QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Derka 6087]

13 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Chris Simms did the same thing - had crazy tunnel vision and locked onto receivers. Repeatedly blown out by OU with 0 TDs and 12 INTs and benched in his only big 12 championship game 

making him the expert in this field.

[Thatguy 8651]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

too lazy to go back and find my post in the Texas v ark thread, but I pulled out 2 looks that Ark ran vs Tenn that I thought Texas would see in the game. 

1 was the 3 high look. They gave Tenn the run much of the game and completely shut down the passing game. RB had about as many yards rushing as Nico had passing. I am sure you saw that, if you looked to crop out some look from the game 

The other look was a 7 man pressure, where they dropped 2. 

 

Yes I saw that. They ran some 3 high usually in long yardage situations or vs 11 personnel, but not against heavy run packages. With us they stayed in 3 high with 3 man fronts pretty much the entire game no matter if we trotted Helm and Davis out there in 12 personnel or not. They were determined to keep our passing game in check and completely ignored our running game. It's a pretty consistent theme with us. I know you know that.

[Slacks 6815]

8 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Yes I saw that. They ran some 3 high usually in long yardage situations or vs 11 personnel, but not against heavy run packages. With us they stayed in 3 high with 3 man fronts pretty much the entire game no matter if we trotted Helm and Davis out there in 12 personnel or not. They were determined to keep our passing game in check and completely ignored our running game. It's a pretty consistent theme with us. I know you know that.

Ok. Now we're talking.

What I've noticed is defenses are willing to take a chance with our crazy running game where we ask the C or G to pull and reach a LB that is way faster and has seen film, so isn't guessing. We miss a lot of blocks.

The running game is good enough, but not consistent enough, for teams to have to commit to it. 

Similarly, the deep ball game is not consistent at all unless a player is WIDE TF OPEN. So teams try to eliminate wide open free receivers deep. 

Where does Quinn operate best? Medium range, so put 5 players in the middle and try to decrease his effectiveness there. 

If nothing else, defenses are trying to force perfection (or, at least, hope the offense makes a mistake before the defense does.)

Minimize the potential of the weapons.

 

[Slacks 6815]

Oh, and the pass to Helm was poorly thrown, but catchable.

If a receiver can touch it, it's catchable. It can be both.

Just like both of y'all some hoes.

[Dahobbs 17505]

7 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Oh, and the pass to Helm was poorly thrown, but catchable.

If a receiver can touch it, it's catchable. It can be both.

Just like both of y'all some hoes.

Which one? The missed slant in the redzone (not catchable) or the one at his feet along the sideline (miracle catchable)? To be fair, he did drop a perfect pass too. 

[BurntEyes 5924]

11 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

I swear you might be Quinn Ewers….  Does the fact he was 98th in passes over 20 yards last year and worse this year resonates with you at all. 10 plus is not great either.   Or is it all someone else’s fault because the RB, the oline, the weather, ect aren’t perfect?   I’m not close to as against him as you are for him no matter what.  

@Thatguy reps Quinn or works for people that do. 

[WinningIsHard 4031]

16 hours ago, Tortoise said:

  Michael Irvin used to say that Aikman's passes kind of hung in the air for you to grab. Quinn throws a similar ball, easy for the RBs to catch. When Troy would throw deep he leaned back like an archer shooting an arrow, no change in his throwing motion at all, just changed the trajectory. Niether of them had great deep balls but I think QE will also find a way to work with it, he does get in streaks where he hits the deep routes.

I noticed this is your first post, I don't know if you have been lurking here for a while or if you're a BO&W sock but....

[Hook1997 5349]

11 hours ago, Thatguy said:

It's not about being for him or against him. It's simply understanding what you are looking at and how matchups work. You guys heard he was the highest rated QB recruit ever and bought into that shit. Now you are disappointed every week the dude trots out on the field expecting him to be something he isn't. Had you seen him as the unathletic player he is you wouldn't be here crying every week. Why isn't there 85 pages of how shitty Card was? Because he wasn't a 99 recruit rating. Your disappointment is your own fault. Quit getting mad at me because dude doesn't live up to your lofty expectations. 

You've been looking at this kid for 3 years now and are still pissed that he can't run, gets hurt easily, and the line has to keep him clean in able for him to perform. Why haven't you accepted his short comings and moved on? Tom Brady was a statue in his time and didn't have the arm other QBs did. So they gave him a great line and built an offense around him based on the short passing game.

Dude had a mediocre game with no turnovers but yall are here bitching like he threw 3 picks and we lost.

Because Card wasn't our starter for more than a few games maybe?   Tom Brady made decisions quickly, could read defenses and could complete downfield passes at a rate better than 20%, that comparison is asinine.  He's had a three year career of throwing downfield bad but all you remember is one game vs Bama.  For some reason because they ran three safeties to you means it’s ok he can’t complete any passes downfield, even though the ones he tried to throw the receivers were open and he missed them?

[Codaxx 5698]

16 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Because Card wasn't our starter for more than a few games maybe?   Tom Brady made decisions quickly, could read defenses and could complete downfield passes at a rate better than 20%, that comparison is asinine.  He's had a three year career of throwing downfield bad but all you remember is one game vs Bama.  For some reason because they ran three safeties to you means it’s ok he can’t complete any passes downfield, even though the ones he tried to throw the receivers were open and he missed them?

its simple. Texas has a NC caliber team, and the starting QB is currently ranked 13th among SEC QBs by PFF. Nobody cares if a QB sucks on a 5-7 team. They tend to get pissy when the QB appears to be the biggest liability to winning a NC

Edited 3 hours ago by Codaxx

[Thatguy 8651]

3 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Because Card wasn't our starter for more than a few games maybe?   Tom Brady made decisions quickly, could read defenses and could complete downfield passes at a rate better than 20%, that comparison is asinine.  He's had a three year career of throwing downfield bad but all you remember is one game vs Bama.  For some reason because they ran three safeties to you means it’s ok he can’t complete any passes downfield, even though the ones he tried to throw the receivers were open and he missed them?

Outside of that same deep post he always misses what deep ball did he "miss" vs Pig? I saw a few the DBs made plays on two and one that was absolutely a PI. Now ask yourself why they made plays on them. Because they were 3 safeties across, ignoring the run game by playing a 3 man front and dropping 8. Most teams see that and bully them in the run game to get them out of that. We tried and they stayed in it.

Also, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick because people thought of him what you think of Ewers. We forget how he started out.

[B00M 6397]

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Outside of that same deep post he always misses what deep ball did he "miss" vs Pig? I saw a few the DBs made plays on two and one that was absolutely a PI. Now ask yourself why they made plays on them. Because they were 3 safeties across, ignoring the run game by playing a 3 man front and dropping 8. Most teams see that and bully them in the run game to get them out of that. We tried and they stayed in it.

Also, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick because people thought of him what you think of Ewers. We forget how he started out.

I thought 2 of Ewers deep throws in that game had far too much touch on them. The receivers were open but the ball took too long to arrive. For a guy that can supposedly make all the throws, we never get to see the velo. 

[Hook1997 5349]

Just now, Thatguy said:

Outside of that same deep post he always misses what deep ball did he "miss" vs Pig? I saw a few the DBs made plays on two and one that was absolutely a PI. Now ask yourself why they made plays on them. Because they were 3 safeties across, ignoring the run game by playing a 3 man front and dropping 8. Most teams see that and bully them in the run game to get them out of that. We tried and they stayed in it.

Also, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick because people thought of him what you think of Ewers. We forget how he started out.

It was a PI because he horribly under threw it…. It was a td with a good pass.  If they are that deep maybe hit the receivers that were open in the middle of the field all game?  Also the ones the DB’s made plays on is because it was a bad pass that was floating instead of having an easy completion with some zip on it….  Do you call your son Quinn or do you have a cool nickname for him?

[Thatguy 8651]

Just now, B00M said:

I thought 2 of Ewers deep throws in that game had far too much touch on them. The receivers were open but the ball took too long to arrive. For a guy that can supposedly make all the throws, we never get to see the velo. 

And that is correct but those aren't misses. Ball was there but the DB just made a play on them. We aren't even talking abut those if they don't have 3 safeties on the field. Two safeties and the DB isn't close enough to make a break on them. Touchdown.

[Hank Kingsley 20891]

Wow,  didn't realize that if a defense plays 3 high that you have to automatically shut down the deep passing game. Great adjustment by Arkansas, too bad we're not allowed to make adjustments and just have to accept that we can't throw deep. Hopefully no one else runs 3 high against us! 

[Derka 6087]

20 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

its simple. Texas has a NC caliber team, and the starting QB is currently ranked 13th among SEC QBs by PFF. Nobody cares if a QB sucks on a 5-7 team. They tend to get pissy when the QB appears to be the biggest liability to winning a NC

the AP has been naming a national champion for 88 years now, and we’ve won four of them. four. we’ve won once since 1970. we have an all time Texas defense, the best offensive/qb coach in the country, arguably the best group of pass catchers in the country, multiple nfl o linemen, and then a QB who plays like a scared 3rd string backup who can only handle one-read routes and swing passes. his limitations irrefutably hold back the rest of our offense and the rest of our national championship caliber team.

it is just baffling that so many people not only defend him, but basically absolve him of any blame for his own shortcomings and failures. like yeah, it’s totally steve sarkisian, kelvin banks, gunnar helm, and matthew golden’s fault that we can’t move the ball or score points. give me a break.

Edited 3 hours ago by Derka

[Derka 6087]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Wow,  didn't realize that if a defense plays 3 high that you have to automatically shut down the deep passing game. Great adjustment by Arkansas, too bad we're not allowed to make adjustments and just have to accept that we can't throw deep. Hopefully no one else runs 3 high against us! 

yeah it’s kind of like blitzing in postseason bowl games. i mean we all wish you could do it, but you just can’t.

[Hank Kingsley 20891]

Sark absolutely deserves criticism too. 

[Gene Parmesan 3996]

4 minutes ago, B00M said:

I thought 2 of Ewers deep throws in that game had far too much touch on them. The receivers were open but the ball took too long to arrive. For a guy that can supposedly make all the throws, we never get to see the velo. 

When I read arm talent next to Ewers, I keep saying to myself I don't get it.  Everyone says he has those throws in his arsenal, but what's the difference.  If he has it but doesn't know when to use it, that's the same as not having it.  He may be able to throw the ball a mile, but he would put so much air on it that a defensive lineman could make it back there to defend it.

[Pam Cummings 9618]

13 minutes ago, B00M said:

I thought 2 of Ewers deep throws in that game had far too much touch on them. The receivers were open but the ball took too long to arrive. For a guy that can supposedly make all the throws, we never get to see the velo. 

This is a valid criticism. The first missed TD to Golden. A few other throws. The window is there and the ball gets there a half second late. Those need more mustard or to be thrown sooner.

[Derka 6087]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Sark absolutely deserves criticism too. 

the biggest criticism he deserves is for sticking with QE during the georgia game. on game days sark is winning us games and scoring us points more than any play caller in UT history. sark has set our offense up to be in a position to win every game (save UGA) by multiple TDs if quinn weren’t so inaccurate and poor in the pocket. our schemes, as limited as they are, have been working. the plays have been there, our qb just hasn’t made many of them.

Edited 3 hours ago by Derka

[Thatguy 8651]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Wow,  didn't realize that if a defense plays 3 high that you have to automatically shut down the deep passing game. Great adjustment by Arkansas, too bad we're not allowed to make adjustments and just have to accept that we can't throw deep. Hopefully no one else runs 3 high against us! 

You know what the adjustment is to 3 high safeties? Running the football until they stop it.

[Codaxx 5698]

11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know what the adjustment is to 3 high safeties? Running the football until they stop it.

That thinking is exactly why Iowa State used to beat Tom Herman's ass. They continually had one of the best rush defenses in the Big 12. The 3 deep can be passed on, that is how teams beat ISU defenses. Problem is people look at the pre-snap look and do not look at what the defenses moves into. Its generally a cover 2 or cover 3. Not always a drop 8 look. You can bring pressure out of it. Best way to attack it is go extreme. Hard to disguise your looks vs empty or Sark used to go with the 6 OL look to run. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Codaxx

[jet black 203]

1 hour ago, Slacks said:

Ok. Now we're talking.

What I've noticed is defenses are willing to take a chance with our crazy running game where we ask the C or G to pull and reach a LB that is way faster and has seen film, so isn't guessing. We miss a lot of blocks.

The running game is good enough, but not consistent enough, for teams to have to commit to it. 

Similarly, the deep ball game is not consistent at all unless a player is WIDE TF OPEN. So teams try to eliminate wide open free receivers deep. 

Where does Quinn operate best? Medium range, so put 5 players in the middle and try to decrease his effectiveness there. 

If nothing else, defenses are trying to force perfection (or, at least, hope the offense makes a mistake before the defense does.)

Minimize the potential of the weapons.

 

This is what I’ve been thinking. They aren’t playing 3 safeties to take away the deep ball so to speak. Why would they. They are just trying to confuse Quinn by moving a bunch of guys around in the middle of the field and it’s working. You don’t even have to cover that well, just confuse him and he’ll hold onto the ball. 

[jimmyjazz 45804]

2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Chris Simms did the same thing - had crazy tunnel vision and locked onto receivers.

That's what cracked me up about that video (and I was a Simms fan).

[Hank Kingsley 20891]

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

You know what the adjustment is to 3 high safeties? Running the football until they stop it.

Teams aren't running 3 high because they are scared of the deep ball against us. They are running it because with that look they know Quinn will  become Checkdown Charlie 90% of the time, and since Sark hasn't put enough emphasis on the running game they are not overly concerned about it.  That's the game plan against us. Defense plays everything in front of them, bend don't break, hope to force a turnover or FG. 

They were in 3 high on first drive when Quinn missed an open Golden for a touchdown. Just because we don't have the "numbers" doesn't mean opportunities aren't there, particularly vs. a shitty secondary like Ark. It's ok for Texas to force the issue. 

 

 

 

[kevwun 15737]

Reading this thread could cause syphilis.

[B00M 6397]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Teams aren't running 3 high because they are scared of the deep ball against us. They are running it because with that look they know Quinn will  become Checkdown Charlie 90% of the time, and since Sark hasn't put enough emphasis on the running game they are not overly concerned about it.  That's the game plan against us. Defense plays everything in front of them, bend don't break, hope to force a turnover or FG. 

 

Or wait for the drive killing hold that occurs when one of our backs bounces what should be an inside run. 

[Thatguy 8651]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That thinking is exactly why Iowa State used to beat Tom Herman's ass. They continually had one of the best rush defenses in the Big 12. The 3 deep can be passed on, that is how teams beat ISU defenses. Problem is people look at the pre-snap look and do not look at what the move into. Its generally a cover 2 or cover 3. Not always a drop 8 look. Best way to attack it is go extreme. Hard to disguise your looks vs empty or Sark used to go with the 6 OL look to run. 

Technically the 6 Oline package was just 12 personnel with a really good blocker. Our problem is we aren't very good blocking out of 12 personnel so we can't force teams out of 3 high. We are currently number 64 in the country and 8th in the SEC in rushing despite seeing light boxes every week. People keep saying we run fine but we are doing exactly what teams want us to do. They know that our running game is inconsistent and we will suffer a negative play somewhere in the drive and they can then take advantage of.

[Hook1997 5349]

17 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know what the adjustment is to 3 high safeties? Running the football until they stop it.

Or your qb hits open guys all day in the middle of the field…….  Just an idea.  

[Thatguy 8651]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Teams aren't running 3 high because they are scared of the deep ball against us. They are running it because with that look they know Quinn will  become Checkdown Charlie 90% of the time, and since Sark hasn't put enough emphasis on the running game they are not overly concerned about it.  That's the game plan against us. Defense plays everything in front of them, bend don't break, hope to force a turnover or FG. 

They were in 3 high on first drive when Quinn missed an open Golden for a touchdown. Just because we don't have the "numbers" doesn't mean opportunities aren't there, particularly vs. a shitty secondary like Ark. It's ok for Texas to force the issue. 

 

 

 

Says "Teams aren't running 3 high because they are scared of the deep ball against us They are running it because with that look they know Quinn will  become Checkdown Charlie 90% of the time" then follows that up by citing a play where the fact that they were in 3 high is why they were able to bat a deep ball away that would've hit Golden square in the hands. lol.

3 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Or your qb hits open guys all day in the middle of the field…….  Just an idea.  

Did you see us running a bunch of intermediate middle of the field routes?

[Fondren & Main 6683]

44 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

its simple. Texas has a NC caliber team, and the starting QB is currently ranked 13th among SEC QBs by PFF. Nobody cares if a QB sucks on a 5-7 team. They tend to get pissy when the QB appears to be the biggest liability to winning a NC

4-6 Kentucky fan is ready to start their true freshman QB.  They’re done with the Georgia reject.

[Hank Kingsley 20891]

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Says "Teams aren't running 3 high because they are scared of the deep ball against us They are running it because with that look they know Quinn will  become Checkdown Charlie 90% of the time" then follows that up by citing a play where the fact that they were in 3 high is why they were able to bat a deep ball away that would've hit Golden square in the hands. lol.

That ball was late. Amazing you can't see this stuff. 

 

[Armybrat 40788]

8 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Reading this thread could cause syphilis.

What do you mean “could”?

[Fondren & Main 6683]

7 minutes ago, B00M said:

Or wait for the drive killing hold that occurs when one of our backs bounces what should be an inside run. 

No kidding this has been a much bigger detriment than Quinn.  When we should be 3rd and 6 we are now 3rd and Orlando.  When teams get us in 3rd and Orlando they make us pay.

[Codaxx 5698]

7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Technically the 6 Oline package was just 12 personnel with a really good blocker. Our problem is we aren't very good blocking out of 12 personnel so we can't force teams out of 3 high. We are currently number 64 in the country and 8th in the SEC in rushing despite seeing light boxes every week. People keep saying we run fine but we are doing exactly what teams want us to do. They know that our running game is inconsistent and we will suffer a negative play somewhere in the drive and they can then take advantage of.

Arkansas gave up 850 passing yard the 2 prior games. They held DB tryouts in the off-weak. You think passing the ball vs Ark is what they wanted Texas to do? Again running the football is not the only way to beat that look. 5 years of watching ISU should make that apparent

Edited 3 hours ago by Codaxx

[Skipper 6116]

2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Chris Simms did the same thing - had crazy tunnel vision and locked onto receivers. Repeatedly blown out by OU with 0 TDs and 12 INTs and benched in his only big 12 championship game 

Simms was never even close to being 'blown out' by OU as a starter despite the cultists revisionist history but I digress.  I think Simms is a pretty decent comparison to Ewers in that their highs were really high but not consistent.   One massive difference is that Simms had to deal with a fucking Mack Brown/Greg Davis gameplan (against OU in particular) and was handcuffed frequently by conservative and uncreative play calling despite all the talent around him.   There are times we can nit pick Sark play calling but on the whole it is light years difference then the scheme from 99-04 when we just out talented teams to win games but couldn't scheme for shit.  Now our scheme is usually there (only game this season probably outs chemed was UGA in my mind).  When Quinn is off or hesitant, there are plays to be made and he's just not making them consistently.   Again, he didn't have a "bad" game against Arkansas but an above average game from the standard of a 'good' D1 QB and that game is never within 2 TD's in the 2nd half.  A good to great game by Quinn standards and we probably flat blow them out the way our D was playing.

[Thatguy 8651]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

That ball was late. Amazing you can't see this stuff. 

 

Everyone can see that. Everyone can also see how tight a window it was because they dropped 8 defenders and had 3 safeties. Throw had to be perfect.

[Hook1997 5349]

9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Says "Teams aren't running 3 high because they are scared of the deep ball against us They are running it because with that look they know Quinn will  become Checkdown Charlie 90% of the time" then follows that up by citing a play where the fact that they were in 3 high is why they were able to bat a deep ball away that would've hit Golden square in the hands. lol.

Did you see us running a bunch of intermediate middle of the field routes?

There’s been plenty of examples posted in this thread already with pictures of guys wide open in the middle of the field….  If it’s not Helm open in the middle it’s like he can’t see them at all.  Quinn is just not close to great, it’s that simple.  He's Sam Ehlinger without the heart and toughness. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Hook1997

[Thatguy 8651]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Arkansas gave up 850 passing yard the 2 prior games. They held DB tryouts in the off-weak. You think passing the ball vs Ark is what they wanted Texas to do? Again running the football is not the only way to beat that look. 5 years of watching ISU should make that apparent

Let me know when we run 11 personnel or 5 wide all game and not 50% 12 personnel. Get mad at Sark for not spreading it out and taking advantage of one v ones.

[Hank Kingsley 20891]

Just now, Thatguy said:

Everyone can see that. Everyone can also see how tight a window it was because they dropped 8 defenders and had 3 safeties. Throw had to be perfect.

I just realized we are talking about different plays. The pass that was batted down by Arkansas DB was late. 

My original comment was about this play. 

 

[Codaxx 5698]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I just realized we are talking about different plays. The pass that was batted down by Arkansas DB was late. 

My original comment was about this play. 

 

this was exactly my point. You have "experts" saying "its 3 high, you cant throw it deep". Arkansas brought 5 rushers on this play. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Codaxx

[Thatguy 8651]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I just realized we are talking about different plays. The pass that was batted down by Arkansas DB was late. 

My original comment was about this play. 

 

Yeah that dude CANNOT hit a deep post to save his life and this route combo we run a bazillion times a game. He misses it every time and Sark calls it over and over. He cannot make this throw. The few times we've completed it the receiver turned vertical to run under it. Not sure why we are still calling it but here we are. It doesn't fit his eye but Sark is extremely stubborn about it.

[Hank Kingsley 20891]

Just now, Thatguy said:

Yeah that dude CANNOT hit a deep post to save his life and this route combo we run a bazillion times a game. He misses it every time and Sark calls it over and over. He cannot make this throw. The few times we've completed it the receiver turned vertical to run under it. Not sure why we are still calling it but here we are. It doesn't fit his eye but Sark is extremely stubborn about it.

I too would be stubborn about calling touchdown plays. 

 

[Nivek 16908]

23 minutes ago, Derka said:

the biggest criticism he deserves is for sticking with QE during the georgia game. on game days sark is winning us games and scoring us points more than any play caller in UT history. sark has set our offense up to be in a position to win every game (save UGA) by multiple TDs if quinn weren’t so inaccurate and poor in the pocket. our schemes, as limited as they are, have been working. the plays have been there, our qb just hasn’t made many of them.

Know how I know you didn't watch the game?

 

28 minutes ago, Derka said:

it is just baffling that so many people not only defend him, but basically absolve him of any blame for his own shortcomings and failures. like yeah, it’s totally steve sarkisian, kelvin banks, gunnar helm, and matthew golden’s fault that we can’t move the ball or score points. give me a break.

Quinn has limitations for sure.  I have a belief (subject to change) that he does better when he doesn't try to think so much.   But Cam Williams getting pushed around and playing like sophomore Chris Jones (self-tackling, missing blocks, and not making contact with the defense is a real problem.  The offensive line shouldn't be falling for stunts and committing multiple false starts either.   Golden seems to be playing well, Bolden is highly motivated and had a judgement lapse, but gives so much effort it is easy to overlook.   We are missing Baxter, and I am not sure what is going on with the sudden bout of fumbles from our backs.   The issue is that the QB gets a shit load of blame and a shit load of credit.  Both binary perspectives are stupid and lazy.   A receiver adjusting to the ball is their job.   

 

Lastly, I tend to think that Sark is not really trying to gamble or go aggressive early depending on what he is seeing.   Since Arky's offense was largely impotent vs the Texas Defense, my guess is that Sark was content to just run the clock, make some throws here and there, take few risks, and take it easy.  When Arkansas scored and started to make it close, Texas immediately responded and scored pretty easily, then went back into cruise control.   I really do not think Michigan/Florida et al. made significant half-time adjustments to limit Texas' offense.   But that is just my interpretation, I could be wrong.

 

 

[B00M 6397]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Everyone can see that. Everyone can also see how tight a window it was because they dropped 8 defenders and had 3 safeties. Throw had to be perfect.

Was it that tight of a window? Watching Georgia-Tenn that night, lowly Beck made Quinn’s arm look weak as fuck. QE’s lack of throwing power COMBINED with his lack of down field accuracy leaves him with no confidence to just let it rip. I’ll be surprised if he volunteers for velo testing at the combine. Failing to break 50 mph would definitely raise eyebrows for a guy that can “make all the throws” 

[Thatguy 8651]

6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

this was exactly my point. You have "experts" saying "its 3 high, you cant throw it deep". Arkansas brought 5 rushers on this play. 

Are we really arguing whether it's harder to throw deep vs 3 safeties over 2 safeties? Lol. Seems self explanatory.

[mwaadeeb 1192]

24 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

There’s been plenty of examples posted in this thread already with pictures of guys wide open in the middle of the field….  If it’s not Helm open in the middle it’s like he can’t see them at all.  Quinn is just not close to great, it’s that simple.  He's Sam Ehlinger without the heart and toughness. 

How do you feed yourself? Do you have a live-in assistant?

[Thatguy 8651]

1 minute ago, B00M said:

Was it that tight of a window? Watching Georgia-Tenn that night, lowly Beck made Quinn’s arm look weak as fuck. QE’s lack of throwing power COMBINED with his lack of down field accuracy leaves him with no confidence to just let it rip. I’ll be surprised if he volunteers for velo testing at the combine. Failing to break 50 mph would definitely raise eyebrows for a guy that can “make all the throws” 

Again. You are voicing your own personnel expectations based on what some 9.95ers told you. So if you are upset about his throwing velocity then that is on you. I have never seen him rifle balls and so I don't expect him to. He throws the way he throws.

Also, Beck threw for 347 vs Tenn and looked like a whole new man. Like all those interceptions were behind him right? Wanna know why? Tenn pretty much plays straight bump and run man coverage. No confusing zone schemes. Perfect for a QB who struggles reading defenses but is otherwise a solid passer. Wait til he faces another good zone team.

[Codaxx 5698]

10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Are we really arguing whether it's harder to throw deep vs 3 safeties over 2 safeties? Lol. Seems self explanatory.

Arkansas has 5 rushers and 6 players dropping into coverage. That is easier to throw on than the typical 4 rushers and 7 players dropping back. You are just spitting out BS to defend Ewers at any cost, without even thinking. 

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8 minutes ago, B00M said:

Was it that tight of a window? Watching Georgia-Tenn that night, lowly Beck made Quinn’s arm look weak as fuck. QE’s lack of throwing power COMBINED with his lack of down field accuracy leaves him with no confidence to just let it rip. I’ll be surprised if he volunteers for velo testing at the combine. Failing to break 50 mph would definitely raise eyebrows for a guy that can “make all the throws” 

This is a crazy take. The only passes Beck was completing consistently were hitting his TE on seem routes up the middle, which for some unknow reason Ten refused to cover/help on.

QE's arm is elite. The throw to Wingo that people in this thread are bashing him on.... was a arguably the hardest throw an NFL QB can make (opposite hash 20-25 yard downfield out), and he was just slightly late with that ball.

Are there times when he needs to put more juice on the ball, for sure. But to act like he can't, just because he can routinely make throws that other guys have to put there whole body into is a wild take. I would argue that a partially source for a lot of angst against Quinn. His arm is elite enough for him to make "good enough" or close to good enough throws without proper footwork and mechanics.