QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Thatguy 8654]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Arkansas has 5 rushers and 6 players dropping into coverage. That is easier to throw on than the typical 4 rushers and 7 players dropping back. Your just spitting out BS to defend Ewers at any cost, without even thinking. 

I m not defending that throw. Ewers always misses that deep post. He cannot throw it and I've said it over and over again. He throws it vertical every time.

[Fico 1774]

5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Arkansas has 5 rushers and 6 players dropping into coverage. That is easier to throw on than the typical 4 rushers and 7 players dropping back. 

Why do you say/think this?

 

[Codaxx 5703]

15 minutes ago, Fico said:

Why do you say/think this?

 

This all started based on people saying you cannot throw when teams show a 3 high shell pre-snap. I said what they do after the pre-snap look is more important. In theory it is easier to throw vs 6 defenders dropping back vs 7 defenders typically (assuming you pick up the blitz, which happened). 1 less defender should equal more space. The point is not to be fooled by pre-snap looks. I believe Quinn struggles vs the 3 high, because he is slow to make post-snap reads (3 high makes it easier to disguise coverages). He excels when he has a clean pre-snap read. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Codaxx

[B00M 6400]

3 minutes ago, Fico said:

QE's arm is elite. The throw to Wingo that people in this thread are bashing him on.... was a arguably the hardest throw an NFL QB can make (opposite hash 20-25 yard downfield out), and he was just slightly late with that ball.

Are there times when he needs to put more juice on the ball, for sure. But to act like he can't, just because he can routinely make throws that other guys have to put there whole body into is a wild take.

I feel like you argued my point while calling it crazy. If he can throw hard, when has he? That 25 yard downfield out to Wingo was open and he couldn’t get the ball there in time. He desperately needs to get his whole body into some of these throws because he is NOT making them. His lower body mechanics are a train wreck that cost him so many downfield completions: when guys are wide open and he can lob it, he’s inaccurate, when it’s a tight window, he can’t find the juice. His short game is elite. If he can truly make all the throws, you tell me why else he’s bottom-tier SEC statistically. 

[Frank Drebin 5652]

4 minutes ago, B00M said:

I feel like you argued my point while calling it crazy. If he can throw hard, when has he? That 25 yard downfield out to Wingo was open and he couldn’t get the ball there in time. He desperately needs to get his whole body into some of these throws because he is NOT making them. His lower body mechanics are a train wreck that cost him so many downfield completions: when guys are wide open and he can lob it, he’s inaccurate, when it’s a tight window, he can’t find the juice. His short game is elite. If he can truly make all the throws, you tell me why else he’s bottom-tier SEC statistically. 

Bottom tier for the entire season or just last weekend?  What PFF stats are you using -- the most recent week's or entire season?  I am guessing the latter.

[mwaadeeb 1199]

1 minute ago, B00M said:

I feel like you argued my point while calling it crazy. If he can throw hard, when has he? That 25 yard downfield out to Wingo was open and he couldn’t get the ball there in time. He desperately needs to get his whole body into some of these throws because he is NOT making them. His lower body mechanics are a train wreck that cost him so many downfield completions: when guys are wide open and he can lob it, he’s inaccurate, when it’s a tight window, he can’t find the juice. His short game is elite. If he can truly make all the throws, you tell me why else he’s bottom-tier SEC statistically. 

It's weird, no doubt. He throws so effortlessly it's hard to see if the ball (by comparison) is getting there fast or not.

[HtownHorn 14640]

13 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Michigan is desperate.  Would be funny if he came back and played at DKR in a Michigan uniform.  

 

I'm going to assume Sark ain't dumb enough to give up three years of Arch for 1 year of Quinn

We don't play Michigan next year. We play at Ohio State and 3 G5 patsies. Michigan doesn't return the trip until 2027 and Ewers isn't getting 3 more years of football.

Edited 4 hours ago by HtownHorn

[B00M 6400]

12 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Bottom tier for the entire season or just last weekend?  What PFF stats are you using -- the most recent week's or entire season?  I am guessing the latter.

The wording is a little odd but these PFF grades are for the season to-date, updated after week 12: (QE is now 13th out of 16)

https://www.louisianasports.net/week-12-pff-sec-qb-rankings/

Even if you want to use QBR, ESPN puts him at 7th out of 15 qualifying SEC QBs. His draft stock has plummeted the last 5 weeks. 

Bad at reading defenses, bad pocket presence, bad lower body mechanics, low release point, injury prone … I guess it’s a wild take to suggest his arm strength is over rated too.

How did he end up with a perfect rating coming out of HS? 

[gurt 747]

59 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Again. You are voicing your own personnel expectations based on what some 9.95ers told you. So if you are upset about his throwing velocity then that is on you. I have never seen him rifle balls and so I don't expect him to. He throws the way he throws.

Also, Beck threw for 347 vs Tenn and looked like a whole new man. Like all those interceptions were behind him right? Wanna know why? Tenn pretty much plays straight bump and run man coverage. No confusing zone schemes. Perfect for a QB who struggles reading defenses but is otherwise a solid passer. Wait til he faces another good zone team.

What is your point even?  That his being billed as elite but is actually mediocre reflects more on the fans than Quinn himself?  I can't even tell what your arguing in this thread other than being against any criticisms of Quinn.

[Thatguy 8654]

2 minutes ago, gurt said:

What is your point even?  That his being billed as elite but is actually mediocre reflects more on the fans than Quinn himself?  I can't even tell what your arguing in this thread other than being against any criticisms of Quinn.

If you don't know what's going on then why are you commenting? Lol

[Hookem10 723]

This thread is a beating. Quinn is who he is. And we’re a good enough TEAM to win it all as long as he and the oline are not melting down.

[Frank Drebin 5652]

It would be nice if he would scramble and slide a couple times a game instead of taking sacks.  And maybe keep on a zone read 1-2 times per game.  He often has a lot of green in front of him.

[mwaadeeb 1199]

3 minutes ago, Hookem10 said:

This thread is a beating. Quinn is who he is. And we’re a good enough TEAM to win it all as long as he and the oline are not melting down.

But who is he?

[Thatguy 8654]

Just now, Hookem10 said:

This thread is a beating. Quinn is who he is. And we’re a good enough TEAM to win it all as long as he and the oline are not melting down.

9-1 and 7 TD passes in the last two games with no picks. Yeah lets bench that guy lol.

[gurt 747]

11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

If you don't know what's going on then why are you commenting? Lol

its a rhetorical device for "you're moving the goalposts"

Edited 3 hours ago by gurt

[Hookem10 723]

8 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

But who is he?

The starting qb for THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS BABY 

[Hookem10 723]

8 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

9-1 and 7 TD passes in the last two games with no picks. Yeah lets bench that guy lol.

I’m not saying Quinn is bad. I’m saying he has strengths and weaknesses like every qb in the ncaa. Play to his strengths and we’re fine. The arguing about it and surly on surly violence is a beating. 

[BabaYaga 15281]

7 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

But who is he?

Inconsistent...

[mwaadeeb 1199]

4 minutes ago, Hookem10 said:

I’m not saying Quinn is bad. I’m saying he has strengths and weaknesses like every qb in the ncaa. Play to his strengths and we’re fine. The arguing about it and surly on surly violence is a beating. 

So you came on the Quinn Ewers thread to say stop talking about Quinn Ewers?

[mwaadeeb 1199]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Inconsistent...

I honestly don't know if he's a rare talent in a slump or an over-rated football weenie.

[Skipper 6116]

Arguing about Quinn's velocity or touch etc. on difficult throws is getting lost in the minor details.  Leave that to the NFL scouts.    We can win or certainly compete against anyone if Quinn isn't playing hesitant and can consistently make the correct reads and hit open short to intermediate routes in the middle of the field and the occasional deep ball (even if still a lower than ideal percentage).  That combined with what we already do in the short passing game should yield enough points to damn near beat anyone.   He absolutely has the ability to do that as we've seen it numerous times over his career.   I think QE's best play against Arkansas was that 3rd and 12 scramble where he zipped a catchable ball into tight coverage.  It was an incompletion but that is what we need to see more of.  He stopped thinking on that play and just played football.  Sark has to figure out how to tap back into that kind of play more consistently for us to have the end to the season we should have.

[BabaYaga 15281]

Just now, mwaadeeb said:

I honestly don't know if he's a rare talent in a slump or an over-rated football weenie.

The more film there is on him, the more D-coordinators have on him to throw him off.  That's why players "regress" often over the years.  They don't get worse, they are just forced to do what they either can't or don't want to do.  That's on his staff to fix and on him to internalize and execute.  

[Thatguy 8654]

Just now, gurt said:

its a rhetorical device for "your moving the goalposts"

No one is moving goal posts. What I am saying is he is just like every other quarterback except that he has a golden arm. So expect him to have flaws and shortcomings. Expect him to need a complimentary running game to play at his peak. That is the case for most QBs.  Expect him to make mistakes.

[BabaYaga 15281]

2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Arguing about Quinn's velocity or touch etc. on difficult throws is getting lost in the minor details.  Leave that to the NFL scouts.    We can win or certainly compete against anyone if Quinn isn't playing hesitant and can consistently make the correct reads and hit open short to intermediate routes in the middle of the field and the occasional deep ball (even if still a lower than ideal percentage).  That combined with what we already do in the short passing game should yield enough points to damn near beat anyone.   He absolutely has the ability to do that as we've seen it numerous times over his career.   I think QE's best play against Arkansas was that 3rd and 12 scramble where he zipped a catchable ball into tight coverage.  It was an incompletion but that is what we need to see more of.  He stopped thinking on that play and just played football.  Sark has to figure out how to tap back into that kind of play more consistently for us to have the end to the season we should have.

USC beat the ags because when plays broke down, their mobile QB made plays out of nothing.  It didn't seem intentional, but the ag defense is so aggressive that they over-pursue, putting themselves out of so many plays.  That led to frustration and penalties later in the game as well.  They're emotional.  If we are not running tons of misdirection and getting players in space on the edges it will be criminal malpractice.  

Just now, Thatguy said:

Expect him to make mistakes.

I'll take new mistakes, but the same one's YOY gets old.  

[Thatguy 8654]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

The more film there is on him, the more D-coordinators have on him to throw him off.  That's why players "regress" often over the years.  They don't get worse, they are just forced to do what they either can't or don't want to do.  That's on his staff to fix and on him to internalize and execute.  

Correct, and when your running game takes a step back expect those D-coordinators to use it to their advantage.

[BabaYaga 15281]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Correct, and when your running game takes a step back expect those D-coordinators to use it to their advantage.

100%

[Hank_Hill 18714]

10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

USC beat the ags because when plays broke down, their mobile QB made plays out of nothing.  It didn't seem intentional, but the ag defense is so aggressive that they over-pursue, putting themselves out of so many plays.  That led to frustration and penalties later in the game as well.  They're emotional.  If we are not running tons of misdirection and getting players in space on the edges it will be criminal malpractice.  

 

But Surly wants no frills inside zone with small backs and throws over the middle 

[B00M 6400]

17 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

9-1 and 7 TD passes in the last two games with no picks. Yeah let’s bench that guy lol.

I understand why Sark didn’t want to bench him and isn’t benching him. I also understand why fans are so frustrated watching him. It was probably unfair to expect him to be better this year than last despite replacing all his receivers and downgrading significantly at RB. But his PFF went from 85.6 last year to 68.0 now, essentially the same as it was when he was a RS freshman (70.9).

We can excuse some of that for sure. We can accept what he is and root for him. But if his PFF was even just the average of his prior seasons (76.8), he’d be top half of the SEC, we would have humiliated OU, Georgia would’ve been a coin-flip, and Vandy, Florida, and Arkansas would’ve all been laughers. This conversation would be very different. He has undeniably been a disappointment in 2024 and he’s running out of time to turn it around. 

[Codaxx 5703]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

But Surly wants no frills inside zone with small backs and throws over the middle 

Really liked the traditional delay screen to Blue that essentially sealed the game for Texas. Based on my viewing that DL is really undisciplined (Turner adds dirty to that). Wouldnt mind seeing that screen and some draws (not sure I can remember running one this year). 

[MrBig 5349]

2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Are we really arguing whether it's harder to throw deep vs 3 safeties over 2 safeties? Lol. Seems self explanatory.

3 safeties, 2 safeties? Does it matter? Quinn has no field vision and does not understand leverage. PI aside, look at this throw. WR has outside leverage and ball should be thrown to the sideline but Quinn throws it inside where the defender can make a play on the ball. This is the same shit he did against Washington.

[Jkwellborn 6679]

Chris Simms did the same thing - had crazy tunnel vision and locked onto receivers. Repeatedly blown out by OU with 0 TDs and 12 INTs and benched in his only big 12 championship game 

I definitely thought it was ironic he said that. Of course, I’d stare down Roy Williams too.

[UTEE97 3506]

4 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

@Thatguy reps Quinn or works for people that do. 

He is Quinn's Bill Little. 

[Derka 6091]

33 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

I definitely thought it was ironic he said that. Of course, I’d stare down Roy Williams too.

 

ETA:

LSU-

HC- Nick Saban

OC- Jimbo Fisher

DC- Will Muschamp

ST- Kirby Smart

 

we dominated the greatest coaching staff in college football history. Roy in particular. i’ll never forget that day.

Edited 1 hour ago by Derka

[HtownHorn 14640]

35 minutes ago, MrBig said:

3 safeties, 2 safeties? Does it matter? Quinn has no field vision and does not understand leverage. PI aside, look at this throw. WR has outside leverage and ball should be thrown to the sideline but Quinn throws it inside where the defender can make a play on the ball. This is the same shit he did against Washington.

Sam thing earlier in the game against Arkansas, where Wingo had outside leverage and Quinn threw it to is inside shoulder to where the DB was able to break up the pass.

[Hookem10 723]

1 hour ago, mwaadeeb said:

So you came on the Quinn Ewers thread to say stop talking about Quinn Ewers?

Take it easy - I was responding to another post cowboy. But I see the funny part of my post lmao

[Jkwellborn 6679]

Let me know when we run 11 personnel or 5 wide all game and not 50% 12 personnel. Get mad at Sark for not spreading it out and taking advantage of one v ones.

This is something that aggravates me. Line up with 4 wide, spread way the fuck out to try and run the ball sometime. Or bring in a couple of extra linemen.

[Hank Kingsley 20895]

"If the time comes, if Quinn cannot pull out of this rollercoaster that he's on, at Kyle Field or any game from there on, I don't think if there's a chance of us losing that they're gonna go down with Quinn. I think we'll see Arch try to save the day. And that's just where we are at this point. We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

- Bob Shipley on OTF show yesterday 

 

I don't know how connected he is within the program anymore, but this is all I'm asking for from Sark and staff. They have to be better prepared and ready to play Arch if bad Quinn shows up. The fact that a sunshine pumper like Shipley is saying it gives me hope. 

 

 

[mwaadeeb 1199]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"If the time comes, if Quinn cannot pull out of this rollercoaster that he's on, at Kyle Field or any game from there on, I don't think if there's a chance of us losing that they're gonna go down with Quinn. I think we'll see Arch try to save the day. And that's just where we are at this point. We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

- Bob Shipley on OTF show yesterday 

 

I don't know how connected he is within the program anymore, but this is all I'm asking for from Sark and staff. They have to be better prepared and ready to play Arch if bad Quinn shows up. The fact that a sunshine pumper like Shipley is saying it gives me hope. 

 

 

Isn't the Georgia game proof of this already?

[immamac 42776]

7 hours ago, Thatguy said:

And this is exactly the example of what I am talking about above. Derka is using the phrase " heisman candidate/no.1 overall pick”, $1M NIL QB". Those are Derka's expectations based on what he was told by some 9.95ers years ago. I knew after 3 games that Jordan Whittington wasn't really a 5 star. Same with Johnathan Gray. If a guy is not overly athletic he can always be gotten to by a good pass rush. The only thing special about Ewers is his arm. He isn't particularly tall to see over the defense. He is pretty slight and isn't going to break arm tackles. He isn't going to juke you and he isn't fast enough to run away from defenders. When you come to that realization you start to see him differently and your expectations adjust accordingly. You stop saying why can't Ewers do A, B, and C that he cannot physically do and you start saying why aren't we giving him A, B, and C so he can do what we know he can do.

 

 

Jordan Whittington looked every bit of 5 star. As did Gray. The fuck are you talking about? 

Whittington was freak injury plagued and when he finally got and stayed healthy he was a fucking monster. 

Gray was fucking incredible. 

Quinn also looks fucking fantastic. You keep going on about this nonsense of comparing Quinn to his lofty external grade/expectations. A lot of people are comparing Quinn to Quinn. That's why so many people are so frustrated. 

Stop fucking defending the guy, there's nothing to defend. He needs to play to his full potential. 

[Hank Kingsley 20895]

2 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Isn't the Georgia game proof of this already?

It was a panic move in the UGA game and I think Sark was a bit blindsided by how bad Quinn was out there. We can't get caught in that situation again.

Whether it means Arch gets a few starter reps in practice moving forward or a more developed contingency plan from the offensive staff, we need to be prepared. 

[mwaadeeb 1199]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Jordan Whittington looked every bit of 5 star. As did Gray. The fuck are you talking about? 

Whittington was freak injury plagued and when he finally got and stayed healthy he was a fucking monster. 

Gray was fucking incredible. 

Quinn also looks fucking fantastic. You keep going on about this nonsense of comparing Quinn to his lofty external grade/expectations. A lot of people are comparing Quinn to Quinn. That's why so many people are so frustrated. 

Stop fucking defending the guy, there's nothing to defend. He needs to play to his full potential. 

lol

[Tortoise 2]

5 hours ago, WinningIsHard said:

I noticed this is your first post, I don't know if you have been lurking here for a while or if you're a BO&W sock but....

Haha, I've been lurking long enough to know what to expect - carry on

[immamac 42776]

5 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

lol

missed the last four games of the 2013 season due to an Achilles injury … named a candidate for the 2014 and 2015 Doak Walker Award … also on the watch list for the 2015 Earl Campbell Tyler Rose Award … a member of the watch list for the 2014 Maxwell Award … began the 2012 season as a reserve, but ended up starting five of the last six games en route to All-Big 12 honors … his 701 rushing yards in 2012 rank No. 9 on the UT freshman single-season list … three-time member of the Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll … a consensus first team All-American

what the actual fuck is wrong with some of you

[jimmyjazz 45808]

Gray's Achilles was pretty incredible.

[Fondren & Main 6684]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Gray's Achilles was pretty incredible.

Whittington dominated the state championship game in HS on defense and offense by himself.  He was absurd in that game and I was very excited about him coming to Texas.

[immamac 42776]

I guess this is a thread for idiots who don't know shit about fuck. 

[mwaadeeb 1199]

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

missed the last four games of the 2013 season due to an Achilles injury … named a candidate for the 2014 and 2015 Doak Walker Award … also on the watch list for the 2015 Earl Campbell Tyler Rose Award … a member of the watch list for the 2014 Maxwell Award … began the 2012 season as a reserve, but ended up starting five of the last six games en route to All-Big 12 honors … his 701 rushing yards in 2012 rank No. 9 on the UT freshman single-season list … three-time member of the Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll … a consensus first team All-American

what the actual fuck is wrong with some of you

He wasn't fucking incredible dude. He was pretty good, had a tough injury. You're stoned.

[dcar00 14117]

3 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Isn't the Georgia game proof of this already?

yes but they didn't stick with Arch.  I think Shipley is saying next time be ready to go to Arch sooner but permanently.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that.

[Farmer Vincent 43]

1 hour ago, MrBig said:

WR has outside leverage and ball should be thrown to the sideline but Quinn throws it inside where the defender can make a play on the ball.

I agree, but If Quinn had that level of ball control I don't think we are having this conversation. It's really kind of wierd. His acuracy on short routes may be better than Arch, but when he goes deep he just throws it up for grabs. 

[Longhornlove 4783]

13 minutes ago, immamac said:

I guess this is a thread for idiots who don't know shit about fuck. 

 

 

And yet here we are. Maybe not stand on a pedestal looking down at us peasants. Not sure why you come in here to berate @Thatguy when there are more deserving imbeciles. Whatever, your place, do as you wish my lord.