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On 2/13/2023 at 7:52 PM, Porterhouse said:

This has Lia Thomas written all over it. I’m not sure why the media is making any issue over this and why anyone would take issue with it. It will adversely affect no one except for the Thomases of the world. There is literally nothing to see here. 

Counterpoint.  Yes, the Lia Thomas situation is bizarre and somewhat unsettling.  And also exceptionally rare and will continue to be exceptionally rare.

But you never had a bunch of politicians getting their panties all in a twist about other competitive situations in sports, e.g. steroids in baseball, until it became not so exceptionally rare and something more of a big problem, and even then you didn't have them passing all sorts of laws trying to regulate MLB.

It just needs to be left to the sports "authorities," the UILs and NCAAs of the world, not to rabid right wing politicians who don't give two shits about sports unless it's some icky queer doing it.

 

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Colorado making a hard sell for us. Not sure the NIL package they’ll offer but the official visit was off the charts.        

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36 years ago I was 11. One fall afternoon walking home from school, I took a slight detour and found myself standing under a bridge smoking a cigarette I stole from my neighbors parents. It was a Bens

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Counterpoint.  Yes, the Lia Thomas situation is bizarre and somewhat unsettling.  And also exceptionally rare and will continue to be exceptionally rare.

But you never had a bunch of politicians getting their panties all in a twist about other competitive situations in sports, e.g. steroids in baseball, until it became not so exceptionally rare and something more of a big problem, and even then you didn't have them passing all sorts of laws trying to regulate MLB.

It just needs to be left to the sports "authorities," the UILs and NCAAs of the world, not to rabid right wing politicians who don't give two shits about sports unless it's some icky queer doing it.

 

I generally agree with everything you say and I’m not ‘worried’ about Lia Thomas being a repetitive deal. But, it shouldn’t ever occur again. So I can see why he did what he did, particularly with Emmert’s response or lack thereof. Basically I thought he was being a predictable politician. 

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7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Horrible, horrible people ….

 

Everyone has told a lie at some point, but the GOP is fundamentally a dishonest party that casually treats deception as standard operational procedure, punishes and expels those who tell the truth, tolerates multiple members of their party who aren't even who they say they are, publicly obfuscates with false equivalencies, speaks candidly about their own dishonesty in private, elevates the most adamant of liars within their ranks and thru their own actions deserves zero benefit of the doubt. The starting point when anyone in GOP speaks is they're lying to you.

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13 hours ago, troph said:

One step closer to destroying the second family I’ve built. Just, leave, us, alone. For the love of god and all that is holy, just leave us alone. 

Pos rep.  I hate to keep using your family as an example because there are so many others like it.  But I'd like to live in a world where people get the care and help they need, but this is where I'm at now with this issue.  Just leave these people the fuck alone.  You don't have to help them, you don't have to advocate them, you don't even have to tolerate them.  Just stop using very other press conference and every third legislative bill to vilify them and target them.  Just a five year moratorium.  Leave 'em alone, see how much easier your own life becomes...

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Hate engine needs fuel. What purpose in life would a Republican have without being ruthlessly cruel towards anyone that is not white, straight and cisgendered?  May they all choke on bile until they come to the side of simple tolerance, or just shuffle off this mortal coil in a net gain to society. 

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30 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Pos rep.  I hate to keep using your family as an example because there are so many others like it.  But I'd like to live in a world where people get the care and help they need, but this is where I'm at now with this issue.  Just leave these people the fuck alone.  You don't have to help them, you don't have to advocate them, you don't even have to tolerate them.  Just stop using very other press conference and every third legislative bill to vilify them and target them.  Just a five year moratorium.  Leave 'em alone, see how much easier your own life becomes...

I’m somewhat visible here for a reason. To humanize this conflict and to show that there are surprisingly normal families out there with transgender members. You can use me as your example. 

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6 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

I kinda understand why a guy would want to use women’s restrooms, us guys have terrible aim. 

This makes no sense to me. Do you have difficulty with urinals? Do women’s restrooms have some form of urinal that offers a larger target?

Edited to say you can sit down to pee in a men’s room, too.

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9 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

So the party of freedom is just going to roll with, you can’t insure this group of people ?

 

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Yeah....we can't even say "Party of Freedom" with humor or irony anymore.  It's just the party of fascism and hatred now, no hiding it, and no shame.

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50 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

So the party of freedom is just going to roll with, you can’t insure this group of people ?

 

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Yeah, that's a weird flex for the "keep government outta my health insurance" group.  No state funds used for permanent sex/gender procedures for kids under 18?  and just weeks later, we're already at "No insurance, private or public, for any transgender health care for anyone of any age."  Thats a pretty big leap even for Texas.  

This is going to read beyond hyperbolic but look at the leap above again.  Ruling out insurance coverage, even on your own dime, for trans health care?  Not because of pre-existing conditions or tobacco use or your job being a hang-glider instructor who doesn't allow helmets.  This is because you're a member of a "Group" deemed wrong.  You can see where this goes right?  There are certain other groups out there that have a propensity more than other groups to seek/receive certain other types of medical care that are almost entirely unique to their group.  I can see.

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17 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, that's a weird flex for the "keep government outta my health insurance" group.  No state funds used for permanent sex/gender procedures for kids under 18?  and just weeks later, we're already at "No insurance, private or public, for any transgender health care for anyone of any age."  Thats a pretty big leap even for Texas.  

This is going to read beyond hyperbolic but look at the leap above again.  Ruling out insurance coverage, even on your own dime, for trans health care?  Not because of pre-existing conditions or tobacco use or your job being a hang-glider instructor who doesn't allow helmets.  This is because you're a member of a "Group" deemed wrong.  You can see where this goes right?  There are certain other groups out there that have a propensity more than other groups to seek/receive certain other types of medical care that are almost entirely unique to their group.  I can see.

After no insurance comes no treatment period. Eradication is the goal.

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2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Why can’t y’all leave the gays in charge of dancing @safe sex?

pretty sure she and I are not allowed at LGB meetings.  Pretty sure the only people at LGB meetings are old school, man hating lesbians too.  I'm also pretty sure she and I would *love* for the gay men to keep their rule over the dance floor.  there's a reason why lesbian bars shuttered a long time ago.

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10 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yup. Y’all need to stop treating these people in good faith. They are hateful and their goal is to eliminate the queer population from society. 

they do realize though that it's us, breeders, regular people fucking...who keep making gays, lesbians, trans people, queers, bi-sexuals, no?  

Even if you were to go Dr. Mengele, the current population will just keep fucking and keep birthing tens of thousands of them every year.  It's always been that way.  Nature balances itself out no matter what we do.  Except in China.  Those guys can literally halt an entire gender, kinda weird actually.  

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On 2/19/2023 at 12:59 PM, Poe It Up said:
I kinda understand why a guy would want to use women’s restrooms, us guys have terrible aim. 

The right is starting to get better at comedy?

Anyone who says that has never used a women's restroom.

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12 hours ago, safe sex said:

Anyone who says that has never used a women's restroom.

Or apparently ever even like, just talked to a woman? It's not some super secret that women's public restrooms are often disgusting. That seems like one of those things a normal guy should pick up at some point if he has anything remotely resembling normal relationships with women at work or just socially. Poe must be a weird little creep who is so offputting to most women that they just won't talk to him. 

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Former Patient Directly Refutes St. Louis Whistleblower's Allegations:

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A student newspaper for Washington University quoted a former patient at the beseiged Washington University Transgender Center in St. Louis as saying six months of therapy, among other requirements, were necessary before starting hormone therapy.

A former patient at the St. Louis clinic where Jamie Reed once worked as a case manager has come forward to describe his experience. The account directly contradicts Reed’s, casting further doubt on a story which had already been shown to contain clear inaccuracies about the specifics of gender affirming treatment. 

Chris Harvey, a former patient of the center and current freshman at Washington University in St. Louis, told his school paper, Student Life, that his experiences with the Washington University Transgender Center at St. Louis Children’s Hospital directly contradicted the tale told by Reed, who once worked doing record keeping and intakes for the Transgender Center. Harvey explained a minimum of 6 months of weekly therapy was required before a therapist was allowed to recommend further treatment. Even then, that wasn’t all the Transgender Center required.

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This year-plus long process stands in stark contrast to the picture painted by Reed, which more and more people are suspecting of being extremely distorted, if not an outright fabrication by Reed.

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It’s important to note that Reed misgendered the patients she had once worked with throughout her account, and she focused much of her attention on trans boys, who she referred to as teenage girls. Therefore it is relevant that Chris Harvey is a trans man. Harvey, who was first evaluated by the Center at 14, is very much the sort of patient Reed was describing as a teenage “girl” who should never have been allowed to recieve treatment.

Even when Reed’s story first came out it seemed fairly implausible. The student journalists at Student Life are to be applauded for tracking down the account of a former patient, but more outlets ought to be digging for the evidence to refute—or support—Reed’s allegations, which appeared in an outlet, Bari Weiss’ Free Press, that does not engage in a thorough fact checking process to substantiate its stories.

What's important though, is that some braindead morons who've had their brains turned to mush by rightwing propaganda THOUGHT it could be true.

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Former Patient Directly Refutes St. Louis Whistleblower's Allegations:

What's important though, is that some braindead morons who've had their brains turned to mush by rightwing propaganda THOUGHT it could be true.

That can't be true, some guy said earlier that if a girl acts like a tomboy their pediatrician will force a transition them with hormones and surgery. 

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On 2/12/2023 at 12:12 PM, Poe It Up said:

My point wasn’t that boys can’t act like girls and vice versa, it’s that as a parent it can’t be that surprising when a child comes out as gay or trans. If they’re paying attention at least. 

Dude you really have no idea what you are talking about.  All district high school offensive lineman checking in here, who grew up racing bmx and dirtbikes,  who has also been getting his cock sucked by other guys since middle school, and sucking his fair share along the way.

As a little kid (6-8), I did have a lot of stuffed animals, but we kept them to act as cushions because I slept on the top bunk, and we'd put them all on the floor and jump off the top while we were trying to be Superfly Snuka or one of the Von Erich's.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of these topics because you are basing this on stereotypes you've been fed your whole life.  I get that you may not have much exposure to real live LGBT+ people, but you need to listen when people tell you that your stereotypes are woefully incorrect a large majority of the time.

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On 2/25/2023 at 11:16 AM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Dude you really have no idea what you are talking about.  All district high school offensive lineman checking in here, who grew up racing bmx and dirtbikes,  who has also been getting his cock sucked by other guys since middle school, and sucking his fair share along the way.

I still remember your end-of-season banquet speech.  I was moved to tears,

"To my fellow lineman, doing the dirty work down in the trenches.  You are my brothers always and forever.  To the dicks we've sucked along the way!  And did we take a few liberties with our nervous virgin DB's?  (winks)  We did.  But in the end, gay, straight, bi, and whatever the fuck it is that our Flanker is into...we came together as a team.  Something that will serve us well later in life.  San Dimas High School Football Rules!"  

Point is to Poe and others all around Texas...statistically speaking...we all played a lotta sports growing up, well past puberty/sexual awareness.  We all played, showered, sweated, and bled with young men who were gay, bi, trans, etc.  Maybe didn't come out as that, but that's probably more on us as a society (and their families/churches).  Those of you who served in the military-you put your hands in the life of a gay man at some point and asked him to do the same.  I have taught, been taught by, worshipped with, served in my community with, and preached the gospel in my wife's church by gay men.  I have cried in the arms of gay men, they have cried in mine.  Even had one give me all the drugs he had in order to get rid of them before he took them all to escape this life.  And in most of those experiences, I had no idea the guy was gay until long afterward or never at all.  Because that's not the important part.  The important part is that he was a human being in need of connection whether on the baseball diamond, the classroom, the worship pew, or crying over our beers. 

Actually a few times it was about being totally gay, what can I say---i'm a cultured neat-freak in a Fox body.  

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Ive had a real shit month - cancer scare, completely overloaded at work, two close friends passing away - so I haven’t been around and I’m catching up here today.

And this thread has made me simultaneously angry and hopeful.

Keep fighting the assholes @troph and @safe sex and keep backing them up everyone.

And poe and Ana and that moron DalTxWhatevertheFuckHisNameIs can go eat some glass.

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LOL, no, I grew up in small town west Texas.  You didn't see OL that big until you got to the big cities like Midland or Odessa.  I graduated high school at a whopping buck 80.

But, I mean, you've let yourself go all the hell since then, right?  Don't be holding yourself out as better than us.

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I guess that the British Medical Journal can also eat glass. A piece released last week that makes many of the same points that have been made here wrt specifically use of hormonal treatments in children.  At some point, we'll look back at a lot of the early 21st century public health communication, and the intersection between political and medical messaging in particular, and scratch our heads. 

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p382

Gender dysphoria in young people is rising—and so is professional disagreement

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More children and adolescents are identifying as transgender and are being offered medical treatment, especially in the US—but some providers and European authorities are urging caution because of a lack of strong evidence. Jennifer Block reports

Last October the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) gathered inside the Anaheim Convention Center in California for its annual conference. Outside, several dozen people rallied to hear speakers including Abigail Martinez, a mother whose child began hormone treatment at age 16 and died by suicide at age 19. Supporters chanted the teen’s given name, Yaeli; counter protesters chanted, “Protect trans youth!” For viewers on a livestream, the feed was interrupted as the two groups fought for the camera.

The AAP conference is one of many flashpoints in the contentious debate in the United States over if, when, and how children and adolescents with gender dysphoria should be medically or surgically treated. US medical professional groups are aligned in support of “gender affirming care” for gender dysphoria, which may include gonadotrophin releasing hormone analogues (GnRHa) to suppress puberty; oestrogen or testosterone to promote secondary sex characteristics; and surgical removal or augmentation of breasts, genitals, or other physical features. At the same time, however, several European countries have issued guidance to limit medical intervention in minors, prioritising psychological care.

The discourse is polarised in the US. Conservative politicians, pundits, and social media influencers accuse providers of pushing “gender ideology” and even “child abuse,” lobbying for laws banning medical transition for minors. Progressives argue that denying access to care is a transphobic violation of human rights. There’s little dispute within the medical community that children in distress need care, but concerns about the rapid widespread adoption of interventions and calls for rigorous scientific review are coming from across the ideological spectrum.1

The surge in treatment of minors

More adolescents with no history of gender dysphoria—predominantly birth registered females2—are presenting at gender clinics. A recent analysis of insurance claims by Komodo Health found that nearly 18 000 US minors began taking puberty blockers or hormones from 2017 to 2021, the number rising each year.34 Surveys aiming to measure prevalence have found that about 2% of high school aged teens identify as “transgender.”5 These young people are also more likely than their cisgender peers to have concurrent mental health and neurodiverse conditions including depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorders, and autism.6 In the US, although Medicaid coverage varies by state and by treatment, the Biden administration has warned states that not covering care is in violation of federal law prohibiting discrimination.7 Meanwhile, the number of private clinics that focus on providing hormones and surgeries has grown from just a few a decade ago to more than 100 today.4

As the number of young people receiving medical transition treatments rises, so have the voices of those who call themselves “detransitioners” or “retransitioners,” some of whom claim that early treatment caused preventable harm.8 Large scale, long term research is lacking,9 and researchers disagree about how to measure the phenomenon, but two recent studies suggest that as many as 20-30% of patients may discontinue hormone treatment within a few years.1011 The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) asserts that detransition is “rare.”12

Chloe Cole, now aged 18, had a double mastectomy at age 15 and spoke at the AAP rally. “Many of us were young teenagers when we decided, on the direction of medical experts, to pursue irreversible hormone treatments and surgeries,” she read from her tablet at the rally, which had by this time moved indoors to avoid confrontation. “This is not informed consent but a decision forced under extreme duress.”

Scott Hadland, chief of adolescent medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, dismissed the “handful of cruel protesters” outside the AAP meeting in a tweet that morning. He wrote, “Inside 10 000 pediatricians stand in solidarity for trans & gender diverse kids & their families to receive evidence-based, lifesaving, individualized care.”13

Same evidence, divergent recommendations

Three organisations have had a major role in shaping the US’s approach to gender dysphoria care: WPATH, the AAP, and the Endocrine Society (see box). On 15 September 2022 WPATH published the eighth edition of its Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender Diverse People, with new chapters on children and adolescents and no minimum age requirements for hormonal and surgical treatments.212 GnRHa treatment, says WPATH, can be initiated to arrest puberty at its earliest stage, known as Tanner stage 2.

The Endocrine Society also supports hormonal and surgical intervention in adolescents who meet criteria in clinical practice guidelines published in 2009 and updated in 2017.14 And the AAP’s 2018 policy statement, Ensuring Comprehensive Care and Support for Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents, says that “various interventions may be considered to better align” a young person’s “gender expression with their underlying identity.”15 Among the components of “gender affirmation” the AAP names social transition, puberty blockers, sex hormones, and surgeries. Other prominent professional organisations, such as the American Medical Association, have issued policy statements in opposition to legislation that would curtail access to medical treatment for minors.16171819

These documents are often cited to suggest that medical treatment is both uncontroversial and backed by rigorous science. “All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary,” stated a recent article on transgender healthcare for children published in Scientific American.20 “Transition related healthcare is not controversial in the medical field,” wrote Gillian Branstetter, a frequent spokesperson on transgender issues currently with the American Civil Liberties Union, in a 2019 guide for reporters.21 Two physicians and an attorney from Yale recently opined in the Los Angeles Times that “gender-affirming care is standard medical care, supported by major medical organizations . . . Years of study and scientific scrutiny have established safe, evidence-based guidelines for delivery of lifesaving, gender-affirming care.”22 Rachel Levine, the US assistant secretary for health, told National Public Radio last year regarding such treatment, “There is no argument among medical professionals.”23

Internationally, however, governing bodies have come to different conclusions regarding the safety and efficacy of medically treating gender dysphoria. Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare, which sets guidelines for care, determined last year that the risks of puberty blockers and treatment with hormones “currently outweigh the possible benefits” for minors.24 Finland’s Council for Choices in Health Care, a monitoring agency for the country’s public health services, issued similar guidelines, calling for psychosocial support as the first line treatment.25 (Both countries restrict surgery to adults.)

Medical societies in France, Australia, and New Zealand have also leant away from early medicalisation.2627 And NHS England, which is in the midst of an independent review of gender identity services, recently said that there was “scarce and inconclusive evidence to support clinical decision making”28 for minors with gender dysphoria29 and that for most who present before puberty it will be a “transient phase,” requiring clinicians to focus on psychological support and to be “mindful” even of the risks of social transition.30

“Don’t call them evidence based”

“The brief history of guidelines is that, going back more than 30 years ago, experts would write articles and so on about what people should do. But formal guidelines as we think of them now were seldom or non-existent,” says Gordon Guyatt, distinguished professor in the Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact at McMaster University, Ontario.

That led to the movement towards developing criteria for what makes a “trustworthy guideline,” of which Guyatt was a part.31 One pillar of this, he told The BMJ, is that they “are based on systematic review of the relevant evidence,” for which there are also now standards, as opposed to a traditional narrative literature review in which “a bunch of experts write whatever they felt like using no particular standards and no particular structure.”

Mark Helfand, professor of medical informatics and clinical epidemiology at Oregon Health and Science University, says, “An evidence based recommendation requires two steps.” First, “an unbiased, thorough, critical systematic review of all the relevant evidence.” Second, “some commitment to link the strength of the recommendations to the quality of the evidence.”

The Endocrine Society commissioned two systematic reviews for its clinical practice guideline, Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: one on the effects of sex steroids on lipids and cardiovascular outcomes, the other on their effects on bone health.3233 To indicate the quality of evidence underpinning its various guidelines, the Endocrine Society employed the GRADE system (grading of recommendations assessment, development, and evaluation) and judged the quality of evidence for all recommendations on adolescents as “low” or “very low.”

Guyatt, who co-developed GRADE, found “serious problems” with the Endocrine Society guidelines, noting that the systematic reviews didn’t look at the effect of the interventions on gender dysphoria itself, arguably “the most important outcome.” He also noted that the Endocrine Society had at times paired strong recommendations—phrased as “we recommend”—with weak evidence. In the adolescent section, the weaker phrasing “we suggest” is used for pubertal hormone suppression when children “first exhibit physical changes of puberty”; however, the stronger phrasing is used to “recommend” GnRHa treatment.

“GRADE discourages strong recommendations with low or very low quality evidence except under very specific circumstances,” Guyatt told The BMJ. Those exceptions are “very few and far between,” and when used in guidance, their rationale should be made explicit, Guyatt said. In an emailed response, the Endocrine Society referenced the GRADE system’s five exceptions, but did not specify which it was applying.

Helfand examined the recently updated WPATH Standards of Care and noted that it “incorporated elements of an evidence based guideline.” For one, WPATH commissioned a team at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland to conduct systematic reviews.3435 However, WPATH’s recommendations lack a grading system to indicate the quality of the evidence—one of several deficiencies. Both Guyatt and Helfand noted that a trustworthy guideline would be transparent about all commissioned systematic reviews: how many were done and what the results were. But Helfand remarked that neither was made clear in the WPATH guidelines and also noted several instances in which the strength of evidence presented to justify a recommendation was “at odds with what their own systematic reviewers found.”

For example, one of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.”35 The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.

Despite this, WPATH recommends that young people have access to treatments after comprehensive assessment, stating that the “emerging evidence base indicates a general improvement in the lives of transgender adolescents.”12 And more globally, WPATH asserts, “There is strong evidence demonstrating the benefits in quality of life and well-being of gender-affirming treatments, including endocrine and surgical procedures,” procedures that “are based on decades of clinical experience and research; therefore, they are not considered experimental, cosmetic, or for the mere convenience of a patient. They are safe and effective at reducing gender incongruence and gender dysphoria.”12

Those two statements are each followed by more than 20 references, among them the commissioned systematic review. This stood out to Helfand as obscuring which conclusions were based on evidence versus opinion. He says, “It’s a very strange thing to feel that they had to cite some of the studies that would have been in the systematic review or purposefully weren’t included in the review, because that’s what the review is for.”

For minors, WPATH contends that the evidence is so limited that “a systematic review regarding outcomes of treatment in adolescents is not possible.” But Guyatt counters that “systematic reviews are always possible,” even if few or no studies meet the eligibility criteria. If an entity has made a recommendation without one, he says, “they’d be violating standards of trustworthy guidelines.” Jason Rafferty, assistant professor of paediatrics and psychiatry at Brown University, Rhode Island, and lead author of the AAP statement, remarks that the AAP’s process “doesn’t quite fit the definition of systematic review, but it is very comprehensive.”

Sweden conducted systematic reviews in 2015 and 2022 and found the evidence on hormonal treatment in adolescents “insufficient and inconclusive.”24 Its new guidelines note the importance of factoring the possibility that young people will detransition, in which case “gender confirming treatment thus may lead to a deteriorating of health and quality of life (i.e., harm).”

Cochrane, an international organisation that has built its reputation on delivering independent evidence reviews, has yet to publish a systematic review of gender treatments in minors. But The BMJ has learnt that in 2020 Cochrane accepted a proposal to review puberty blockers and that it worked with a team of researchers through 2021 in developing a protocol, but it ultimately rejected it after peer review. A spokesperson for Cochrane told The BMJ that its editors have to consider whether a review “would add value to the existing evidence base,” highlighting the work of the UK’s National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, which looked at puberty blockers and hormones for adolescents in 2021. “That review found the evidence to be inconclusive, and there have been no significant primary studies published since.”

In 2022 the state of Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration commissioned an overview of systematic reviews looking at outcomes “important to patients” with gender dysphoria, including mental health, quality of life, and complications. Two health research methodologists at McMaster University carried out the work, analysing 61 systematic reviews and concluding that “there is great uncertainty about the effects of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries in young people.” The body of evidence, they said, was “not sufficient” to support treatment decisions.

Calling a treatment recommendation “evidence based” should mean that a treatment or guideline has not just been systematically studied, says Helfand, but that there was also a finding of high quality evidence supporting its use. Weak evidence “doesn’t just mean something esoteric about study design, it means there’s uncertainty about whether the long term benefits outweigh the harms,” Helfand adds.

“Evidence itself never tells you what to do,” says Guyatt. That’s why guidelines must make explicit the values and preferences that underlie the recommendation.

The Endocrine Society acknowledges in its recommendations on early puberty suppression that it is placing “a high value on avoiding an unsatisfactory physical outcome when secondary sex characteristics have become manifest and irreversible, a higher value on psychological well-being, and a lower value on avoiding potential harm.”14

WPATH acknowledges that while its latest guidelines are “based upon a more rigorous and methodological evidence-based approach than previous versions,” the evidence “is not only based on the published literature (direct as well as background evidence) but also on consensus-based expert opinion.” In the absence of high quality evidence and the presence of a patient population in need—who are willing to take on more personal risk—consensus based guidelines are not unwarranted, says Helfand. “But don’t call them evidence based.”

An evidence base under construction

In 2015 the US National Institutes of Health awarded a $5.7m (£4.7m; €5.3m) grant to study “the impact of early medical treatment in transgender youth.”36 The abstract submitted by applicants said that the study was “the first in the US to evaluate longitudinal outcomes of medical treatment for transgender youth and will provide essential evidence-based data on the physiological and psychosocial effects and safety” of current treatments. Researchers are following two groups, one of participants who began receiving GnRHa in early puberty and another group who began cross sex hormone treatment in adolescence. The study doesn’t include a concurrent no-treatment control group.

Robert Garofalo, chief of adolescent medicine at the Lurie Children’s Hospital in Chicago and one of four principal investigators, told a podcast interviewer in May 2022 that the evidence base remained “a challenge . . . it is a discipline where the evidence base is now being assembled” and that “it’s truly lagging behind [clinical practice], I think, in some ways.” That care, he explained, was “being done safely. But only now, I think, are we really beginning to do the type of research where we’re looking at short, medium, and long term outcomes of the care that we are providing in a way that I think hopefully will be either reassuring to institutions and families and patients or also will shed a light on things that we can be doing better.”37

While Garofalo was doing the research he served as “contributor” on the AAP’s widely cited 2018 policy statement, which recommends that children and adolescents “have access to comprehensive, gender-affirming, and developmentally appropriate health care,” including puberty blockers, sex hormones, and, on a case-by-case basis, surgeries.15

Garofalo said in the May interview, “There is universal support for gender affirming care from every mainstream US based medical society that I can think of: the AMA, the APA, the AAP. I mean, these organisations never agree with one another.” Garofalo declined an interview and did not respond to The BMJ’s requests for comment.

The rush to affirm

Sarah Palmer, a paediatrician in private practice in Indiana, is one of five coauthors of a 2022 resolution submitted to the AAP’s leadership conference asking that it revisit the policy after “a rigorous systematic review of available evidence regarding the safety, efficacy, and risks of childhood social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery.” In practice, Palmer told The BMJ, clinicians define “gender affirming” care so broadly that “it’s been taken by many people to mean go ahead and do anything that affirms. One of the main things I’ve seen it used for is masculinising chest surgery, also known as mastectomy in teenage patients.” The AAP has told The BMJ that all policy statements are reviewed after five years and so a “revision is under way,” based on its experts’ own “robust evidence review.”

Palmer says, “I’ve seen a quick evolution, from kids with a very rare case of gender dysphoria who were treated with a long course of counselling and exploration before hormones were started,” to treatment progressing “very quickly—even at the first visit to gender clinic—and there’s no psychologist involved anymore.”

Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist who worked with the endocrinologist Norman Spack in Boston and coauthored the WPATH guidelines for adolescents, has observed a similar trend. “More providers do not value the mental health component,” she says, so in some clinics families come in and their child is “pretty much fast tracked to medical intervention.” In a study of teens at Seattle Children’s Hospital’s gender clinic, two thirds were taking hormones within 12 months of the initial visit.38

The British paediatrician Hilary Cass, in her interim report of a UK review into services for young people with gender identity issues, noted that some NHS staff reported feeling “under pressure to adopt an unquestioning affirmative approach and that this is at odds with the standard process of clinical assessment and diagnosis that they have been trained to undertake in all other clinical encounters.”

Eli Coleman, lead author of WPATH’s Standards of Care and former director of the Institute for Sexual and Gender Health at the University of Minnesota, told The BMJ that the new guidelines emphasised “careful assessment prior to any of these interventions” by clinicians who have appropriate training and competence to assure that minors have “the emotional and cognitive maturity to understand the risks and benefits.” He adds, “What we know and what we don’t know has to be explained to youth and their parents or caregivers in a balanced way which really details that this is the evidence that we have, that we obviously would like to have more evidence, and that this is a risk-benefit scenario that you have to consider.”

Joshua Safer, director of the Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York and coauthor of the Endocrine Society guidelines, told The BMJ that assessment is standard practice at the programme he leads. “We start with a mental health evaluation for anybody under the age of 18,” he says. “There’s a lot of talking going on—that’s a substantial element of things.” Safer has heard stories of adolescents leaving a first or second appointment with a prescription in hand but says that these are overblown. “We really do screen these kids pretty well, and the overwhelming majority of kids who get into these programmes do go on to other interventions,” he says.

Without an objective diagnostic test, however, others remain concerned. The demand for services has led to a “perfunctory informed consent process,” wrote two clinicians and a researcher in a recent issue of the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy,39 in spite of two key uncertainties: the long term impacts of treatment and whether a young person will persist in their gender identity. And the widespread impression of medical consensus doesn’t help. “Unfortunately, gender specialists are frequently unfamiliar with, or discount the significance of, the research in support of these two concepts,” they wrote. “As a result, the informed consent process rarely adequately discloses this information to patients and their families.”

For Guyatt, claims of certainty represent both the success and failure of the evidence based medicine movement. “Everybody now has to claim to be evidence based” in order to be taken seriously, he says—that’s the success. But people “don’t particularly adhere to the standard of what is evidence based medicine—that’s the failure.” When there’s been a rigorous systematic review of the evidence and the bottom line is that “we don’t know,’” he says, then “anybody who then claims they do know is not being evidence based.”

Footnotes

This feature has been funded by the BMJ Investigations Unit. For details see bmj.com/investigations.

Competing interests: I have read and understood BMJ policy on declaration of interests and have no relevant interests to declare.

Provenance: commissioned; externally peer reviewed.

 

Edited by Anastasis
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