QB1 Quinn "La Joya" Ewers - The Man The Myth The Mullet

[Jkwellborn 6682]

The wording is a little odd but these PFF grades are for the season to-date, updated after week 12: (QE is now 13th out of 16)
https://www.louisianasports.net/week-12-pff-sec-qb-rankings/
Even if you want to use QBR, ESPN puts him at 7th out of 15 qualifying SEC QBs. His draft stock has plummeted the last 5 weeks. 
Bad at reading defenses, bad pocket presence, bad lower body mechanics, low release point, injury prone … I guess it’s a wild take to suggest his arm strength is over rated too.
How did he end up with a perfect rating coming out of HS? 

Evidently by being hurt most of the year and leaving early the next.

[Jkwellborn 6682]

It would be nice if he would scramble and slide a couple times a game instead of taking sacks.  And maybe keep on a zone read 1-2 times per game.  He often has a lot of green in front of him.

If he would just do that early, it would open up a lot.

[immamac 42786]

3 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

 

 

And yet here we are. Maybe not stand on a pedestal looking down at us peasants. Not sure why you come in here to berate @Thatguy when there are more deserving imbeciles. Whatever, your place, do as you wish my lord.

Because I'm tired of these circular arguments when there's plenty of other shit to discuss and hypothesize

[Jkwellborn 6682]

yes but they didn't stick with Arch.  I think Shipley is saying next time be ready to go to Arch sooner but permanently.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that.

If Quinn gets replaced for the same thing as he did against uga, there’s no way you make the swap back at any point other than injury.

[BurntEyes 5929]

56 minutes ago, immamac said:

Jordan Whittington looked every bit of 5 star. As did Gray. The fuck are you talking about? 

Whittington was freak injury plagued and when he finally got and stayed healthy he was a fucking monster. 

Gray was fucking incredible. 

Quinn also looks fucking fantastic. You keep going on about this nonsense of comparing Quinn to his lofty external grade/expectations. A lot of people are comparing Quinn to Quinn. That's why so many people are so frustrated. 

Stop fucking defending the guy, there's nothing to defend. He needs to play to his full potential. 

I'm absolutely certain @Thatguy reps Quinn or is associated with those that do. He's grasping at any straw with his Quinn PR spin. It's working on some folks here, but some see the reality. Marketing spin. Spent too long in that world not to recognize it when I see it.

Edited 5 hours ago by BurntEyes

[MrBig 5353]

1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm absolutely certain @Thatguy reps Quinn or is associated with those that do. Hes grasping at any straw with his Quinn PR spin. Its working on some folks here, but some see it for exactly what it accually is in reality. Marketing spin. Spent too long in that world not to recognize it when I see it.

I figured it was true when after the Washington game he was blaming Quinn’s shitty throw on AD’s route running. Like what? Even if that was true, a guy running a shitty route doesn’t make the QB air the ball nearly out of bounds. 

[Hank_Hill 18745]

23 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm absolutely certain @Thatguy reps Quinn or is associated with those that do. He's grasping at any straw with his Quinn PR spin. It's working on some folks here, but some see the reality. Marketing spin. Spent too long in that world not to recognize it when I see it.

Lol take off the tinfoil dude. Nobody associated with Quinns camp is coming to Surly horns to argue with mentally challenged people as part of their job.

Edited 4 hours ago by Hank_Hill

[Jkwellborn 6682]

Lol take off the tinfoil dude. Nobody associated with Quinns camp is coming to Surly horns to argue with mentally challenged people as part of their job.

I resemble that remark.

[BurntEyes 5929]

12 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I figured it was true when after the Washington game he was blaming Quinn’s shitty throw on AD’s route running. Like what? Even if that was true, a guy running a shitty route doesn’t make the QB air the ball nearly out of bounds. 

Now go look at his post count and where they are located. 

Sure some people lean towards on area or another, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen him post anywhere outside of Quinn specific threads/area. Not in aggie thread. Not in CR, lulz, not anywhere. And I'll wager nearly 100% of them are, in various forms or another, defending Quinn.

[BurntEyes 5929]

13 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Lol take off the tinfoil dude. Nobody associated with Quinns camp is coming to Surly horns to argue with mentally challenged people as part of their job.

You don't think social media managers of multi-million dollar clients don't post on the most popular board/social media/wherever on a specific topic concerning their clients? 

You don't think different areas of social media/support are carefully monitored by the staff of those clients?

Do as I suggested above in my post. See where he posts, frequency, topics and tone.

Get back to me about my paranoia after that point.

 

[Hank_Hill 18745]

3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Now go look at his post count and where they are located. 

Sure some people lean towards on area or another, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen him post anywhere outside of Quinn specific threads/area. Not in aggie thread. Not in CR, lulz, not anywhere. And I'll wager nearly 100% of them are, in various forms or another, defending Quinn.

You are incorrect and also need help. 

[Longhornlove 4791]

11 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm pretty sure I've never seen him post anywhere outside of Quinn specific threads/area

He has broken down film in other threads for years.

[Longhornlove 4791]

You can't wish something true. Has nearly everyone gone insane?

[MrBig 5353]

18 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Now go look at his post count and where they are located. 

Sure some people lean towards on area or another, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen him post anywhere outside of Quinn specific threads/area. Not in aggie thread. Not in CR, lulz, not anywhere. And I'll wager nearly 100% of them are, in various forms or another, defending Quinn.

I’ve seen him post other places. I just figured he was either Nash or CJ pumping up Quinn here on behalf of Texas/Sark.

[Hank_Hill 18745]

Y’all are special.

[Vegas64 673]

On 11/18/2024 at 9:31 AM, jimmyjazz said:

Oh, now they were SEVEN yards overthrown!  

Learn how to count yards, dude.

Dude I was being obviously hyperbolic. The point was that his "overthrows" last year and if it was a bad pass to Worthy against Bama, then those are downright "dots" compared to his obvious poor accuracy and bad long balls this year.

[GringoSalado 1651]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

Because I'm tired of these circular arguments when there's plenty of other shit to discuss and hypothesize

These circular arguments run this website, but I get the love/hate. I'm here too.

[immamac 42786]

1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

You can't wish something true. Has nearly everyone gone insane?

Yes. Covid broke everyone  

[Both Tacos 1806]

I guess this is a thread for idiots who don't know shit about fuck. 

This thread? Come on Clark, this entire forum is full of them.

[Tex Long 4376]

Quite a few quotes of Shipley with  "We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

Not entirely correct. We can afford to lose the CCG and would still be in the 5-12 bracket.

Losing to UK or aggy likely keeps us out of the CCG, and might shove us out of 5-12 as well.

At this point we have at least three games left. Whether the third one is the CCG, a first-round homer, or a Toilet Bowl remains to be seen. If we keep winning, we have the three and another three in the playoffs. Could be a lotta games left, and they're just gonna keep getting tougher. 

[I Plead Da Fif 261]

4 hours ago, Derka said:

 

ETA:

LSU-

HC- Nick Saban

OC- Jimbo Fisher

DC- Will Muschamp

ST- Kirby Smart

 

we dominated the greatest coaching staff in college football history. Roy in particular. i’ll never forget that day.

Was at that game with my dad. I remember seeing the teams get off the bus and teenaged me mouthed “fuck you” to Nick when we (at least I thought) locked eyes for a brief second haha. Was a great day and great game to be at.

[Irish Wrist Watch 1359]

3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"If the time comes, if Quinn cannot pull out of this rollercoaster that he's on, at Kyle Field or any game from there on, I don't think if there's a chance of us losing that they're gonna go down with Quinn. I think we'll see Arch try to save the day. And that's just where we are at this point. We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

- Bob Shipley on OTF show yesterday 

 

I don't know how connected he is within the program anymore, but this is all I'm asking for from Sark and staff. They have to be better prepared and ready to play Arch if bad Quinn shows up. The fact that a sunshine pumper like Shipley is saying it gives me hope. 

 

 

Here's the rub in the "bring in Arch" scenario: Let's say Quinn plays against Ky like he did against Ark. We win but it ain't pretty.

Then the big test. it's against the Ags. Our amazing D keeps the game close. Quinn makes a few good plays and enough bad plays that he just can't get us the lead. Too many mistakes, too few bright spots. The biggest mistakes are Quinn's. Down by ten at the half. Do you pull him then? Middle of the third quarter, we get the ball back, down by ten. Is that too soon to pull Ewers? 

Conventional thinking would be that he's the experienced one and  just needs one good drive and we are back on track. OTOH, we should be up by twenty and we know it. OTOH, you can't wait until it's "do or die" to get Arch out there and get him into the rhythm of the game. Even the middle of the third might be too late. I say make the switch at halftime. It's time to shit or get off the pot.

Sark needs to get Arch more snaps in practice, even if it means putting more pressure on Ewers to get his act together. Maybe that's what the team needs, because the pressure is gonna come one way or the other.

Best case scenario, Quinn kicks ass against Kentucky, and takes off.

Next best scenario, Quinn melts down against Kentucky and Arch comes in and begins his meteoric rise into a Hall of Fame career. Destroys the Ags. Wins the SEC and goes deep into the playoffs.

[Hank Kingsley 20900]

2 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Best case scenario, Quinn kicks ass against Kentucky, and takes off.

Next best scenario, Quinn melts down against Kentucky and Arch comes in and begins his meteoric rise into a Hall of Fame career. Destroys the Ags. Wins the SEC and goes deep into the playoffs.

Obviously getting the win vs. Kentucky is the first priority. But I actually hope the Kentucky defense brings their A game. We need another real test for Quinn, whether it exposes his issues or he overcomes them. I hope he plays well and it builds confidence heading into the A&M game. 

 

[hobbes2702 13012]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Now go look at his post count and where they are located. 

Sure some people lean towards on area or another, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen him post anywhere outside of Quinn specific threads/area. Not in aggie thread. Not in CR, lulz, not anywhere. And I'll wager nearly 100% of them are, in various forms or another, defending Quinn.

He posts in CR all the time. 

[markstanco 12561]

Where is @NowThis when you need him. 

[Hank_Hill 18745]

20 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

He posts in CR all the time. 

Even more evidence that he’s an industry plant since 2018 

[dr99 557]

 

 

[B00M 6404]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

Quite a few quotes of Shipley with  "We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

Not entirely correct. We can afford to lose the CCG and would still be in the 5-12 bracket.

 

Best win would be aggy. Not sure how much respect that will garner 

[Hank_Hill 18745]

9 minutes ago, dr99 said:

 

 

Nice try @Thatguy

[Hank_Hill 18745]

7 minutes ago, B00M said:

Best win would be aggy. Not sure how much respect that will garner 

We are absolutely in if we win the next 2. Arguably a chance even if we lose to A&M. 

[Red Five 40775]

20 minutes ago, dr99 said:

 

 

[Gandalfish 342]

3 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

I resemble that remark.

[Thatguy 8661]

4 hours ago, immamac said:

Jordan Whittington looked every bit of 5 star. As did Gray. The fuck are you talking about? 

Whittington was freak injury plagued and when he finally got and stayed healthy he was a fucking monster. 

Gray was fucking incredible. 

Quinn also looks fucking fantastic. You keep going on about this nonsense of comparing Quinn to his lofty external grade/expectations. A lot of people are comparing Quinn to Quinn. That's why so many people are so frustrated. 

Stop fucking defending the guy, there's nothing to defend. He needs to play to his full potential. 

Jordan Whittington, and we all loved him, was special because of his effort level. He was way more developed than most kids which made him special in high school but once you get to college you are just one of the guys. He still had his effort and that carried him through but let's not act like he was uber gifted physically outside of his efforts in the weight room.

I am going to say this one time and one time only. Quinn Ewers was ranked higher than Vincent Paul Young Jr, the most incredible high school or college player most of us has ever seen. He was ranked higher than Vick. He was ranked higher than Lamar Jackson. He was ranked higher than Mahomes. It didn't take a genius to see the only thing special about Ewers is his arm and that HE WAS NOT a perfect recruit like they said he was. As soon as any of us saw him we should've readjusted our expectations. What makes him special is his ability to make multi-platform throws and his arm strength. Outside of that he is below average. Below average height, size, feet, quickness, agility, and speed. So why are we expecting him to do things he can't? That's like getting pissed that Blue can't run between the tackles. Pocket passers with below average athletic ability have to be kept clean at all costs. It's as simple as that. And just because they have a strong arm doesn't mean they are going to be able to stand in the pocket, perfectly diagnose a defense, and make every throw perfectly. I accepted that a long time ago and adjusted my expectations.

Anyone who thinks Ewers is going to be any different than any other pocket passer outside the ability to reach areas of the field others can't is going to be mad every week that Texas is playing. I challenge anyone here to name me 10 non-running college pocket passers that didn't have strong running games and didn't have a bunch of wtf games.

 

[Thatguy 8661]

3 hours ago, MrBig said:

I figured it was true when after the Washington game he was blaming Quinn’s shitty throw on AD’s route running. Like what? Even if that was true, a guy running a shitty route doesn’t make the QB air the ball nearly out of bounds. 

You have a 6'5 receiver running a fade in the end zone vs a 5'10 DB. Where do you throw the ball Big? Where is every single QB in America taught to throw the ball in that scenario?

[MrBig 5353]

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You have a 6'5 receiver running a fade in the end zone vs a 5'10 DB. Where do you throw the ball Big? Where is every single QB in America taught to throw the ball in that scenario?

To the MF pylon for the win! Look how far behind AD the defender was. The other guy inside the 10 has no chance of jumping the route if he throws a laser. The horizontal stance after the throw too. We fucking had this game. 

[mwaadeeb 1203]

I think "idiots calling other people idiots" would be a good surly motto.

[OU Sucks 8787]

51 minutes ago, dr99 said:

 

 

Why did he leave off Dart? Was it because he threw for 39 fewer yards than those three QBs combined?

Edited 56 minutes ago by OU Sucks

[scottsins 1963]

It would be nice if he would scramble and slide a couple times a game instead of taking sacks.  And maybe keep on a zone read 1-2 times per game.  He often has a lot of green in front of him.

How many zone read plays are we running per game?

[Murfdogg21 4412]

44 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

We are absolutely in if we win the next 2. Arguably a chance even if we lose to A&M. 

[Atticus 3964]

26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You have a 6'5 receiver running a fade in the end zone vs a 5'10 DB. Where do you throw the ball Big? Where is every single QB in America taught to throw the ball in that scenario?

Who is the 6'5 receiver?

[Thatguy 8661]

Just now, MrBig said:

To the MF pylon for the win! Look how far behind AD the defender was. The other guy inside the 10 has no chance of jumping the route if he throws a laser. The horizontal stance after the throw too. We fucking had this game. 

Every QB is taught to throw that ball high to take advantage of the mismatch(6'5 vs 5'10) which is exactly why we chose AD to go to. The ball is out before the receiver break. At that point you are expecting your receiver to put his cleats in the ground for separation, come back, and high point the football on the sideline. You aren't expecting him to round off his route and not jump. Even the DB knows what we are trying to do which is why he is ready to jump and bat the ball down.

[gurt 747]

Jordan Whittington, and we all loved him, was special because of his effort level. He was way more developed than most kids which made him special in high school but once you get to college you are just one of the guys. He still had his effort and that carried him through but let's not act like he was uber gifted physically outside of his efforts in the weight room.
I am going to say this one time and one time only. Quinn Ewers was ranked higher than Vincent Paul Young Jr, the most incredible high school or college player most of us has ever seen. He was ranked higher than Vick. He was ranked higher than Lamar Jackson. He was ranked higher than Mahomes. It didn't take a genius to see the only thing special about Ewers is his arm and that HE WAS NOT a perfect recruit like they said he was. As soon as any of us saw him we should've readjusted our expectations. What makes him special is his ability to make multi-platform throws and his arm strength. Outside of that he is below average. Below average height, size, feet, quickness, agility, and speed. So why are we expecting him to do things he can't? That's like getting pissed that Blue can't run between the tackles. Pocket passers with below average athletic ability have to be kept clean at all costs. It's as simple as that. And just because they have a strong arm doesn't mean they are going to be able to stand in the pocket, perfectly diagnose a defense, and make every throw perfectly. I accepted that a long time ago and adjusted my expectations.
Anyone who thinks Ewers is going to be any different than any other pocket passer outside the ability to reach areas of the field others can't is going to be mad every week that Texas is playing. I challenge anyone here to name me 10 non-running college pocket passers that didn't have strong running games and didn't have a bunch of wtf games.
 

So you’re saying that we shouldn’t expect a QB to get better over the course of his career? What they’re good and bad at as a freshman is set in stone?

[Atticus 3964]

That matchup is 6'2 (AD) vs 6'1 Elijah Jackson

[scottsins 1963]

Deleted

[Thatguy 8661]

 

 

Just now, Atticus said:

That matchup is 6'2 (AD) vs 6'1 Elijah Jackson

It's like you never played sports. Go look at Mitchell's listed height here at Texas, and Jackson isn't 6'1 either(hasn't been to the combine yet). Regardless, even on video there is a significant height difference.

[scottsins 1963]

Every QB is taught to throw that ball high to take advantage of the mismatch(6'5 vs 5'10) which is exactly why we chose AD to go to. The ball is out before the receiver break. At that point you are expecting your receiver to put his cleats in the ground for separation, come back, and high point the football on the sideline. You aren't expecting him to round off his route and not jump. Even the DB knows what we are trying to do which is why he is ready to jump and bat the ball down.

I would only add to this post that the DB’s jump and AD’s failure to jump was in large part due to the db placing both hands on his shoulders, holding him down and using him as a launch pad.

[hobbes2702 13012]

2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

It's like you never played sports. Go look at Mitchell's listed height here at Texas, and Jackson isn't 6'1 either(hasn't been to the combine yet). Regardless, even on video there is a significant height difference.

That throw fucking sucked regardless of these mental gymnastics.

It’s also pretty stark the way you talk about Quinn now vs last year and the year before. Now it’s all about how he was overrated as a recruit whereas the last two years it was blame X, AD, JT, etc. 

[HtownHorn 14651]

1 hour ago, dr99 said:

This is so fucking stupid. He's comparing a QB in his 3rd full season at starter to 3 1st year starters. He's a fucking idoit, and doesn't even realize his comparison is not a compliment to Ewers. Truly embarrassing.

Edited 27 minutes ago by HtownHorn

[Atticus 3964]

4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

It's like you never played sports. Go look at Mitchell's listed height here at Texas, and Jackson isn't 6'1 either(hasn't been to the combine yet). Regardless, even on video there is a significant height difference.

So you mention AD's inflated college height of 6'4, then exaggerate it, only to take Jackson's college height of 6'1 and severely diminish it.

You're better than that man. At best, there's a 2.5 inch difference there. Not the 7 inch one you fabricated to make your point.

[HtownHorn 14651]

32 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Why did he leave off Dart? Was it because he threw for 39 fewer yards than those three QBs combined?

Dart would be the more apt comparison, both are multi-year starters.