy Jean King cameo came to mind, where she door checked a dude in a commercial during the Super Bowl. It was funny.

If the argument is women are at a disadvantage competing against trans women, wouldn’t puberty blockers and hormone therapy mitigate that advantage.? Am I wrong, or is this another example of Rs creating problems they then use for political talking points?

This has Lia Thomas written all over it. I’m not sure why the media is making any issue over this and why anyone would take issue with it. It will adversely affect no one except for the Thomases of the world. There is literally nothing to see here. 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Absolutely but the goal is extermination or at least segregation. No differences at all if trans kids get care but not let’s block care for them then block sports participation. The last time we got into it about sports some vile shit was said. Around the edges and at the peak of championship performance may there be difference sure. But 99.99% if the time no. I’m a perfect example, an athlete and I compete where I belong and I win and lose and I would get smoked by the men. 

Remember this thread the next time someone tries to claim that Texas is “live and let live” bastion of freedom.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Remember this thread the next time someone tries to claim that Texas is “live and let live” bastion of freedom.

Who claims that?  It’s not and it shouldn’t be. 

[YGIFS 19445]

Well for starters, the House/Senate GOP here passed a law that Abbott proudly signed literally called "The Freer Texas" Bill.  I was standing 10 yards from him when he introduced it as a strong indicator that Texas would continue to be a "beacon of freedom, where the mantra of "live and let live" would be preserved for all Texans."  

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Who claims that?  It’s not and it shouldn’t be. 

You have shown to be incredulous time and time again, so why should I bother?

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

Who claims that?  It’s not and it shouldn’t be. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Patricio Swayze said:

You have shown to be incredulous time and time again, so why should I bother?

I’m not incredulous. I just don’t agree you can have the hands-off government so many of us would prefer. It’s just not a reality in really any modern society. 

[troph 24417]

Theocracy is the best form of government intervention we already know this. Why do we keep arguing about it? 

[bolverk 29177]

1 hour ago, Porterhouse said:

I’m not incredulous. I just don’t agree you can have the hands-off government so many of us would prefer. It’s just not a reality in really any modern society. 

I'm guessing you'd much prefer the US and Texas would have the same policies as Russia on LGBTQ rights, sort of like your stated support for Putin so long as it props up your "cash flow." All you care about is that you've got yours. How very Christian of you.

 

I hope you lost a bundle on your foolish prediction last month for $90/bbl by now.

[wildcat09 29085]

1 hour ago, Porterhouse said:

I’m not incredulous. I just don’t agree you can have the hands-off government so many of us would prefer. It’s just not a reality in really any modern society. 

You’re welcome to move your bitch ass to Saudi Arabia any time you want.

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm guessing you'd much prefer the US and Texas would have the same policies as Russia on LGBTQ rights, sort of like your stated support for Putin so long as it props up your "cash flow." All you care about is that you've got yours. How very Christian of you.

 

I hope you lost a bundle on your foolish prediction last month for $90/bbl by now.

No, that was a joke, and no on Russian LGBTQ rights. Do you have an issue with Abbott comments, and if so why?

[YGIFS 19445]

That was a joke?  Goddamn, you are fucking hilarious.  Seriously one of the funniest people I've ever met.  We walk in your comedic shadow.

[bolverk 29177]

6 minutes ago, Porterhouse said:

No, that was a joke, and no on Russian LGBTQ rights. Do you have an issue with Abbott comments, and if so why?

Yes, because whoever competes in college athletics or the Olympics should be determined by their governing organizations. The rest is just theater to show off how much he is willing to punch down on a very small (and icky) minority group and prove his bonafides to closed-minded bigots.

 

Also, you're a liar about your "oil baron" comment in support of Putin as shown by your follow-up:

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They have a retaliatory attitude and don’t give a fuck. I appreciate that about them. I doubt they’re concerned about EU or us. They’re primarily concerned with getting the highest price possible for their benefit, and so am I. 

 Because fuck any and everyone else.

[Captainant 27195]

20 minutes ago, Porterhouse said:

No, that was a joke, and no on Russian LGBTQ rights. Do you have an issue with Abbott comments, and if so why?

 

13 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

That was a joke?  Goddamn, you are fucking hilarious.  Seriously one of the funniest people I've ever met.  We walk in your comedic shadow.

He also just used that excuse in the O&G thread after saying that he'd ride with Putin if it protected his oil profits. He's a real comedian

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Yes, because whoever competes in college athletics or the Olympics should be determined by their governing organizations. The rest is just theater to show off how much he is willing to punch down on a very small (and icky) minority group and prove his bonafides to closed-minded bigots.

 

Also, you're a liar about your "oil baron" comment in support of Putin as shown by your follow-up:

 Because fuck any and everyone else.

Fair enough on Abbott. I think he’s probably protecting against Emmert but agreed on the theatre aspect. 

I posted a fucking pic of a shirtless Putin taken and publicized by the Kremlin. I thought the tongue in cheek was pretty obvious.  I hate Putin. I was making a joke. 

[bolverk 29177]

4 minutes ago, Porterhouse said:

Fair enough on Abbott. I think he’s probably protecting against Emmert but agreed on the theatre aspect. 

I posted a fucking pic of a shirtless Putin taken and publicized by the Kremlin. I thought the tongue in cheek was pretty obvious.  I hate Putin. I was making a joke. 

Your second comment belies that "joke," which I thought it was when first seeing the Putin pic. But your true beliefs are that you've got yours and fuck anyone getting in the way or threatening your money / social status.

You like to hide in that thread throwing around some real CR shit sometimes, forgetting that others might lurk for either personal or financial interests besides betting the markets.

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Over the past year, we have seen a sweeping and ferocious attack on the rights and dignity of transgender people across the country.

In states led by Republicans, conservative lawmakers have introduced or passed dozens of laws that would give religious exemptions for discrimination against transgender people, prohibit the use of bathrooms consistent with their gender identity and limit access to gender-affirming care.

In lashing out against L.G.B.T.Q. people, lawmakers in at least eight states have even gone as far as to introduce bans on “drag” performance that are so broad as to threaten the ability of gender-nonconforming people simply to exist in public.

Some of the most powerful Republicans in the country want to go even further. Donald Trump has promised to radically limit transgender rights if he is returned to the White House in 2024. In a video address to supporters, he said he would push Congress to pass a national ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth and restrict Medicare and Medicaid funding for hospitals and medical professionals providing that care.

He wants to target transgender adults as well. “I will sign a new executive order instructing every federal agency to cease all programs that promote the concept of sex and gender transition at any age,” Trump said. “I will ask Congress to pass a bill establishing that the only genders recognized by the United States government are male and female, and they are assigned at birth.”

There is plenty to say about the reasoning and motivation for this attack — whether it comes from Trump, Gov. Ron DeSantis in Florida or Gov. Greg Abbott in Texas — but the important thing to note, for now, is that it is a direct threat to the lives and livelihoods of transgender people. It’s the same for other L.G.B.T.Q. Americans, who once again find themselves in the cross-hairs of an aggressive movement of social conservatives who have become all the more emboldened in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade last year.

This is no accident. The attacks on transgender people and L.G.B.T.Q. rights are of a piece with the attack on abortion and reproductive rights. It is a singular assault on the bodily autonomy of all Americans, meant to uphold and reinforce traditional hierarchies of sex and gender.

Politicians and those of us in the media tend to frame these conflicts as part of a “culture war,” which downplays their significance to our lives — not just as people living in the world, but as presumably equal citizens in a democracy.

Democracy, remember, is not just a set of rules and institutions, but a way of life. In the democratic ideal, we meet one another in the public sphere as political and social equals, imbued with dignity and entitled to the same rights and privileges.

 

I have referred to dignity twice now. That is intentional. Outside of certain select phrases (“the dignity of labor”), we don’t talk much about dignity in American politics, despite the fact that the demands of many groups for dignity and respect in public life have been a driving force in American history since the beginning. To that point, one of the great theorists of dignity and democracy in the United States was none other than Frederick Douglass, whose experience in bondage gave him a lifelong preoccupation with the ways that dignity is either cultivated or denied.

 

Douglass observed “that although dignity seems to be woven into human nature, it is also something one possesses to the degree that one is conscious of having it,” the historian Nicholas Knowles Bromell writes in “The Powers of Dignity: The Black Political Philosophy of Frederick Douglass,” “and one’s own consciousness of having it depends in part on making others conscious of it. Others’ recognition of it then flows back and confirms one’s belief in having it, but conversely their refusal to recognize it has the opposite effect of weakening one’s confidence in one’s own dignity.”

 

It is easy to see how this relates to chattel slavery, a totalizing system in which enslaved Black Americans struggled to assert their dignity and self-respect in the face of a political, social and economic order that sought to rob them of both. But Douglass explored this idea in other contexts as well.

Writing after the Civil War on women’s suffrage, Douglass asked his readers to see the “plain” fact that “women themselves are divested of a large measure of their natural dignity by their exclusion from and participation in Government.” To “deny woman her vote,” Douglass continued, “is to abridge her natural and social power, and to deprive her of a certain measure of respect.” A woman, he concluded, “loses in her own estimation by her enforced exclusion from the elective franchise just as slaves doubted their own fitness for freedom, from the fact of being looked down upon as fit only for slaves.”

 

Similarly, in her analysis of Douglass’s political thought — published in the volume “African-American Political Thought: A Collected History” — the political theorist Sharon R. Krause shows how Douglass “clearly believed that slavery and prejudice can degrade an individual against his will” and generate, in his words, “poverty, ignorance and degradation.”

 

Although Douglass never wrote a systematic account of his vision of democracy, Bromell contends that we can extrapolate such an account from the totality of his writing and activism. “A democracy,” Douglass’s work suggests, “is a polity that prizes human dignity,” Bromell writes. “It comes into existence when a group of persons agrees to acknowledge each other’s dignity, both informally, through mutually respectful comportment, and formally, through the establishment of political rights.” All of our freedoms, in Bromell’s account of Douglass, “are means toward the end of maintaining a political community in which all persons collaboratively produce their dignity.”

 

The denial of dignity to one segment of the political community, then, threatens the dignity of all. This was true for Douglass and his time — it inspired his support for women’s suffrage and his opposition to the Chinese Exclusion Act — and it is true for us and ours as well. To deny equal respect and dignity to any part of the citizenry is to place the entire country on the road to tiered citizenship and limited rights, to liberty for some and hierarchy for the rest.

 

Put plainly, the attack on the dignity of transgender Americans is an attack on the dignity of all Americans. And like the battles for abortion rights and bodily autonomy, the stakes of the fight for the rights and dignity of transgender people are high for all of us. There is no world in which their freedom is suppressed and yours is sustained

From Jamelle Bouie at the Times a few days ago

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It's hard to explain the cognitive turmoil that all of this hate and barrage of legislation has on us.  They are unrelenting in their attempts to outlaw us or prevent us from participating in society as equals in the ideal of our democracy and the ideal of dignity, something their own savior gave to prostitutes, divorcees (subject to death sentences back then), lepers, blind, maimed people and gentiles. The only salve is that I no longer have the cognitive turmoil coming from inside. External, as unrelenting as it is too, is much easier to push to the side at times. 

Reading that article, and my mind immediately goes to planning, how would I survive?  I have several ways I'd go about it, all would have a drastic impact on my life.  Frankly, I can see one day - hopefully at 80-90 something saying, I've had enough and doing what I might have done in my 40's or 50's had I not transitioned.  Yes, suicide is always an option, and often times the best way out. That's not a cry for help, I'm not offing myself today, I'm telling you there are places where trans people get backed into a corner where suicide is a realistic alternative. Imagine that, a rational, strong minded person, someone that is not at risk for suicide on a whim decides objectively that suicide really is the best alternative.  That's how bad it gets. I can't imagine being old in assisted living or in a nursing home. That abuse? no thank you.  At least at 80-90 I can say it was the end of life, but make no mistake about it, suicide is most likely the safest way out of here, even with loved ones trying to protect me during end of life care.

Truth is, we aren't made for this world. We don't belong. We walk this Earth as unwelcome aliens, foreigners that pose a threat to the status quo.  All we want is to live in peace. But no matter how much we beg, they won't listen because Jesus and scientific rigor.

you. yes you. the one reading this. you need to get off the fence. posting support isn't enough. lurking isn't enough. discrimination of any kind like this is abhorrent to our democracy and it's abhorrent to Christianity and its abhorrent to humanity. Everyone of you needs to stand up and say enough. If you are adamant you are right that trans people are a figment of our imagination and that we should be subjected to all of these laws then you need to look yourself in the mirror and acknowledge what you are doing. For no good reason, you are endorsing, aiding and abetting abusive, hostile and inhumane discrimination that kills human beings.

It's disgusting and someone you've known on these boards since 1996, who has kids, a life, a career, a family, a fucking puppy dog that loves her for crying out loud, a wife, and people who need her to get up and go to work every day is reeling from all of this. 

Make it stop.

[HenryJames 65786]

 

[royiv 9112]

46 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Here's his phone number: (501) 622-0860 in case anyone wants to give him a ring and have a discussion with him about his genitalia. When I called it went directly to voicemail. 

[troph 24417]

5 minutes ago, royiv said:

Here's his phone number: (501) 622-0860 in case anyone wants to give him a ring and have a discussion with him about his genitalia. When I called it went directly to voicemail. 

Mr. McKee, what you jerk off to and the type of sex worker you like to contract with is your business, I'm happy to leave that out of the public record, but can we please get back to talking about how damaging these laws are that you are proposing?

Edited February 16, 2023 by troph

[HenryJames 65786]

12 minutes ago, royiv said:

Here's his phone number: (501) 622-0860 in case anyone wants to give him a ring and have a discussion with him about his genitalia. When I called it went directly to voicemail. 

Should probably send dick pics.

[HenryJames 65786]

Serious political party.

[HenryJames 65786]

 

[wildcat09 29085]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Ted Kaczynski signing as an editor killed me.

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This is quite a leap from protecting the children. Sorry for the formatting; I'm on mobile: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB1029/2023

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A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

  

AN ACT

  relating to civil liability for, governmental health plan coverage

  of, and public funding for gender modification procedures and

  treatments.

         BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

         SECTION 1. The legislature finds that:

               (1) as evidenced by a 2018 video of a Vanderbilt

  University Medical Center administrator who promoted gender

  modification surgeries as financially beneficial and stated that

  entire clinics are being financed by phalloplasties, the medical

  community has knowledge that many so-called "gender affirming"

  treatments are not in the best interest of the health of the patient

  but rather are being promoted for the monetary gain the health care

  facilities will receive from providing those treatments; and

               (2) the medical community has a conflict of interest

  in offering gender modification treatments and procedures because

  those treatments and procedures create lifelong patients as a

  result of required follow-up visits after those treatments and

  procedures.

         SECTION 2. Title 4, Civil Practice and Remedies Code, is

  amended by adding Chapter 74B to read as follows:

  CHAPTER 74B. LIABILITY FOR GENDER MODIFICATION PROCEDURES AND

  TREATMENTS

         Sec. 74B.001. DEFINITION. In this chapter, "gender

  modification procedure or treatment" means a health care procedure

  or treatment provided for the purpose of transitioning a patient's

  biological sex, as determined by the patient's sex organs,

  chromosomes, and endogenous profiles, or affirming the patient's

  perception of the patient's sex if that perception is inconsistent

  with the patient's sex. The term includes:

               (1) a surgery that sterilizes the patient, including:

                     (A) castration;

                     (B) vasectomy;

                     (C) hysterectomy;

                     (D) oophorectomy;

                     (E) metoidioplasty;

                     (F) orchiectomy;

                     (G) penectomy;

                     (H) phalloplasty; and

                     (I) vaginoplasty;

               (2) a mastectomy;

               (3) the prescription, administration, or supply of any

  of the following medications that induce transient or permanent

  infertility:

                     (A) puberty-blocking medication to stop or delay

  normal puberty;

                     (B) supraphysiologic doses of testosterone to

  females; or

                     (C) supraphysiologic doses of estrogen to males;

  and

               (4) the removal of any otherwise healthy or

  non-diseased body part or tissue.

         Sec. 74B.002. CONFLICT OF LAWS. To the extent this chapter

  conflicts with another law, this chapter prevails.

         Sec. 74B.003. STRICT LIABILITY FOR HEALTH COVERAGE. A

  health benefit plan issuer is strictly liable to a patient for the

  patient's medical, mental health, and pharmaceutical costs,

  including costs associated with reversing a gender modification

  procedure or treatment, incurred for the life of the patient as a

  result of a gender modification procedure or treatment covered by

  the issuer's plan.

         Sec. 74B.004. LIABILITY FOR PHYSICIAN OR HEALTH CARE

  PROVIDER. A physician or health care provider who provides a gender

  modification procedure or treatment to a patient is:

               (1) liable to the patient for a malpractice claim in

  the provision of the procedure or treatment; and

               (2) strictly liable to the patient for the patient's

  medical, mental health, and pharmaceutical costs, including costs

  associated with reversing a gender modification procedure or

  treatment, incurred for the life of the patient as a result of the

  procedure or treatment.

         Sec. 74B.005. EXCEPTIONS. Sections 74B.003 and 74B.004 do

  not apply to the provision by a physician or health care provider,

  with the consent of a child's parent or legal guardian, if

  applicable, and the coverage by a health benefit plan of

  appropriate and medically necessary gender modification procedures

  or treatments to a patient who:

               (1) is born with a medically verifiable genetic

  disorder of sex development, including:

                     (A) 46,XX chromosomes with virilization;

                     (B) 46,XY chromosomes with undervirilization; or

                     (C) both ovarian and testicular tissue; or

               (2) does not have the normal sex chromosome structure

  for male or female as determined by a physician through genetic

  testing.

         SECTION 3. Subtitle F, Title 10, Government Code, is

  amended by adding Chapter 2273A to read as follows:

  CHAPTER 2273A. PROHIBITED USES OF PUBLIC MONEY

         Sec. 2273A.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

               (1) "Gender modification procedure or treatment" has

  the meaning assigned by Section 74B.001, Civil Practice and

  Remedies Code.

               (2) "Governmental entity" means this state, a state

  agency, or a political subdivision.

         Sec. 2273A.002. USE FOR GENDER MODIFICATION PROCEDURE OR

  TREATMENT. A governmental entity may not use or provide public

  money for the provision or administration of a gender modification

  procedure or treatment.

         SECTION 4. Subtitle E, Title 8, Insurance Code, is amended

  by adding Chapter 1372 to read as follows:

  CHAPTER 1372. PROHIBITED COVERAGE OF GENDER MODIFICATION

  PROCEDURES AND TREATMENTS

         Sec. 1372.001. DEFINITION. In this chapter, "gender

  modification procedure or treatment" has the meaning assigned by

  Section 74B.001, Civil Practice and Remedies Code.

         Sec. 1372.002. APPLICABILITY OF CHAPTER. Notwithstanding

  any other law, this chapter applies only to:

               (1) a basic coverage plan under Chapter 1551;

               (2) a basic plan under Chapter 1575;

               (3) a primary care coverage plan under Chapter 1579;

               (4) a plan providing basic coverage under Chapter

  1601;

               (5) the state Medicaid program, including the Medicaid

  managed care program operated under Chapter 533, Government Code;

  and

               (6) the child health plan program under Chapter 62,

  Health and Safety Code.

         Sec. 1372.003. PROHIBITED COVERAGE; EXCEPTION. (a) A

  health benefit plan may not provide coverage for a gender

  modification procedure or treatment.

         (b) This section does not apply to the coverage by a health

  benefit plan of appropriate and medically necessary gender

  modification procedures or treatments to a patient who:

               (1) is born with a medically verifiable genetic

  disorder of sex development, including:

                     (A) 46,XX chromosomes with virilization;

                     (B) 46,XY chromosomes with undervirilization; or

                     (C) both ovarian and testicular tissue; or

               (2) does not have the normal sex chromosome structure

  for male or female as determined by a physician through genetic

  testing.

         SECTION 5. (a) Chapter 74B, Civil Practice and Remedies

  Code, as added by this Act, applies only to a cause of action that

  accrues on or after the effective date of this Act.

         (b) The changes in law made by this Act apply only to a

  health benefit plan delivered, issued for delivery, or renewed on

  or after the effective date of this Act.

         SECTION 6. This Act takes effect September 1, 2023.

 

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This is quite a leap from protecting the children. Sorry for the formatting; I'm on mobile: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB1029/2023

 
 
 
  
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
  
AN ACT
  relating to civil liability for, governmental health plan coverage
  of, and public funding for gender modification procedures and
  treatments.
         BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
         SECTION 1. The legislature finds that:
               (1) as evidenced by a 2018 video of a Vanderbilt
  University Medical Center administrator who promoted gender
  modification surgeries as financially beneficial and stated that
  entire clinics are being financed by phalloplasties, the medical
  community has knowledge that many so-called "gender affirming"
  treatments are not in the best interest of the health of the patient
  but rather are being promoted for the monetary gain the health care
  facilities will receive from providing those treatments; and
               (2) the medical community has a conflict of interest
  in offering gender modification treatments and procedures because
  those treatments and procedures create lifelong patients as a
  result of required follow-up visits after those treatments and
  procedures.
         SECTION 2. Title 4, Civil Practice and Remedies Code, is
  amended by adding Chapter 74B to read as follows:
  CHAPTER 74B. LIABILITY FOR GENDER MODIFICATION PROCEDURES AND
  TREATMENTS
         Sec. 74B.001. DEFINITION. In this chapter, "gender
  modification procedure or treatment" means a health care procedure
  or treatment provided for the purpose of transitioning a patient's
  biological sex, as determined by the patient's sex organs,
  chromosomes, and endogenous profiles, or affirming the patient's
  perception of the patient's sex if that perception is inconsistent
  with the patient's sex. The term includes:
               (1) a surgery that sterilizes the patient, including:
                     (A) castration;
                     (B) vasectomy;
                     © hysterectomy;
                     (D) oophorectomy;
                     (E) metoidioplasty;
                     (F) orchiectomy;
                     (G) penectomy;
                     (H) phalloplasty; and
                     (I) vaginoplasty;
               (2) a mastectomy;
               (3) the prescription, administration, or supply of any
  of the following medications that induce transient or permanent
  infertility:
                     (A) puberty-blocking medication to stop or delay
  normal puberty;
                     (B) supraphysiologic doses of testosterone to
  females; or
                     © supraphysiologic doses of estrogen to males;
  and
               (4) the removal of any otherwise healthy or
  non-diseased body part or tissue.
         Sec. 74B.002. CONFLICT OF LAWS. To the extent this chapter
  conflicts with another law, this chapter prevails.
         Sec. 74B.003. STRICT LIABILITY FOR HEALTH COVERAGE. A
  health benefit plan issuer is strictly liable to a patient for the
  patient's medical, mental health, and pharmaceutical costs,
  including costs associated with reversing a gender modification
  procedure or treatment, incurred for the life of the patient as a
  result of a gender modification procedure or treatment covered by
  the issuer's plan.
         Sec. 74B.004. LIABILITY FOR PHYSICIAN OR HEALTH CARE
  PROVIDER. A physician or health care provider who provides a gender
  modification procedure or treatment to a patient is:
               (1) liable to the patient for a malpractice claim in
  the provision of the procedure or treatment; and
               (2) strictly liable to the patient for the patient's
  medical, mental health, and pharmaceutical costs, including costs
  associated with reversing a gender modification procedure or
  treatment, incurred for the life of the patient as a result of the
  procedure or treatment.
         Sec. 74B.005. EXCEPTIONS. Sections 74B.003 and 74B.004 do
  not apply to the provision by a physician or health care provider,
  with the consent of a child's parent or legal guardian, if
  applicable, and the coverage by a health benefit plan of
  appropriate and medically necessary gender modification procedures
  or treatments to a patient who:
               (1) is born with a medically verifiable genetic
  disorder of sex development, including:
                     (A) 46,XX chromosomes with virilization;
                     (B) 46,XY chromosomes with undervirilization; or
                     © both ovarian and testicular tissue; or
               (2) does not have the normal sex chromosome structure
  for male or female as determined by a physician through genetic
  testing.
         SECTION 3. Subtitle F, Title 10, Government Code, is
  amended by adding Chapter 2273A to read as follows:
  CHAPTER 2273A. PROHIBITED USES OF PUBLIC MONEY
         Sec. 2273A.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
               (1) "Gender modification procedure or treatment" has
  the meaning assigned by Section 74B.001, Civil Practice and
  Remedies Code.
               (2) "Governmental entity" means this state, a state
  agency, or a political subdivision.
         Sec. 2273A.002. USE FOR GENDER MODIFICATION PROCEDURE OR
  TREATMENT. A governmental entity may not use or provide public
  money for the provision or administration of a gender modification
  procedure or treatment.
         SECTION 4. Subtitle E, Title 8, Insurance Code, is amended
  by adding Chapter 1372 to read as follows:
  CHAPTER 1372. PROHIBITED COVERAGE OF GENDER MODIFICATION
  PROCEDURES AND TREATMENTS
         Sec. 1372.001. DEFINITION. In this chapter, "gender
  modification procedure or treatment" has the meaning assigned by
  Section 74B.001, Civil Practice and Remedies Code.
         Sec. 1372.002. APPLICABILITY OF CHAPTER. Notwithstanding
  any other law, this chapter applies only to:
               (1) a basic coverage plan under Chapter 1551;
               (2) a basic plan under Chapter 1575;
               (3) a primary care coverage plan under Chapter 1579;
               (4) a plan providing basic coverage under Chapter
  1601;
               (5) the state Medicaid program, including the Medicaid
  managed care program operated under Chapter 533, Government Code;
  and
               (6) the child health plan program under Chapter 62,
  Health and Safety Code.
         Sec. 1372.003. PROHIBITED COVERAGE; EXCEPTION. (a) A
  health benefit plan may not provide coverage for a gender
  modification procedure or treatment.
         (b) This section does not apply to the coverage by a health
  benefit plan of appropriate and medically necessary gender
  modification procedures or treatments to a patient who:
               (1) is born with a medically verifiable genetic
  disorder of sex development, including:
                     (A) 46,XX chromosomes with virilization;
                     (B) 46,XY chromosomes with undervirilization; or
                     © both ovarian and testicular tissue; or
               (2) does not have the normal sex chromosome structure
  for male or female as determined by a physician through genetic
  testing.
         SECTION 5. (a) Chapter 74B, Civil Practice and Remedies
  Code, as added by this Act, applies only to a cause of action that
  accrues on or after the effective date of this Act.
         (b) The changes in law made by this Act apply only to a
  health benefit plan delivered, issued for delivery, or renewed on
  or after the effective date of this Act.
         SECTION 6. This Act takes effect September 1, 2023.

 

Wait….hysterectomies would be banned? A fucking routine procedure done for a variety of medical reasons?
The fascists aren’t even trying to hide it anymore, they’re showing it off.

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What's the argument for banning hysterectomies?  Explain it to me like I'm dumb when it comes to medical practices, 'cause I am.  Explain it like you're a Genital Nazi.  

[safe sex 11621]

51 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

What's the argument for banning hysterectomies?  Explain it to me like I'm dumb when it comes to medical practices, 'cause I am.  Explain it like you're a Genital Nazi.  

Trans men routinely get hysterectomies and that is offensive to the Lord.

[elfenix 34153]

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