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[NameAlreadyInUse 5097]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

But, I mean, you've let yourself go all the hell since then, right?  Don't be holding yourself out as better than us.

Well not right this second but if it makes you feel better, in my adult life I have fluctuated between 180 and 270. I’m sitting around 215 right now and was getting back on the exercise and healthyish eating kick when a death in the family fucked that all up. So I guess I’ll be here for a bit. Hopefully that means I’m still eligible to grab a drink with you old people. 

[mchookem 15731]

5 hours ago, TexPx said:

 

i mean it's pretty obvious what happened here...Lowe got aroused by the minor teenage transgendered boy speaker and it freaked him out and so of course he lashed out at the child and his brain is so gotdamn broken that he couldn't stop himself from escalating. sicko. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5097]

Has the locker room really changed that much since the 80’s?  I don’t remember a single soul who was trying to hang out naked in the locker room when I was in school. I would’ve known if it was happening then because I was definitely looking back then.

[troph 24417]

There’s actually a whole lot of nothing in that BMJ article.  But noteworthy - first longitudinal study of trans youth ever in the US started in 2015. That’s the definition of politics. Infuriates me to no end. Shoulda happened decades before. Second, European societies have been some of the staunchest gatekeepers in the world on GAC, they haven’t changed.  Third, anyone who advocates for or gives a child medicine before at least 12 months of psychotherapy is doing it wrong. Fourth, even as an adult there is a bias against cross sex hormones, just last month I had to have a second blood test because “estrogen is dangerous” but a complete dismissal of the danger of doing without it (I was out of meds for 2 weeks, fuck it was like an itchy sweater). Fifth, even as an adult it took two letters - one from a mental health professional and one from my GP to start the lowest and quite frankly easily reversible level of estrogen. It took me 18 months to get those letters. Sixth, that article makes the claim there is little evidence hormone treatment prevents suicide, that’s laughable. Seventh, the Brits are the leaders of the gatekeepers in Europe as well, British trans women complain and complain about how hard it is to get treatment. So while we all want more evidence, that article reads no different than the last 20 years of articles.  The only difference is that many in the medial community now really want to help. That’s good. And let’s have solid clinical practice, there should not be a rush and frankly in most cases I don’t think there is. Yeah, I think this fluff piece is bullshit, because it reads like the articles I’ve read coming out of Europe for the last 20 years. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by troph

[Willfully Horn 7910]

17 hours ago, troph said:

There’s actually a whole lot of nothing in that BMJ article.  But noteworthy - first longitudinal study of trans youth ever in the US started in 2015. That’s the definition of politics. Infuriates me to no end. Shoulda happened decades before. Second, European societies have been some of the staunchest gatekeepers in the world on GAC, they haven’t changed.  Third, anyone who advocates for or gives a child medicine before at least 12 months of psychotherapy is doing it wrong. Fourth, even as an adult there is a bias against cross sex hormones, just last month I had to have a second blood test because “estrogen is dangerous” but a complete dismissal of the danger of doing without it (I was out of meds for 2 weeks, fuck it was like an itchy sweater). Fifth, even as an adult it took two letters - one from a mental health professional and one from my GP to start the lowest and quite frankly easily reversible level of estrogen. It took me 18 months to get those letters. Sixth, that article makes the claim there is little evidence hormone treatment prevents suicide, that’s laughable. Seventh, the Brits are the leaders of the gatekeepers in Europe as well, British trans women complain and complain about how hard it is to get treatment. So while we all want more evidence, that article reads no different than the last 20 years of articles.  The only difference is that many in the medial community now really want to help. That’s good. And let’s have solid clinical practice, there should not be a rush and frankly in most cases I don’t think there is. Yeah, I think this fluff piece is bullshit, because it reads like the articles I’ve read coming out of Europe for the last 20 years. 

Had a similar reaction to the article. Starting with the stated percentage of detransition, which was not qualified by the percentage of those who detransition due to external factors, which is north of 80%. These external factors, such as bigotry and even disapproval, are listed in every study I have read, and whether and how this societal downpressing is factored into the conclusions is important to a clear understanding of the success of medical intervention.

@Anastasis says he could design a study which would yield a conclusion, pro or con, free from the flaws of previous studies, and also free of a control group, which is a much more humane position than the JBM took. He could make an important contribution to trans health outcomes, and I hope he takes the time to do so. It would be interesting to learn how he would factor societal pushback into his conclusions.

I could help by being part of the effort to find folks to conduct the study

Edited to add the link supporting my assertion of fact:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/

Edited February 27, 2023 by Willfully Horn

[Willfully Horn 7910]

I approve of these parents.

When can I expect to see this guy at the Catfish Parlour?

Edited February 27, 2023 by Willfully Horn

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Well, of course.  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bill-lee-tennessee-governor-drag-b2290642.html

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"Image appearing to show Tennessee governor in drag surfaces as state set to pass anti-drag bill"

 

 

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5097]

If it's unbiblical, then make damn sure you don't put that shit on in your church.  That doesn't have anything at all to do with it going on outside your church.  Fuck off, man.

[mdmost 42611]

Feels like drag shows are for today's Right the 2020 version of 1980s Satan worshippers/metal shows/music was to the Right back then. With the same, won't someone think of the children energy.

Edited February 28, 2023 by mdmost

[safe sex 11621]

Did armed fascists show up to intimidate Dungeons and Dragons players back in the day?

[troph 24417]

10 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Did armed fascists show up to intimidate Dungeons and Dragons players back in the day?

No but my parents threatened to beat my ass within an inch of my life if I played D&D does that count?

[WhatTheBuck 28685]

The chaotic evil housewife with a +4 Rolling Pin of Death!

[Anastasis 23274]

19 hours ago, troph said:

There’s actually a whole lot of nothing in that BMJ article.

I thought that the discussion of systematic evidence reviews in this context was worthy of consideration. 

[troph 24417]

2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Had a similar reaction to the article. Starting with the stated percentage of detransition, which was not qualified by the percentage of those who detransition due to external factors, which is north of 80%. These external factors, such as bigotry and even disapproval, are listed in every study I have read, and whether and how this societal downpressing is factored into the conclusions is important to a clear understanding of the success of medical intervention.

@Anastasis says he could design a study which would yield a conclusion, pro or con, free from the flaws of previous studies, and also free of a control group, which is a much more humane position than the JBM took. He could make an important contribution to trans health outcomes, and I hope he takes the time to do so. It would be interesting to learn how he would factor societal pushback into his conclusions.

I could help by being part of the effort to find folks to conduct the study

Edited to add the link supporting my assertion of fact:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/

The failure to see the rich and long standing bias against gender dysphoria, aka gender identity disorder aka transsexualism  and how unfuckingbelievably hard it has been to get treatment over the years is the worst part. The bias against treating thousands of patients properly because of fear that one cisgender patient will be confused is appalling. Look mother fuckers, the default when talking about care isn’t we are confused, the overwhelming number of patients that show up ARE trans, TREAT US!! And yes let’s work to avoid the mix ups but god dammit your precious gender construct is the most WHACK thing I’ve ever been a part of. There’s an entire world that lives breathes and knows transgender, fluidity and non-binary and it’s normal, it’s good, it’s fucking beautiful and instead of blocking us because you know better or because some may chose treatment when it’s a mistake is not our problem.  Hell, in ancient societies were were damned shaman and wise men and women. People listened when we spoke. Now we are told, not today, maybe next year you can have your precious blue pill (yes it’s a blue pill too).

and as for detransition  - I have to imagine I’m considered a success story here and I’ve considered it BECAUSE of external pressure. But you know what? Every morning and every night I take my meds and it’s the most certain thing I’ve ever done. It’s when I have the most clarity about who I am. But y’all wring your hands and tell me oh no, the confused cisgender kids!! 

[troph 24417]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I thought that the discussion of systematic evidence reviews in this context was worthy of consideration. 

It wasn’t that at all. It was biased bullshit. You’re way out of your league here. I’ve been reading the so called expert articles for 20 years. I can smell stink miles away.  There’s a long and consistent history of denialism in Britain and the rest of Europe. This fits within the historical norm. Yet clinicians keep marching on and treating patients and more and more find inner peace and they keep “oh no-ing” all the way home. Fuck that shit. It’s gross. There’s plenty of science to support current treatment.  

Edited February 28, 2023 by troph

[Anastasis 23274]

19 minutes ago, troph said:

You’re way out of your league here.

When it comes to assessment of outcomes and safety evidence wrt medication treatments, I respectfully disagree. 

19 minutes ago, troph said:

There’s a long and consistent history of denialism in Britain and the rest of Europe.

The treatment protocol is called the Dutch protocol, right? Surprised that the Euros get thrown under here. I don't think that there is much room for disagreement with the fact that Sweden is among the most progressive European states when it comes to Trans rights. I think that you would agree with that, right? I am not sure that you can dismiss their position wrt the evidence grade out of hand. But maybe I am biased. I have worked with epidemiologists and researchers from Karolinksa and find them to be extremely thorough, level-headed, evidence-based, and just generally Nordic. Which are all positive attributes in this context, imo. 

 

19 minutes ago, troph said:

There’s plenty of science to support current treatment.

This is debatable, esp wrt treatment of very young adolescents, and one of the points of that article.  

Edited February 28, 2023 by Anastasis

[cactusflinthead 27586]

 

[mdmost 42611]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Did armed fascists show up to intimidate Dungeons and Dragons players back in the day?

They would if they had more than just the 700 Club and Tipper Gore pushing them to act. If social media was around then, you'd have satan worshippers burned at the stake. I think a massive part of the problem is these hateful freaks can find each other and magnify each other much more easily. So they share a story of the dangers of the drag show combined with Q shit and it's gotten much worse much faster. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by mdmost

[Willfully Horn 7910]

On 2/26/2023 at 4:00 PM, Anastasis said:

Without an objective diagnostic test, however, others remain concerned. The demand for services has led to a “perfunctory informed consent process,” wrote two clinicians and a researcher in a recent issue of the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy,39 in spite of two key uncertainties: the long term impacts of treatment and whether a young person will persist in their gender identity. And the widespread impression of medical consensus doesn’t help. “Unfortunately, gender specialists are frequently unfamiliar with, or discount the significance of, the research in support of these two concepts,” they wrote. “As a result, the informed consent process rarely adequately discloses this information to patients and their families.”

You are up to criticize peer review studies, but stand by a position paper containing the above paragraph? Which implies threshold psychological examination has meaningfully been abandoned, based on the anecdotal evidence of two human beings? And ignores the strain that living a transgendered life entails, how it factors into the two mentioned concepts, and then gaslights others as unaware?

Solid fail.

Since these studies look at meaningful mental improvement as a desired outcome, what have you to offer by way of distinguishing between internal and external causes leading to a failure to achieve the desired outcome?

[Anastasis 23274]

4 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

You are up to criticize peer review studies, but stand by a position paper containing the above paragraph? Which implies threshold psychological examination has meaningfully been abandoned, based on the anecdotal evidence of two human beings? And ignores the strain that living a transgendered life entails, how it factors into the two mentioned concepts, and then gaslights others as unaware?

Solid fail.

Since these studies look at meaningful mental improvement as a desired outcome, what have you to offer by way of distinguishing between internal and external causes leading to a failure to achieve the desired outcome?

I think that there are legitimate questions to be discussed regarding the content of the informed consent (for parents) and assent (for children) in this context.  Maybe the point goes over your head, though. 

[Willfully Horn 7910]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I think that there are legitimate questions to be discussed regarding the content of the informed consent (for parents) and assent (for children) in this context.  Maybe the point goes over your head, though. 

No, I got you. Curious about the evidence this isn’t happening, though.

[Captainant 27195]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I think that there are legitimate questions to be discussed regarding the content of the informed consent (for parents) and assent (for children) in this context.  Maybe the point goes over your head, though. 

Yeah you're doing your cutesy trick where you act like you're being reasonable while arguing in support of the side that is trying to make folks like Troph be illegal to exist, or at the very least, too expensive to exist. 

But then again, pricing people out of care that they need IS how you put a roof over your head, so at least you're consistent. 

[Anastasis 23274]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Yeah you're doing your cutesy trick where you act like you're being reasonable while arguing in support of the side that is trying to make folks like Troph be illegal to exist, or at the very least, too expensive to exist. 

But then again, pricing people out of care that they need IS how you put a roof over your head, so at least you're consistent. 

You are a clown.

[troph 24417]

So you wanna boob job, cool. $20k done.

so you want to enter a drug trial for cancer? Might get the placebo and die, ok. Cool, done. 

wait, you’re trans? Yeah nah bro. That’ll be 2 years of therapy and proof you’re trans enough. Don’t forget your copay on the way out.

the unsatisfied want diagnostic tests like it’s measurable from a blood test. I can’t think of a single mental health diagnosis that isn’t subjective with DSM-V criteria and diagnostic tools as sophisticated as a self report survey. But self reporting on gender dysphoria, get the fuck out of here with that shit. We need more robust science. The hypocrisy is never ending.

['stache 21724]

The title of that article itself is a huge red flag. Gender dysphoria isn’t “rising,” more people are willing to seek treatment because society is (marginally) less hostile towards it than previous decades. Of course, the hostilities are returning with a vengeance and amplified by social media and shit people winning elections. It’s truly despicable that even on this board people are playing along with shit articles like that as supporting their hate.

[safe sex 11621]

If Ana is so concerned about the consent process, maybe he should try to get on hormones himself and see how fucking hard it can be.

[Brian Fantana 6649]

9 hours ago, troph said:

So you wanna boob job, cool. $20k done.

It's hilarious how many people don't understand that this, or something like TRT, is also gender affirming care.

[wildcat09 29083]

I saw this the other day regarding a recent discussion over a masking study, but it seems appropriate here:

 

 

[Captainant 27195]

Vice put out some good reporting on the radicalization of the right around anti-gay hate, including libzoftiktok and other hate mongers

Not really surprising who was most excited by and enthusiastic about the content shared by libzoftiktok.

[Brian Fantana 6649]

I could dome that woman execution style and walk away without feeling a thing if we're being honest. Net positive for the world.

[mchookem 15731]

i mean of course she's a former Brooklyn real estate agent...

[safe sex 11621]

She is evil.

[Brian Fantana 6649]

4 hours ago, safe sex said:

She is evil.

It's always the same path people like her take, too. She's most likely queer herself, except instead of finding some way of accepting herself like getting psychotherapy (or at least finding support groups) in order to become a whole ass person, instead she's just going to try and suppress those feelings while lashing out at and purposefully endangering everyone she now blames for "making her the way she is."

Too stupid to live.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

I could dome that woman execution style and walk away without feeling a thing if we're being honest. Net positive for the world.

I’d do it with a hammer and not think twice about it. Fuck that cunt and fuck the bigots that agree with her. Even the ones on this site. Bunch of cowards.

[Anastasis 23274]

Some of y’all are lunatics. 

[elfenix 34153]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's always the same path people like her take, too. She's most likely queer herself, except instead of finding some way of accepting herself like getting psychotherapy (or at least finding support groups) in order to become a whole ass person, instead she's just going to try and suppress those feelings while lashing out at and purposefully endangering everyone she now blames for "making her the way she is."

Too stupid to live.

no no you totally just use the betterhelp app when you wake up in the middle of the night and want to talk about, you know, queer stuff

[tx 3 putt 75844]

On 2/24/2023 at 1:00 AM, elfenix said:

 

 

The Houston Shaggy watch party at The Usual?

 

 

easily are most successful meet ups !

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Some of y’all are lunatics. 

Can’t touch this.

[Brian Fantana 6649]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Some of y’all are lunatics. 

Lunacy would be a very charitable description of what Chaya Raichik does.

Pretty sad if you're going to try and defend her at this point, but what can I expect at this point but the most saltine ass lib take.

[troph 24417]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Some of y’all are lunatics. 

Every accusation is a confession: 

 

 

Republican legislators want to commit legislative genocide of trans people and those who stand in support are lunatics. okaaaaaaay.

* credit a friend of mine for the text in the pic.

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by troph

[aggie08 21150]

In Ana's ever-so-slight defense, I believe the lunatics that he's referring to are the ones discussing casually executing someone or bashing her head in with a hammer.

Now, I wouldn't personally kill Raichik--nor am I hoping that someone else does--BUT, if she were to get hit by a bus tomorrow, I'd probably start chortling uncontrollably. 

[Brian Fantana 6649]

9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

In Ana's ever-so-slight defense, I believe the lunatics that he's referring to are the ones discussing casually executing someone or bashing her head in with a hammer.

Now, I wouldn't personally kill Raichik--nor am I hoping that someone else does--BUT, if she were to get hit by a bus tomorrow, I'd probably start chortling uncontrollably. 

I'm personally done pretending to give a shit about someone's life if they have an audience that they openly encourage to target marginalized people. Especially when said person purposefully ratchets up their rhetoric after incidents like the Club Q shooting. If it's not obvious to you (meaning people like Ana) at this point what her goals are, and what the goals of people like Tucker Carlson are when they go out of their way to give her a megaphone, then you need to dunk your head in some ice water or something. Anything that will wake you up from your lib-brained fog of war.

That said, it's not like I would ever really do something like that. Hell, I don't want the state to be able to execute people, much less endorse vigilantism. Sometimes a little hyperbole can be cathartic.

[Anastasis 23274]

7 hours ago, troph said:

Every accusation is a confession: 

I don’t think that it is a smart political strategy to keeping conflating my position wrt the lack of evidence supporting use of hormonal drug therapy in adolescents with stupid bathroom bills or other wrong headed legislation. But I understand the rhetorical value in this forum. 
 

 

[troph 24417]

22 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don’t think that it is a smart political strategy to keeping conflating my position wrt the lack of evidence supporting use of hormonal drug therapy in adolescents with stupid bathroom bills or other wrong headed legislation. But I understand the rhetorical value in this forum. 
 

 

How comfortable is your morning coffee routine this morning?
 

let me tell you about mine.
 

I’m sitting here in town waiting for an early morning meeting.  while sipping on my coffee you want to know what I’m thinking about?  
 

Can I renew my passport a year early while Biden is still in office? Is Ken Paxton going to ask for DL records that go back more than 2 years. What am I going to do if he does? will the Texas republicans be successful in an effective ban on GAC?  the bill has been filed. Vacation in Colorado this summer, what towns will we visit to look for an escape plan? Do we need to try and buy or rent this year to get a head of it? How can I get my meds cross border if I have to because GAC is effectively banned in Texas?  Should I detransition? God no. Do I run away or stay and fight? Do I speak up or try and go underground as much as possible? Is that even doable? Not really, at least 1000 people actually know me and that I’m trans because 8 years ago I told them, because I had to. 
 

but you keep dismissing it as bathroom bills - even while some of the bathroom bills would make me a criminal - scratch that - A SEX OFFENDER - just for peeing in a bathroom stall. 
 

this whole thing is fucking backward. We are not here to protect the strong, we are here to protect the marginalized.  Blocking trans care including care of trans kids to protect the rare cisgender kid or adult who feels later they made a mistake is the wrong framework. 
 

access to care and blocking heinous laws that are on par with Nazi Germany is what we should be doing. 
 

this isn’t rhetoric. Far from it.

Edited March 1, 2023 by troph

[HenryJames 65786]

How can anyone doubt the motives of these two normal dudes?

[Captainant 27195]

4 minutes ago, troph said:

Can I renew my passport a year early while Biden is still in office? Is Ken Paxton going to ask for DL records that go back more than 2 years. What am I going to do if he does? will the Texas republicans be successful in an effective ban on GAC?  the bill has been filed. Vacation in Colorado this summer, what towns will we visit to look for an escape plan? Do we need to try and buy or rent this year to get a head of it. How can I get my meds cross border if I have to because GAC is effective banned in Texas?  Should I detransition? God no. Do I run away or stay and fight? Do I speak up or try and go underground as much as possible? Is that even doable? Not really, at least 1000 people actually know me and that I’m trans because 8 years ago I told them, because I had to. 

Keep posting like that and you're gonna make Poe and Annie's whole week! They love hearing about legislative successes to enforce their hate and hierarchy 

[troph 24417]

I bet that bill says banned while we wait for more research. Nothing to see here. 
 

 

[troph 24417]

Just now, Captainant said:

Keep posting like that and you're gonna make Poe and Annie's whole week! They love hearing about legislative successes to enforce their hate and hierarchy 

Don’t give a shit. How many people have you told the last two weeks IRL this can’t stand? 
 

have you called or written your legislators to say this has gone too far? 
 

i’m posting for everyone BUT them.

this is not a drill. I repeat, this is the real thing. Pleases speak up IRL. Please. 

[Anastasis 23274]

18 minutes ago, troph said:

access to care and blocking heinous laws that are on par with Nazi Germany is what we should be doing. 

I think that you have a stronger and more compelling position in the US political dialogue when your arguments are built around the real world impacts of legislation, as you just articulated, instead of just blanket defending controversial hormonal drug therapy in young adolescents and rolling that into the discussion. But I mean I guess go for the “if you think we shouldn’t give the kids sex hormones during puberty without understanding the medical and psychological outcomes, you are a nazi” angle if you think that will work better. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Anastasis

[troph 24417]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I think that you have a stronger and more compelling position in the US political dialogue when your arguments are built around the real world impacts of legislation, as you just articulated, instead of just blanket defending controversial hormonal drug therapy in young adolescents and rolling that into the discussion. But I mean I guess go for the “if you think we shouldn’t give the kids sex hormones during puberty without understanding the medical and psychological outcomes, you are a nazi” angle if you think that will work better. 

God you are terrible. I’ve never blanket supported GAC, I oppose blanket prohibitions. I actually support rationale access to GAC based on what families, their doctors and their mental health providers recommend. Jesus Christ. 
 

and I lay out the legislative attack and your very response indicates you ain’t doing shit to help your fellow humans. You imply  I’m on my own.  Your veneer is thin and everyone but you sees through it.