QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[52-80 19277]

8 hours ago, Knighthawk said:

Worthy’s talent lies close to the line of scrimmage.  He’s a quick m’fer and hard to deal with in space.   He has no ability to track a deep ball and high point a ball.     It’s like a basketball player that is tall but can’t rebound.  The tools are there but they can’t anticipate and use their lower body to position to get the ball.   I guess he might be best used in the slot but he may lack size and strength.    Just not sure what to do with him at this point.   

8th best receiver coming out of high school, who was 20 yards from a 1000yd season last year with 12 TDs, and remains the leading team receiver this year with 9tds...

....should probably just throw him in the trash, because hes making his 55% throwing quarterback look bad.

[52-80 19277]

7 hours ago, KeysPhoneWallet said:

There have been lots of plays where the wr should have done better, many key plays that have killed drives have been on them. X isn’t a good we#1. We need someone that will go get the ball not someone light in the pants.
 

if in the LAST 4 GAMES 5* receiver jordan whittington caught 11 passes for 150 yards , and 5* 6'4" TE jt sanders caught 21 passes for 228 yards... the passing game problem is due to the #1 receiver right?  cant possibly be the common denominator....

[KeysPhoneWallet 807]

if in the LAST 4 GAMES 5* receiver jordan whittington caught 11 passes for 150 yards , and 5* 6'4" TE jt sanders caught 21 passes for 228 yards... the passing game problem is due to the #1 receiver right?  cant possibly be the common denominator....

Lots of problems, but lots of drives have been killed by the wr, if those drives hasn’t been killed then things would look better and there would be less sand stuck in everyone’s vaginas

[Codaxx 5943]

3 hours ago, 52-80 said:

8th best receiver coming out of high school, who was 20 yards from a 1000yd season last year with 12 TDs, and remains the leading team receiver this year with 9tds...

....should probably just throw him in the trash, because hes making his 55% throwing quarterback look bad.

That isnt what he said. Worthy is great with the ball in his hands. He does not excel when you ask him to go get the ball. Best use is to get him in space and use his athleticism and speed to make plays and occasionally sneak him deep. Texas is doing the opposite of that. Mostly deep shots and occasionally getting him in space underneath. 

[Codaxx 5943]

3 hours ago, 52-80 said:

if in the LAST 4 GAMES 5* receiver jordan whittington caught 11 passes for 150 yards , and 5* 6'4" TE jt sanders caught 21 passes for 228 yards... the passing game problem is due to the #1 receiver right?  cant possibly be the common denominator....

Sanders is catching 71% of his targets and Worthy is catching 49%, so I am not sure what you are trying to say here. 

[BurntOrange&White 40436]

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Sanders is catching 71% of his targets and Worthy is catching 49%, so I am not sure what you are trying to say here. 

Can you do Whittington catch percentage as well?

[Codaxx 5943]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Can you do Whittington catch percentage as well?

I didnt pay for the site, so I can only see top 20 in targets at positions. 

put this is the passing offense thread.+

Worthy:

Averaging 9 targets

Catch rate  48.9% 

yards per target  6.5 from 

13.27 per catch

Sanders:

6.5 targets

70.8% catch rate

7.9 yards/target

11.11 per catch

Unfortunately, I can find individual stats for the other players. If we use attempts (which will not correct for balls thrown away) the other players are targeted 16.5 times a game, 102 catches, and 1368 yards. That is a 61.8% catch rate and 8.29 yards per target. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Codaxx

[52-80 19277]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Can you do Whittington catch percentage as well?

And catch percentage adjusted for YPC?

[Had Enough 2089]

Whittington has caught 67% of passes thrown his way. Their yards per catch are about the same. Worthy has 60% more targets.

[Codaxx 5943]

16 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Whittington has caught 67% of passes thrown his way. Their yards per catch are about the same. Worthy has 60% more targets.

This all isnt to get into a massive Worthy fight. He is running a lot more low percentage routes, than others. The data is suggesting that Texas needs to incorporate more receivers into the passing  game. Worthy is getting somewhere around 30% of the targets and he has been the least productive WR per target on the team. 

[Had Enough 2089]

I’m with you. Worthy’s target share needs to come as does his depth of target. He as well as others can make some things happen if we just get the ball in their hands. Shorter throws are easier throws and often easier catches.

[Codaxx 5943]

17 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I’m with you. Worthy’s target share needs to come as does his depth of target. He as well as others can make some things happen if we just get the ball in their hands. Shorter throws are easier throws and often easier catches.

Agreed. Just my opinion, but I think the offense is better built to spread the field out and open up space for athletes. Defense are going to pack the box and bringing in multiple TEs is just going make their job easier. If Texas can overwhelm a front with multiple TEs, than be my guest and lets play old man football. If you can not do that, you should probably use more 11 personnel. Texas found success with the simple RPO (WR screen attached) vs TCU out of 11 personnel.  

[Hookem2147 21422]

Dunlap with some thoughts/numbers on Ewers

Spoiler

The player who was talked about more than any other prior to, during and immediately following the contest, though, was of course QB Quinn Ewers. It doesn't take a QB whisperer (we don't really have any of those among us down here in the basement) to see that Ewers was off -- like, really off at times -- versus TCU. It's brought into question his very viability as a starter in Steve Sarkisian's offense. Only Ewers, Sark and the staff will ever know whether total air balls and prayer-yard hail-marys to Xavier Worthy which missed the mark badly like this one, or this one, or this one or this one were the fault of Ewers simply not being able to get off of that first read and forcing the football into impossible spots in bad situations, or whether, as Sarkisian implied in his press conference on Monday, Ewers was actually putting the balls in the right spot (indicating that Worthy also had at least a good hand in the dysfunction).

One thing we can all agree on, though, is that Quinn Ewers is not the one dropping all these passes.

Balls that absolutely SHOULD have been completed (these passes should never be dropped by college receivers at a place like Texas)

This football hits Xavier Worthy in the hands on a key third down:
(go to 6:00 if it doesn't take you automatically)


An egregious drop from Ja'Tavion Sanders on another key third down:
(go to 9:13 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ja'Tavion Sanders can't hang on leading to a 3rd and 19
(go to 18:18 if it doesn't take you automatically)


We don't even know what to say about this drop for Worthy, the drive would go nowhere moving forward:
(go to 22:54 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Miserable Jahleel Billingsley drop on a drive that would go nowhere:
(go to 29:35 if it doesn't take you automatically)


How Tarique Milton loses his grasp on his positioning to the sideline here is beyond us:
(go to 42:53 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Balls that legitimately COULD have been completed (passes like this, while certainly not easy and oftentimes well-contested, are absolutely within the spectrum of "catchable" for Texas-level athletes playing receiving positions)

This is a tough catch, but it does hit Worthy in the hands despite the good defense. This is not an impossible catch to make if you truly are one of the nation's premier receivers:
(go to 25:57 if it doesn't take you automatically)


If Whittington were to get his head around quicker and be ready for this fastball, it absolutely falls within the realm of catchability:
(go to 39:58 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Whittington, again -- not easy, but the kind of clutch catch that will sometimes be made by difference-makers in key times in football games, despite being deflected before touching his hands:
(go to 40:24 if it doesn't take you automatically)


On the next play, Sanders has the chance to go beast mode and bring down a contested ball with strong hands get Texas back in the thick of it on one of the biggest 4th downs he'll ever face. Easy? No. But this is big-time college football:
(go to 40:42 if it doesn't take you automatically)


One more from Sanders, definitely the "hardest" of any of the near-misses shared here, and we only include it because it looks like he actually had the football in his hands with control before getting it knocked away at the last second. It would have been a catch for the ages, and it says a lot about JTS that this was even in play to be a catch, but seeing it come so close to happening, in turn, means it was indeed a missed opportunity:
(go to 44:22 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ewers was 17/39 against TCU as far as his completions to attempts. We can now definitively say that, adjusting for wildly uncharacteristic drops, he should have been at least 23/39 (a 59% completion percentage). If we aren't generous and say that receivers should have come down with just two of the five balls highlighted in the "COULD have been caught"-category, we're looking at 25/39 (a 64.1% completion percentage). By comparison, Ewers has a 55.2% completion percentage on the season.

But more importantly, how many drives stalled because of these drops? Most of the tough ones occurred in the end zone, and coming down with those footballs, while harder, would have certainly paid off bigger for the Horns. But who knows what would have happened on those earlier drives that were neutered early on by all this cockamamie butter-finger stuff? No one ever will.

As we look for answers, the drops aren't everything, but they're certainly something. We now put this debacle behind us in preparation for the Kansas Jayhawks, who under no circumstance can be allowed a second-straight win against the Texas Longhorns.

Onward to Lawrence.

 

[The Earl of Texas 3179]

Good shit, there. Lots of blame to go around, and Quinn is due plenty.

I remember when the previous iteration of this board would scream down anyone who wanted to give Vince Young another chance after the 2003 Red River and Arky games.

Ewers isn’t there yet, and I hope like hell he gets there, but he won’t get there sitting on the bench.

Edited November 17, 2022 by The Earl of Texas

[Codaxx 5943]

38 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Dunlap with some thoughts/numbers on Ewers

  Hide contents

The player who was talked about more than any other prior to, during and immediately following the contest, though, was of course QB Quinn Ewers. It doesn't take a QB whisperer (we don't really have any of those among us down here in the basement) to see that Ewers was off -- like, really off at times -- versus TCU. It's brought into question his very viability as a starter in Steve Sarkisian's offense. Only Ewers, Sark and the staff will ever know whether total air balls and prayer-yard hail-marys to Xavier Worthy which missed the mark badly like this one, or this one, or this one or this one were the fault of Ewers simply not being able to get off of that first read and forcing the football into impossible spots in bad situations, or whether, as Sarkisian implied in his press conference on Monday, Ewers was actually putting the balls in the right spot (indicating that Worthy also had at least a good hand in the dysfunction).

One thing we can all agree on, though, is that Quinn Ewers is not the one dropping all these passes.

Balls that absolutely SHOULD have been completed (these passes should never be dropped by college receivers at a place like Texas)

This football hits Xavier Worthy in the hands on a key third down:
(go to 6:00 if it doesn't take you automatically)


An egregious drop from Ja'Tavion Sanders on another key third down:
(go to 9:13 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ja'Tavion Sanders can't hang on leading to a 3rd and 19
(go to 18:18 if it doesn't take you automatically)


We don't even know what to say about this drop for Worthy, the drive would go nowhere moving forward:
(go to 22:54 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Miserable Jahleel Billingsley drop on a drive that would go nowhere:
(go to 29:35 if it doesn't take you automatically)


How Tarique Milton loses his grasp on his positioning to the sideline here is beyond us:
(go to 42:53 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Balls that legitimately COULD have been completed (passes like this, while certainly not easy and oftentimes well-contested, are absolutely within the spectrum of "catchable" for Texas-level athletes playing receiving positions)

This is a tough catch, but it does hit Worthy in the hands despite the good defense. This is not an impossible catch to make if you truly are one of the nation's premier receivers:
(go to 25:57 if it doesn't take you automatically)


If Whittington were to get his head around quicker and be ready for this fastball, it absolutely falls within the realm of catchability:
(go to 39:58 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Whittington, again -- not easy, but the kind of clutch catch that will sometimes be made by difference-makers in key times in football games, despite being deflected before touching his hands:
(go to 40:24 if it doesn't take you automatically)


On the next play, Sanders has the chance to go beast mode and bring down a contested ball with strong hands get Texas back in the thick of it on one of the biggest 4th downs he'll ever face. Easy? No. But this is big-time college football:
(go to 40:42 if it doesn't take you automatically)


One more from Sanders, definitely the "hardest" of any of the near-misses shared here, and we only include it because it looks like he actually had the football in his hands with control before getting it knocked away at the last second. It would have been a catch for the ages, and it says a lot about JTS that this was even in play to be a catch, but seeing it come so close to happening, in turn, means it was indeed a missed opportunity:
(go to 44:22 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ewers was 17/39 against TCU as far as his completions to attempts. We can now definitively say that, adjusting for wildly uncharacteristic drops, he should have been at least 23/39 (a 59% completion percentage). If we aren't generous and say that receivers should have come down with just two of the five balls highlighted in the "COULD have been caught"-category, we're looking at 25/39 (a 64.1% completion percentage). By comparison, Ewers has a 55.2% completion percentage on the season.

But more importantly, how many drives stalled because of these drops? Most of the tough ones occurred in the end zone, and coming down with those footballs, while harder, would have certainly paid off bigger for the Horns. But who knows what would have happened on those earlier drives that were neutered early on by all this cockamamie butter-finger stuff? No one ever will.

As we look for answers, the drops aren't everything, but they're certainly something. We now put this debacle behind us in preparation for the Kansas Jayhawks, who under no circumstance can be allowed a second-straight win against the Texas Longhorns.

Onward to Lawrence.

 

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[Fondren & Main 6759]

37 minutes ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Good shit, there. Lots of blame to go around, and Quinn is due plenty.

I remember when the previous iteration of this board would scream down anyone who wanted to give Vince Young another chance after the 2003 Red River and Arky games.

Ewers isn’t there yet, and I hope like hell he gets there, but he won’t get there sitting on the bench.

2003 Ark was Mock.  I think 2003 Tech and 2003 Wazzu is when Vince got hammered.  Maybe 2004 OU too, but I think people were more pissed at GDGD for that one.  Anyway, people definitely wanted to move Vince to WR or S at points during 2004.

I think Quinn will be fine and so will Worthy. Seems like Sark needs to work harder in getting Worthy open in space.  Hopefully we make adjustments for Kansas and the D continues its upward trajectory culminating in an absolute prison rape of Baylor at home.

[LTtxfan 49404]

1 hour ago, Hookem2147 said:

Dunlap with some thoughts/numbers on Ewers

  Reveal hidden contents

The player who was talked about more than any other prior to, during and immediately following the contest, though, was of course QB Quinn Ewers. It doesn't take a QB whisperer (we don't really have any of those among us down here in the basement) to see that Ewers was off -- like, really off at times -- versus TCU. It's brought into question his very viability as a starter in Steve Sarkisian's offense. Only Ewers, Sark and the staff will ever know whether total air balls and prayer-yard hail-marys to Xavier Worthy which missed the mark badly like this one, or this one, or this one or this one were the fault of Ewers simply not being able to get off of that first read and forcing the football into impossible spots in bad situations, or whether, as Sarkisian implied in his press conference on Monday, Ewers was actually putting the balls in the right spot (indicating that Worthy also had at least a good hand in the dysfunction).

One thing we can all agree on, though, is that Quinn Ewers is not the one dropping all these passes.

Balls that absolutely SHOULD have been completed (these passes should never be dropped by college receivers at a place like Texas)

This football hits Xavier Worthy in the hands on a key third down:
(go to 6:00 if it doesn't take you automatically)


An egregious drop from Ja'Tavion Sanders on another key third down:
(go to 9:13 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ja'Tavion Sanders can't hang on leading to a 3rd and 19
(go to 18:18 if it doesn't take you automatically)


We don't even know what to say about this drop for Worthy, the drive would go nowhere moving forward:
(go to 22:54 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Miserable Jahleel Billingsley drop on a drive that would go nowhere:
(go to 29:35 if it doesn't take you automatically)


How Tarique Milton loses his grasp on his positioning to the sideline here is beyond us:
(go to 42:53 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Balls that legitimately COULD have been completed (passes like this, while certainly not easy and oftentimes well-contested, are absolutely within the spectrum of "catchable" for Texas-level athletes playing receiving positions)

This is a tough catch, but it does hit Worthy in the hands despite the good defense. This is not an impossible catch to make if you truly are one of the nation's premier receivers:
(go to 25:57 if it doesn't take you automatically)


If Whittington were to get his head around quicker and be ready for this fastball, it absolutely falls within the realm of catchability:
(go to 39:58 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Whittington, again -- not easy, but the kind of clutch catch that will sometimes be made by difference-makers in key times in football games, despite being deflected before touching his hands:
(go to 40:24 if it doesn't take you automatically)


On the next play, Sanders has the chance to go beast mode and bring down a contested ball with strong hands get Texas back in the thick of it on one of the biggest 4th downs he'll ever face. Easy? No. But this is big-time college football:
(go to 40:42 if it doesn't take you automatically)


One more from Sanders, definitely the "hardest" of any of the near-misses shared here, and we only include it because it looks like he actually had the football in his hands with control before getting it knocked away at the last second. It would have been a catch for the ages, and it says a lot about JTS that this was even in play to be a catch, but seeing it come so close to happening, in turn, means it was indeed a missed opportunity:
(go to 44:22 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ewers was 17/39 against TCU as far as his completions to attempts. We can now definitively say that, adjusting for wildly uncharacteristic drops, he should have been at least 23/39 (a 59% completion percentage). If we aren't generous and say that receivers should have come down with just two of the five balls highlighted in the "COULD have been caught"-category, we're looking at 25/39 (a 64.1% completion percentage). By comparison, Ewers has a 55.2% completion percentage on the season.

But more importantly, how many drives stalled because of these drops? Most of the tough ones occurred in the end zone, and coming down with those footballs, while harder, would have certainly paid off bigger for the Horns. But who knows what would have happened on those earlier drives that were neutered early on by all this cockamamie butter-finger stuff? No one ever will.

As we look for answers, the drops aren't everything, but they're certainly something. We now put this debacle behind us in preparation for the Kansas Jayhawks, who under no circumstance can be allowed a second-straight win against the Texas Longhorns.

Onward to Lawrence.

 

Texas Offense:  a lot of pressing to make the big plays instead of just playing football.  Hopefully Sark over emphasizes reps in practice this week to build belief and confidence at QB, WRs, and TEs.  Sark needs to spread the ball around more to build confidence and better consistency.

I've seen this happen before in basketball... watched a team go 1-7 in the first part of district play, and then go 7-1 in the 2nd half. The difference and belief for that team came from beating the 1st place district team and just executing their offense better.

This is where the Texas offense is stuck... they need to execute two consecutive good offensive games in the next 9 days...  🤘

[Thatguy 9034]

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

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[40acredropout 2908]

Sark isn't doing Quinn any favors.  

Per PFF, Quinn is throwing Medium (10-19 yards) or Deep balls (20+ yards) on exactly 50% of his attempts. 

There are only 9 (of 131) FBS teams who throw medium/deep more frequently, and three of them are service academies who are skewed by sample size.

I went and looked at it on game-by-game basis and there's been virtually zero adjustment, even as Quinn has appeared to be absolute lost in finding receivers downfield.

I'm not an X's and O's guy but it just doesn't make sense to me why we aren't adjusting.  Yes people are stacking the box.  Everybody in the stadium knows we can't take the top off the defense.  Instead of beating our heads against the wall, why don't we try to get athletes like Whittington, Worthy, either of our 3 super talented running backs, Brennan Thompson, etc. etc. etc. the ball in their hands in the flats and short and let them try to make plays.  All the while building rhythm and confidence in the FRESHMAN quarterback.

 

[40acredropout 2908]

And probably wrong thread, but while I'm at it.

212 FBS receivers have been targeted 10+ times on deep balls (20+ yards).

Worthy ranks 191st in catch %.  9 catches on 38 targets.  Nobody with as many targets as a lower catch %.  Stop giving away 5 plays a fucking game trying to make it happen.  I'll eat crow when it finally works but holy fuck it is brutal watching that shit.  

[sith_horn 2407]

4 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

Dunlap with some thoughts/numbers on Ewers

  Reveal hidden contents

The player who was talked about more than any other prior to, during and immediately following the contest, though, was of course QB Quinn Ewers. It doesn't take a QB whisperer (we don't really have any of those among us down here in the basement) to see that Ewers was off -- like, really off at times -- versus TCU. It's brought into question his very viability as a starter in Steve Sarkisian's offense. Only Ewers, Sark and the staff will ever know whether total air balls and prayer-yard hail-marys to Xavier Worthy which missed the mark badly like this one, or this one, or this one or this one were the fault of Ewers simply not being able to get off of that first read and forcing the football into impossible spots in bad situations, or whether, as Sarkisian implied in his press conference on Monday, Ewers was actually putting the balls in the right spot (indicating that Worthy also had at least a good hand in the dysfunction).

One thing we can all agree on, though, is that Quinn Ewers is not the one dropping all these passes.

Balls that absolutely SHOULD have been completed (these passes should never be dropped by college receivers at a place like Texas)

This football hits Xavier Worthy in the hands on a key third down:
(go to 6:00 if it doesn't take you automatically)


An egregious drop from Ja'Tavion Sanders on another key third down:
(go to 9:13 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ja'Tavion Sanders can't hang on leading to a 3rd and 19
(go to 18:18 if it doesn't take you automatically)


We don't even know what to say about this drop for Worthy, the drive would go nowhere moving forward:
(go to 22:54 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Miserable Jahleel Billingsley drop on a drive that would go nowhere:
(go to 29:35 if it doesn't take you automatically)


How Tarique Milton loses his grasp on his positioning to the sideline here is beyond us:
(go to 42:53 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Balls that legitimately COULD have been completed (passes like this, while certainly not easy and oftentimes well-contested, are absolutely within the spectrum of "catchable" for Texas-level athletes playing receiving positions)

This is a tough catch, but it does hit Worthy in the hands despite the good defense. This is not an impossible catch to make if you truly are one of the nation's premier receivers:
(go to 25:57 if it doesn't take you automatically)


If Whittington were to get his head around quicker and be ready for this fastball, it absolutely falls within the realm of catchability:
(go to 39:58 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Whittington, again -- not easy, but the kind of clutch catch that will sometimes be made by difference-makers in key times in football games, despite being deflected before touching his hands:
(go to 40:24 if it doesn't take you automatically)


On the next play, Sanders has the chance to go beast mode and bring down a contested ball with strong hands get Texas back in the thick of it on one of the biggest 4th downs he'll ever face. Easy? No. But this is big-time college football:
(go to 40:42 if it doesn't take you automatically)


One more from Sanders, definitely the "hardest" of any of the near-misses shared here, and we only include it because it looks like he actually had the football in his hands with control before getting it knocked away at the last second. It would have been a catch for the ages, and it says a lot about JTS that this was even in play to be a catch, but seeing it come so close to happening, in turn, means it was indeed a missed opportunity:
(go to 44:22 if it doesn't take you automatically)


Ewers was 17/39 against TCU as far as his completions to attempts. We can now definitively say that, adjusting for wildly uncharacteristic drops, he should have been at least 23/39 (a 59% completion percentage). If we aren't generous and say that receivers should have come down with just two of the five balls highlighted in the "COULD have been caught"-category, we're looking at 25/39 (a 64.1% completion percentage). By comparison, Ewers has a 55.2% completion percentage on the season.

But more importantly, how many drives stalled because of these drops? Most of the tough ones occurred in the end zone, and coming down with those footballs, while harder, would have certainly paid off bigger for the Horns. But who knows what would have happened on those earlier drives that were neutered early on by all this cockamamie butter-finger stuff? No one ever will.

As we look for answers, the drops aren't everything, but they're certainly something. We now put this debacle behind us in preparation for the Kansas Jayhawks, who under no circumstance can be allowed a second-straight win against the Texas Longhorns.

Onward to Lawrence.

 

 

And I'd call BS on the first two listed there for JT as "must" catches. The first one JT catches and as he turns the DB's helmet hits the ball perfectly to pop it loose. Otherwise, the catch is made. Dunlap loses all credibility there because it shows he's on a mission to include as many drops as he can into the "must" catch category. The second one was just too low for JT to manage while on the move and at his size. Yes, it would have been nice if he caught it, but a must catch? No. That ball probably gets caught 1 out of 10 times by great WR's who aren't bulked up TE's. Deuce Vaughn would have probably caught it ...

[Levi 2606]

27 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

 

And I'd call BS on the first two listed there for JT as "must" catches. The first one JT catches and as he turns the DB's helmet hits the ball perfectly to pop it loose. Otherwise, the catch is made. Dunlap loses all credibility there because it shows he's on a mission to include as many drops as he can into the "must" catch category. The second one was just too low for JT to manage while on the move and at his size. Yes, it would have been nice if he caught it, but a must catch? No. That ball probably gets caught 1 out of 10 times by great WR's who aren't bulked up TE's. Deuce Vaughn would have probably caught it ...

You’re overthinking the Sanders drop over the middle. 3rd down conversion deep in our own territory is a must catch. He has caught way tougher balls than that this year. Maybe TE’s like Brewer last year struggle with that ball but an athletic freak like Sanders should make that catch easily. 

[sith_horn 2407]

31 minutes ago, Levi said:

You’re overthinking the Sanders drop over the middle. 3rd down conversion deep in our own territory is a must catch. He has caught way tougher balls than that this year. Maybe TE’s like Brewer last year struggle with that ball but an athletic freak like Sanders should make that catch easily. 

I agree to disagree. 3rd down and we really need it is irrelevant. Yes, it sucks but this isn't Keontay Ingram dropping a gimme in the end zone. I think underthinking is what makes many believe there's no excuse for not making the catch. You can beat yourself and others up over misses but so much depends on timing. A split second sooner recognition to make the adjustment to that fucked up pass is all the difference. He almost got it. Doesn't mean he can't improve. Always room to hone his craft on the types of catches he failed to make.

Edited November 17, 2022 by sith_horn

[SarkAfterDark 1702]

Our receivers shouldn't have to make tough catches every time a ball is thrown their way. The problem starts with the QB, when he starts playing better and making better passes the offense will look a lot better. 

[Hookem2147 21422]

7 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Our receivers shouldn't have to make tough catches every time a ball is thrown their way.

Counter: good receivers bail out their QB's even when the passes aren't perfect.

Anyone trying to say the first drop from Sanders is a tough catch hasn't seen that dude play this year. He catches that ball 99 times out of 100. And if he converts that 3rd down and we get out of the shadow of our own endzone early, who knows how that changes the game in the first half.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Hookem2147

[SarkAfterDark 1702]

3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Counter: good receivers bail out their QB's even when the passes aren't perfect.

Anyone trying to say the first drop from Sanders is a tough catch hasn't seen that dude play this year. He catches that ball 99 times out of 100. And if he converts that 3rd down and we get out of the shadow of our own endzone early, who knows how that changes the game in the first half.

That really isn't a counter, because I never said the receivers shouldn't/couldn't, in fact most of them have made tough catches this season. However the expectation shouldn't be that they will do so consistently. They aren't going to make tough catches 100 out of 100 of the times. And you are blaming Sanders on that play when there is no reason Quinn should have threw that ball to his knees to begin with. That is where it starts, it was a piss poor throw.  

[Hookem2147 21422]

1 minute ago, SarkAfterDark said:

That really isn't a counter, because I never said the receivers shouldn't/couldn't, in fact most of them have made tough catches this season. However the expectation shouldn't be that they will do so consistently. They aren't going to make tough catches 100 out of 100 of the times. And you are blaming Sanders on that play when there is no reason Quinn should have threw that ball to his knees to begin with. That is where it starts, it was a piss poor throw.  

You said our receivers shouldn't have to make tough catches every time the ball is thrown their way. They sure as hell didn't make the easy catches either last week. I'm not asking our dudes to jump over 3 defenders to haul in a pass. I'm asking Xavier Worthy and Billingsley to catch passes that hit them between the numbers and then for Sanders to help his QB out on a throw where he has to bend down a little. I don't think that's asking for much.

[Levi 2606]

4 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

That really isn't a counter, because I never said the receivers shouldn't/couldn't, in fact most of them have made tough catches this season. However the expectation shouldn't be that they will do so consistently. They aren't going to make tough catches 100 out of 100 of the times. And you are blaming Sanders on that play when there is no reason Quinn should have threw that ball to his knees to begin with. That is where it starts, it was a piss poor throw.  

Just like Ewrers isn’t going to make every throw. It’s a team game and guys should pick up the slack for each other when needed. 

[Codaxx 5943]

3 hours ago, 40acredropout said:

And probably wrong thread, but while I'm at it.

212 FBS receivers have been targeted 10+ times on deep balls (20+ yards).

Worthy ranks 191st in catch %.  9 catches on 38 targets.  Nobody with as many targets as a lower catch %.  Stop giving away 5 plays a fucking game trying to make it happen.  I'll eat crow when it finally works but holy fuck it is brutal watching that shit.  

I would be happy to trade 2 deep shots for 2 Jet sweeps 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Codaxx

[Thatguy 9034]

2 hours ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Our receivers shouldn't have to make tough catches every time a ball is thrown their way. The problem starts with the QB, when he starts playing better and making better passes the offense will look a lot better. 

A high or low ball while you are alone isn't a tough catch. A contested ball is a tough catch. In case you forgot Card threw balls like that all the time. 

[Fondren & Main 6759]

17 hours ago, SarkAfterDark said:

That really isn't a counter, because I never said the receivers shouldn't/couldn't, in fact most of them have made tough catches this season. However the expectation shouldn't be that they will do so consistently. They aren't going to make tough catches 100 out of 100 of the times. And you are blaming Sanders on that play when there is no reason Quinn should have threw that ball to his knees to begin with. That is where it starts, it was a piss poor throw.  

Most receivers would have adjusted to the low throw and taken the first down.  Sanders got antsy and started running without the football because he was wide ass open.  I guess I disagree with you on that one.

[LTtxfan 49404]

Ewers catching heat from Klatt on DFW radio show... Southlake folks probably have mixed emotions.

The Hardline- Joel Klatt The Ticket Top 10

Nov. 16th, Klatt on Ewers:  "His feet have always lagged behind, and they get lazy... and he relies on his arm too much because he thinks it's better than it is"

Around 8min mark

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hardline-joel-klatt/id1368713096?i=1000586518325

[Jkwellborn 6877]

Ewers catching heat from Klatt on DFW radio show... Southlake folks probably have mixed emotions.
The Hardline- Joel Klatt The Ticket Top 10
Nov. 16th, Klatt on Ewers:  "His feet have always lagged behind, and they get lazy... and he relies on his arm too much because he thinks it's better than it is"
Around 8min mark
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hardline-joel-klatt/id1368713096?i=1000586518325

He’s not wrong though.

[tbone_ 14256]

He’s not wrong at all. Ewers fucking sucks right now. Hugely.

He has the ability to not suck if he gets his head straight and puts in the work. But who knows. Nothing about anything our program ever does suggests that’s a possibility though.

[Longboard Horn 40849]

With guys being open and Quinn not seeing them, that can be fixed. Quinn also needs to learn how to use his legs more and fucking run. What does Card do when the play develops and the WR isn't there or covered? He runs!

[markstanco 12652]

Just like Ewrers isn’t going to make every throw. It’s a team game and guys should pick up the slack for each other when needed. 

Ewrers should starts

[Neonmoon 38130]

Is this fucking mope capable of throwing a pass? How the fuck do you keep overthrowing shit?

[Brothahorn 10088]

Quinn's throwing motion might be worse than Vince's.

[StrippersAndNobelPrizes 855]

3 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Quinn's throwing motion might be worse than Vince's.

But as good as Uncle Rico's?

[Revolution512 1503]

His arm angle continues to drop, my guess is he’s injured.

[Neonmoon 38130]

3 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:

His arm angle continues to drop, my guess is he’s injured.

He’s not injured. 

[Dbeasy 15225]

We don’t know if he’s injured or not. He took a hit several weeks back and they could be hiding it, especially if it’s the ribs. 

Also making him look bad is the complexity of the Sark offense. Riley and Leach run a much simpler offense that can be learned quickly. 

With all that said, he still doesn’t look great, although the last series was a bit better. 

[Revolution512 1503]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

He’s not injured. 

Maybe not, but his arm slot is most definitely different post Bama. He can’t get on top of it and the ball sails. 

[Nivek 17036]

Quinn really needs to throw it into his facemask at this point.

[Firemans4Horn 18302]

Yeesh

[Neonmoon 38130]

9-18 with 80 yards. 
 

He’s just not that good 

[Murfdogg21 4481]

damn, son. 

[MAUFRAIS 6675]

Maybe taking a paid year off in Ohio wasn’t the best idea?

[Had Enough 2089]

Maybe taking a paid year off in Ohio wasn’t the best idea?

Or maybe it was the best move ever.

[CurlyDumps 4539]

25 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said:

Maybe taking a paid year off in Ohio wasn’t the best idea?

If it was to get the clock ticking early on his NFL eligibility, does seem like a pretty pointless move.