QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Codaxx 5671]

6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Agree with all of this. I was just addressing the question of things Quinn can do that Arch can't (at least not yet). They are very clearly things Arch is just bad at right now. 

Really hard to tell. He brings a deep ball and running to the game. I also think he is excellent with his fakes and better in the pocket (despite trying to out run an NFL LB to the edge vs Georgia). Texas has become a team the attacks the edges under Quinn. Lot of OZ and passes to the flats. That isnt a great combination. Arch may help open up the run game. 

[UTEE97 3504]

1 hour ago, Both Tacos said:

I'm still on the fence on this one. Here is what it comes down to.

Are there things that Quinn does currently during a game that Arch can't? I haven't seen something yet that I would say "yep, Arch wouldn't be able to do that".

Are there things that Arch can do currently during a game that Quinn can't? I think we have seen enough scrambles and deep balls to know that Arch is much better in just those two categories.

To me, you put the best talent on the field at every position so I keep asking "Are the coaches seeing something in practices that we aren't and that is telling them they have a better chance at winning with Quinn?" 

 

As you referenced above, I'm sure there is a lot of Sark thinking that if he goes with Arch and fails, it will be thrown in his face that he should have just stuck with Quinn. So this may be the path of least resistance and he knows he will still have Arch and good talent next year.

Whether or not Arch is the better option right now is debatable. He is not clearly better. That was my point. Sark is no mercenary like Saban was, so he is unlikely to make these kinds of risky moves.

[Rex Kramer 1314]

1 hour ago, sith_horn said:

His best rifled throws are straight down the middle, typically to the TE but not always. We've seen it with JT and Gunner. Moore's dropped TD pass as well. I think it's because that throw is practiced with proper mechanics and really the only way to do it, but he tends to float them more when more towards the sidelines.

Laziness on his part and not an indication of arm strength. Sark’s schemes allow Quinn to be a one-read guy. There’s no way he can’t progress through his reads. He was doing that at Southlake.  He often doesn’t need to at Texas. I do agree with Simms that he holds onto the ball too long. Something is going on with him. But it’s not as simple as he can’t read a defense.  

[bluto 4901]

Is there an advanced stat that shows how inaccurate QE deep throws are in terms of yards from target. Just zero prayer of completion on the vast majority.  

[BlackCat 424]

At this point I’m just telling myself that Sark built this team with Ewers as the center point and leader, and the team is riding or dying with that formula. It seems clear to me that culturally, Sark finally has the team he wants, and he isn’t gonna mess with all of that as long as we are winning. By most accounts I’ve seen or heard, Quinn is a good dude and well liked by his teammates. If the team feels invested in his success, then that would explain Sark sticking with him despite having dicks for feet and abysmal pocket presence. 

[BurgleBro 787]

If Arkansas was hanging 3 safeties back regularly, what did they expect Q and Sark to do passing wise?

All things considered the dink dunk screen game was there and we used it effectively to open the run game and score when we needed.

Had we forced the issue down field that could have been a game breaking TO.

[Valmy77 13197]

12 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

At this point I’m just telling myself that Sark built this team with Ewers as the center point and leader, and the team is riding or dying with that formula. It seems clear to me that culturally, Sark finally has the team he wants, and he isn’t gonna mess with all of that as long as we are winning. By most accounts I’ve seen or heard, Quinn is a good dude and well liked by his teammates. If the team feels invested in his success, then that would explain Sark sticking with him despite having dicks for feet and abysmal pocket presence. 

Yep. Quinn is the starter and we are going as far as he can take us.

[6th Street 6368]

Medium range crossing routes were wide open on many occasions. Quinn refused to look past the first read or ended up eating it/self sacking. 

[Hook1997 5344]

23 minutes ago, bluto said:

Is there an advanced stat that shows how inaccurate QE deep throws are in terms of yards from target. Just zero prayer of completion on the vast majority.  

He was 98th in the country in passes over 20 yards last year.  Not sure this year but it’s worse.  

[Hook1997 5344]

24 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

If Arkansas was hanging 3 safeties back regularly, what did they expect Q and Sark to do passing wise?

All things considered the dink dunk screen game was there and we used it effectively to open the run game and score when we needed.

Had we forced the issue down field that could have been a game breaking TO.

A cross rout, slant, the many times someone was open in the middle of the field and he didn’t throw it to them and the deep balls he attempted to throw were open, safeties or not.  If we can’t figure out how to beat three safeties back against the worst pass defense in the sec, we’re screwed in the playoffs.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Hook1997

[TreatyOak 16252]

[Frank Drebin 5641]

2 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

A cross rout, slant, the many times someone was open in the middle of the field and he didn’t throw it to them and the deep balls he attempted to throw were open, safeties or not.  

He's good at intermediate routes.  He should throw a lot more of those.  And never throw deep again.

[Derka 6059]

2 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Maybe he's figured out we're a Defense first team. Don't turn the ball over and we're not losing.

what kind of college football championship team thinks or plays this way? none.  absolutely nobody is out here trying to be the trent dilfer ravens. nobody thinks that you can win a national title while hiding your quarterback.

again, when arch comes in/starts the game we’re bombing the ball down the field and calling a totally different game than when QE is in. its two totally different offenses. it’s beyond clear by now that our offensive game planning and play calling have been centered around quinn’s shortcomings. been that way for more than a year. 

[ryskey 447]

Doesn't happen every snap, but you can see where his brain starts to malfunction, like a program caught in an if loop.  Too much thinking, his body and brain out of sync with how the play is unfolding vs how he idealizes it in his brain.  It's like the instinct has been beat out of him.

I would say he should grow back his mullet, but that would take about a year.  Maybe he'll grow it back in time to impress his NFL coaches with Mullet Quinn after being drafted in the 4th or 5th round.

[HtownHorn 14623]

39 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

If Arkansas was hanging 3 safeties back regularly, what did they expect Q and Sark to do passing wise?

All things considered the dink dunk screen game was there and we used it effectively to open the run game and score when we needed.

Had we forced the issue down field that could have been a game breaking TO.

Hit that deep shot to Golden on the 1st drive because it was open and a TD, hit Golden down the sideline instead using a lob wedge and allowing the DB to break up the pass, throw to the pylon for Wingo instead of behind him where the DB is. Simple things that lead to points.

Edited 2 hours ago by HtownHorn

[Tired Horn 738]

3 hours ago, Zeus said:

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, see which fills up first.

Quinn needs to either get right or get healthy, and get back to where he was vs. Michigan, or Sark needs to play Manning. Quinn just can't do it right now, none of know exactly what is going on but there's times when he's holding back the team and obviously not giving us the best chance to win.

Just throw away another year when we should be winning the National Championship? No thanks.

 

"Hope in one hand and shit in the other, see which fills up first."

???  Is that supposed to be clever? I'll hope in my mind, like everyone does, and leave shitting in the hand to you. Hope you don't make a habit of it.

Seriously, though, I'd lose that retort. It's all kinds of stupid if you give it even a nanosecond of thought.

[Hank_Hill 18695]

1 hour ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

You need a QB who can run the ball in today's game.

You don’t. It’s helpful though 

[Zeus 6010]

13 minutes ago, Tired Horn said:

"Hope in one hand and shit in the other, see which fills up first."

???  Is that supposed to be clever? I'll hope in my mind, like everyone does, and leave shitting in the hand to you. Hope you don't make a habit of it.

Seriously, though, I'd lose that retort. It's all kinds of stupid if you give it even a nanosecond of thought.

 

[LTtxfan 49098]

If we don't win SEC, hopefully still a home game in the cfp playoffs... 🤘

 

[6th Street 6368]

Clown question

[South Austin 52297]

Just now, LTtxfan said:

If we don't win SEC, hopefully still a home game in the cfp playoffs... 🤘

 

What was Golden asking him?  The tweet says "was" Quinn Ewers' final game at Texas.  Is he talking about the Arkansas game, and implicitly asking if Arch is our starting QB for the rest of the season?  Or is he asking if this Saturday, our last home game of the regular season, will be Quinn's last game at DKR because he will be going pro or will transfer?  

[markstanco 12553]

4 hours ago, Red Five said:

He can. He just doesn't. 

Correct. I only had to watch the first 1:33 to find one.

 

[Tired Horn 738]

14 minutes ago, Zeus said:

 

Just because a line got written into a movie doesn't make it clever.

Again, I'd lose it. Even if I was Billy Bob Thornton. It only sounds clever if you turn your brain completely off.

[Hank_Hill 18695]

Jesus christ 

[derpyhorndog 2554]

16 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Correct. I only had to watch the first 1:33 to find one.

 

By far the best deep balls I saw were at 6:03 (best of the bunch), 6:31 and 10:40.

Know it's highlights, but QE showed good pocket presence on more plays here than I recall seeing throughout this season.

No surprise, but seemed like teams bit on (respected) the play action more than now.

 

[Scuba Saba 22]

For heaven's sake. QE is considering the possibility of returning to UT in 2025. Sark needs to have a come to Jesus talk with both QE and Arch. 

[Hookem10 674]

IF he comes back. I’m assuming sark opens competition up. No assurances that qe is starter and he’ll transfer out. If he annoints qe as starter and arch leaves……oh boy fuck that noise 

[South Austin 52297]

1 minute ago, Scuba Saba said:

For heaven's sake. QE is considering the possibility of returning to UT in 2025. Sark needs to have a come to Jesus talk with both QE and Arch. 

I think one of two things will happen:  (1) Sark has a meeting with both of them and tells them that there is open competition for the QB position in spring ball; or (2) Sark tells Quinn bluntly that the QB job next season is Arch's and that if Quinn wants to stay in college for his final year of eligibility he should transfer.

[jet black 195]

I doubt it even comes to that. Quinn’s NIL money here will dry up almost assuredly and it will sort itself out. 

[Scuba Saba 22]

Both good points. Remember we have some very good QB 2 and 3's right behind Arch. If they see QE back for 2025 we will have an exodus at that position.  

[Tortoise 2]

  Michael Irvin used to say that Aikman's passes kind of hung in the air for you to grab. Quinn throws a similar ball, easy for the RBs to catch. When Troy would throw deep he leaned back like an archer shooting an arrow, no change in his throwing motion at all, just changed the trajectory. Niether of them had great deep balls but I think QE will also find a way to work with it, he does get in streaks where he hits the deep routes.

[Hank_Hill 18695]

20 minutes ago, Scuba Saba said:

For heaven's sake. QE is considering the possibility of returning to UT in 2025. 

I mean, that quote doesn’t suggest that at all. We don’t know if this is Ewers last home game because he could play there again this season, the rest is just Golden stirring shit up.

[LTtxfan 49098]

1 hour ago, markstanco said:

Correct. I only had to watch the first 1:33 to find one.

 

Thanks for posting video...

damn Sark needs to have Ewers watch his good throws/plays from the past over and over and over again.

Then hopefully...

[tbone_ 14063]

  Niether of them had great deep balls

Uh, Troy Aikman did not throw 75% of his deep balls to nowhere in the vicinity of the receiver

[Atticus 3941]

3 hours ago, Codaxx said:

The offense would likely be different. Sark has talked about how Tau and Mac Jones had different offenses. Tau was predominantly RPO and Mac was predominantly play action. I do agree Arch is not as good on the short timing routes as Quinn. Quinn is typically elite in that area. Quinn struggles when teams take away the flats from him. The issue for Quinn is the consistency. This was the year we all assumed Quinn would play at a consistent level. Michigan sucked us in. He is still the same the QB. He struggles with deep balls, he is slow through his progressions, poor footwork, and bad pocket feel. I fell in love with the promise of Quinn's talent, but now the tape is starting to win me over. This just seems to be who Quinn is. Arch may be similar. We do not know for sure how he would progress in a game or over the several games. I would assume he improves. Texas fans are always hard on QBs. Freshmen Colt and Vince got a lot of heat from fans. I remember defending freshman Sam and Quinn. All of them improved, but only Quinn has needed to be defended as a 3rd year starter. 

Tua is actually the elite play action passer and Mac was the RPO assassin under Sark. 
 

Quinn was supposed to be elite at the RPOs, but he’s mostly just very good at them. When those are taken away from him, his effectiveness isn’t nearly as high. 
 

I believe Arch will be good at both, but he’ll likely be an elite play action guy. 

[dcar00 14100]

Did someone ask if Quinn was going to walk out for senior day or was it just Golden's bullshit question about last game?

[Dahobbs 17502]

1 hour ago, derpyhorndog said:

By far the best deep balls I saw were at 6:03 (best of the bunch), 6:31 and 10:40.

Know it's highlights, but QE showed good pocket presence on more plays here than I recall seeing throughout this season.

No surprise, but seemed like teams bit on (respected) the play action more than now.

 

His timing and anticipation was so much better in those clips than since coming back from his injury. We're also really missing those quick strikes to the middle of the field right now. Everything is just a beat slow and off kilter. Finally, his legs have disappeared as a factor. He seems stuck in mud compared to last year, not entirely sure why. 

[DreadHead 112]

1 hour ago, markstanco said:

Correct. I only had to watch the first 1:33 to find one.

 

I've not seen Quinn play that confident and loose since that game. He came in smiling and had a completely different attitude like he absolutely knew he was going to win that game. He was animated before game, during the game... just seemed like a different person and his playing showed. I'd love to see that Quinn again in these upcoming games.

[Codaxx 5671]

30 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Tua is actually the elite play action passer and Mac was the RPO assassin under Sark. 
 

Quinn was supposed to be elite at the RPOs, but he’s mostly just very good at them. When those are taken away from him, his effectiveness isn’t nearly as high. 
 

I believe Arch will be good at both, but he’ll likely be an elite play action guy. 

not sure it really matters, but Surly going Surly. 

 

Jones threw a higher percentage of passes in games viewed past the 10-yard mark than Tagovailoa with 85 attempts to Tua’s 78. This is most likely due to the higher volume of RPO’s with Tagovailoa taking snaps. Surprisingly, it was passing between the hashes that bothered Mac Jones.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tua-tagovailoa-mac-jones-better-alabama-qb-prospect/

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/1/22811214/tua-tagovailoa-rpo-offense-miami-dolphins

 

the point was Sark will adapt is offense to the strengths of his QBs. Given Arch's obvious deep ball ability, he is more suited to play-action shots than Ewers. That is not to say that Arch will not be great at RPOs. You could see the difference in the way Sark called games with Arch vs Ewers. Sark admitted he called too many deep shots in Arch's first start. He was probably giddy with the idea of having the deep ball back in his playbook. 

Edited 36 minutes ago by Codaxx

[jimmyjazz 45735]

2 hours ago, Derka said:

what kind of college football championship team thinks or plays this way? none.  absolutely nobody is out here trying to be the trent dilfer ravens. nobody thinks that you can win a national title while hiding your quarterback.

again, when arch comes in/starts the game we’re bombing the ball down the field and calling a totally different game than when QE is in. its two totally different offenses. it’s beyond clear by now that our offensive game planning and play calling have been centered around quinn’s shortcomings. been that way for more than a year. 

You should text Sark, because you've clearly cracked the code.

[Atticus 3941]

14 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

not sure it really matters, but Surly going Surly. 

 

Jones threw a higher percentage of passes in games viewed past the 10-yard mark than Tagovailoa with 85 attempts to Tua’s 78. This is most likely due to the higher volume of RPO’s with Tagovailoa taking snaps. Surprisingly, it was passing between the hashes that bothered Mac Jones.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tua-tagovailoa-mac-jones-better-alabama-qb-prospect/

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/1/22811214/tua-tagovailoa-rpo-offense-miami-dolphins

 

the point was Sark will adapt is offense to the strengths of his QBs. Given Arch's obvious deep ball ability, he is more suited to play-action shots than Ewers. That is not to say that Arch will not be great at RPOs. You could see the difference in the way Sark called games with Arch vs Ewers. Sark admitted he called too many deep shots in Arch's first start. He was probably giddy with the idea of having the deep ball back in his playbook. 

Not gonna derail the thread, but Sark actually said exactly what I did at one point when comparing Tua and Mac.  
 

Quinn doesn’t seem to have the same level of mastery in this offense as those guys though

[jimmyjazz 45735]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I think one of two things will happen:  (1) Sark has a meeting with both of them and tells them that there is open competition for the QB position in spring ball; or (2) Sark tells Quinn bluntly that the QB job next season is Arch's and that if Quinn wants to stay in college for his final year of eligibility he should transfer.

I think those are the two most likely scenarios.  No way Sark promises the job to Quinn, with the possible exception of a national title this year (and in my opinion not even then.)

[Hank Kingsley 20867]

Zero chance Quinn plays at Texas next year. Stop. 

[perfectchaos007 6607]

41 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Did someone ask if Quinn was going to walk out for senior day or was it just Golden's bullshit question about last game?

Maaan this thread Saturday if Quinn doesn’t walk out with the seniors on senior day would break surly. I almost hope it happens 

[jimmyjazz 45735]

1 minute ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Maaan this thread Saturday if Quinn doesn’t walk out with the seniors on senior day would break surly. I almost hope it happens 

I'm kinda with you on that.  I think it's a character flaw.  Sue me.

[Atticus 3941]

@Codaxx

Not that it matters, but I found the quote and I had it backwards.