QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[HOOKEM4 5036]

27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Sarkisian noted that it wasn’t an ideal situation for his offensive line to be in, although of the seven sacks allowed by the Longhorns, PFF only credited two to the line, one each for Banks and junior right tackle Cam Williams.

That sack tagged to banks was wholly on Ewers not stepping up in the pocket. He drove the defender as deep as he could. Quinn has to step up on his goal line. Hell, even my 9 year old commented on it in the replay. "why did he not step up dad?" He needs a reset. Quinn has to be more fearless.

[Newy25 7668]

3 minutes ago, bullet said:

Well the consequences for Ewers is when or even if he gets drafted.

We could lose 2-3 more games this year if we don’t get our offense back on track. I am less concerned about where or if Ewers gets drafted right now. 

[Hookem2147 21199]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm pretty annoyed with how Sark handled this as well.  If the starter is THAT clear in his mind, you don't pull him down 17 or 20 in the 2nd quarter. You just don't. So either they downplayed how injured Ewers was, or they actually see what we all see (that Quinn is mentally fragile and inconsistent) and pulled him in a panic move. Sark has worked very hard all year to avoid a QB controversy, and then just decided to create one all by himself by bringing Arch in before halftime

The dude had like 16 yards passing in 6 drives and was seeing ghosts. At that point his own confidence is about to go off a cliff if you keep just letting him bang his head against a wall.

He absolutely made the right direction in sitting Quinn down. At worse, Arch comes in and does the same thing as Quinn but at that point you already had nothing going so who cares (which is what happened). At best, you get a spark from Arch or Quinn calms down (I.e Rattler against Texas in the 2020 game) and looks better the remainder of the game.

You can’t look that bad in a home game coming off an injury and a previous game where you already looked shaky and expect to just keep doing the same thing with a capable backup behind you.

Edited October 20 by Hookem2147

[Codaxx 5727]

9 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

That sack tagged to banks was wholly on Ewers not stepping up in the pocket. He drove the defender as deep as he could. Quinn has to step up on his goal line. Hell, even my 9 year old commented on it in the replay. "why did he not step up dad?" He needs a reset. Quinn has to be more fearless.

Pretty sure the sack on Banks was on the fumble by Ewers on 4th down 

Edited October 20 by Codaxx

[Codaxx 5727]

7 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

We could lose 2-3 more games this year if we don’t get our offense back on track. I am less concerned about where or if Ewers gets drafted right now. 

I think Sark showed his hand. I don’t think Quinn will have a long leash this week. 

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

The dude had like 16 yards passing in 6 drives and was seeing ghosts. At that point his own confidence is about to go off a cliff if you keep just letting him bang his head against a wall.

He absolutely made the right direction in sitting Quinn down. At worse, Arch comes in and does the same thing as Quinn but at that point you already had nothing going so who cares (which is what happened). At best, you get a spark from Arch or Quinn calms down (I.e Rattler against Texas in the 2020 game) and looks better the remainder of the game.

You can’t look that bad in a home game going off an injury and a previous game where you already looked shaky and expect to just keep doing the same thing with a capable backup behind you.

The timing was bad.

Pull Quinn in the 2nd quarter and start Arch the rest of the game? Fine.

Stick with Quinn through halftime and decide in the locker room who starts/plays the 2nd half? Fine. 

Pulling Quinn before halftime, then putting him back in for entire 2nd half? Panic move and created more of a mess than this needs to be. 

 

[Had Enough 2078]

Golden was open quite a bit.  But he’s not a focal point so he doesn’t get the looks.

 

Arch’s 1st and 2nd series were big play opportunities.  The 4th down slant to Bond.

I am not sure what’s a reasonable rate to not get to the open receiver but yesterday was certainly not the only QBs that have that.

[David Dennison 18850]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The timing was bad.

Pull Quinn in the 2nd quarter and start Arch the rest of the game? Fine.

Stick with Quinn through halftime and decide in the locker room who starts/plays the 2nd half? Fine. 

Pulling Quinn before halftime, then putting him back in for entire 2nd half? Panic move and created more of a mess than this needs to be. 

 

It's not a mess at all. Quinn Ewers is QB1.

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It's not a mess at all. Quinn Ewers is QB1.

Sure thing, man. 

 

[David Dennison 18850]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Sure thing, man. 

 

Is he not?

[The Ace of Aces 5175]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm pretty annoyed with how Sark handled this as well.  If the starter is THAT clear in his mind, you don't pull him down 17 or 20 in the 2nd quarter. You just don't. So either they downplayed how injured Ewers was, or they actually see what we all see (that Quinn is mentally fragile and inconsistent) and pulled him in a panic move. Sark has worked very hard all year to avoid a QB controversy, and then just decided to create one all by himself by bringing Arch in before halftime.

In real time, I wanted Quinn to stay in until halftime and to decide what to do from there. I definitely wanted Quinn back in on the last drive before the half since it was a 2 minute drill and maybe that could give him a spark. Really dumb IMO to put Arch back out there for a 2nd drive and we got burned with another turnover and 3 points for Georgia. 

Sark needs to stop complaining about the outside noise regarding this situation and take ownership of how he handled it last night. 

 

I get what you’re stating but I pretty strongly disagree with your last graph. Sark has handled this better than anyone really can I think - he did take ownership even at half and said he had to calm Ewers. It’s insane a 3 year starter had to be sat and calmed and that’s another debate but I actually think Sark has handled this entire thing pretty well.
 

It’s a shame QB1 has the yips or is terrified  of football. 

[hobbes2702 13029]

53 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Sarkisian noted that it wasn’t an ideal situation for his offensive line to be in, although of the seven sacks allowed by the Longhorns, PFF only credited two to the line, one each for Banks and junior right tackle Cam Williams.

Anyone with eyes could see this. 

[troph 24781]

1 minute ago, The Ace of Aces said:

I get what you’re stating but I pretty strongly disagree with your last graph. Sark has handled this better than anyone really can I think - he did take ownership even at half and said he had to calm Ewers. It’s insane a 3 year starter had to be sat and calmed and that’s another debate but I actually think Sark has handled this entire thing pretty well.
 

It’s a shame QB1 has the yips or is terrified  of football. 

I completely disagree. close up of sark's face before he yanked QE showed terror in his eyes. Sark will get there, but he's still one step below what Saban was and what Smart is.

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Is he not?

Maybe, but the precedent has been set. He won't be QB1 for long if his injury has fucked him up this bad physically and mentally. We have no room for error now. 

 

 

[bullet 1596]

24 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

We could lose 2-3 more games this year if we don’t get our offense back on track. I am less concerned about where or if Ewers gets drafted right now. 

I was pointing out that was all the motivation Ewers should need to get back on track.

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Is he not?

Situation is fluid my man

[6th Street 6390]

Need to change thread title to Quinn "La Basura" Ewers

[StrippersAndNobelPrizes 844]

Watching how Mahomes handles pocket pressure and how Ewers handles it is like watching Michael Jordan vs. toddlers. Mahomes knows exactly when to step up and when to step to the side. Ewers just panics and basically trips over his own feet. It’s like he doesn’t understand the concept of the pocket and how it works. 

[HOOKEM4 5036]

18 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Pretty sure the sack on Banks was on the fumble by Ewers on 4th down 

I would have to rewatch that but it was a corner blitz right? Man, that is a tough sack to get pinned on the oline. But that is fair.

[David Dennison 18850]

1 minute ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

Situation is fluid my man

I'm not sure it is. Not yet, anyway.

But maybe.

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I'm not sure it is. Not yet, anyway.

But maybe.

You may be right but I’d love to see sark/milwee’s reaction rewatching the film. 

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

Just now, David Dennison said:

I'm not sure it is. Not yet, anyway.

But maybe.

I doubt anything in film study will make the coaches feel better about Quinn's performance and decision making. 

I've had a delayed anger with this game. Was pretty calm last night, but I'm getting more pissed about it by the hour, lol. 

 

[Not a Sock 2311]

Just now, StrippersAndNobelPrizes said:

Watching how Mahomes handles pocket pressure and how Ewers handles it is like watching Michael Jordan vs. toddlers. Mahomes knows exactly when to step up and when to step to the side. Ewers just panics and basically trips over his own feet. It’s like he doesn’t understand the concept of the pocket and how it works. 

 You’re telling me the 28 year old 3x SB 3x MVP future HOF NFL QB has better pocket presence than a 21 year old college QB?

[David Dennison 18850]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

I doubt anything in film study will make the coaches feel better about Quinn's performance and decision making. 

I've had a delayed anger with this game. Was pretty calm last night, but I'm getting more pissed about it by the hour, lol. 

Maybe, but that doesn't mean they are going to make a change in the depth chart this week, much to the consternation of some of our surly brethren.

[StrippersAndNobelPrizes 844]

1 minute ago, Not a Sock said:

 You’re telling me the 28 year old 3x SB 3x MVP future HOF NFL QB has better pocket presence than a 21 year old college QB?

No dumbass but I expect someone who has been playing football over half his life to understand a concept like “pocket” and when to step up and when to step sideways. Guess that is too complex a concept.

[Chico_SA 521]

10 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

it’s wild that we sit here and watch the other guy play just a shitty if not worse and still win the game yet we blame our QB for the loss

So totally wild.... just crazy wild... I mean accountability is just wild... 

[David Dennison 18850]

1 minute ago, Chico_SA said:

So totally wild.... just crazy wild... I mean accountability is just wild... 

What form should accountability for a three year starter take?

[AeroHorn 749]

5 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

 You’re telling me the 28 year old 3x SB 3x MVP future HOF NFL QB has better pocket presence than a 21 year old college QB?

You don't have to compare Ewers to Mahomes. We can just compare Michigan Ewers to yesterday's Ewers. At Michigan, he was moving in the pocket very well, not so much yesterday.

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Maybe, but that doesn't mean they are going to make a change in the depth chart this week, much to the consternation of some of our surly brethren.

Maybe not, but I'd bet Arch gets some first team reps this week. 

Again, the precedent has been set. There will be a quicker trigger to pull him again if he continue to look shitty. Now that we've lost a game, there is no room for error and Sark's urgency gets ramped up even more. 

 

[David Dennison 18850]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

Maybe not, but I'd bet Arch gets some first team reps this week. 

Again, the precedent has been set. There will be a quicker trigger to pull him again if he continue to look shitty. Now that we've lost a game, there is no room for error and Sark's urgency gets ramped up even more. 

You know what's wild?

We can lose another game and still be a lock for the final 12.

I don't recommend it.

[MissingInAction 25013]

I hate myself so I watched the replay today.

Quinns head is firmly up his own ass. Zero awareness, piss ass reads, has no idea what an offensive line does.

Bah! Fuck it, we're bowl eligible.

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

1 minute ago, MissingInAction said:

I hate myself so I watched the replay today.

Quinns head is firmly up his own ass. Zero awareness, piss ass reads, has no idea what an offensive line does.

Bah! Fuck it, we're bowl eligible.

Props to you for having the fortitude to put yourself through that. I’m really wanting to watch one of the YouTube “experts” break this down.

[BabaYaga 15288]

QE needs an overhaul.  He’s not the same guy that went into Tuscaloosa.   His heads not there and he’s got happy feet.  His draft stock has tanked and I could give zero shits about it.   Play the best player.   Period.  

[Hookem2147 21199]

Sark ain’t stupid man. He knows what he is watching. The playbook opened up this year with Arch in. Yeah, the opponents sucked but we just had so much more of the field to work with in addition to his running ability. There were a lot of valid reasons for Ewers remaining the starter and his experience is valuable, but those reasons are quickly becoming fewer and fewer.

He is absolutely playing for his job against Vandy. We can’t have a national title contending team with a third year starter who needs training wheels. He has earned the right to work through some stuff but 3 straight games is enough man.

[Codaxx 5727]

22 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

I would have to rewatch that but it was a corner blitz right? Man, that is a tough sack to get pinned on the oline. But that is fair.

It was the one in the 4th Q.. Edge got around Banks and knocked the ball out of Quinn’s hand as he was cocking back to throw 

[DixonHur 11295]

2 minutes ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

Props to you for having the fortitude to put yourself through that. I’m really wanting to watch one of the YouTube “experts” break this down.

Yeah, this isn't really one where you need an expert to break it down.  It was pretty obvious what happened.  

The entire team, and coaching staff shit the bed.  

People point to the D playing well, but I didn't really see that either.  Almost zero pass rush, run defense was so-so, and receivers were open.  If not for Beck struggling with accuracy and the WRs dropping easy balls, this game would have been a blowout.

[DaysOff 7947]

Maybe, but the precedent has been set. He won't be QB1 for long if his injury has fucked him up this bad physically and mentally. We have no room for error now. 
 
 

And that's fair.

Every talking head in the country 24 hours ago said Texas had the best QB room to the point it was almost unfair.

It can't be as dire as we're making it.

[Codaxx 5727]

3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Sark ain’t stupid man. He knows what he is watching. The playbook opened up this year with Arch in. Yeah, the opponents sucked but we just had so much more of the field to work with in addition to his running ability. There were a lot of valid reasons for Ewers remaining the starter and his experience is valuable, but those reasons are quickly becoming fewer and fewer.

He is absolutely playing for his job against Vandy. We can’t have a national title contending team with a third year starter who needs training wheels. He has earned the right to work through some stuff but 3 straight games is enough man.

I said the same. Ewers is the starter, but I think Vandy could be his last stand. 
 

Reason to play Ewers over Manning is command of the offense and consistency. Manning is going to make freshman mistakes, like trying to beat an NFL Lb to the sideline and taking a 10 yard loss. If Ewers is continues to imitate his freshman self, Sark will go with Arch. Who has no problem firing the ball deep, taking a shot throwing the ball, and adds a running element to the offense. 

[HOOKEM4 5036]

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It was the one in the 4th Q.. Edge got around Banks and knocked the ball out of Quinn’s hand as he was cocking back to throw 

Was it 11? That dude is a beast, still can't happen. Tbh, I was cooking ribs on the rewatch and didn't watch all of the 4th Q.

[Codaxx 5727]

Just now, HOOKEM4 said:

Was it 11? That dude is a beast, still can't happen. Tbh, I was cooking ribs on the rewatch and didn't watch all of the 4th Q.

I think it was Mykell Williams, who was projected 1st round pick and this was his first game back. he is a freak 

[dcar00 14155]

we are really going to need a running game if Ewers is going to commit to the Dan Marino bit...

[CurlyDumps 4468]

30 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The timing was bad.

Pull Quinn in the 2nd quarter and start Arch the rest of the game? Fine.

Stick with Quinn through halftime and decide in the locker room who starts/plays the 2nd half? Fine. 

Pulling Quinn before halftime, then putting him back in for entire 2nd half? Panic move and created more of a mess than this needs to be. 

7 plays, 26 yards, punt

3 plays, 1 yard, punt

4 plays, 8 yards, fumble

3 plays, -7 yards, punt

3 plays, 5 yards, INT

3 plays, -4 yards, punt

 

When it's THAT fucking bad, timing, optics, perception, whatever is all out the window. Sark HAD to try Arch. Hell at least Arch gained some field position and first downs by scrambling and drawing a penalty. He arguably somewhat stopped the bleeding. If Ewers played the entire first half it could have been 30-0.

If Arch would have shown something, Ewers probably never comes back. You're criticizing with the benefit of hindsight.  The bullets were flying and Sark had to make a tough call. I very much doubt he concocted the temporary benching plan in the moment. He was trying to win a football game. Ewers said he didn't know he'd be coming back into the game until halftime.

 

[ruitxn 296]

Sark loves his colleagues and press recognition as a Qb guru.  His ego will not allow another loss or close win when we score just 15 points and not change Qbs. He will have limits of his Ewers love fest.

[Jkwellborn 6692]

I think that if Arch had led a scoring drive before the half, Ewers would have been done for the game.

If Arch had taken the ball and score a td, Quinn would have been done for the year.

[Levi 2585]

7 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Sark ain’t stupid man. He knows what he is watching. The playbook opened up this year with Arch in. Yeah, the opponents sucked but we just had so much more of the field to work with in addition to his running ability. There were a lot of valid reasons for Ewers remaining the starter and his experience is valuable, but those reasons are quickly becoming fewer and fewer.

He is absolutely playing for his job against Vandy. We can’t have a national title contending team with a third year starter who needs training wheels. He has earned the right to work through some stuff but 3 straight games is enough man.

Reminds me of Dabo with Kelly and Lawrence. Kelly needed to progress and show that he could lead a very talented team to a championship. Lawrence came along with not as much playing time as Arch but when he was on the field it became more obvious and almost inevitable. By week 4 Lawrence was named the starter.

It’s time to shape up or ship out for Ewers. Sark didn’t recruit the portal and high school levels at an elite as he did to watch Ewers start slow against good defenses. 

[closetohumping 17435]

2 minutes ago, Levi said:

Reminds me of Dabo with Kelly and Lawrence. Kelly needed to progress and show that he could lead a very talented team to a championship. Lawrence came along with not as much playing time as Arch but when he was on the field it became more obvious and almost inevitable. By week 4 Lawrence was named the starter.

It’s time to shape up or ship out for Ewers. Sark didn’t recruit the portal and high school levels at an elite as he did to watch Ewers start slow against good defenses. 

True. But at no point was Kelly projected as the first qb taken or the heisman front runner

[Codaxx 5727]

2 minutes ago, Levi said:

Reminds me of Dabo with Kelly and Lawrence. Kelly needed to progress and show that he could lead a very talented team to a championship. Lawrence came along with not as much playing time as Arch but when he was on the field it became more obvious and almost inevitable. By week 4 Lawrence was named the starter.

It’s time to shape up or ship out for Ewers. Sark didn’t recruit the portal and high school levels at an elite as he did to watch Ewers start slow against good defenses. 

It reminds me more of Chuck Knoblach. Ewers has shown he can be elite. I don’t think anyone could have predicted this regression after coming off a minor injury. It’s like he had forgotten the lessons of the last 2.5 seasons 

[OU Sucks 8797]

35 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Yeah, this isn't really one where you need an expert to break it down.  It was pretty obvious what happened.  

The entire team, and coaching staff shit the bed.  

People point to the D playing well, but I didn't really see that either.  Almost zero pass rush, run defense was so-so, and receivers were open.  If not for Beck struggling with accuracy and the WRs dropping easy balls, this game would have been a blowout.

The D limited UGA to 285 total yards...that's the fewest yards on offense they've had all year except against UK, which was in the 260s.  They also had 3 picks.  And all of that was while having to trot out there every 4 minutes because the offense was inept and couldn't sustain any drives.

Yes, UGA had drops, but so did we.

Edited October 20 by OU Sucks

[tbone_ 14112]

It reminds me more of Chuck Knoblach. Ewers has shown he can be elite. I don’t think anyone could have predicted this regression after coming off a minor injury. It’s like he had forgotten the lessons of the last 2.5 seasons 

Quinn has issues for sure. But I wouldn’t go so far as to compare the motherfucker to a damn aggy. That’s just low. And uncalled for.

[hobbes2702 13029]

39 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Yeah, this isn't really one where you need an expert to break it down.  It was pretty obvious what happened.  

The entire team, and coaching staff shit the bed.  

People point to the D playing well, but I didn't really see that either.  Almost zero pass rush, run defense was so-so, and receivers were open.  If not for Beck struggling with accuracy and the WRs dropping easy balls, this game would have been a blowout.

The defense was awesome despite having to spend the whole first half on the field.