QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[B00M 6414]

1 hour ago, Bodowned said:

 

Ok, that’s impressive 

[LTtxfan 49148]

10 hours ago, MirrOlure said:

Ah, fuck it.    I’m giving myself a two week break from this shitfest

[Codaxx 5729]

1 minute ago, B00M said:

We cant consistently run the ball. Having a legitimate running game that opponents have to respect is what open up Sark’s offense. He always has thousand yard rushers for a reason. 

Texas definitely ran well enough vs Vandy. Texas ran for 3.8 vs Georgia that might have looked better, if Texas was able to stick with the run game. 

[LTtxfan 49148]

1 hour ago, Bodowned said:

 

Gotta get our OL playing better, improve the running game and pass protections -- that will help the Texas offense's downfield attack open up.  

[troph 24781]

36 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

One criticism of the Wr room is they seem to make 0 adjustments to the CB blitz. Dont see much reaction at all to it. 

one example - wingo didn't cut off his route, Ewers has no where to go (other routes were still developing) and is sacked. Wingo cuts off his route, 30+ yard catch and run.

the entire offense is out of sync, Ewers included.

Edited October 28 by troph

[perfectchaos007 6627]

2 hours ago, Bodowned said:

 

His completion % should be much higher and INTs thrown should be way lower given this context. 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

Some really good statistics and analysis of what Vandy did.

 

 

 

Edited October 28 by BurntOrange&White

[The Ace of Aces 5175]

36 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Gotta get our OL playing better, improve the running game and pass protections -- that will help the Texas offense's downfield attack open up.  

Is Ewers getting an arm transplant? That's what is needed to get a downfield passing attack. 

[Fondren & Main 6703]

Ewers has played crappy no doubt, but some of the stuff the line is doing is extremely concerning.  
 

I will also say this for Quinn.  Hitting Bolden late for a first down was pretty clutch and he made a play when we needed it big time.

 

I also need somebody to explain to me what holding actually is.  We seem to be the only team called for it and it is far less egregious than what our opponents do 95% of the time when they aren’t called.

[Derka 6159]

every dc on our schedule is watching the film of quinn and licking his chops. we’re going to be easier to game plan for than anyone else on their schedule as long as quinn is only capable of quick throws near the LOS and is still turnover/sack prone. 

[BabaYaga 15289]

1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said:

I also need somebody to explain to me what holding actually is.  We seem to be the only team called for it and it is far less egregious than what our opponents do 95% of the time when they aren’t called.

Every team holds.  Not every team can sell it consistently

[closetohumping 17437]

9 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Is Ewers getting an arm transplant? That's what is needed to get a downfield passing attack. 

Odd as arm strength was the one thing he has that is considered elite

[MrBig 5386]

14 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Is Ewers getting an arm transplant? That's what is needed to get a downfield passing attack. 

All we need to get the downfield passing attack going is the fastest guy in combine history, a second round WR draft pick, a 4th round TE pick, and a 6th round WR pick and Quinn will be back to looking like the stud he was last year. 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

All we need to get the downfield passing attack going is the fastest guy in combine history, a second round WR draft pick, a 4th round TE pick, and a 6th round WR pick and Quinn will be back to looking like the stud he was last year. 

Even with that the downfield passing attack sucked outside of 3 plays(2 bama touchdowns and a Mitchell ridiculous catch vs TCU)

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2937]

Am I taking crazy pills or did Quinn not have a 30 yd touchdown throw to DeAndre Moore this week? 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

Just now, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

Am I taking crazy pills or did Quinn not have a 30 yd touchdown throw to DeAndre Moore this week? 

27 yards but underthrown ball that Moore had to adjust but yes he have a long pass. That was his longest through air connection since the Michigan game to Bond(33 yards).

Edited October 28 by BurntOrange&White

[kevwun 15770]

It was technically 27 I think, but yes he did.

[kevwun 15770]

That throw was fine.  I am almost at the point of moving on to Arch, but that td pass was good.  If he threw most of his deep balls like that, there wouldn't be any issues.

[Skipper 6130]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Gotta get our OL playing better, improve the running game and pass protections -- that will help the Texas offense's downfield attack open up.  

Yep, it's hard to run the ball consistently when you are frequently behind the chains b/c of pre-snap penalties and/or holding calls.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

Just now, kevwun said:

That throw was fine.  I am almost at the point of moving on to Arch, but that td pass was good.  If he threw most of his deep balls like that, there wouldn't be any issues.

Throw was okay....but it made a wide open catch into a contested catch. 

This Pass should have been throw to the bottom of the V with moore catching it uncontested. Instead Moore starts slowing down at the 8-9 yard line to make the catch instead of just running underneath the pass.

He's basically come to a stop near here 

Contested catch that didn't need to be....

 

If ball is thrown anywhere in here Deandre moore makes an easy catch and is not touched

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LTtxfan 49148]

30 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I also need somebody to explain to me what holding actually is.  We seem to be the only team called for it and it is far less egregious than what our opponents do 95% of the time when they aren’t called.

Sec officials seeing a player taken to the ground and complaining have several times called holding... pretty lazy officiating.

Gunnar did not hold on penalty called against him. 

[Red Five 40847]

7 minutes ago, kevwun said:

That throw was fine.  I am almost at the point of moving on to Arch, but that td pass was good.  If he threw most of his deep balls like that, there wouldn't be any issues.

That throw was fine, and he was generally fine in the first half. Then in the second half he was 6-16 for 77 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. It's just going to be really hard to win games down the stretch and in the playoffs with this level of play.

[kevwun 15770]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Throw was okay....but it made a wide open catch into a contested catch. 

This Pass should have been throw to the bottom of the V with moore catching it uncontested. Instead Moore starts slowing down at the 8-9 yard line to make the catch instead of just running underneath the pass.

He's basically come to a stop near here 

Contested catch that didn't need to be....

 

If ball is thrown anywhere in here Deandre moore makes an easy catch and is not touched

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to pick on a bad deep throw, the one he threw towards the end of the game down the middle of the field is a much better choice.  It was a terrible pass.

[Josef Pwag 1738]

12 minutes ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

Am I taking crazy pills or did Quinn not have a 30 yd touchdown throw to DeAndre Moore this week? 

Based on the average depth of his pass attempts, you need to ask yourself, was that standard operating procedure for Quinn, or was that an anomaly?

[PTINS 3466]

15 hours ago, Thatguy said:

The penalties are from RBs constantly bouncing runs outside. Guys are holding jerseys inside the frame. RB runs outside. Guy tries to detach and in comes the flag. Both of these backs are trying to hit the home run. Run north and south and the penalties stop.

We would be better off taking a knee on 1st down, rather than handing off to a RB running parallel to the LOS and losing 3-4 yards. 

That NEVER works against OU and we did it repeatedly.

Same thing w/ Georgia and Vanderbilt, with the same results.

Forcing a running game with the remaining, smaller backs is Sark's biggest brain cramp.

Short passes in the flats has worked well, when coupled with a downfield passing offense.

When the majority of passes to the WR are in the flats, the defense collapses to the LOS and there is no place to catch and run.

QE is a 3rd year starter running the same offense, with one of the best WR rooms in the country, and he is playing more like a red-shirt freshman. Scoring 6 points w/ 77 yards passing in the second half against Vanderbilt is criminal.

If QE can not or will not throw to the middle of the field when it is vacated by blitzing LB and DB, the offense will stall, the defense will get worn down, and we will lose games we have no business losing.

Sark doing the slow pucker from "All Gas" to "Turtling Tom Herman" is the most disappointing thing, that he thinks he can win the SEC with half the play book going unused.

[Codaxx 5729]

8 minutes ago, kevwun said:

If you want to pick on a bad deep throw, the one he threw towards the end of the game down the middle of the field is a much better choice.  It was a terrible pass.

100%. There is better shit for the pro-Arch to come up with than a deep ball was throw a couple yards short, but catchable. Most deep shots are going to require some adjustment. I dont see the college numbers, but anything over 40% is elite in the NFL.

 

Next Gen Stats' top 10 NFL deep passers of 2022: Geno Smith, Tua Tagovailoa excel at airing it out

[Levi 2585]

19 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Sec officials seeing a player taken to the ground and complaining have several times called holding... pretty lazy officiating.

Gunnar did not hold on penalty called against him. 

There have been at least 3 holding calls on Gunnar that were him just dominating the defensive guy. The Vandy one being the most egregious call. 

[Codaxx 5729]

2 minutes ago, PTINS said:

We would be better off taking a knee on 1st down, rather than handing off to a RB running parallel to the LOS and losing 3-4 yards. 

That NEVER works against OU and we did it repeatedly.

Same thing w/ Georgia and Vanderbilt, with the same results.

Forcing a running game with the remaining, smaller backs is Sark's biggest brain cramp.

Short passes in the flats has worked well, when coupled with a downfield passing offense.

When the majority of passes to the WR are in the flats, the defense collapses to the LOS and there is no place to catch and run.

QE is a 3rd year starter running the same offense, with one of the best WR rooms in the country, and he is playing more like a red-shirt freshman. Scoring 6 points w/ 77 yards passing in the second half against Vanderbilt is criminal.

If QE can not or will not throw to the middle of the field when it is vacated by blitzing LB and DB, the offense will stall, the defense will get worn down, and we will lose games we have no business losing.

Sark doing the slow pucker from "All Gas" to "Turtling Tom Herman" is the most disappointing thing, that he thinks he can win the SEC with half the play book going unused.

I dont think Sark has a legitimate choice. You have to have some balance in the offense. I thought it was noticeable in the Vanderbilt game that Sark was committed to running, especially early (that is not usually a huge factor in his opening script). You can argue his best calls were the 2 runs on 3rd down (think 3rd 6 and 3rd and 9). I think Sark is doing the best he can to try and get Ewers to look like pre-injury Ewers. He was definitely trying to protect him and restore his confidence early in that Vandy game. 

[mwaadeeb 1209]

55 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I dont think Sark has a legitimate choice. You have to have some balance in the offense. I thought it was noticeable in the Vanderbilt game that Sark was committed to running, especially early (that is not usually a huge factor in his opening script). You can argue his best calls were the 2 runs on 3rd down (think 3rd 6 and 3rd and 9). I think Sark is doing the best he can to try and get Ewers to look like pre-injury Ewers. He was definitely trying to protect him and restore his confidence early in that Vandy game. 

Yep. We were all beginning to believe this was a great team two weeks ago. It's not. But it's a good 7-1 team that will very likely get it together and make a run, and if QE gets back in form we'll all be happy. Why people don't put their energy into that possibility instead of calling QE a pussy and the team fucked is a constant mystery, until I remember its called Surly for a reason and shake my head and go back to the recruiting board. 

[6th Street 6390]

6-16, 77 yards in the 2H with 6 total points. Great job!

[HRSchenker 2268]

I once predicted that Quinn would not get drafted but I could be talked into thinking he's a 6th or 7th round pick for a team looking to groom a starter down the road. He is absolutely not NFL material right now. Any team that drafts him to start him better get ready for a 2-3 win season. His best move would to be drafted by a team with an experienced and established guy like Mahomes or Jackson. Learn from the guy over the next 4 or 5 years and then be ready to take over. Very similar to what Green Bay did with Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love. 

[markstanco 12573]

"So QE, what do you like to do for fun?"

"I like to throw a lot of interceptions on the minus side of the field"

[6th Street 6390]

I think the biggest issue facing Quinn right now is that he's not good at football.

[closetohumping 17437]

[UTEE97 3515]

4 hours ago, Skipper said:

LOL.  There is not a single poster on this thread claiming "there is nothing wrong with how Quinn has been playing".  JFC

Ok, so you accept that he is not playing well? Isn't that a problem we should be worried about or do you think it's temporary?

[Atticus 3973]

He’s not wrong, but maybe people aren’t biting on the eye candy as much as they used to. Teams have always played us deep. 
 

Sark is also being nice to Quinn publically to protect his mental state. If Quinn shuts down mentally, the season could tank. 

Edited October 28 by Atticus

[t_eight 146]

Let's get to acceptance and shut this thread down....

[Skipper 6130]

10 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Ok, so you accept that he is not playing well? Isn't that a problem we should be worried about or do you think it's temporary?

I think he played just OK vs. OU, poorly vs. UGA and "good" (not to his standard) against Vandy.   I think pass pro, penalties, and run blocking are bigger issues than QB play (in that order) when it comes to fixing the offense.  I don't think it matters who is playing QB if that isn't cleaned up.  Good QB play could beat every team left on our schedule if we protect like we did against Michigan and clean up penalties

[Codaxx 5729]

13 minutes ago, Atticus said:

He’s not wrong, but maybe people aren’t biting on the eye candy as much as they used to. Teams have always played us deep. 
 

Sark is also being nice to Quinn publically to protect his mental state. If Quinn shuts down mentally, the season could tank. 

Its the latter.  Sark is making that a black and white question. There is a different between having your QB have the lowest ADOT in the P5 and going mad bomber. Even the intermediate game has largely disappeared. That offensive game plan isnt transferrable vs higher end defenses. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12182]

8 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You guys judge everything in a vacuum. Of course that's what he should've done in hindsight. We would all be perfect if we got to go back in time after seeing the test answers. However, he is going through progressions and we don't know what number Bolden is. If he was his first read then yes. What if he was his 3rd read? What matters is he got to the right guy. Also what matters is while he was scanning the field 65 is being pushed back in his lap. So he sidesteps him to the throwing window the LG created when he pancaked him and gets the ball out. Think about this. Dude picked up a 3rd and 20 and here we are bitching about how he could've done better. This is what happens when you hate a guy. Arch picks this up and you guys are cheering.

I don't know if you're being literal on Bolden's number or you're talking about it he's a first read, etc, but he's #11, I believe?

[MuellerHorn 4228]

8 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You guys judge everything in a vacuum. Of course that's what he should've done in hindsight. We would all be perfect if we got to go back in time after seeing the test answers. However, he is going through progressions and we don't know what number Bolden is. If he was his first read then yes. What if he was his 3rd read? What matters is he got to the right guy. Also what matters is while he was scanning the field 65 is being pushed back in his lap. So he sidesteps him to the throwing window the LG created when he pancaked him and gets the ball out. Think about this. Dude picked up a 3rd and 20 and here we are bitching about how he could've done better. This is what happens when you hate a guy. Arch picks this up and you guys are cheering.

 

6 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

I don't know if you're being literal on Bolden's number or you're talking about it he's a first read, etc, but he's #11, I believe?

@Thatguy was talking about which read in the pass progression Bolden was on that particular play. See what I bolded.

Edited October 28 by MuellerHorn

[Funk Doctor Spock 12182]

1 minute ago, MuellerHorn said:

 

@Thatguy was talking about which read in the pass progression Bolden was on that particular play. See what I bolded.

OK, that's why I put I wasn't sure. Appreciate the correction. 

[MuellerHorn 4228]

3 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

OK, that's why I put I wasn't sure. Appreciate the correction. 

Didn't meant to imply a "correction." Just helping explain the context.

Now, let's get this thread back to people bitching at each other.

[Had Enough 2079]

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Its the latter.  Sark is making that a black and white question. There is a different between having your QB have the lowest ADOT in the P5 and going mad bomber. Even the intermediate game has largely disappeared. That offensive game plan isnt transferrable vs higher end defenses. 

Yes, the focus on the long ball is only part of the equation. That’s 20 + air yards.  We’re not attacking that 10-19 yard range either.  Every pass coverage you run has weaknesses and none of them completely shut off 10 yards and beyond.  The closest would be man, and it sounds as though Vandy didn’t do that.  Not to mention no one has that many good cover guys.  Cover 2 sure isn’t taking everything away.  Neither is Cover 3.  4/6 whatever.  Good play callers know how to work them all.

The long pass to Moore versus OU, the TD to Helm versus UM  were off schedule plays so a portion of our big plays were not even play calls.
 

If Sark is protecting his QB, that’s fine.  I don’t blame him for trying the short stuff versus Vandy, but let’s not act as though 17 straight completions is some amazing feat versus that defense given the nature of those throws.  Many a college QB is completing 80-90% of those.  We scored so there’s no complaint.

The numbers can be parsed however but Wisner has a higher YPC than Baxter did last year.  After Brooks went down, it was Baxter/Blue versus Wisner/Blue this year.  From a sheer rushing standpoint, that shouldn’t be a significant decrease in production or ability.

And for the record, that average depth of target is not low because of Georgia or Vandy, it was sub-7 yards before that game.  Think it was 9.4 last year.  Pass pro can impact that but again no one was touching Ewers early in the season, and it was down 25%+ from the prior year.

All the offense can do better.  The defense is good enough.  The schedule is favorable enough.  Man for man do better.

[Hook1997 5351]

Listening to Rod Babers, he said in the last three weeks we are 127th in yards per completion….  

[Codaxx 5729]

9 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Yes, the focus on the long ball is only part of the equation. That’s 20 + air yards.  We’re not attacking that 10-19 yard range either.  Every pass coverage you run has weaknesses and none of them completely shut off 10 yards and beyond.  The closest would be man, and it sounds as though Vandy didn’t do that.  Not to mention no one has that many good cover guys.  Cover 2 sure isn’t taking everything away.  Neither is Cover 3.  4/6 whatever.  Good play callers know how to work them all.

The long pass to Moore versus OU, the TD to Helm versus UM  were off schedule plays so a portion of our big plays were not even play calls.
 

If Sark is protecting his QB, that’s fine.  I don’t blame him for trying the short stuff versus Vandy, but let’s not act as though 17 straight completions is some amazing feat versus that defense given the nature of those throws.  Many a college QB is completing 80-90% of those.  We scored so there’s no complaint.

The numbers can be parsed however but Wisner has a higher YPC than Baxter did last year.  After Brooks went down, it was Baxter/Blue versus Wisner/Blue this year.  From a sheer rushing standpoint, that shouldn’t be a significant decrease in production or ability.

And for the record, that average depth of target is not low because of Georgia or Vandy, it was sub-7 yards before that game.  Think it was 9.4 last year.  Pass pro can impact that but again no one was touching Ewers early in the season, and it was down 25%+ from the prior year.

All the offense can do better.  The defense is good enough.  The schedule is favorable enough.  Man for man do better.

Lot of talk how Baxter looked much better in camp, but we will never know. I am not sure Blue or Wisner are even 200 pounds and both listed at 6'. They just arent built to pound. That's one reason I would like to see more Gibson after the bye. Games like Georgia and A&M are going to require a back that can take and give some punishment. I typically dont love big RBs, but there is a time and place for them. 

I would also add that the play book looks a lot different when Arch is the QB. There is a lot of work for the offense during the bye week. 

Edited October 28 by Codaxx

[tvko23 82]

3 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

Based on the average depth of his pass attempts, you need to ask yourself, was that standard operating procedure for Quinn, or was that an anomaly?

He audibled into the route.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2822]

Yeah, with all the handwringing, I was handwringing about "why not more Gibson?".

[Codaxx 5729]

22 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Listening to Rod Babers, he said in the last three weeks we are 127th in yards per completion….  

I think that is the ADOT (average depth of target). Ewers is at 7.4 per attempt (65th) and Manning at 9.3.. Texas averages 12.35 per reception

[Hook1997 5351]

3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think that is the ADOT (average depth of target). Ewers is at 7.4 per attempt (65th) and Manning at 9.3.. Texas averages 12.35 per reception

No that’s the season.  This is the last three games only… how many teams are there 132?

Edited October 28 by Hook1997